Bad reaction to insulin? Hypo?

"krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> <<sigh>>
>
> Those names arent especially foreign on this list and again you cant
> possibly know if they are good if you dont try..ozgirls point is shes
> 25000 miles away and can find 12 endos well withing your two hour drive
> limit...
>
> But meh its yer life and health..if your not going to try..thats your
> choice..

Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my
insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try
another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a two
hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all feasible.
I said 20 minutes!

As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 05:06:37 GMT, Julie Bove posted:

>
>"krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g0tli4$dl$1@aioe.org...
>> <<sigh>>
>>
>> Those names arent especially foreign on this list and again you cant
>> possibly know if they are good if you dont try..ozgirls point is shes
>> 25000 miles away and can find 12 endos well withing your two hour drive
>> limit...
>>
>> But meh its yer life and health..if your not going to try..thats your
>> choice..
>
>Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my
>insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try
>another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a two
>hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all feasible.
>I said 20 minutes!
>
>As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area.
>

And how's that working out for you, Julie?

For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
until you are beyond recovery.

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

"Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
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> And how's that working out for you, Julie?

Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in years!
This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me.
>
> For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
> up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
> because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
> way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
> until you are beyond recovery.

Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't.
I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
people for ideas. That's just not my style.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:08:10 GMT, Julie Bove posted:

>
>"Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
>news2q434da3s83tmode7fl5esq3buidoktuj@4ax.com.. .
>
>> And how's that working out for you, Julie?
>
>Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in years!
>This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me.
>>
>> For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
>> up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
>> because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
>> way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
>> until you are beyond recovery.
>
>Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't.
>I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
>people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>

Does that seem like a sound reason for ignoring them?

I'm done reading your postings.

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

"Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
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>
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:08:10 GMT, Julie Bove posted:
>
>>
>>"Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
>>news2q434da3s83tmode7fl5esq3buidoktuj@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>> And how's that working out for you, Julie?
>>
>>Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in
>>years!
>>This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me.
>>>
>>> For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
>>> up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
>>> because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
>>> way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
>>> until you are beyond recovery.
>>
>>Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>>didn't.
>>I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
>>people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>>
>
> Does that seem like a sound reason for ignoring them?
>
> I'm done reading your postings.

Whatever.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 04:46:18 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

>> Edmonds is only 9
>>> miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I
>>> don't recognize either of those names but they sound foreign and
>>> that's never a good thing IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood,
>>> but I will look it up.
>>
>> Foreign doesn't mean they are bad doctors. They still have to be qualified
>> to a standard acceptable to the US or anywhere else.
>
>But the ones I have seen do not speak English well enough to understand me,
>for the most part. My GP on Staten Island was foreign, and he understood
>me, but I couldn't always understand him. He kept telling me, "That does
>not impress me!" I thought he meant it was a problem, but he meant the
>opposite.
>
>I have been to many others who had little command of the English language so
>things didn't go so well.
>

Enough.

Really Julie, this is silly. And sad.

If you can't handle tough love, stop reading right here.

But I'll be so sad if you do.

A good friend from half-way 'round the world has done the
work for you that you should, and could, have done for
yourself. Jan was able to give you a list to work with and
you say "I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland."

Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will
never know if you never try to find out.

So bloody well find out.

Look up Google Maps

Get out the phone book.

Ring their receptionists.

Ask if they are foreign if that really worries you (the best
doctor I've had recently treated my leg wound in Hong Kong;
I didn't ask if he was foreign, I felt that the possibility
of septicaemia was going to put a significant cramp in my
wanders around the Taj Mahal).

Ask how far away they are,
what busline they are on,
what they charge,
find out the cab-fare,
what transport and other services are available to you,
ask...whatever you need to to find the one that will save
your life.

Find out.

Stop assuming. Stop moaning. Do the bloody work - find out.

Here you use the need to care for your daughter as an excuse
to not see a doctor: "I have a child who is in school. I
have to be here to make her meals and such". But if you
don't see that doctor are you sure you will be able to
continue to do that? For how long?

And have you any idea of the impression you are giving us of
your husband? I won't elaborate much on that, but it sure
isn't good. If he's overseas, that's fair enough. But if
he's not, I could not live with myself if my wife was going
through this and I could not make the time to sort things
out. And don't give me any nonsense about the military -
some things are the same all over the world and I was in the
RAAF for 20 years. So I hope that things aren't really as
you paint them, I really do.

OK. I know you'll never speak to me again. I'm sorry about
that - but I felt it had to be said.

Be well, and please, after the anger dies a little, at least
think a little about what I just wrote.

Best wishes, Alan, T2, Australia.

Wont know until you find out..
You remind me of my gal pals who are single who say "i cant get a good
man"..yet if i guy smiles at them they go all sour faces and give the evil
eye and will say somthing rude out loud...

Their laundry list of wants and rules and regulations is so long and tedius
no being on the planet can ever meet it.

They blew off great guys because he was "too nice" or not rich enough or
hairs the wrong color he he is a inch to tall..too short...

The point is its silly to say you wont even check out a endo becuase thier
NAME sounds foriegn...america is made up of funny names..i know third
generation asians who are doctors who speak better english then i do and i
know a dr named brown who is a idiot and doesnt listen and spews textbook
jargon that in the end says nothing.


You got nothing to lose in putting some time and effort into your well
being...but nobody here can make you of course just saying is all..

I know your not seeking advice but people are trying to be helpful..thats
why we are here.

If i say my hairs on fire i dont expect people to say "yeah i bet thats
hot"..no,..im pretty sure they are going to offer ways to put it
out..especially if i continue to complain about it..lol

KROM





"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote
> Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my
> insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try
> another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a
> two hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all
> feasible. I said 20 minutes!
>
> As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the
> area.
>

On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

>>
>> Your nurse sounds like a twit im sorry..
>
>She said a type 2 does not get ketoacidocis and in the prescribing
>information for the insulin it say the same thing.
>

I'm no expert on ketoacidosis so I used the same resources
you have.

I found these with Google - and that was ordinary Google,
not even Google scholar. And, after discarding the Wikipedia
entry, these were just the first three of "Results 1 - 10 of
about 249,000 for ketoacidosis "type 2". (0.19 seconds)"

http://journal.diabetes.org/clinical...22000/pg88.htm
Case Study: Diabetic Ketoacidosis Complications in Type 2
Diabetes

"Prolonged hyperglycemia may lead to impaired endogenous
secretion of insulin and reduced efficiency of insulin at
the cellular level, a condition defined as glucose toxicity.
This may result in insulin deficiency sufficient to cause
DKA."

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1984539
Résumé / Abstract
Background: Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) has been reported to
occur in type 2 diabetes, but the frequency and
distinguishing features of this syndrome remain to be
defined.
<snip>
Conclusions: A high proportion of DKA in nonwhite adults
occurs in persons with type 2 diabetes, especially in those
with previously undiagnosed diabetes. The frequency and
clinical heterogeneity of this syndrome in a multiethnic
population have significant implications for the diagnosis,
classification, and management of adults with diabetes."

http://tinyurl.com/3mkmun or
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...ournalCode=dme
Pathophysiology of ketoacidosis in Type 2 diabetes mellitus

"Aims Despite an increasing number of reports of
ketoacidosis in populations with Type 2 diabetes mellitus,
the pathophysiology of the ketoacidosis in these patients is
unclear. We therefore tested the roles of three possible
mechanisms: elevated stress hormones, increased free fatty
acids (FFA), and suppressed insulin secretion.

Methods Forty-six patients who presented to the Emergency
Department with decompensated diabetes (serum glucose > 22.2
mmol/l and/or ketoacid concentrations ? 5 mmol/l), had blood
sampled prior to insulin therapy. Three groups of subjects
were studied: ketosis-prone Type 2 diabetes (KPDM2, n = 13)
with ketoacidosis, non-ketosis-prone subjects with Type 2
diabetes (DM2, n = 15), and ketotic Type 1 diabetes (n =
18).

Results All three groups had similar mean plasma glucose
concentrations. The degree of ketoacidosis (plasma
ketoacids, bicarbonate and anion gap) in Type 1 and 2
subjects was similar."

I totally agree that "Your nurse sounds like a twit".


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:28:56 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>Julie, EVERYone gets ketones.
>
>Type 1s get ketoacidosis.
>
>Susan

See my response to Julie. Not just type 1's.

Just to extend that post, here is the result of a Google
Scholar search on 'ketoacidosis "type 2"':

http://tinyurl.com/4ylmbt

I don't pretend to any expertise in this subject which is
why I searched., The evidence is overwhelming; it is not
just a type 1 problem, although it is not common in type 2.
Thank goodness.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:01:15 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

><snip> freaking nurse
><snip> jackshit

You too? :-)

Smile Jan, even if it is through gritted teeth...

:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:37:26 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

>> Seems to me that this is where you need to be. Your present course of
>> treatment, obviously, isn't working.
>> http://uwmedicine.washington.edu/Pat...inic/index.htm
>
>That is too far away for me.

You have to be kidding:

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/%5B1000...05/bothell+WA/

From
[1000-1013] NE Pacific St, Seattle, WA 98105
<snip>
End at Bothell, WA

Estimated Time: 22 minutes Estimated Distance: 13.30 miles

Cab-fare each way about $40.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transp...93_taxi23.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

x-no-archive: yes

Julie Bove wrote:

> Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my
> insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try
> another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a two
> hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all feasible.
> I said 20 minutes!
>
> As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the area.
>
>

William Ludlam, Swedish Hosp. in Seattle. Will figure out your HPA axis
problems that drive your bg problems.

If you decide you can't get there, that's a pity.

Susan

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt85349h9o4ud4hbu2ar8bd5o0gnbr38kc@4ax.com...

>
> Enough.
>
> Really Julie, this is silly. And sad.

Whatever.
>
> If you can't handle tough love, stop reading right here.
>
> But I'll be so sad if you do.
>
> A good friend from half-way 'round the world has done the
> work for you that you should, and could, have done for
> yourself. Jan was able to give you a list to work with and
> you say "I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland."

Did I ask for another Dr? And just because there is a Dr. does not mean
they take my insurance. I don't know how it is where you are. But here, if
they do not take your insurance, it is not likely they will see you at all.
If you can afford to go to them. I will not go to Kirkland. My GP tried to
send me there for a mammogram. I refused. I got mine done in Edmonds at a
place I know how to get to.
>
> Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will
> never know if you never try to find out.
>
Not going to try it out.

> So bloody well find out.
>
> Look up Google Maps

Don't do maps. Never could figure out how to read them.
>
> Get out the phone book.
>
Don't have a phone book for those areas.

> Ring their receptionists.

Nope.
>
> Ask if they are foreign if that really worries you (the best
> doctor I've had recently treated my leg wound in Hong Kong;
> I didn't ask if he was foreign, I felt that the possibility
> of septicaemia was going to put a significant cramp in my
> wanders around the Taj Mahal).

Okay...
>
> Ask how far away they are,
> what busline they are on, \

*I* am not on a bus line. I told you the bus service here is terrible. The
people who owned this house before me sold it for that very reason.

> what they charge,

They do not tell you WHAT they charge. How could they when there are so
many different types of visits?

> find out the cab-fare,

More than I could pay. Again, cabs are not common here.

> what transport and other services are available to you,

Doubt they would know that.

> ask...whatever you need to to find the one that will save
> your life.

Now you're being unneccessarily dire, IMO.
>
> Find out.
>
> Stop assuming. Stop moaning. Do the bloody work - find out.

Stop being so damned patronizing! I asked one question. If anyone had
those symptoms. I now know it was a virus. Angela has it today. I assumed
it was from the insulin because it happened right after I injected it. I
was wrong.
>
> Here you use the need to care for your daughter as an excuse
> to not see a doctor: "I have a child who is in school. I
> have to be here to make her meals and such". But if you
> don't see that doctor are you sure you will be able to
> continue to do that? For how long?

Blah, blah, blah.
>
> And have you any idea of the impression you are giving us of
> your husband? I won't elaborate much on that, but it sure
> isn't good. If he's overseas, that's fair enough. But if
> he's not, I could not live with myself if my wife was going
> through this and I could not make the time to sort things
> out. And don't give me any nonsense about the military -
> some things are the same all over the world and I was in the
> RAAF for 20 years. So I hope that things aren't really as
> you paint them, I really do.

I don't really care WHAT you think of him. And that's you. That's not him.
>
> OK. I know you'll never speak to me again. I'm sorry about
> that - but I felt it had to be said.
>
> Be well, and please, after the anger dies a little, at least
> think a little about what I just wrote.
>
I am not angry.

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:69g4r1F332t1dU1@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Just because she found 12 Endos. doesn't mean any one of them takes my
>> insurance. I can not go to one that does not. And I am unwilling to try
>> another foreign sounding name unless I have no choice. I do not have a
>> two hour drive limit. Not by a long shot. That would not be at all
>> feasible. I said 20 minutes!
>>
>> As I said before... I am going to the most highly rated Endo. in the
>> area.
>
> William Ludlam, Swedish Hosp. in Seattle. Will figure out your HPA axis
> problems that drive your bg problems.
>
> If you decide you can't get there, that's a pity.

I can't get there. But I will save the name.

On May 19, 3:16 pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>

>
> SOME of that sounds like a form of food poisoning I've had once or
> twice, comes on a few hours after eating, off the top of my head I
> can't remember which particular bug.

no clue what would have made you nauseous.

>
> I ended up lying on the bathroom floor soaked in sweat, trembling with
> the cold and not knowing which end to point at the porcelain first.

I once passed out in a restaurant, the waitresses said I was sweating
profusely but yes, my body temperature was really low when I came
too. They speculated it might have been a food allergy.

when something smells bad, it could make you feel like you will throw
up, so it
could have been anything
some people claim they are allergic to certain perfumes.

I know some irritate me.

The ones that I am really allergic to are the ones where I can't even
smell
any floral or similar smell, but rather only the alcohol underlying
the perfume


>
> Add that and the resultant dehydration to your current BG problems and
> it's a *possible* reason, in which case the injection problem mayhavebeencoincidental.

For me, they also said that I had hugely dehydrated, not sure how, as
I was drinking 3 glasses of water right before it happened. They
thought probably I hadn't replenished in time.


when it happens twice then I'd worry, but it never happened to me
again, so I am not sure which doctor was right or whether anyone was
right

when i get to feeling weird, I have a Propel water, that usually makes
it go away.

mk5000

"Larry the Cable Guy" Animated Project: a series that features Larry
as the
owner of a cable station. His character is always at odds with the
stations other owner, who doesn't care for Larry's ideas. Isn't that
pretty much the
plot of the Weird Al movie UHF?"--The Love Child Of Hiro And Claire
The Cheerleader

On Tue, 20 May 2008 20:31:45 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 May 2008 04:46:18 GMT, "Julie Bove"
><juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> Edmonds is only 9
>>>> miles from here. I don't know where those figures came from and I
>>>> don't recognize either of those names but they sound foreign and
>>>> that's never a good thing IMO. Don't know about the one in Lynnwood,
>>>> but I will look it up.
>>>
>>> Foreign doesn't mean they are bad doctors. They still have to be qualified
>>> to a standard acceptable to the US or anywhere else.
>>
>>But the ones I have seen do not speak English well enough to understand me,
>>for the most part. My GP on Staten Island was foreign, and he understood
>>me, but I couldn't always understand him. He kept telling me, "That does
>>not impress me!" I thought he meant it was a problem, but he meant the
>>opposite.
>>
>>I have been to many others who had little command of the English language so
>>things didn't go so well.
>>
>
>Enough.
>
>Really Julie, this is silly. And sad.
>
>If you can't handle tough love, stop reading right here.
>
>But I'll be so sad if you do.
>
>A good friend from half-way 'round the world has done the
>work for you that you should, and could, have done for
>yourself. Jan was able to give you a list to work with and
>you say "I have no clue how to get to Bellevue or Kirkland."
>
>Maybe her list is no good, maybe it is great - but you will
>never know if you never try to find out.
>
>So bloody well find out.
>
>Look up Google Maps
>
>Get out the phone book.
>
>Ring their receptionists.
>
>Ask if they are foreign if that really worries you (the best
>doctor I've had recently treated my leg wound in Hong Kong;
>I didn't ask if he was foreign, I felt that the possibility
>of septicaemia was going to put a significant cramp in my
>wanders around the Taj Mahal).
>
>Ask how far away they are,
>what busline they are on,
>what they charge,
>find out the cab-fare,
>what transport and other services are available to you,
>ask...whatever you need to to find the one that will save
>your life.
>
>Find out.
>
>Stop assuming. Stop moaning. Do the bloody work - find out.
>
>Here you use the need to care for your daughter as an excuse
>to not see a doctor: "I have a child who is in school. I
>have to be here to make her meals and such". But if you
>don't see that doctor are you sure you will be able to
>continue to do that? For how long?
>
>And have you any idea of the impression you are giving us of
>your husband? I won't elaborate much on that, but it sure
>isn't good. If he's overseas, that's fair enough. But if
>he's not, I could not live with myself if my wife was going
>through this and I could not make the time to sort things
>out. And don't give me any nonsense about the military -
>some things are the same all over the world and I was in the
>RAAF for 20 years. So I hope that things aren't really as
>you paint them, I really do.
>
>OK. I know you'll never speak to me again. I'm sorry about
>that - but I felt it had to be said.
>
>Be well, and please, after the anger dies a little, at least
>think a little about what I just wrote.
>
>Best wishes, Alan, T2, Australia.

At the risk of being accused of posting psycho-babble -- the term
"learned helplessness" comes to mind. I've read about animals (and
rescued a few) that have been so beaten down, they won't even try to
walk across a room to solve a problem if they think their situation is
futile. It's a sad situation, and one that, unfortunately, is much
easier to address in dogs than people.

"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:291f6076-13d3-4934-8eea-00a44fe217d2@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 19, 3:16 pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> SOME of that sounds like a form of food poisoning I've had once or
>> twice, comes on a few hours after eating, off the top of my head I
>> can't remember which particular bug.
>
> no clue what would have made you nauseous.
>
>>
>> I ended up lying on the bathroom floor soaked in sweat, trembling with
>> the cold and not knowing which end to point at the porcelain first.
>
> I once passed out in a restaurant, the waitresses said I was sweating
> profusely but yes, my body temperature was really low when I came
> too. They speculated it might have been a food allergy.
>
> when something smells bad, it could make you feel like you will throw
> up, so it
> could have been anything
> some people claim they are allergic to certain perfumes.
>
> I know some irritate me.
>
> The ones that I am really allergic to are the ones where I can't even
> smell
> any floral or similar smell, but rather only the alcohol underlying
> the perfume
>
>
>>
>> Add that and the resultant dehydration to your current BG problems and
>> it's a *possible* reason, in which case the injection problem
>> mayhavebeencoincidental.
>
> For me, they also said that I had hugely dehydrated, not sure how, as
> I was drinking 3 glasses of water right before it happened. They
> thought probably I hadn't replenished in time.
>
>
> when it happens twice then I'd worry, but it never happened to me
> again, so I am not sure which doctor was right or whether anyone was
> right
>
> when i get to feeling weird, I have a Propel water, that usually makes
> it go away.

I do have food allergies and part of how I felt did feel like an allergic
reaction but I knew I made all my own food that day. It is indeed a virus
and now my daughter has it. She got back in bed and went back to sleep.
That is not like her at all.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MMBYj.5758$bG1.5168@trndny04...

>
> I do have food allergies and part of how I felt did feel like an allergic
> reaction but I knew I made all my own food that day. It is indeed a virus
> and now my daughter has it. She got back in bed and went back to
> sleep. That is not like her at all.
>
>

well I hope you feel better soon.

I was watching the not secret news , with the regular medical expert
on

Not that I am relating this to your situation, but it's an interesting
point. The expert said that older people often lose their sense of smell
and taste after a viral infection

that nothing brings it back

except that high zinc doses seem to help

my father and mother often complain they have alzheimers, I don't think
they do, and i think they can still smell and taste fine

I have been telling them forever that they are less forgetful than me.

That they have intact sense of smell is additional proof that they don't
have
it at allI have been sleeping all this week uncharacteristically as well. I
wonder, but anyway feel better.mk5000Sparkling eyes, with tears so fresh
Skin to skin, and flesh to flesh. Laugh it off, but yearn inside Breaks your
heart, when I confide--Smile, http://www.createpoem.com/sadpoems.htm

Alan, I've never even looked up the DKA-T2 issue. But I do keep a box of
ketostix around because my CDE told me I should have them -- for in case I
get sick & have high bg's. It seemed to make sense to me. It's just one of
the many *non-food-related* things I learned in my course.

I've never needed to use my ketostix, but I renew my supply every now & then
(they aren't immortal!). I do get sick from time to time but don't run high
bg other than from lack of exercise & concurrent not-cutting-back-on-treats
syndrome. :-)
bj

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7qf534de0dt22hlb1cb66kv8kf5r6n5sdg@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 22:35:05 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Your nurse sounds like a twit im sorry..
>>
>>She said a type 2 does not get ketoacidocis and in the prescribing
>>information for the insulin it say the same thing.
>>
>
> I'm no expert on ketoacidosis so I used the same resources
> you have.
>
> I found these with Google - and that was ordinary Google,
> not even Google scholar. And, after discarding the Wikipedia
> entry, these were just the first three of "Results 1 - 10 of
> about 249,000 for ketoacidosis "type 2". (0.19 seconds)"
>
> http://journal.diabetes.org/clinical...22000/pg88.htm
> Case Study: Diabetic Ketoacidosis Complications in Type 2
> Diabetes
>
> "Prolonged hyperglycemia may lead to impaired endogenous
> secretion of insulin and reduced efficiency of insulin at
> the cellular level, a condition defined as glucose toxicity.
> This may result in insulin deficiency sufficient to cause
> DKA."
>
> http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1984539
> Résumé / Abstract
> Background: Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) has been reported to
> occur in type 2 diabetes, but the frequency and
> distinguishing features of this syndrome remain to be
> defined.
> <snip>
> Conclusions: A high proportion of DKA in nonwhite adults
> occurs in persons with type 2 diabetes, especially in those
> with previously undiagnosed diabetes. The frequency and
> clinical heterogeneity of this syndrome in a multiethnic
> population have significant implications for the diagnosis,
> classification, and management of adults with diabetes."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mkmun or
> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...ournalCode=dme
> Pathophysiology of ketoacidosis in Type 2 diabetes mellitus
>
> "Aims Despite an increasing number of reports of
> ketoacidosis in populations with Type 2 diabetes mellitus,
> the pathophysiology of the ketoacidosis in these patients is
> unclear. We therefore tested the roles of three possible
> mechanisms: elevated stress hormones, increased free fatty
> acids (FFA), and suppressed insulin secretion.
>
> Methods Forty-six patients who presented to the Emergency
> Department with decompensated diabetes (serum glucose > 22.2
> mmol/l and/or ketoacid concentrations ? 5 mmol/l), had blood
> sampled prior to insulin therapy. Three groups of subjects
> were studied: ketosis-prone Type 2 diabetes (KPDM2, n = 13)
> with ketoacidosis, non-ketosis-prone subjects with Type 2
> diabetes (DM2, n = 15), and ketotic Type 1 diabetes (n =
> 18).
>
> Results All three groups had similar mean plasma glucose
> concentrations. The degree of ketoacidosis (plasma
> ketoacids, bicarbonate and anion gap) in Type 1 and 2
> subjects was similar."
>
> I totally agree that "Your nurse sounds like a twit".
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:x%sYj.3265$Zy1.3037@trndny05...
> And I am unwilling to try another foreign sounding name unless I have no
> choice.

My endo is "foreign" but she speaks excellent English. She came from India.

There are often ways to look up *where* the doctor is from & where trained.
Some countries produce to-us-"foreign" doctors who speak English about as
well as many Americans do.

Names don't always you anything.

There are American (not even 2nd, but 3rd or more generation) doctors with
"foreign" names.

There are people from anywhere who have changed their names for one reason
or another.

There are women with "foreign" names who just happen to be All-American who
have taken the name of a husband with "foreign" names; or foreign women with
All-American-Husband names.

Have you considered looking for a good internist? That's one certification
short of "endo" but many of them are also very good at seeing the whole
picture & dealing with complex problems. And you might find one that
actually *does* deal with the whole you & pays attention *&* is actually
reachable.
bj

Well i believe its a numbers thing..if your a type two running in the 300's
your likely to get it.

The odds of a type two who just goes high after meals due to poor control
will suffer other issues...


KROM

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lbg534l8le0d0s96sdbikdu53u5qi67iir@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:28:56 -0400, Susan
> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>Julie, EVERYone gets ketones.
>>
>>Type 1s get ketoacidosis.
>>
>>Susan
>
> See my response to Julie. Not just type 1's.
>
> Just to extend that post, here is the result of a Google
> Scholar search on 'ketoacidosis "type 2"':
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4ylmbt
>
> I don't pretend to any expertise in this subject which is
> why I searched., The evidence is overwhelming; it is not
> just a type 1 problem, although it is not common in type 2.
> Thank goodness.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

x-no-archive: yes

krom wrote:
> Well i believe its a numbers thing..if your a type two running in the 300's
> your likely to get it.

Only if you haven't got adequate insulin. It takes some time of both
things being true.

Susan

x-no-archive: yes

bj wrote:
> Alan, I've never even looked up the DKA-T2 issue. But I do keep a box of
> ketostix around because my CDE told me I should have them -- for in case I
> get sick & have high bg's. It seemed to make sense to me. It's just one of
> the many *non-food-related* things I learned in my course.
>
> I've never needed to use my ketostix, but I renew my supply every now & then
> (they aren't immortal!). I do get sick from time to time but don't run high
> bg other than from lack of exercise & concurrent not-cutting-back-on-treats
> syndrome. :-)

Ketoacidosis is probably a result, in type 2, of misdiagnosis and/or
mismanagement, when you considert that it's the result of sustained high
bg and inadequate or no insulin. I think alcohol abuse can complicate
things, too.

When's the last time you heard of a type 2 in ketoacidosis?

Susan

On 5/19/08 11:08 PM, in article eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02, "Julie Bove"
<juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

>
> "Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
> news2q434da3s83tmode7fl5esq3buidoktuj@4ax.com...
>
>> And how's that working out for you, Julie?
>
> Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in years!
> This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me.
>>
>> For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
>> up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
>> because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
>> way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
>> until you are beyond recovery.
>
> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't.
> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
> people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>
>
I don't know why, but I am going to have one last go at waking you up. Alan
tried tough love. I'm going to try the ultimate tough love. You say you love
your daughter and it is very evident you do. You say you are the only one
who knows how to feed and look after her. You take her for dancing lessons
and obviously take very good care of her.

You said you couldn't spend a night away from her because your husband can't
cook anything but eggs. You also say he can't take time off from work
because they are short handed.

Now, I hit you between the eyes! What if you are walking across the street
and are hit by a car and taken to hospital with serious injuries. Or worse
still, are killed. Who is going to look after Angela then? You had better
teach your husband how to look after her, because one day he could be forced
to.

I'm now going to take this to your current problem. If you don't get help to
get your insulin under control, you can end up in hospital without ever
having time to make arrangements for Angela. If you go in in a coma, nobody
is going to check to see if your insurance works or if it close to home. Or
if you have someone you have to care. They'll find that out later. And
remember you can die from ketoacidosis just as easily as by a car.

For heavens sake woman, quit feeling sorry for yourself and worry about
getting well for your family. I know you have many problems, but there are
times we must rise above them to not only care for ourselves but for those
around us.

As a last comment, why does it take you 2 hours to go from Bothell to
Seattle? I can go from Vancouver (25 miles north of the Canada/US border) to
Federal Way south of Seattle in 3 hours. That includes sitting at a dug up
dysfunctional border. It may be painful; it may be uncomfortable but you can
do it if you want to.

--
Martha T2 Canada
1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MMBYj.5758$bG1.5168@trndny04...
>
> "marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:291f6076-13d3-4934-8eea-00a44fe217d2@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 19, 3:16 pm, Trinkwasser <s...@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> SOME of that sounds like a form of food poisoning I've had once or
>>> twice, comes on a few hours after eating, off the top of my head I
>>> can't remember which particular bug.
>>
>> no clue what would have made you nauseous.
>>
>>>
>>> I ended up lying on the bathroom floor soaked in sweat, trembling with
>>> the cold and not knowing which end to point at the porcelain first.
>>
>> I once passed out in a restaurant, the waitresses said I was sweating
>> profusely but yes, my body temperature was really low when I came
>> too. They speculated it might have been a food allergy.
>>
>> when something smells bad, it could make you feel like you will throw
>> up, so it
>> could have been anything
>> some people claim they are allergic to certain perfumes.
>>
>> I know some irritate me.
>>
>> The ones that I am really allergic to are the ones where I can't even
>> smell
>> any floral or similar smell, but rather only the alcohol underlying
>> the perfume
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Add that and the resultant dehydration to your current BG problems and
>>> it's a *possible* reason, in which case the injection problem
>>> mayhavebeencoincidental.
>>
>> For me, they also said that I had hugely dehydrated, not sure how, as
>> I was drinking 3 glasses of water right before it happened. They
>> thought probably I hadn't replenished in time.
>>
>>
>> when it happens twice then I'd worry, but it never happened to me
>> again, so I am not sure which doctor was right or whether anyone was
>> right
>>
>> when i get to feeling weird, I have a Propel water, that usually makes
>> it go away.
>
> I do have food allergies and part of how I felt did feel like an allergic
> reaction but I knew I made all my own food that day. It is indeed a virus
> and now my daughter has it. She got back in bed and went back to
> sleep. That is not like her at all.

Sorry your daughter is sick too, Julie, but at least it solves one mystery.
Hope she feels better soon.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:OmCYj.2867$dh.1167@trnddc05...
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:x%sYj.3265$Zy1.3037@trndny05...
>> And I am unwilling to try another foreign sounding name unless I have no
>> choice.
>
> My endo is "foreign" but she speaks excellent English. She came from
> India.
>
> There are often ways to look up *where* the doctor is from & where
> trained.
> Some countries produce to-us-"foreign" doctors who speak English about as
> well as many Americans do.
>
> Names don't always you anything.
>
> There are American (not even 2nd, but 3rd or more generation) doctors with
> "foreign" names.
>
> There are people from anywhere who have changed their names for one reason
> or another.
>
> There are women with "foreign" names who just happen to be All-American
> who
> have taken the name of a husband with "foreign" names; or foreign women
> with
> All-American-Husband names.
>
> Have you considered looking for a good internist? That's one certification
> short of "endo" but many of them are also very good at seeing the whole
> picture & dealing with complex problems. And you might find one that
> actually *does* deal with the whole you & pays attention *&* is actually
> reachable.

Now I'm going to tell you there are no internists here that take my
insurance. And sure enough as soon as I do this, somebody else will post a
list of all sorts of internists in my area, none of whom take my insurance.
I spent hours on the phone calling people to find out who takes my
insurance. I don't know if an internist will deal with diabetes or not.
None of the GPs I've seen do. They all sent me to an Endo.

My former GP was a DO and I assumed he would address the whole body. He did
not.

"MI" <quilchenapark@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:C45864F4.29FF4%quilchenapark@shaw.ca...
>
>
>
> On 5/19/08 11:08 PM, in article eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02, "Julie Bove"
> <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Oleg Lego" <rat@atatatat.com> wrote in message
>> news2q434da3s83tmode7fl5esq3buidoktuj@4ax.com...
>>
>>> And how's that working out for you, Julie?
>>
>> Very well thank you. I am off the thyroid meds for the first time in
>> years!
>> This is the 4th Endo. I've seen and the only one who has listened to me.
>>>
>>> For the most part, I don't bother responding to you, because you turn
>>> up your nose at any idea presented to you. It's too bad, really,
>>> because I and the rest of us, care. It pains us to see you respond the
>>> way you do. It sounds a lot like you'd rather wallow in self-pity
>>> until you are beyond recovery.
>>
>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>> didn't.
>> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
>> people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>>
>>
> I don't know why, but I am going to have one last go at waking you up.
> Alan
> tried tough love. I'm going to try the ultimate tough love. You say you
> love
> your daughter and it is very evident you do. You say you are the only one
> who knows how to feed and look after her. You take her for dancing lessons
> and obviously take very good care of her.
>
> You said you couldn't spend a night away from her because your husband
> can't
> cook anything but eggs. You also say he can't take time off from work
> because they are short handed.
>
> Now, I hit you between the eyes! What if you are walking across the street
> and are hit by a car and taken to hospital with serious injuries. Or worse
> still, are killed. Who is going to look after Angela then? You had better
> teach your husband how to look after her, because one day he could be
> forced
> to.

Then if he is forced to, he will have to. But now there is nothing *I* can
teach him and I am really getting sick of this unwanted advice!
>
> I'm now going to take this to your current problem. If you don't get help
> to
> get your insulin under control, you can end up in hospital without ever
> having time to make arrangements for Angela. If you go in in a coma,
> nobody
> is going to check to see if your insurance works or if it close to home.
> Or
> if you have someone you have to care. They'll find that out later. And
> remember you can die from ketoacidosis just as easily as by a car.

I do not think I can get ketoacidocis, unless perhaps I am really a type 1
and given my body type and the length of time I've had diabetes, I do not
thing so.
>
> For heavens sake woman, quit feeling sorry for yourself and worry about
> getting well for your family. I know you have many problems, but there are
> times we must rise above them to not only care for ourselves but for those
> around us.
>
I am not feeling sorry for myself and I laugh at your statement because I
don't believe in God.

> As a last comment, why does it take you 2 hours to go from Bothell to
> Seattle? I can go from Vancouver (25 miles north of the Canada/US border)
> to
> Federal Way south of Seattle in 3 hours. That includes sitting at a dug up
> dysfunctional border. It may be painful; it may be uncomfortable but you
> can
> do it if you want to.

I do not drive on the freeway.