Bad reaction to insulin? Hypo?

Johnnie McCoy wrote in message


>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>
>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>
>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding,
darlin' -
>we love you)*
>
>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>
>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*


But which *two* does she love? ;-) Little bit of humor there.

Cheri

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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>
> Johnnie McCoy wrote in message
>
>
>>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>>
>>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>>
>>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding,
> darlin' -
>>we love you)*
>>
>>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>>
>>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>
>
> But which *two* does she love? ;-) Little bit of humor there.
>
> Cheri
>
>
Asshole! - - I was waiting for that -

John

Johnnie McCoy wrote in message ...
>
>
>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:6ZydnU-iRP0W9K7VnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>
>> Johnnie McCoy wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>>>
>>>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>>>
>>>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding,
>> darlin' -
>>>we love you)*
>>>
>>>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>>>
>>>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>>
>>
>> But which *two* does she love? ;-) Little bit of humor there.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>Asshole! - - I was waiting for that -
>
>John


LOL, at least you didn't call me a *pompous asshole.* ;-)

Cheri

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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>
> Johnnie McCoy wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>>news:6ZydnU-iRP0W9K7VnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@softcom.net...
>>>
>>> Johnnie McCoy wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>>>>
>>>>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>>>>
>>>>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding,
>>> darlin' -
>>>>we love you)*
>>>>
>>>>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>>>>
>>>>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>>>
>>>
>>> But which *two* does she love? ;-) Little bit of humor there.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>Asshole! - - I was waiting for that -
>>
>>John
>
>
> LOL, at least you didn't call me a *pompous asshole.* ;-)
>
> Cheri
>
>
Damn.... I forgot that part -

John

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Alan S wrote:
>
>> I can't handle this.
>
> That's your shortcoming.
>
>
>>> You have a death-wish.
>
> This was rude, unfounded and a slap at someone whose shoes you've never
> walked in.
>
Thanks.
>
>>
>> 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies.
>>
>> I'm really sorry to say that.
>>
>
> If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it.

My thoughts exactly.
>
> Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes
> others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's
> her business.

Thanks.

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> MI wrote:
>
>>
>> Add me to the list. I agree with you.
>>
>
> There is no list, just a bunch of sanctimony.

Thanks.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
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>
> Julie Bove wrote in message ...
>
>>So if you don't see me back here, it's because I decided I don't need
> it any
>>more. I really don't know. I have been here for about 10 years.
> But this
>>is not the same place as it once was.
>
>
> That would be a shame Julie. Overall, there is a lot of good
> information here, and I think we all benefit from hearing others
> experiences, even if it doesn't apply to us. I have learned a lot
> about gastropareisis, food allergies, and things like that from your
> experiences, and hope you keep posting. Take care.

Thanks.

In article <eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02>,
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I didn't.
> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
> people for ideas. That's just not my style.

I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just
venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and
people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me alone.
Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see how to do
anything else, and when you're not looking for solutions, it can be
horribly annoying to be inundated with them.

At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person starving
when one can see food within a distance from them that one could reach
-- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person can reach that
far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if one doesn't listen to
the person when they say, "I cannot reach that far."

It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the person cannot
envision or do what one can easily envision or even do. Sometimes one
cannot do anything other than watch someone starve to death. It's sad,
but it may not be possible for everyone to do what everyone else thinks
would solve their problems. Then one has to choose to watch or turn
away. The most compassionate thing to do is to offer to hold their hand
as they die of starvation, but most are not strong enough for that.

Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes the starving person figures
out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't.

Priscilla

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-4295C4.21500220052008@individual.net...
> In article <eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02>,
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>> didn't.
>> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't ask
>> people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>
> I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just
> venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and
> people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me alone.
> Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see how to do
> anything else, and when you're not looking for solutions, it can be
> horribly annoying to be inundated with them.
>
> At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person starving
> when one can see food within a distance from them that one could reach
> -- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person can reach that
> far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if one doesn't listen to
> the person when they say, "I cannot reach that far."
>
> It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the person cannot
> envision or do what one can easily envision or even do. Sometimes one
> cannot do anything other than watch someone starve to death. It's sad,
> but it may not be possible for everyone to do what everyone else thinks
> would solve their problems. Then one has to choose to watch or turn
> away. The most compassionate thing to do is to offer to hold their hand
> as they die of starvation, but most are not strong enough for that.
>
> Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes the starving person figures
> out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't.

That is true too.

When I was growing up, my mom had a fear of driving. At first she could
not do it at all. But my brother had serious medical problems and came
close to dying on many occasions. Or so I was told. She decided she needed
to learn to drive to get him to the Dr. so my dad didn't have to take off of
work. She managed to do this okay, I guess, when we lived in Wichita.

Then we moved to WA. No more driving on slow country roads. There were
busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would she drive on
the freeway. So unless my dad drove us somewhere, we learned to live in a
little square of about 2 or maybe 3 miles from our house. Our Drs. and
dentists were there, and for a while we had a dept. and dime store nearby.
Plenty of grocery and drug stores. And my dad was born to shop so on the
weekends we went to whatever other places she needed to go and couldn't get
to.

So perhaps because of my mother's attitude and the way she freaked out at
the mere thought of driving somewhere out of her comfort zone, this sort of
thing seems perfectly normal to me.

I have four friends who all feel this same way. For the most part we stay
within a few miles of our houses and can pretty much manage to get what we
need there. Or occasionally get someone to give us a ride somewhere else.
We have one mutual friend who loves to drive and doesn't mind driving long
distances, but going anywhere with her is risky. She does not take care of
her car and it has been known to break down in bad places. Plus she works
two jobs and finding a time when she could give someone a ride is not very
likely.

None of us see each other in person much any more. Why? We all (for
various reasons) live in different cities. When we met, we all lived in
Seattle. Now none of us do. When I moved back here from NY, I asked my
friend who lives in Everett if she knew where my Endo. was located. She did
not. It was not near her condo. and she had never been to that part of the
city. Luckily my dad figured it out since he worked in that city and knew
it pretty well.

My address is in Bothell, but I am just a hop skip and a yodel from Mill
Creek. I know that the next city over from Mill Creek is Everett. So I
kept asking my friend if she was anywhere near that? She didn't know and
implied that it was far away. She wanted to meet me somewhere for lunch but
she didn't know how we were going to do this because I didn't know anywhere
in Everett (not in the area where she lived anyway) and she didn't know Mill
Creek at all.

So I attempted a Mapquest to a restaurant on the main drag in Mill Creek.
As I said before I am useless when it comes to maps and even have a hard
time with the driving directions. I don't know streets and if I am going to
drive somewhere unfamiliar, the only way I can do it is to have someone else
drive the route while I write down the directions, using landmarks and such
as opposed to street names and numbers.

But this time it was amazingly simple. All she had to do was go down one
road, then make a left turn onto the main highway then follow it about 2
miles and make a left turn anywhere into the large, winding shopping
complex. But she was not so easy to convince.

We did have lunch but she had trouble following the directions and turned at
the wrong place. And it appeared that the short drive was very stressful
for her.

Perhaps the reason we all got together to begin with is that we have this
driving thing in common. None of us can read maps or follow street signs.
We all do the same thing when we are trying to go somewhere. None of us
gets upset if we can't go somewhere because it is out of our comfort zone
for driving. We just find somewhere else we can go for the most part.

I guess if you are not like this, you wouldn't understand. I don't know...
I learned a long time ago not to try to change people. They can do things I
can't. They are comfortable with things I am not. And not comfortable with
things I am. Like speaking in public or being onstage. We're all
different. If we weren't, the world would be a pretty boring place!

On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:51:03 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>MI wrote:
>
>>
>> Add me to the list. I agree with you.
>>
>
>There is no list, just a bunch of sanctimony.
>
>Susan

Would you mind expanding on that please. I hope I'm
misunderstanding you.

Alan, T2, Australia.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 16:57:40 -0700, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

>
>Susan wrote in message
>
>>Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes
>>others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times,
>it's
>>her business.
>>
>>Susan
>
>Heard that. I don't have any of the conditions (other than diabetes)
>that Julie has, so I can't comment on many of her health problems, but
>I definitely sympathize with them.
>
>Cheri
>
So do I. If I didn't care I'd never have written what I did.

But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death
and taxes; when nothing can be done. There are things which
can be done in this case.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:50:29 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Alan S wrote:
>
>> I can't handle this.
>
>That's your shortcoming.
>
>
>>> You have a death-wish.
>
>This was rude, unfounded and a slap at someone whose shoes you've never
>walked in.
>
>
>>
>> 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies.
>>
>> I'm really sorry to say that.
>>
>>
>
>If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it.
>
>Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes
>others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's
>her business.
>
>Susan

OK. Now I understand what you meant. I don't agree, but I'll
leave it there. Arguing further on that point will not lead
to either of us changing our minds and, more importantly,
will not help Julie.

Alan

On Wed, 21 May 2008 00:01:10 GMT, "Johnnie McCoy"
<johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

>> And now I'm going out and getting on with my life.
>>
>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>
>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>
>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding, darlin' -
>we love you)*
>
>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>
>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>
>Then everyone trots, happily back to the group.
>
>John

Just kidding? I would never, ever suggest that to my worst
enemy, let alone someone I actually care about.

It's because I want the opposite of that that I wrote what I
did. How on earth my posts could lead to that impression is
beyond me.

I was out of it until these last few posts turned up. Now
I'm out of it for good. I wish nobody ill and I particularly
wish Julie to get the best possible care. It just seems that
I want it more than she does. It just took me a hile to
understand that.

Alan, T2, Australia.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 19:50:29 -0400, Susan posted:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Alan S wrote:
>
>> I can't handle this.
>
>That's your shortcoming.
>
>
>>> You have a death-wish.
>
>This was rude, unfounded and a slap at someone whose shoes you've never
>walked in.
>
>
>>
>> 'bye Julie. I'll see you by proxy, in other's replies.
>>
>> I'm really sorry to say that.
>>
>>
>
>If you were sorry, you wouldn't have said it.
>
>Whatever keeps Julie from taking certain steps or making the changes
>others (including me at times) would like to see her make at times, it's
>her business.

Indeed it is, and I, for one, will leave her to her own business. She
will handle it in her own way, with or without me reading her posts or
replying to them.


--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-4295C4.21500220052008@individual.net...
>> In article <eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02>,
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>>> didn't.
>>> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't
>>> ask people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>>
>> I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just
>> venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and
>> people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me alone.
>> Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see how to do
>> anything else, and when you're not looking for solutions, it can be
>> horribly annoying to be inundated with them.
>>
>> At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person
>> starving when one can see food within a distance from them that one
>> could reach -- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person
>> can reach that far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if one
>> doesn't listen to the person when they say, "I cannot reach that
>> far." It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the person
>> cannot envision or do what one can easily envision or even do. Sometimes
>> one cannot do anything other than watch someone starve to
>> death. It's sad, but it may not be possible for everyone to do what
>> everyone else thinks would solve their problems. Then one has to
>> choose to watch or turn away. The most compassionate thing to do is
>> to offer to hold their hand as they die of starvation, but most are
>> not strong enough for that. Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes
>> the starving person
>> figures out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't.
>
> That is true too.
>
> When I was growing up, my mom had a fear of driving. At first she
> could not do it at all. But my brother had serious medical problems
> and came close to dying on many occasions. Or so I was told. She
> decided she needed to learn to drive to get him to the Dr. so my dad
> didn't have to take off of work. She managed to do this okay, I
> guess, when we lived in Wichita.
> Then we moved to WA. No more driving on slow country roads. There
> were busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would she
> drive on the freeway.

But if another of her cubs had become ill she would have done it. Its
amazing what one can do for a child when they "can't" for themselves.
Not long after I moved to where I live now, about 1 hour's drive from the
outskirts of Sydney, along a large, busy freeway, I had a major panic attack
on the freeway. I had to wait for someone to come and drive me home. For
years I never got into a car as a driver - even on my local, not busy roads.
I even went so far as to pay a lady to drive my kids to and from school and
preschool, 5 days a week. Then Jasmine was born with major heart defects
which required her to see cardiologists and surgeons in Syndey. An hour down
the freeway and another 30 mins of driving in heavy, city traffic. I didn't
think twice, I got straight in the car again, for her Sydney trips, her
local (and many) doctor, specialist, therapy visits.

If Angela was gravely ill and the only treatment she could get was for you
to drive on that freeway to Seattle you would do it. I think Angela would
like to think that you would find proper medical treatment, at any cost, to
stay alive for her. You mentioned in one of your posts that you won't die
of high bg's. A friend of mine who was running similar numbers to yours had
a stroke at age 30 from high bg's - there are immediate as well as long term
consequences of diabetes. People here aren't trying to urge you too seek
better care because you "just" have high bg's, they do it because they KNOW
you are going to suffer greatly sooner rather than later from the effects of
these high, prolonged bg's. Often the first inkling a person has that they
are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find out.
Reading between the lines, you and Angela just have each other, be there for
that little kid of yours - whatever it takes. There is no greater
incentive. If Jasmine gets dropped home to her brothers after school and I
am not home she sits in a corner and doesn't speak, eat, play, nothing. It
is her way of saying that I am her life. There is nothing I wouldn't do for
that little kid (or the rest of my kids).

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69i2ubF32qjinU1@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vze23t8n-4295C4.21500220052008@individual.net...
>>> In article <eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02>,
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>>>> didn't.
>>>> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't
>>>> ask people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>>>
>>> I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just
>>> venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and
>>> people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me alone.
>>> Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see how to do
>>> anything else, and when you're not looking for solutions, it can be
>>> horribly annoying to be inundated with them.
>>>
>>> At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person
>>> starving when one can see food within a distance from them that one
>>> could reach -- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person
>>> can reach that far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if one
>>> doesn't listen to the person when they say, "I cannot reach that
>>> far." It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the person
>>> cannot envision or do what one can easily envision or even do. Sometimes
>>> one cannot do anything other than watch someone starve to
>>> death. It's sad, but it may not be possible for everyone to do what
>>> everyone else thinks would solve their problems. Then one has to
>>> choose to watch or turn away. The most compassionate thing to do is
>>> to offer to hold their hand as they die of starvation, but most are
>>> not strong enough for that. Then again, if one sticks around, sometimes
>>> the starving person
>>> figures out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't.
>>
>> That is true too.
>>
>> When I was growing up, my mom had a fear of driving. At first she
>> could not do it at all. But my brother had serious medical problems
>> and came close to dying on many occasions. Or so I was told. She
>> decided she needed to learn to drive to get him to the Dr. so my dad
>> didn't have to take off of work. She managed to do this okay, I
>> guess, when we lived in Wichita.
>> Then we moved to WA. No more driving on slow country roads. There
>> were busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would she
>> drive on the freeway.
>
> But if another of her cubs had become ill she would have done it. Its
> amazing what one can do for a child when they "can't" for themselves.
> Not long after I moved to where I live now, about 1 hour's drive from the
> outskirts of Sydney, along a large, busy freeway, I had a major panic
> attack on the freeway. I had to wait for someone to come and drive me
> home. For years I never got into a car as a driver - even on my local, not
> busy roads. I even went so far as to pay a lady to drive my kids to and
> from school and preschool, 5 days a week. Then Jasmine was born with major
> heart defects which required her to see cardiologists and surgeons in
> Syndey. An hour down the freeway and another 30 mins of driving in heavy,
> city traffic. I didn't think twice, I got straight in the car again, for
> her Sydney trips, her local (and many) doctor, specialist, therapy visits.
>
> If Angela was gravely ill and the only treatment she could get was for you
> to drive on that freeway to Seattle you would do it. I think Angela would
> like to think that you would find proper medical treatment, at any cost,
> to stay alive for her. You mentioned in one of your posts that you won't
> die of high bg's. A friend of mine who was running similar numbers to
> yours had a stroke at age 30 from high bg's - there are immediate as well
> as long term consequences of diabetes. People here aren't trying to urge
> you too seek better care because you "just" have high bg's, they do it
> because they KNOW you are going to suffer greatly sooner rather than later
> from the effects of these high, prolonged bg's. Often the first inkling a
> person has that they are diabetic is when they have that first heart
> attack. Bad way to find out. Reading between the lines, you and Angela
> just have each other, be there for that little kid of yours - whatever it
> takes. There is no greater incentive. If Jasmine gets dropped home to
> her brothers after school and I am not home she sits in a corner and
> doesn't speak, eat, play, nothing. It is her way of saying that I am her
> life. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that little kid (or the rest of
> my kids).

I can't see why she would ever have to go to Seattle. There's a perfectly
good hospital in Edmonds. But if she did... Her dad would take her. I
most likely would not.

As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I trust
the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that got my thyroid
in order.

Also, other people here have told me it can take 3 months to get the dose of
insulin right.

I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's not
like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin.

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jv3734ljtk0bpaafetc8nsnl3bancqk2st@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 00:01:10 GMT, "Johnnie McCoy"
> <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> And now I'm going out and getting on with my life.
>>>
>>Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>>
>>How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>>
>>*Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding, darlin' -
>>we love you)*
>>
>>Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>>
>>*Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>>
>>Then everyone trots, happily back to the group.
>>
>>John
>
> Just kidding? I would never, ever suggest that to my worst
> enemy, let alone someone I actually care about.
>
> Alan,
>
It's an American thing, Alan. Next time you meet an American, give em a big
smile and say, "Hi there Mate. Fuck you." It's how we bond. Trust me.

John

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> news:69i2ubF32qjinU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vze23t8n-4295C4.21500220052008@individual.net...
>>>> In article <eVtYj.56$5H5.23@trndny02>,
>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well... If I had asked for ideas, then that would be one thing. I
>>>>> didn't.
>>>>> I asked if anyone had had this reaction before. I generally don't
>>>>> ask people for ideas. That's just not my style.
>>>>
>>>> I sympathize. There have been times on newsgroups when I was just
>>>> venting or sharing and got piled on with advice. Made me crazy and
>>>> people couldn't understand why I was telling them to leave me
>>>> alone. Some people are so solution oriented that they can't see
>>>> how to do anything else, and when you're not looking for
>>>> solutions, it can be horribly annoying to be inundated with them.
>>>>
>>>> At the same time, it can be very hard for one to see a person
>>>> starving when one can see food within a distance from them that one
>>>> could reach -- so why can't they? One assumes the starving person
>>>> can reach that far, too, and the frustration can reach a peak if
>>>> one doesn't listen to the person when they say, "I cannot reach
>>>> that far." It takes a huge amount of detachment to recognize that the
>>>> person cannot envision or do what one can easily envision or even
>>>> do. Sometimes one cannot do anything other than watch someone
>>>> starve to death. It's sad, but it may not be possible for everyone to
>>>> do
>>>> what everyone else thinks would solve their problems. Then one
>>>> has to choose to watch or turn away. The most compassionate thing
>>>> to do is to offer to hold their hand as they die of starvation, but
>>>> most are
>>>> not strong enough for that. Then again, if one sticks around,
>>>> sometimes the starving person
>>>> figures out how to reach that food they thought they couldn't.
>>>
>>> That is true too.
>>>
>>> When I was growing up, my mom had a fear of driving. At first she
>>> could not do it at all. But my brother had serious medical problems
>>> and came close to dying on many occasions. Or so I was told. She
>>> decided she needed to learn to drive to get him to the Dr. so my dad
>>> didn't have to take off of work. She managed to do this okay, I
>>> guess, when we lived in Wichita.
>>> Then we moved to WA. No more driving on slow country roads. There
>>> were busy roads to cross and cross them she would not. Nor would
>>> she drive on the freeway.
>>
>> But if another of her cubs had become ill she would have done it. Its
>> amazing what one can do for a child when they "can't" for themselves.
>> Not long after I moved to where I live now, about 1 hour's drive
>> from the outskirts of Sydney, along a large, busy freeway, I had a
>> major panic attack on the freeway. I had to wait for someone to come
>> and drive me home. For years I never got into a car as a driver -
>> even on my local, not busy roads. I even went so far as to pay a
>> lady to drive my kids to and from school and preschool, 5 days a
>> week. Then Jasmine was born with major heart defects which required
>> her to see cardiologists and surgeons in Syndey. An hour down the
>> freeway and another 30 mins of driving in heavy, city traffic. I
>> didn't think twice, I got straight in the car again, for her Sydney
>> trips, her local (and many) doctor, specialist, therapy visits. If Angela
>> was gravely ill and the only treatment she could get was
>> for you to drive on that freeway to Seattle you would do it. I think
>> Angela would like to think that you would find proper medical
>> treatment, at any cost, to stay alive for her. You mentioned in one
>> of your posts that you won't die of high bg's. A friend of mine who
>> was running similar numbers to yours had a stroke at age 30 from
>> high bg's - there are immediate as well as long term consequences of
>> diabetes. People here aren't trying to urge you too seek better care
>> because you "just" have high bg's, they do it because they KNOW you
>> are going to suffer greatly sooner rather than later from the
>> effects of these high, prolonged bg's. Often the first inkling a
>> person has that they are diabetic is when they have that first heart
>> attack. Bad way to find out. Reading between the lines, you and
>> Angela just have each other, be there for that little kid of yours -
>> whatever it takes. There is no greater incentive. If Jasmine gets
>> dropped home to her brothers after school and I am not home she sits
>> in a corner and doesn't speak, eat, play, nothing. It is her way of
>> saying that I am her life. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that
>> little kid (or the rest of my kids).
>
> I can't see why she would ever have to go to Seattle. There's a
> perfectly good hospital in Edmonds. But if she did... Her dad would
> take her. I most likely would not.

If heaven forbid she got cancer, there is no way she could be treated in
anything less than a major kid's hospital. I really can't see you sending
Angela off to hospital for 6 months at a time for chemo with her dad and not
you, seriously.

My local hospital for 150,000 people - about 5 times the population of
Bothell, wouldn't ever admit a child period for anything. All kids needing
hospitalisation get transported to a hospital further south or to a kids
hospital if the illness or accident is severe. I am not talking breaking an
arm or an asthma attack etc. I talking really serious stuff, I bet you would
do it.

> As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I
> trust the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that
> got my thyroid in order.
>
> Also, other people here have told me it can take 3 months to get the
> dose of insulin right.

I have seen too much insulin in a type 2 have the opposite effect where
lowering the insulin considerably often has the desired effect. Every day
your bg stays in the range it is now you are a walking time bomb.

> I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's
> not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin.

There are doctors who would not have let you keep going on for this long at
those numbers and raising Lantus to the stratosphere. Also Lantus often just
doesn't work for some diabetics. My endo for example wouldn't let me go a
week at those numbers without taking some kind of emergency measures. My
endo would also not even consider having a nurse do all the work he gets
paid for. My GP has a nurse but she is there to take bp, weigh people, give
pap smears, check feet etc.

My endo has over ridden the advice of his "junior" when the junior was
standing in for him occasionally. In my early diabetic days my endo rang me
twice to say he wanted me to do xyz and not abc as his junior had advised.
If he has someone work in his absence he reads all the patient's notes for
the appointments he was not there for. I wouldn't have put up with the way
your endo does things for a heartbeat. My health is way too important to me.

Johnnie McCoy wrote:
> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:jv3734ljtk0bpaafetc8nsnl3bancqk2st@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 00:01:10 GMT, "Johnnie McCoy"
>> <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> And now I'm going out and getting on with my life.
>>>>
>>> Instead of "going out and getting on with my life," I have an idea.
>>>
>>> How about everyone, except Julie, copy/paste the following:
>>>
>>> *Julie, I hope you die a long and lingering death (just kidding,
>>> darlin' - we love you)*
>>>
>>> Then, Julie, you copy/paste the following:
>>>
>>> *Fuck You! (just kidding, guys - I love you two)*
>>>
>>> Then everyone trots, happily back to the group.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Just kidding? I would never, ever suggest that to my worst
>> enemy, let alone someone I actually care about.
>>
>> Alan,
>>
> It's an American thing, Alan. Next time you meet an American, give em
> a big smile and say, "Hi there Mate. Fuck you." It's how we bond.


Actually I have found it to be the opposite, where do you live again? I
recall we have had this conversation in this group before. Typically Aussies
have friendly ribbing sessions amongst their own kind - a lot of folk don't
understand this kind of stuff.

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Alan S wrote:

> But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death
> and taxes; when nothing can be done.

Yours is, maybe.


There are things which
> can be done in this case.

You've made it clear that your compassion is conditional. Nuff said.

Susan

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Julie Bove wrote:

> I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's not
> like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin.
>
>

Julie, I can answer that; I think another doctor might be more diligent
in finding the root cause of your illness. Diabetes seems to be a side
effect, not the cause of what's going on with you.

You describe a nocturnal life and symptoms of VERY advanced Cushing's
disease or other pituitary/adrenal probs. I had to fly from NY to CA to
find someone to capably guide my diagnostic process, you live near one
of our two best pituitary docs. I know you have Cushingoid signs that
are blatant because most docs never even test for it or consider it.

Whether or not you choose to seek more expert care is your business, but
that's my answer to your question.

Susan

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69icnrF336mcvU1@mid.individual.net...

>
> If heaven forbid she got cancer, there is no way she could be treated in
> anything less than a major kid's hospital. I really can't see you sending
> Angela off to hospital for 6 months at a time for chemo with her dad and
> not you, seriously.

There is a major cancer center in Edmonds.
>
> My local hospital for 150,000 people - about 5 times the population of
> Bothell, wouldn't ever admit a child period for anything. All kids needing
> hospitalisation get transported to a hospital further south or to a kids
> hospital if the illness or accident is severe. I am not talking breaking
> an arm or an asthma attack etc. I talking really serious stuff, I bet you
> would do it.

That's odd. She has been to the hospital in Edmonds many times. They have
no problems with children.
>
>> As I said before... I have more to consider than just diabetes. I
>> trust the Endo. I am seeing now. He is the ONLY one I've seen that
>> got my thyroid in order.
>>
>> Also, other people here have told me it can take 3 months to get the
>> dose of insulin right.
>
> I have seen too much insulin in a type 2 have the opposite effect where
> lowering the insulin considerably often has the desired effect. Every day
> your bg stays in the range it is now you are a walking time bomb.

Well, it hasn't stayed there. It came down some yesterday and now this
morning it is where it should be. For whatever reason I do not know.

>> I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's
>> not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin.
>
> There are doctors who would not have let you keep going on for this long
> at those numbers and raising Lantus to the stratosphere. Also Lantus often
> just doesn't work for some diabetics. My endo for example wouldn't let me
> go a week at those numbers without taking some kind of emergency measures.
> My endo would also not even consider having a nurse do all the work he
> gets paid for. My GP has a nurse but she is there to take bp, weigh
> people, give pap smears, check feet etc.

The nurse does not work for my Endo. She works for the hospital. From what
I gather, this is typical of how things work in this country.
>
> My endo has over ridden the advice of his "junior" when the junior was
> standing in for him occasionally. In my early diabetic days my endo rang
> me twice to say he wanted me to do xyz and not abc as his junior had
> advised. If he has someone work in his absence he reads all the patient's
> notes for the appointments he was not there for. I wouldn't have put up
> with the way your endo does things for a heartbeat. My health is way too
> important to me.

My Endo. has no Jr. There is only him. You can say that all you want. You
and others will chastise me for not taking enough action and others here
will and have chastised me for complaining and expecting too much of the Dr.
So I can't win with ya'll.

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:69imdgF33hq3jU1@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I don't know what you people think another Dr. can/will do for me. It's
>> not like they will give me the instant right dose of insulin.
>
> Julie, I can answer that; I think another doctor might be more diligent in
> finding the root cause of your illness. Diabetes seems to be a side
> effect, not the cause of what's going on with you.
>
> You describe a nocturnal life and symptoms of VERY advanced Cushing's
> disease or other pituitary/adrenal probs. I had to fly from NY to CA to
> find someone to capably guide my diagnostic process, you live near one of
> our two best pituitary docs. I know you have Cushingoid signs that are
> blatant because most docs never even test for it or consider it.
>
> Whether or not you choose to seek more expert care is your business, but
> that's my answer to your question.

My Dr. did test me for it.

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Julie Bove wrote:

> My Dr. did test me for it.
>
>

Yes, Julie, I know. But many, if not most, CD patients have to be
tested for months to years before nailing down the dx, and your doctor
doesn't seem to know that. The one in Seattle does. He makes initial
phone appts. to screen and advise about whether coming to Seattle is
worthwhile. The testing is in patient, so you would not have to
commute, just be gotten there.

Susan

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:69iuiqF33kujbU1@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> My Dr. did test me for it.
>
> Yes, Julie, I know. But many, if not most, CD patients have to be tested
> for months to years before nailing down the dx, and your doctor doesn't
> seem to know that. The one in Seattle does. He makes initial phone
> appts. to screen and advise about whether coming to Seattle is worthwhile.
> The testing is in patient, so you would not have to commute, just be
> gotten there.

Okay.

Ozgirl wrote in message <69icrlF308ud8U1@mid.individual.net>...
>Johnnie McCoy wrote:
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> Just kidding? I would never, ever suggest that to my worst
>>> enemy, let alone someone I actually care about.
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>> It's an American thing, Alan. Next time you meet an American, give
em
>> a big smile and say, "Hi there Mate. Fuck you." It's how we bond.
>
>
>Actually I have found it to be the opposite, where do you live again?
I
>recall we have had this conversation in this group before. Typically
Aussies
>have friendly ribbing sessions amongst their own kind - a lot of folk
don't
>understand this kind of stuff.

I'm sure Alan was referring to the "I hope you die a long and
lingering death" as the statement that he would never say as just
kidding.

Cheri

>Alan S wrote:
>
>> But sympathy is an emotion that apples to things like death
>> and taxes; when nothing can be done

All individuals decide for themselves what they can and cannot do
Alan, and someone doesn't have to bend to my will for me to be
sympathetic to their plight. You put your best information out there,
and people decide what they want to do with it, or even if it is the
best information for them. No reason to take it personally if they
don't IMO. :-)

Cheri

On Mon, 19 May 2008 19:18:37 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
wrote:

>The nurse said type 2's do not get ketones. She said we get something else,
>similar.

That is not true. I was showing signs of ketoacidosis at dx, with bgs
regularly in the kind of numbers you're in, low 300s.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:04:36 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
wrote:

>
>Julie Bove wrote in message ...
>
>>So if you don't see me back here, it's because I decided I don't need
>it any
>>more. I really don't know. I have been here for about 10 years.
>But this
>>is not the same place as it once was.
>
>
>That would be a shame Julie. Overall, there is a lot of good
>information here, and I think we all benefit from hearing others
>experiences, even if it doesn't apply to us. I have learned a lot
>about gastropareisis, food allergies, and things like that from your
>experiences, and hope you keep posting. Take care.

Yep. What she said.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25