Aerobic Power and aging

On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:10:31 +0100, in
><ccde245vpfe27j0mu03k0uo124uts1dkln@4ax.com> Trinkwasser
><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:27:20 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
>><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:22:05 -0700, in
>>><Dr6dnT_iq8bqC7nVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@softcom.net > "Cheri"
>>><gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>bj wrote in message ...
>>>>>"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>news:qk2924lla36uifpfaih9areujdhaltc5ho@4ax.c om...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only abuser I know I met was not technically a pedophile as he
>>>>>> only abused one of his daughters.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's a minimum # of abuse victims before you can be called a
>>>>pedophile???
>>>>>bj
>>>>
>>>>?????? good question. :-(
>>>
>>>Yeah, I'm like WHAAAT? He's a rapist. He committed incest. He is a pedophile.
>>>And, how is it that you KNOW he only abused once? Most are multiple abusers.
>>>
>>>Folks, I'm lost. ??
>>
>>AFAIK he had no actual sexual interest in other chlidren, not his
>>other daughter either, it was a control freak thing.
>
>Pedophiles & rapists don't have sexual interest in the way that you do. It is
>VERY often an issue of power. They may or may not get sexual gratification
>from resolving that need to release the urge to have power over someone else.
>
>You seem to be presuming that this guy you knew was being truthful with you.
>Why?

No no, I knew nothing about this while he was still alive, no-one did,
she never told anyone.

At first glance he was an affable hail-fellow-well-met kinda guy, when
you knew him better he was somewhat of a control freak and obsessed
with image over substance. The rest of the story never came out until
after his death. *Then* other people could understand things about him
they'd only half realised.

>And, you also seem to be letting him off the hook because his wrong actions
>toward one daughter came out of a motive for control, which is a common motive
>for pedophiles & rapists.

No I'm NOT letting genuine pedophiles and rapists off the hook, just
getting annoyed at the meeja assumptions which lead to the guilty
until proved innocent frame of mind, which is EXACTLY what stops the
real deal from being caught while innocent folks are persecuted.

>>the witches, er I mean pedophiles, portrayed in the media are usually
>>serial offenders.
>
>You'll note that I said above that most are multiple abusers.
>
>There's no witch hunt for pedophiles on in the USA.

You obviously have some major differences in your society vs. ours,
for example you have ten times the population density of psychopaths.
We actually have very few serial pedophiles, much of what *actually*
occurs here is interfamilial. Pedophiles do NOT lurk on every street
corner and are a vanishingly small threat compared to the media scare
stories which have resulted in pediatricians being firebombed (yes
really, dyslexic vigilantes), people with similar names or appearances
to known pedophiles being hospitalised, and simultaneously *actual*
offenders being serially let off by the Police who were too busy
investigating non-offenders.

>There are people who have that kind of witch hunt mentality, in the USA,
>against Wiccans, atheists, gays & lesbians, bisexuals, hedonists, etc.

Yes that's my point, once guilty until proved innocent becomes
accepted who will be the next target group?

On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:39:35 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:


The
>only abuser I know I met was not technically a pedophile as he only
>abused one of his daughters.





molest one child and the perp is in fact a pedophile.

There is no gray area on that one.

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On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:10:31 +0100, Trinkwasser
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>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:27:20 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:22:05 -0700, in
>><Dr6dnT_iq8bqC7nVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@softcom.net> "Cheri"
>><gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>
>>>bj wrote in message ...
>>>>"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:qk2924lla36uifpfaih9areujdhaltc5ho@4ax.co m...
>>>>>
>>>>> The only abuser I know I met was not technically a pedophile as he
>>>>> only abused one of his daughters.
>>>>
>>>>There's a minimum # of abuse victims before you can be called a
>>>pedophile???
>>>>bj
>>>
>>>?????? good question. :-(
>>
>>Yeah, I'm like WHAAAT? He's a rapist. He committed incest. He is a pedophile.
>>And, how is it that you KNOW he only abused once? Most are multiple abusers.
>>
>>Folks, I'm lost. ??
>
>AFAIK he had no actual sexual interest in other chlidren, not his
>other daughter either, it was a control freak thing.
>
>

no shit, imagine that, a sex crime is about power and control, who
would have ever figured that one out? oh wait, every sane adult for
the past 100 years and more.

sex crimes are always about power and control.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:18:07 +0100, Trinkwasser
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>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:31:21 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>What bigots?
>
>Witchunts catch witches not perpetrators.
>
>In my lifetime the current witches have been homosexuals, Teddy boys,
>dope smoking hippies, single mothers and currently pedophiles and
>Polish immigrants.
>
>In another 50 years homosexuality will be illegal again, one thing on
>which your Taliban and the Islamic one agree. This will be to protect
>your chilldrunnuh from eeeviluh.
>
>Meanwhile parents and disreputable uncles (of which I used to be one)
>will come under increasing suspicion, real pedophiles will continue to
>do what they do, and infinitely more children will be killed and
>maimed by motor vehicles and their fellow children, Is there anything
>wrong with this picture?


yea, it's all bullshit.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:45:22 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>No I'm NOT letting genuine pedophiles and rapists off the hook, just
>getting annoyed at the meeja assumptions which lead to the guilty
>until proved innocent frame of mind, which is EXACTLY what stops the
>real deal from being caught while innocent folks are persecuted.


an adult who has sex in any form with even 1 child is a pedophile and
deserve to be locked away forever.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

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and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
> ><ccde245vpfe27j0mu03k0uo124uts1dkln@4ax.com> Trinkwasser
> >>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:27:20 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
> >>><Dr6dnT_iq8bqC7nVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@softcom.net > "Cheri"
> >>>>bj wrote in message ...
> >>>>>"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>> [ . . . ]
> >There are people who have that kind of witch hunt mentality, in the USA,
> >against Wiccans, atheists, gays & lesbians, bisexuals, hedonists, etc.
>
> Yes that's my point, once guilty until proved innocent becomes
> accepted who will be the next target group?

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

"Als sie die Kommunisten geholt haben, habe ich geschwiegen.
- denn ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialisten und Gewerkschafter geholt haben, habe ich
geschwiegen. - denn ich war ja keins von beiden.
Als sie die Juden geholt haben, habe ich geschwiegen.
- denn ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich geholt haben, hat es niemanden mehr gegeben, der protestieren
konnte."

Pastor Martin Niemöller, imprisoned in 1937 by the Nazis, eventually at
Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps.

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On 13 May 2008 07:13:04 GMT, in <20080513031308.906$vd@newsreader.com> Nick
Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:

>Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> ><ccde245vpfe27j0mu03k0uo124uts1dkln@4ax.com> Trinkwasser
>> >>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:27:20 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> >>><Dr6dnT_iq8bqC7nVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@softcom.net > "Cheri"
>> >>>>bj wrote in message ...
>> >>>>>"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>>>>> [ . . . ]
>> >There are people who have that kind of witch hunt mentality, in the USA,
>> >against Wiccans, atheists, gays & lesbians, bisexuals, hedonists, etc.
>>
>> Yes that's my point, once guilty until proved innocent becomes
>> accepted who will be the next target group?
>
>"When the Nazis came for the communists,
>I remained silent;
>I was not a communist.
>
>When they locked up the social democrats,
>I remained silent;
>I was not a social democrat.
>
>When they came for the trade unionists,
>I did not speak out;
>I was not a trade unionist.
>
>When they came for the Jews,
>I remained silent;
>I wasn't a Jew.
>
>When they came for me,
>there was no one left to speak out."
>
>"Als sie die Kommunisten geholt haben, habe ich geschwiegen.
>- denn ich war ja kein Kommunist.
>Als sie die Sozialisten und Gewerkschafter geholt haben, habe ich
>geschwiegen. - denn ich war ja keins von beiden.
>Als sie die Juden geholt haben, habe ich geschwiegen.
>- denn ich war ja kein Jude.
>Als sie mich geholt haben, hat es niemanden mehr gegeben, der protestieren
>konnte."
>
>Pastor Martin Niemöller, imprisoned in 1937 by the Nazis, eventually at
>Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps.

I believe that, and of course I have it in my quote files. But, it has NOTHING
to do with pedophilia.

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:45:22 +0100, in
<4kvg24123chisi0rdfusvntn8edacqb0t9@4ax.com> Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:29:34 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:10:31 +0100, in
>><ccde245vpfe27j0mu03k0uo124uts1dkln@4ax.com> Trinkwasser
>><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 10 May 2008 06:27:20 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
>>><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 9 May 2008 11:22:05 -0700, in
>>>><Dr6dnT_iq8bqC7nVnZ2dnUVZ_ozinZ2d@softcom.ne t> "Cheri"
>>>><gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>bj wrote in message ...
>>>>>>"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:qk2924lla36uifpfaih9areujdhaltc5ho@4ax. com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only abuser I know I met was not technically a pedophile as he
>>>>>>> only abused one of his daughters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There's a minimum # of abuse victims before you can be called a
>>>>>pedophile???
>>>>>>bj
>>>>>
>>>>>?????? good question. :-(
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, I'm like WHAAAT? He's a rapist. He committed incest. He is a pedophile.
>>>>And, how is it that you KNOW he only abused once? Most are multiple abusers.
>>>>
>>>>Folks, I'm lost. ??
>>>
>>>AFAIK he had no actual sexual interest in other chlidren, not his
>>>other daughter either, it was a control freak thing.
>>
>>Pedophiles & rapists don't have sexual interest in the way that you do. It is
>>VERY often an issue of power. They may or may not get sexual gratification
>>from resolving that need to release the urge to have power over someone else.
>>
>>You seem to be presuming that this guy you knew was being truthful with you.
>>Why?
>
>No no, I knew nothing about this while he was still alive, no-one did,
>she never told anyone.
>
>At first glance he was an affable hail-fellow-well-met kinda guy, when
>you knew him better he was somewhat of a control freak and obsessed
>with image over substance. The rest of the story never came out until
>after his death. *Then* other people could understand things about him
>they'd only half realised.

So, you don't really know if he had any other victims or not. Not that more
than one is required!

>>And, you also seem to be letting him off the hook because his wrong actions
>>toward one daughter came out of a motive for control, which is a common motive
>>for pedophiles & rapists.
>
>No I'm NOT letting genuine pedophiles and rapists off the hook, just
>getting annoyed at the meeja assumptions which lead to the guilty
>until proved innocent frame of mind, which is EXACTLY what stops the
>real deal from being caught while innocent folks are persecuted.

In the USA the media is doing no such thing. And, believe me that is not what
keeps perpetrators from being caught!

Certainly when there are cases of false accusation, of all kinds for any
reasons, they are terrible, but they are statistically not even a fraction of
the numbers of unreported cases of rape & pedophilia.

>>>the witches, er I mean pedophiles, portrayed in the media are usually
>>>serial offenders.
>>
>>You'll note that I said above that most are multiple abusers.
>>
>>There's no witch hunt for pedophiles on in the USA.
>
>You obviously have some major differences in your society vs. ours,
>for example you have ten times the population density of psychopaths.
>We actually have very few serial pedophiles, much of what *actually*
>occurs here is interfamilial. Pedophiles do NOT lurk on every street
>corner and are a vanishingly small threat compared to the media scare
>stories which have resulted in pediatricians being firebombed (yes
>really, dyslexic vigilantes), people with similar names or appearances
>to known pedophiles being hospitalised, and simultaneously *actual*
>offenders being serially let off by the Police who were too busy
>investigating non-offenders.

I'm talking about in the USA, oh, and in other countries of the world, too.
But, know that it doesn't make it okay that it is interfamlial. There are
incredible statistic world wide on pedophilia, rape, child pornography where
the adults involved are either family or someone the children know 'as if'
family.

>>There are people who have that kind of witch hunt mentality, in the USA,
>>against Wiccans, atheists, gays & lesbians, bisexuals, hedonists, etc.
>
>Yes that's my point, once guilty until proved innocent becomes
>accepted who will be the next target group?

No, that can't be your point because those people are not guilty of anything &
the people with the witch hunt mentality are the fringe crazies, who can only
act out their hatred by breaking some law.

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