That was awesome!

I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
each.

Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
does for FBG!

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:65o6fdF2grc6lU3@mid.individual.net...
> I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
> miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
> each.
>
> Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
> Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
> does for FBG!

By the end of April, unless I get hit by a car, I'll have done 20,000
kilometres (12,500 miles?) of bicycle commuting since 2005. Not bad for a 60
year "old fart".... It is good for managing bg (depending on when you ride)
as well as excellent for cardio. Extra benefit is psychological.

Henry Mydlarz.

"hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>
> > I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
> > miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
> > each.
> >
> > Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
> > Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
> > does for FBG!
>
> By the end of April, unless I get hit by a car, I'll have done 20,000
> kilometres (12,500 miles?) of bicycle commuting since 2005. Not bad for a
> 60 year "old fart".... It is good for managing bg (depending on when you
> ride) as well as excellent for cardio. Extra benefit is psychological.

Wonderful "ray"! Have you ridden down to Jenny Lake, as well? I used to
stay at the Climbers' Camp (old CCC Camp), back in the 50's and 60's.

--
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forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

ray wrote:
> I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
> miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
> each.
>
> Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
> Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
> does for FBG!

If you have been hungrier, your FBG will be more optimal between 70-90
mg/dl.

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as the Son of Man ...

.... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

.... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:12:18 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:

> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did
>> > 10 miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week
>> > 5-8miles each.
>> >
>> > Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
>> > Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what
>> > that does for FBG!
>>
>> By the end of April, unless I get hit by a car, I'll have done 20,000
>> kilometres (12,500 miles?) of bicycle commuting since 2005. Not bad for
>> a 60 year "old fart".... It is good for managing bg (depending on when
>> you ride) as well as excellent for cardio. Extra benefit is
>> psychological.
>
> Wonderful "ray"! Have you ridden down to Jenny Lake, as well? I used to
> stay at the Climbers' Camp (old CCC Camp), back in the 50's and 60's.

This was the first time I've been there with snow on the ground - about
four feet over most of the area, but the roads are clean. I stopped at the
main rest area on the JL loop, and it had been plowed before the last snow
- about 6" there - up to the edge of the area where there was around five
feet. JL is still quite frozen - a large white expanse - it could just as
well be a meadow from what you can see.

hemyd <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:65o6fdF2grc6lU3@mid.individual.net...
>> I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
>> miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
>> each.
>>
>> Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
>> Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
>> does for FBG!

> By the end of April, unless I get hit by a car, I'll have done 20,000
> kilometres (12,500 miles?) of bicycle commuting since 2005. Not bad for a 60
> year "old fart".... It is good for managing bg (depending on when you ride)
> as well as excellent for cardio. Extra benefit is psychological.

Excellent! By the time I got diagnosed four years ago I'd let myself
get pretty unfit, and I'd dropped down to a few hundred miles a year
on a bicycle. I'm now working my way back up to around 1,000 a year
just by doing more of my local (<6 mile) travelling by bike. I suspect
now I'm retired (no commuting to the orifice) 1,000 miles is about
half of my annual <6 mile journeys. I'm an old fart of 65 :-)

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On 5 Apr 2008 02:29:01 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
>miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
>each.
>
>Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
>Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
>does for FBG!

Well done Ray,

Thank you for your enthusiasm endorsement of cycling. I'm sure it
will encourage others. We live in an age where many people have
retired from the outside world. I find it kind of sad that for a
variety of reasons so many people no longer get to enjoy the outdoor
world.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:36:54 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On 5 Apr 2008 02:29:01 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>>I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
>>miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
>>each.
>>
>>Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
>>Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
>>does for FBG!
>
>Well done Ray,
>
>Thank you for your enthusiasm endorsement of cycling. I'm sure it
>will encourage others. We live in an age where many people have
>retired from the outside world. I find it kind of sad that for a
>variety of reasons so many people no longer get to enjoy the outdoor
>world.

The worst is when they drive to the gym to work out on an exercise
bike

Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:36:54 +1200, Quentin Grady
: <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

: >On 5 Apr 2008 02:29:01 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
: >
: >>I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
: >>miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
: >>each.
: >>
: >>Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
: >>Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
: >>does for FBG!
: >
: >Well done Ray,
: >
: >Thank you for your enthusiasm endorsement of cycling. I'm sure it
: >will encourage others. We live in an age where many people have
: >retired from the outside world. I find it kind of sad that for a
: >variety of reasons so many people no longer get to enjoy the outdoor
: >world.

: The worst is when they drive to the gym to work out on an exercise
: bike

THis starts early arond here. I see little kids in strollers beign taken
to the kiddy exercise programs. Why not just take a longer time getting
around a few times a day with the kid outside the stroller walking and
exploring a bit. Bring the stroller, go tothe market and use the stroller
to carry the groceries home. Cheaper than a kiddy gym for 2 year olds.

Wendy

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:36:54 +1200, Quentin Grady
>: <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>: >On 5 Apr 2008 02:29:01 GMT, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>: >
>: >>I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
>: >>miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
>: >>each.
>: >>
>: >>Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
>: >>Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
>: >>does for FBG!
>: >
>: >Well done Ray,
>: >
>: >Thank you for your enthusiasm endorsement of cycling. I'm sure it
>: >will encourage others. We live in an age where many people have
>: >retired from the outside world. I find it kind of sad that for a
>: >variety of reasons so many people no longer get to enjoy the outdoor
>: >world.
>
>: The worst is when they drive to the gym to work out on an exercise
>: bike
>
>THis starts early arond here. I see little kids in strollers beign taken
>to the kiddy exercise programs. Why not just take a longer time getting
>around a few times a day with the kid outside the stroller walking and
>exploring a bit. Bring the stroller, go tothe market and use the stroller
>to carry the groceries home. Cheaper than a kiddy gym for 2 year olds.

<shudders>

Do they have motorised strollers yet?

If not, they will

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>THis starts early arond here. I see little kids in strollers beign taken
>to the kiddy exercise programs. Why not just take a longer time getting
>around a few times a day with the kid outside the stroller walking and
>exploring a bit. Bring the stroller, go tothe market and use the stroller
>to carry the groceries home. Cheaper than a kiddy gym for 2 year olds.
>
>Wendy

G'day G'day Wendy,

One of the most delightful things to observe at the Hastings'
Farmers Market is the fathers playing with their toddlers. The market
is situated in a clearing surrounded by hundred year old trees. It
provides a grassy environment free from vehicular traffic. It is a
safe place for toddlers to run round. Not sure why it is so often
fathers who play with the children. It just is. The fathers enjoy
it. The toddlers obviously enjoy it. Maybe the mothers are shopping
at the stalls. It's a growing healthy phenomenon that fascinates me.
Amongst all the downward trends in society it is reassuring to observe
something new and wonderful becoming popular.

The local government spent about a million dollars on building a
concrete cycle and walking track along the coast. The beach is rather
stony not sandy so it would be hard on the ankles to walk any distance
without the cycle track. This track is extremely popular with
families, mums, dads and kids of all ages. Even little kids with
trainer wheels can manage on the flat concrete surface.

Cycles shops have become popular and have scores of cycles of every
description for sale. The cycle track goes in land at one end and
follows the river to Pakawhai Country Park which also has well
developed walking tracks through the trees. This park was has been
developed by a mixture of groups. Some are youth on work schemes
working off a debt to society. Some work was done by eco-conscious
groups who wished to restore native trees. The cycle tracks were
developed by Rotary members. There is even a area for mountain bikes
down on the river bed. It is great to see amidst the X-box
generation that some families at least are getting together and
getting about.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On 5 Apr, 11:04, "hemyd" <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:65o6fdF2grc6lU3@mid.individual.net...
>
> > I've started my bicycling now that things have warmed up a bit - did 10
> > miles a couple of weeks ago, and was out three days this week 5-8miles
> > each.
>
> > Day trip to Grand Teton Nat'l Park today. I bicycled 22.5 miles - the
> > Jenny Lake loop road in particular was incredible! We'll see what that
> > does for FBG!
>
> By the end of April, unless I get hit by a car, I'll have done 20,000
> kilometres (12,500 miles?) of bicycle commuting since 2005. Not bad for a 60
> year "old fart".... It is good for managing bg (depending on when you ride)
> as well as excellent for cardio. Extra benefit is psychological.
>
> Henry Mydlarz.

That's why I regard my dx as a blessing. If it wasnt for the shock
horror of having a chronic condition, I wouldnt have got off my butt
and sorted out the accumulation of child-bearing chubbiness and
lethargy.

It woke me up and sounds to me like it woke others up or kept them
WIDE AWAKE with joie de vivre!!

)))))))))

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:51:53 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:51:13 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
><wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>THis starts early arond here. I see little kids in strollers beign taken
>>to the kiddy exercise programs. Why not just take a longer time getting
>>around a few times a day with the kid outside the stroller walking and
>>exploring a bit. Bring the stroller, go tothe market and use the stroller
>>to carry the groceries home. Cheaper than a kiddy gym for 2 year olds.
>>
>>Wendy
>
>G'day G'day Wendy,
>
> One of the most delightful things to observe at the Hastings'
>Farmers Market is the fathers playing with their toddlers. The market
>is situated in a clearing surrounded by hundred year old trees. It
>provides a grassy environment free from vehicular traffic. It is a
>safe place for toddlers to run round. Not sure why it is so often
>fathers who play with the children. It just is. The fathers enjoy
>it. The toddlers obviously enjoy it. Maybe the mothers are shopping
>at the stalls. It's a growing healthy phenomenon that fascinates me.
>Amongst all the downward trends in society it is reassuring to observe
>something new and wonderful becoming popular.

This is great, prsumably you do not (yet) have the paranoia about
being accused of pedophilia that scares the hell out of many father
here and inhibits them from interraction with their own or their
partner's children. (And obviously does nothing about pedophilia)

>The local government spent about a million dollars on building a
>concrete cycle and walking track along the coast. The beach is rather
>stony not sandy so it would be hard on the ankles to walk any distance
>without the cycle track. This track is extremely popular with
>families, mums, dads and kids of all ages. Even little kids with
>trainer wheels can manage on the flat concrete surface.
>
>Cycles shops have become popular and have scores of cycles of every
>description for sale. The cycle track goes in land at one end and
>follows the river to Pakawhai Country Park which also has well
>developed walking tracks through the trees. This park was has been
>developed by a mixture of groups. Some are youth on work schemes
>working off a debt to society. Some work was done by eco-conscious
>groups who wished to restore native trees. The cycle tracks were
>developed by Rotary members. There is even a area for mountain bikes
>down on the river bed. It is great to see amidst the X-box
>generation that some families at least are getting together and
>getting about.

Civilisation ho!

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>That's why I regard my dx as a blessing. If it wasnt for the shock
>horror of having a chronic condition, I wouldnt have got off my butt
>and sorted out the accumulation of child-bearing chubbiness and
>lethargy.
>
>It woke me up and sounds to me like it woke others up or kept them
>WIDE AWAKE with joie de vivre!!
>
>)))))))))

G'day G'day Helen,

For many T2 diabetics the period following diagnosis marks the
beginning of a period of greatly improved health. I know it did for
me. For the first time in my life I lost sufficient girth to enjoy
playing tennis. In fact I came to wonder why the other players didn't
want another match. I was enjoying myself so much. Up till then I
hadn't realised that so many seemingly unrelated illnesses were all
related to metabolic syndrome.

Of course in the last few years I had to struggle with other illnesses
unrelated to T2 diabetes.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:37:58 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>>G'day G'day Wendy,
>>
>> One of the most delightful things to observe at the Hastings'
>>Farmers Market is the fathers playing with their toddlers. The market
>>is situated in a clearing surrounded by hundred year old trees. It
>>provides a grassy environment free from vehicular traffic. It is a
>>safe place for toddlers to run round. Not sure why it is so often
>>fathers who play with the children. It just is. The fathers enjoy
>>it. The toddlers obviously enjoy it. Maybe the mothers are shopping
>>at the stalls. It's a growing healthy phenomenon that fascinates me.
>>Amongst all the downward trends in society it is reassuring to observe
>>something new and wonderful becoming popular.
>
>This is great, prsumably you do not (yet) have the paranoia about
>being accused of pedophilia that scares the hell out of many father
>here and inhibits them from interraction with their own or their
>partner's children. (And obviously does nothing about pedophilia)

G'day G'day,

Heck I can be so dumb sometimes. I've been trying to figure out why
the Farmer's Market is such a popular place for blokes to play with
children. You may well have come up with an important reason. It is
a very, very public place. Fathers and particularly partners
undoubtedly feel safe from such accusations when their actions are
freely observed by many disinterested observers who could and would
quash such malicious accusations.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:37:58 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>>The local government spent about a million dollars on building a
>>concrete cycle and walking track along the coast. The beach is rather
>>stony not sandy so it would be hard on the ankles to walk any distance
>>without the cycle track. This track is extremely popular with
>>families, mums, dads and kids of all ages. Even little kids with
>>trainer wheels can manage on the flat concrete surface.
>>
>>Cycles shops have become popular and have scores of cycles of every
>>description for sale. The cycle track goes in land at one end and
>>follows the river to Pakawhai Country Park which also has well
>>developed walking tracks through the trees. This park was has been
>>developed by a mixture of groups. Some are youth on work schemes
>>working off a debt to society. Some work was done by eco-conscious
>>groups who wished to restore native trees. The cycle tracks were
>>developed by Rotary members. There is even a area for mountain bikes
>>down on the river bed. It is great to see amidst the X-box
>>generation that some families at least are getting together and
>>getting about.
>
>Civilisation ho!

So much that happens in society leads to a deterioration of family
life and family values. Heck one can hardly say family values these
days without bringing out cynical responses. Even though the price
tag is in the million dollar region I'm confident the local government
will in time see a positive return from the investment. The families
who get out and about together sure as heck are. I'm just amazed at
the cycle industry that has grown up around the various ventures
currently available.

Today I watched a family group with a toy motor bike. OK, I'm not
that keen on toy motor bikes and would have preferred seeing families
out push biking together. Neither was I all that keen on seeing them
racing back and forth where the gazanias grow. The area where I
regularly walk a kilometre.

However. It was a family group and the kids patiently and
respectfully waited their turn to have a go on the motor bike.
Everyone sat quietly on the log railing designed to stop cars, trucks
and oh .... motor bikes coming onto this area. It was one of those
situations where one could be upset or not. Maybe I'm just having a
moment in my life where I'm choosing not to be upset and instead to
see the positive aspects of things. Stressing out over things doesn't
help.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady wrote:
> convicted friend Helen Back <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >That's why I regard my dx as a blessing. If it wasnt for the shock
> >horror of having a chronic condition, I wouldnt have got off my butt
> >and sorted out the accumulation of child-bearing chubbiness and
> >lethargy.
> >
> >It woke me up and sounds to me like it woke others up or kept them
> >WIDE AWAKE with joie de vivre!!
> >
> >)))))))))
>
> G'day G'day Helen,
>
> For many T2 diabetics the period following diagnosis marks the
> beginning of a period of greatly improved health. I know it did for
> me. For the first time in my life I lost sufficient girth to enjoy
> playing tennis. In fact I came to wonder why the other players didn't
> want another match. I was enjoying myself so much. Up till then I
> hadn't realised that so many seemingly unrelated illnesses were all
> related to metabolic syndrome.
>
> Of course in the last few years I had to struggle with other illnesses
> unrelated to T2 diabetes.

But possibly still related to the black fat (VAT) that is the
proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Overeating --> black fat --> MetS --> T2DM

Thus, it remains much smarter to simply eat less, down to the right
amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting greater
understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Life in industrialized countries is life in a blessed feed lot.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> But possibly still related to the black fat (VAT) that is the
> proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Why do you call it "black" fat?

Lisa C wrote:
>
> > But possibly still related to the black fat (VAT) that is the
> > proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).
>
> Why do you call it "black" fat?

Black fat (VAT) is the opposite of white fat (SAT):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat

Black fat is the source of harmful pro-inflammatory adipocytokines
while white fat is the source of beneficial anti-inflammatory
adipocytokines like adiponectin.

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels

Lisa C wrote:
>> But possibly still related to the black fat (VAT) that is the
>> proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).
>
> Why do you call it "black" fat?

Lisa, because Ch*ng like to make things up as he goes

most of us have him killfiled, along with the people who reply to him

i didn't cut the cross posted newsgroups because i'm not sure which
newsgroup you are posting to......... when replying to Ch*ung, please
cut the newsgroups you aren't on

thanks!

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:04:43 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:37:58 +0100, Trinkwasser
><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>The local government spent about a million dollars on building a
>>>concrete cycle and walking track along the coast. The beach is rather
>>>stony not sandy so it would be hard on the ankles to walk any distance
>>>without the cycle track. This track is extremely popular with
>>>families, mums, dads and kids of all ages. Even little kids with
>>>trainer wheels can manage on the flat concrete surface.
>>>
>>>Cycles shops have become popular and have scores of cycles of every
>>>description for sale. The cycle track goes in land at one end and
>>>follows the river to Pakawhai Country Park which also has well
>>>developed walking tracks through the trees. This park was has been
>>>developed by a mixture of groups. Some are youth on work schemes
>>>working off a debt to society. Some work was done by eco-conscious
>>>groups who wished to restore native trees. The cycle tracks were
>>>developed by Rotary members. There is even a area for mountain bikes
>>>down on the river bed. It is great to see amidst the X-box
>>>generation that some families at least are getting together and
>>>getting about.
>>
>>Civilisation ho!
>
>So much that happens in society leads to a deterioration of family
>life and family values. Heck one can hardly say family values these
>days without bringing out cynical responses. Even though the price
>tag is in the million dollar region I'm confident the local government
>will in time see a positive return from the investment. The families
>who get out and about together sure as heck are. I'm just amazed at
>the cycle industry that has grown up around the various ventures
>currently available.
>
>Today I watched a family group with a toy motor bike. OK, I'm not
>that keen on toy motor bikes and would have preferred seeing families
>out push biking together. Neither was I all that keen on seeing them
>racing back and forth where the gazanias grow. The area where I
>regularly walk a kilometre.
>
> However. It was a family group and the kids patiently and
>respectfully waited their turn to have a go on the motor bike.
>Everyone sat quietly on the log railing designed to stop cars, trucks
>and oh .... motor bikes coming onto this area. It was one of those
>situations where one could be upset or not. Maybe I'm just having a
>moment in my life where I'm choosing not to be upset and instead to
>see the positive aspects of things. Stressing out over things doesn't
>help.

We have a sort of formal park in town, which leads down the towpath to
a semi-organised nature reserve, which leads on to watermeadows used
for grazing cows, and if you walk far enough you can follow the river
down through the marshes to the sea.

I took mother for a walk last weekend in a little hidden woodland on
the edge of the reserve and was amazed when a policeman in full
uniform came belting through, followed shortly by a police car.

Havne't yet seen my policewoman neighbour to find out what the hell
was going on. It's most unusual here (though not elsewhere).

On 25 Apr, 10:45, Quentin Grady <quen...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
>
> <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >That's why I regard my dx as a blessing. *If it wasnt for the shock
> >horror of having a chronic condition, I wouldnt have got off my butt
> >and sorted out the accumulation of child-bearing chubbiness and
> >lethargy.
>
> >It woke me up and sounds to me like it woke others up or kept them
> >WIDE AWAKE with joie de vivre!!
>
> >)))))))))
>
> G'day G'day Helen,
>
> * *For many T2 diabetics the period following diagnosis marks the
> beginning of a period of greatly improved health. *I know it did for
> me. *For the first time in my life I lost sufficient girth to enjoy
> playing tennis. *In fact I came to wonder why the other players didn't
> want another match. I was enjoying myself so much. *Up till then I
> hadn't realised that so many seemingly unrelated illnesses were all
> related to metabolic syndrome.
>
> Of course in the last few years I had to struggle with other illnesses
> unrelated to T2 diabetes. *
>

Yet you continue to maintain a philosophical stance - which I believe
aids us in the emotional strife of dealing with health issues. Pain,
discomfort, hospital trips, medication, diet changes, discompassionate
counterparts, fear, the unknown, the disappointment after hard work,
etc etc etc can lead to feelings of detachment and/or denial. But you
ride the rollercoaster of life, as far as I can see - and that is to
be admired and I hope you are darn well proud of yourself,
Quentin! ))))

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>On 25 Apr, 10:45, Quentin Grady <quen...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT), Helen Back
>>
>> <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >That's why I regard my dx as a blessing. *If it wasnt for the shock
>> >horror of having a chronic condition, I wouldnt have got off my butt
>> >and sorted out the accumulation of child-bearing chubbiness and
>> >lethargy.
>>
>> >It woke me up and sounds to me like it woke others up or kept them
>> >WIDE AWAKE with joie de vivre!!
>>
>> >)))))))))
>>
>> G'day G'day Helen,
>>
>> * *For many T2 diabetics the period following diagnosis marks the
>> beginning of a period of greatly improved health. *I know it did for
>> me. *For the first time in my life I lost sufficient girth to enjoy
>> playing tennis. *In fact I came to wonder why the other players didn't
>> want another match. I was enjoying myself so much. *Up till then I
>> hadn't realised that so many seemingly unrelated illnesses were all
>> related to metabolic syndrome.
>>
>> Of course in the last few years I had to struggle with other illnesses
>> unrelated to T2 diabetes. *
>>
>
>Yet you continue to maintain a philosophical stance - which I believe
>aids us in the emotional strife of dealing with health issues. Pain,
>discomfort, hospital trips, medication, diet changes, discompassionate
>counterparts, fear, the unknown, the disappointment after hard work,
>etc etc etc can lead to feelings of detachment and/or denial. But you
>ride the rollercoaster of life, as far as I can see - and that is to
>be admired and I hope you are darn well proud of yourself,
>Quentin! ))))

Thank you Helen,

Your comments are much appreciated particularly at the moment. The
dark spot found on my skin might be melanoma. OK, it probably isn't
but it could be. If discovered early the risk is less but if not then
the chances of survival past five years are slim. I've come to
realise today following discussions with friends that I've had that
dark spot for weeks. Friends all thought I knew and others surely
knew and would have mentioned it so no one mentioned it.

If it is melanoma it is a sort of tragic horror story.

The first bit of good news is it probably isn't melanoma. I'm
certainly hoping so. The second bit of good news is it isn't growing
rapidly. In fact those who noticed it say it hasn't grown at all in
the many weeks they've noticed it.

I found I had to apply some stern philosophy to myself when I
discovered all this. The first was not to commit the APE mistake.
APE = Attributing to Personality Error. Apparently it is a very
human thing to do as you'll see. I could have thought people didn't
care about me ie they weren't caring. In fact I am surrounded by
people who love me in a general sort of way. I could have thought they
weren't observant. They had noticed the dark spot. This week by the
way at least a half dozen people had come up to me and said how good I
was looking. They cared about me and they were thoughtful enough to
share that information with me.

I could have thought I was preoccupied. That is true enough.
Yet the reason I missed it is simpler and at a much lower contextual
level. The mirror I use was badly placed.

Thus I began a major shift in my thinking. I decided to ensure I
adopted ways to help those around me especially the nurses who really
do demonstrate that they care, be more resourceful in giving me
feedback.

It was up to me to ask questions routinely to ensure they did. So I
came up with the general question,

"Is there anything else I could be attending to?"

to add at the end of any session with nurses, doctors well anyone
really. I chose "could" rather than "should" to avoid value
judgments.

By handling it this way I've reduced my stress level and that will
increase my chances of survival.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:22:57 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>We have a sort of formal park in town, which leads down the towpath to
>a semi-organised nature reserve, which leads on to watermeadows used
>for grazing cows, and if you walk far enough you can follow the river
>down through the marshes to the sea.
>
>I took mother for a walk last weekend in a little hidden woodland on
>the edge of the reserve and was amazed when a policeman in full
>uniform came belting through, followed shortly by a police car.
>
>Havne't yet seen my policewoman neighbour to find out what the hell
>was going on. It's most unusual here (though not elsewhere).

You must be glad to live in an area where Gaia is still alive and
kicking. In too many places the living world has been replaced by the
concrete jungle. Hope the local council keeps up the preservation of
the reserves you've mentioned and that you'll continue to be able to
take your mother out to those delightful nature reserves.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
: Your comments are much appreciated particularly at the moment. The
: dark spot found on my skin might be melanoma. OK, it probably isn't
: but it could be. If discovered early the risk is less but if not then
: the chances of survival past five years are slim. I've come to
: realise today following discussions with friends that I've had that
: dark spot for weeks. Friends all thought I knew and others surely
: knew and would have mentioned it so no one mentioned it.

: If it is melanoma it is a sort of tragic horror story.

Just to try to reassure you. My husband had a melanoma over 10 years ago
right where his bathingsuit would end on his back. I noticed that a mole
had changed shape adn had him ask his MD at his regular checkp as a kind
of_and also. He was immediately sent to a dermatologist who first removed
the irggular mole and biopsied it and then removed a bit more adn biopsied
that and it was clear. He now has a small zipper looking scar on the back
and NO RECURRANCE. I don't know how early we caught it as no one was
looking for anything. We consider ourselves lucky adn now are more
attentive to both of our skins.

Wendy

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:04 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>Just to try to reassure you. My husband had a melanoma over 10 years ago
>right where his bathingsuit would end on his back. I noticed that a mole
>had changed shape adn had him ask his MD at his regular checkp as a kind
>of_and also. He was immediately sent to a dermatologist who first removed
>the irggular mole and biopsied it and then removed a bit more adn biopsied
>that and it was clear. He now has a small zipper looking scar on the back
>and NO RECURRANCE. I don't know how early we caught it as no one was
>looking for anything. We consider ourselves lucky adn now are more
>attentive to both of our skins.
>
>Wendy

Thank you for the reassurance. This black spot is near the hair line
where it isn't easily visible some of the time. I figure it is where
the sun tan solution didn't always make it. It should have been well
and truly protected by my sun hat. Apparently it wasn't sufficient.
The good news is I have an appointment with the best surgeon around on
Friday. I know from past experience that he performs brilliantly neat
tidy work where is almost impossible to see where he has been.

Hopefully I'll be around in ten years time still doing my best to help
people with nutrition. I'm amazed your husband had no recurrence.
Several people have told me of friends who thankfully are still alive
years after being diagnosed with melanoma who've had regular follow up
removals.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:04:23 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:50:04 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
><wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Just to try to reassure you. My husband had a melanoma over 10 years ago
>>right where his bathingsuit would end on his back. I noticed that a mole
>>had changed shape adn had him ask his MD at his regular checkp as a kind
>>of_and also. He was immediately sent to a dermatologist who first removed
>>the irggular mole and biopsied it and then removed a bit more adn biopsied
>>that and it was clear. He now has a small zipper looking scar on the back
>>and NO RECURRANCE. I don't know how early we caught it as no one was
>>looking for anything. We consider ourselves lucky adn now are more
>>attentive to both of our skins.
>>
>>Wendy
>
>Thank you for the reassurance. This black spot is near the hair line
>where it isn't easily visible some of the time. I figure it is where
>the sun tan solution didn't always make it. It should have been well
>and truly protected by my sun hat. Apparently it wasn't sufficient.
>The good news is I have an appointment with the best surgeon around on
>Friday. I know from past experience that he performs brilliantly neat
>tidy work where is almost impossible to see where he has been.
>
>Hopefully I'll be around in ten years time still doing my best to help
>people with nutrition. I'm amazed your husband had no recurrence.
>Several people have told me of friends who thankfully are still alive
>years after being diagnosed with melanoma who've had regular follow up
>removals.
>
>Best wishes,

Quentin, as you know I have similar problems with melanoma
dangers, immunoglobulins and CLL. In my climate having
danger spots removed is a regular activity for me. My doc or
my dermatologist usually use the freeze method; I've had
about two dozen removed that way over the past ten years.

In 2000 (before my various diagnoses) one suddenly grew on
the back of my right hand while I was attending the
Olympics. That one had to be excised; initial tests showed
it was malign but the post-excision tests showed no
malignancy remaining. I worried for a while but it was gone.
I hope that is reassuring to you - the malignancy, if that
is what it is, can be fully removed if treated quickly
enough.

You mentioned the lack of warning from friends. I remember
being shocked a couple of years ago when I sat down for a
normal visit to my dermatologist and he immediately
inspected my bald scalp, grabbed his freeze-spray can and
zapped me in five different spots before we spoke. It's hard
to notice changes up there:-)

So now I have a hand mirror in the bathroom which I use, via
the bathroom mirror, to inspect daily after my shower.

Best wishes.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:Valderee, Valderah. Or, I love To Go A-wandering...

On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:41:15 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>Quentin, as you know I have similar problems with melanoma
>dangers, immunoglobulins and CLL. In my climate having
>danger spots removed is a regular activity for me.

G'day G'Day Alan,

I was a bit hesitant mentioning the possibility of having melanoma
on top of the other things that have happened to me. As you make
clear skin abnormalities are common here in Australia and New Zealand
thanks to our proximity to the Antarctic hole in the ozone layer.
Sometimes they are basal carcinomas. There are three ways of treating
them, surgery, liquid nitrogen, and an ointment that has to be applied
for three months. Some of those require reconstructive surgery. A
relative of mine has to have skin removed from his ear to have surgery
done on his nose. The liquid nitrogen is used of more superficial
abnormalities. Melanoma though is vastly more serious especially if
it becomes established.

>My doc or
>my dermatologist usually use the freeze method; I've had
>about two dozen removed that way over the past ten years.

I'm assuming, perhaps unwisely, that you aren't referring to melanoma
but to some other skin abnormalities.

>In 2000 (before my various diagnoses) one suddenly grew on
>the back of my right hand while I was attending the
>Olympics. That one had to be excised; initial tests showed
>it was malign but the post-excision tests showed no
>malignancy remaining. I worried for a while but it was gone.
>I hope that is reassuring to you - the malignancy, if that
>is what it is, can be fully removed if treated quickly
>enough.
>
>You mentioned the lack of warning from friends. I remember
>being shocked a couple of years ago when I sat down for a
>normal visit to my dermatologist and he immediately
>inspected my bald scalp, grabbed his freeze-spray can and
>zapped me in five different spots before we spoke. It's hard
>to notice changes up there:-)

I can feel the thickening of skin there. Keratin the nurses call it.
They get routinely burnt off.

>So now I have a hand mirror in the bathroom which I use, via
>the bathroom mirror, to inspect daily after my shower.
>
>Best wishes.

Thanks,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:30:51 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:22:57 +0100, Trinkwasser
><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>We have a sort of formal park in town, which leads down the towpath to
>>a semi-organised nature reserve, which leads on to watermeadows used
>>for grazing cows, and if you walk far enough you can follow the river
>>down through the marshes to the sea.
>>
>>I took mother for a walk last weekend in a little hidden woodland on
>>the edge of the reserve and was amazed when a policeman in full
>>uniform came belting through, followed shortly by a police car.
>>
>>Havne't yet seen my policewoman neighbour to find out what the hell
>>was going on. It's most unusual here (though not elsewhere).
>
>You must be glad to live in an area where Gaia is still alive and
>kicking. In too many places the living world has been replaced by the
>concrete jungle. Hope the local council keeps up the preservation of
>the reserves you've mentioned and that you'll continue to be able to
>take your mother out to those delightful nature reserves.

It's a strange mixture around here, there's some of the most intensive
arable agriculture, fields the size of some subsaharan countries, yet
it's still crawling with nature, more so than some less intensive
areas where I've lived. There are not only council owned areas but
various conservation charities have reserves, and not a few of the
farmers put in plenty of work in maintaining biodiversity. Just across
the fields from us is a little lane and part of the verge is a linear
reserve, it's hard to tell where though as the rest of it (maintained
by the farmer) is every bit as good.

First year we were really pleased to see "a" primrose in spring (they
were not common where we used to live) and amazed to find the whole
roadside exploded with them within a few weeks. Then I spotted "a"
cowslip (even rarer where we used to live) and again the whole
roadside was covered in them shortly. There's a common used only for
grazing horses which has more orchids than I ever saw in one place
before.

So it goes. Yes Gaia is alive and well here, even the outflow from the
nuclear power station carries rare birds' nests.

I just hope your love of the outdoors isn't what has set off the
(potential) melanoma, that would be ironic.