Bad reaction to insulin? Hypo?

On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:29:14 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:


>Bad Manner(s) are personal to the doctor, not because he's Chinese but
>because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that are
>just as bad.
>bj

Amen to that.

In article <AX%Yj.2899$5H5.2434@trndny02>,
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

> "krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g121fh$89j$1@aioe.org...
> > Not here..the nurse comes in takes yer vitals and asks general questions
> > and later comes the doctor who double checks and asks more questions and
> > then dispenses advice/meds/treatment.
> >
> > I have NEVER been to any clinic and only seen a nurse..
>
> This isn't a clinic. It's a hospital diabetes program. It is run by two
> nurses.

Not to mention for years my PCP was a nurse. A nurse practioner, but a
nurse. I got all my care from them, including prescriptions, and they
were as good as doctors. This was years before my diagnosis. Nurses
are doing more and more these days.

Priscilla, T2

In article <69jgi3F32rfb9U1@mid.individual.net>,
Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> krom wrote:
> > I was not very clear..sombody like me who was sick for a month or so before
> > dx could have possible damage from runing high and i did such as blurred
> > vision...rashes..swelling up like a balloon and all the other common
> > complications.
> >
> > Julie was saying she running high for a while and i mean that a person
> > runing say 300's for months and months could very well develope
> > ketoacidoses
> > regarless if they are type one or two.
>
>
> It's true that sustained high bg levels can lead to ketoacidosis, but
> unless I misremember what I read years ago, it's also dependent upon an
> absence of insulin, not just high bg, unless the bg is caused by an
> absence of insulin.

I believe you are correct, which is why for a T2 to have ketoacidosis
they must have burned out all their beta cells, or at least most of them.

Priscilla, T2

Julie Bove wrote:
> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:Ku0Zj.7615$HJ5.1481@trnddc01...
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:R_%Yj.6701$bG1.5105@trndny04...
>>> That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him. He
>>> seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue what
>>> he was saying because he was speaking Chinese.
>>>
>>> With me, he said I couldn't possibly have the symptoms I did, and yelled
>>> at me until I was in tears. Then he insisted I go on antidepressants and
>>> wrote a scathing 2 page letter to my Drs. pretty much telling them I was
>>> crazy. One Dr. began reading the letter in front of me, then slammed it
>>> down, told me I didn't need to hear the rest and warned me not to go back
>>> to him.
>>>
>>> In the end, the diagnosis he put down on my chart was not even what he
>>> told me that I had! He told me I had Fibromyalgia but put down Psoriatic
>>> Arthritis. That left me not knowing what my problem was.
>> Bad Manner(s) are personal to the doctor, not because he's Chinese but
>> because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that are
>> just as bad.
>
> I know. But he is not the only foreign Dr. I've seen, and of them, only one
> was good. I just have a problem when the person I am seeing can not
> understand me or I can not understand them. I even had problems
> understanding the one that I thought was good.
>
>
opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak English
very well, the French assistant who struggles with english, or the
Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and explains
things to me............. i communicate with all of these people and we
solve whatever the problem is
dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist who
does the BEST dental work i have had in my life

i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
regularily enough to remember their names

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <69jgi3F32rfb9U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> krom wrote:
>>> I was not very clear..sombody like me who was sick for a month or
>>> so before dx could have possible damage from runing high and i did
>>> such as blurred vision...rashes..swelling up like a balloon and all
>>> the other common complications.
>>>
>>> Julie was saying she running high for a while and i mean that a
>>> person runing say 300's for months and months could very well
>>> develope ketoacidoses
>>> regarless if they are type one or two.
>>
>>
>> It's true that sustained high bg levels can lead to ketoacidosis, but
>> unless I misremember what I read years ago, it's also dependent upon
>> an absence of insulin, not just high bg, unless the bg is caused by
>> an absence of insulin.
>
> I believe you are correct, which is why for a T2 to have ketoacidosis
> they must have burned out all their beta cells, or at least most of
> them.

Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close. Her bg
patterns are starting to indicate that.

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:69k8fjF32v9buU1@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
>> news:Ku0Zj.7615$HJ5.1481@trnddc01...
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:R_%Yj.6701$bG1.5105@trndny04...
>>>> That Rheumatologist I saw in San Francisco may as well have been him.
>>>> He seemed pleasant enough to his Chinese patients, but I have no clue
>>>> what he was saying because he was speaking Chinese.
>>>>
>>>> With me, he said I couldn't possibly have the symptoms I did, and
>>>> yelled at me until I was in tears. Then he insisted I go on
>>>> antidepressants and wrote a scathing 2 page letter to my Drs. pretty
>>>> much telling them I was crazy. One Dr. began reading the letter in
>>>> front of me, then slammed it down, told me I didn't need to hear the
>>>> rest and warned me not to go back to him.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, the diagnosis he put down on my chart was not even what he
>>>> told me that I had! He told me I had Fibromyalgia but put down
>>>> Psoriatic Arthritis. That left me not knowing what my problem was.
>>> Bad Manner(s) are personal to the doctor, not because he's Chinese but
>>> because he's that way. There are All-American Home Grown doctors that
>>> are just as bad.
>>
>> I know. But he is not the only foreign Dr. I've seen, and of them, only
>> one was good. I just have a problem when the person I am seeing can not
>> understand me or I can not understand them. I even had problems
>> understanding the one that I thought was good.
> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
> internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
> pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak English
> very well, the French assistant who struggles with english, or the Chinese
> fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and explains things to
> me............. i communicate with all of these people and we solve
> whatever the problem is
> dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist who
> does the BEST dental work i have had in my life
>
> i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
> regularily enough to remember their names

Well, I'm glad you've had good luck with that. I had forgotten about the
horrid foreign dentist I had in NY. Nobody knew where she was from. You
could not understand her at all. She refused to do an XRay on me even
though I'd been hit in the side of the head with a box and was in pain. By
the time we finally moved to another state and I'd gotten another dentist,
the nerve was totally shot.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69k8ttF33d8tbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>> In article <69jgi3F32rfb9U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> krom wrote:
>>>> I was not very clear..sombody like me who was sick for a month or
>>>> so before dx could have possible damage from runing high and i did
>>>> such as blurred vision...rashes..swelling up like a balloon and all
>>>> the other common complications.
>>>>
>>>> Julie was saying she running high for a while and i mean that a
>>>> person runing say 300's for months and months could very well
>>>> develope ketoacidoses
>>>> regarless if they are type one or two.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's true that sustained high bg levels can lead to ketoacidosis, but
>>> unless I misremember what I read years ago, it's also dependent upon
>>> an absence of insulin, not just high bg, unless the bg is caused by
>>> an absence of insulin.
>>
>> I believe you are correct, which is why for a T2 to have ketoacidosis
>> they must have burned out all their beta cells, or at least most of
>> them.
>
> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close. Her bg
> patterns are starting to indicate that.

Not any more.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> news:69k8ttF33d8tbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>>> In article <69jgi3F32rfb9U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>
>>>> krom wrote:
>>>>> I was not very clear..sombody like me who was sick for a month or
>>>>> so before dx could have possible damage from runing high and i did
>>>>> such as blurred vision...rashes..swelling up like a balloon and
>>>>> all the other common complications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julie was saying she running high for a while and i mean that a
>>>>> person runing say 300's for months and months could very well
>>>>> develope ketoacidoses
>>>>> regarless if they are type one or two.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's true that sustained high bg levels can lead to ketoacidosis,
>>>> but unless I misremember what I read years ago, it's also
>>>> dependent upon an absence of insulin, not just high bg, unless the
>>>> bg is caused by an absence of insulin.
>>>
>>> I believe you are correct, which is why for a T2 to have
>>> ketoacidosis they must have burned out all their beta cells, or at
>>> least most of them.
>>
>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close.
>> Her bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>
> Not any more.

Go off the insulin and see what happens. When low carb and oral meds don't
work it is pretty indicative of burnt out beta cells.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69kp5gF33fdhcU1@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>> news:69k8ttF33d8tbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
>>>> In article <69jgi3F32rfb9U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>>>
>>>>> krom wrote:
>>>>>> I was not very clear..sombody like me who was sick for a month or
>>>>>> so before dx could have possible damage from runing high and i did
>>>>>> such as blurred vision...rashes..swelling up like a balloon and
>>>>>> all the other common complications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie was saying she running high for a while and i mean that a
>>>>>> person runing say 300's for months and months could very well
>>>>>> develope ketoacidoses
>>>>>> regarless if they are type one or two.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's true that sustained high bg levels can lead to ketoacidosis,
>>>>> but unless I misremember what I read years ago, it's also
>>>>> dependent upon an absence of insulin, not just high bg, unless the
>>>>> bg is caused by an absence of insulin.
>>>>
>>>> I believe you are correct, which is why for a T2 to have
>>>> ketoacidosis they must have burned out all their beta cells, or at
>>>> least most of them.
>>>
>>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close.
>>> Her bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>>
>> Not any more.
>
> Go off the insulin and see what happens. When low carb and oral meds don't
> work it is pretty indicative of burnt out beta cells.

My numbers were better before the insulin. And low carb NEVER worked for
me.

In article <69k8fjF32v9buU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
> internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
> pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak English
> very well, the French assistant who struggles with english, or the
> Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and explains
> things to me............. i communicate with all of these people and we
> solve whatever the problem is
> dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist who
> does the BEST dental work i have had in my life
>
> i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
> regularily enough to remember their names

Ooooh! I wanna play!

Internist: Dr. Harigopal -- origin South Asian
(new) Endo: Dr. Mentzelopoulos -- origin Greek
Dentist: Dr. Al Hasawi -- origin Kuwaiti
Psydoc: Dr. Kapila -- origin half South Asian, (born?) raised in US
Therapist: W. Hildner -- origin German

All good. Well, I can't swear to Dr. Mentzelopoulos since I'll see her
for the first time tomorrow morning.

I'm not sure which are citizens. But one psychologist I got royally
screwed over by had a very anglo name.

HOWEVER, if the clinician's name makes me uncomfortable and prevents me
from trusting them, then that makes the relationship less helpful to me.
It's my problem, but it's a real problem.

Priscilla
Priscilla

x-no-archive: yes

Ozgirl wrote:

> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close. Her bg
> patterns are starting to indicate that.
>
>

Jan, there are so many other possibilities, other than pancreatic burnout.

I have plenty of insulin production ability, I'm extremely insulin
sensitive, for instance, but during a month of sustained high cortisol,
for instance, I had post protein (no carb) meal highs of 186 and
peripheral neuropathies from my hands all the way up to almost my shoulders.

Just as one example.

What Julie needs is a good endo evaluation taking *everything* into
account, not internet diagnoses.

Susan

On May 21, 3:56*am, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:

> Often the first inkling a person has that they
> are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find out.

Amen to that. And my numbers weren't even really that high. 160s or so
fasting with a 7.2 A1c.

John C.

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Ozgirl wrote:
>
>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close. Her
>> bg patterns are starting to indicate that.

My impression is that Julie is extremely insulin resistant. Otherwise
insulin injections would be more effective. It seems that Julie has a
more complicated set of diabetes problems than most that have posted on
this newsgroup during the six or so years that I have followed ASD.
While relatively young as a type 2, her vagal nerves to her stomach have
also been damaged.

>>
>
> Jan, there are so many other possibilities, other than pancreatic burnout.
>
> I have plenty of insulin production ability, I'm extremely insulin
> sensitive, for instance, but during a month of sustained high cortisol,
> for instance, I had post protein (no carb) meal highs of 186 and
> peripheral neuropathies from my hands all the way up to almost my
> shoulders.
>
> Just as one example.
>
> What Julie needs is a good endo evaluation taking *everything* into
> account, not internet diagnoses.
>
> Susan

Susan you also have your unique set of problems. Not that I have not
had bouts with the counter regulatory hormones that increase anger. Not
like the guy that was on TV that got big and green however. Having
learned what triggers the like has helped me to snip them in the bud.

Frank

On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:12:04 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>What Julie needs is a good endo evaluation taking *everything* into
>account, not internet diagnoses.
>
>Susan

On that point we are in total agreement.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

In article <XoSdncoXCehHT6jVnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@comcast.com>,
Jefferson <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:

> Susan wrote:
> > x-no-archive: yes
> >
> > Ozgirl wrote:
> >
> >> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close. Her
> >> bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>
> My impression is that Julie is extremely insulin resistant. Otherwise
> insulin injections would be more effective. It seems that Julie has a
> more complicated set of diabetes problems than most that have posted on
> this newsgroup during the six or so years that I have followed ASD.
> While relatively young as a type 2, her vagal nerves to her stomach have
> also been damaged.
>
> >>
> >
> > Jan, there are so many other possibilities, other than pancreatic burnout.
> >
> > I have plenty of insulin production ability, I'm extremely insulin
> > sensitive, for instance, but during a month of sustained high cortisol,
> > for instance, I had post protein (no carb) meal highs of 186 and
> > peripheral neuropathies from my hands all the way up to almost my
> > shoulders.
> >
> > Just as one example.
> >
> > What Julie needs is a good endo evaluation taking *everything* into
> > account, not internet diagnoses.
> >
> > Susan
>
> Susan you also have your unique set of problems. Not that I have not
> had bouts with the counter regulatory hormones that increase anger. Not
> like the guy that was on TV that got big and green however. Having
> learned what triggers the like has helped me to snip them in the bud.

Huh? What does anger have to do with this?

Priscilla, T2

x-no-archive: yes

Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:

>>Susan you also have your unique set of problems. Not that I have not
>>had bouts with the counter regulatory hormones that increase anger. Not
>>like the guy that was on TV that got big and green however. Having
>>learned what triggers the like has helped me to snip them in the bud.
>
>
> Huh? What does anger have to do with this?
>
> Priscilla, T2

I didn't even read that part of his post!

Frank, as usual, when you assume things, well, you know the drill.

I don't typically run high cortisol, only cyclically. Most of the time,
I am suffering from adrenal insufficiency. I don't have anger problems,
but I do think folks should refrain from diagnosing others online and
offering prescriptive recommendations, and then condemning them for not
taking them.

Susan

x-no-archive: yes

Jefferson wrote:
> Susan wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Ozgirl wrote:
>>
>>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close.
>>> Her bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>
>
> My impression is that Julie is extremely insulin resistant. Otherwise
> insulin injections would be more effective. It seems that Julie has a
> more complicated set of diabetes problems than most that have posted on
> this newsgroup during the six or so years that I have followed ASD.
> While relatively young as a type 2, her vagal nerves to her stomach have
> also been damaged.

Julie's endo suspected Cushing's due to her stigmata at one time. I am
exquisitely sensitive to insulin, of which I have plenty, but when my
cortisol is up, my bg spikes to bad highs even after eating only
protein, for instance. So my insulin isn't effective when countered by
the glucose raising by excdess steroids, a phenomenon also seen with
steroid drugs.

Susan

Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:

>>Susan you also have your unique set of problems. Not that I have not
>>had bouts with the counter regulatory hormones that increase anger. Not
>>like the guy that was on TV that got big and green however. Having
>>learned what triggers the like has helped me to snip them in the bud.
>
>
> Huh? What does anger have to do with this?
>
> Priscilla, T2

Two words: cortisol and adrenaline. Type 2 diabetes has a tendency to
throw off the balance of these hormones. A scholar.google search of the
terms cortisol+adrenaline+"type 2"+diabetes results in 1,560 finds.

Frank

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <69k8fjF32v9buU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
>> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
>> internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
>> pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak English
>> very well, the French assistant who struggles with english, or the
>> Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and explains
>> things to me............. i communicate with all of these people and we
>> solve whatever the problem is
>> dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist who
>> does the BEST dental work i have had in my life
>>
>> i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
>> regularily enough to remember their names
>
> Ooooh! I wanna play!
>
> Internist: Dr. Harigopal -- origin South Asian
> (new) Endo: Dr. Mentzelopoulos -- origin Greek
> Dentist: Dr. Al Hasawi -- origin Kuwaiti
> Psydoc: Dr. Kapila -- origin half South Asian, (born?) raised in US
> Therapist: W. Hildner -- origin German
>
> All good. Well, I can't swear to Dr. Mentzelopoulos since I'll see her
> for the first time tomorrow morning.
>
> I'm not sure which are citizens. But one psychologist I got royally
> screwed over by had a very anglo name.
>
> HOWEVER, if the clinician's name makes me uncomfortable and prevents me
> from trusting them, then that makes the relationship less helpful to me.
> It's my problem, but it's a real problem.
>
> Priscilla
> Priscilla
good luck with the new endo tomorrow!

let us know how it goes

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Ozgirl wrote:
>
>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close.
>> Her bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>>
>>
>
> Jan, there are so many other possibilities, other than pancreatic
> burnout.
> I have plenty of insulin production ability, I'm extremely insulin
> sensitive, for instance, but during a month of sustained high
> cortisol, for instance, I had post protein (no carb) meal highs of 186 and
> peripheral neuropathies from my hands all the way up to almost my
> shoulders.
> Just as one example.
>
> What Julie needs is a good endo evaluation taking *everything* into
> account, not internet diagnoses.

Absolutely, there is more than one thing happening here.

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> In article <69k8fjF32v9buU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
>> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
>> internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
>> pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak
>> English very well, the French assistant who struggles with english,
>> or the Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and
>> explains things to me............. i communicate with all of these
>> people and we solve whatever the problem is
>> dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist
>> who does the BEST dental work i have had in my life
>>
>> i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
>> regularily enough to remember their names
>
> Ooooh! I wanna play!
>
> Internist: Dr. Harigopal -- origin South Asian
> (new) Endo: Dr. Mentzelopoulos -- origin Greek
> Dentist: Dr. Al Hasawi -- origin Kuwaiti
> Psydoc: Dr. Kapila -- origin half South Asian, (born?) raised in US
> Therapist: W. Hildner -- origin German
>
> All good. Well, I can't swear to Dr. Mentzelopoulos since I'll see
> her for the first time tomorrow morning.
>
> I'm not sure which are citizens. But one psychologist I got royally
> screwed over by had a very anglo name.
>
> HOWEVER, if the clinician's name makes me uncomfortable and prevents
> me from trusting them, then that makes the relationship less helpful
> to me. It's my problem, but it's a real problem.
>
> Priscilla
> Priscilla

You are stuttering

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Jefferson wrote:
>> Susan wrote:
>>
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>> Ozgirl wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which I beleive is a place where Julie is at now or getting close.
>>>> Her bg patterns are starting to indicate that.
>>
>>
>> My impression is that Julie is extremely insulin resistant. Otherwise
>> insulin injections would be more effective. It seems that Julie has a
>> more complicated set of diabetes problems than most that have posted
>> on this newsgroup during the six or so years that I have followed
>> ASD. While relatively young as a type 2, her vagal nerves to her
>> stomach have also been damaged.
>
> Julie's endo suspected Cushing's due to her stigmata at one time. I
> am exquisitely sensitive to insulin, of which I have plenty, but when
> my cortisol is up, my bg spikes to bad highs even after eating only
> protein, for instance. So my insulin isn't effective when countered
> by the glucose raising by excdess steroids, a phenomenon also seen
> with steroid drugs.

I thought stigmata only had one meaning.

In article <69mqqqF31se0vU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

> Priscilla Ballou wrote:
> > In article <69k8fjF32v9buU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> opthomologist.......... Dr Lakra
> >> cardiologist............Dr Aggarwal
> >> internist.............. forgot his name, but also East Indian
> >> pharmacist............ do you want the Hungarian who can't speak
> >> English very well, the French assistant who struggles with english,
> >> or the Chinese fellow who speaks clearly, fluently, eloquently, and
> >> explains things to me............. i communicate with all of these
> >> people and we solve whatever the problem is
> >> dentist............... Dr Kao........... brilliant Chinese dentist
> >> who does the BEST dental work i have had in my life
> >>
> >> i have other 'non-native English speaking Dr's' that i see but not
> >> regularily enough to remember their names
> >
> > Ooooh! I wanna play!
> >
> > Internist: Dr. Harigopal -- origin South Asian
> > (new) Endo: Dr. Mentzelopoulos -- origin Greek
> > Dentist: Dr. Al Hasawi -- origin Kuwaiti
> > Psydoc: Dr. Kapila -- origin half South Asian, (born?) raised in US
> > Therapist: W. Hildner -- origin German
> >
> > All good. Well, I can't swear to Dr. Mentzelopoulos since I'll see
> > her for the first time tomorrow morning.
> >
> > I'm not sure which are citizens. But one psychologist I got royally
> > screwed over by had a very anglo name.
> >
> > HOWEVER, if the clinician's name makes me uncomfortable and prevents
> > me from trusting them, then that makes the relationship less helpful
> > to me. It's my problem, but it's a real problem.
> >
> > Priscilla
> > Priscilla
>
> You are stuttering

Yeah. I gotta watch that. ;-)

Priscilla, off to meet her new endo.

In article <S7SdnRbjc7_ruqvVnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Jefferson <Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:

> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
>
> >>Susan you also have your unique set of problems. Not that I have not
> >>had bouts with the counter regulatory hormones that increase anger. Not
> >>like the guy that was on TV that got big and green however. Having
> >>learned what triggers the like has helped me to snip them in the bud.
> >
> >
> > Huh? What does anger have to do with this?
> >
> > Priscilla, T2
>
> Two words: cortisol and adrenaline. Type 2 diabetes has a tendency to
> throw off the balance of these hormones. A scholar.google search of the
> terms cortisol+adrenaline+"type 2"+diabetes results in 1,560 finds.

But why bring up that one symptom? Surely it does more than that.

What I'm getting at is that I think you're probably talking about anger
because you're projecting that onto Susan. I'm confident that she's not
angry. She's usually clear, to the point, and often blunt, but I doubt
she's angry. Possibly annoyed (ok, likely annoyed because it's an
annoying situation), but angry?

Priscilla

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Jefferson wrote:

> Two words: cortisol and adrenaline. Type 2 diabetes has a tendency to
> throw off the balance of these hormones. A scholar.google search of the
> terms cortisol+adrenaline+"type 2"+diabetes results in 1,560 finds.


Actually, Frank, cortisol causes a significant number of cases of
diabetes. An Italian study found that those with the worst
complications in hospital had subclinical or occult Cushing's syndrome.

Considering the very high rate of false negative tests, the % is
probably much higher than the 2-3% extrapolated.

Susan

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Ozgirl wrote:

>
> I thought stigmata only had one meaning.
>
>

Not in the medical literature. The term is always used to refer to the
physical changes/markers indicative of Cushing's disease. Some of these
which may be present, but not always (as in my case) are a fatty hump at
the back of the neck, fatty accumulation at the clavical in front of the
neck, thinning skin or stretch marks, easy bruising, skinny arms and
legs with abdominal obesity, reddened or ruddy face, thin skin on the
backs of the hands.

Susan

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Priscilla Ballou wrote:

> But why bring up that one symptom? Surely it does more than that.
>
> What I'm getting at is that I think you're probably talking about anger
> because you're projecting that onto Susan. I'm confident that she's not
> angry. She's usually clear, to the point, and often blunt, but I doubt
> she's angry. Possibly annoyed (ok, likely annoyed because it's an
> annoying situation), but angry?


Ironically, I and those around me have noted that after more than a year
off of steroids, I'm positively Zen in my real life. I'm so mellow I'm
almost beige. No fights, arguments, irritability, unless I get a
cortisol high, when I'm sort of hyper. Those aren't frequent, though,
months in between.

Susan

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Susan wrote:

I thought I should provide some literature:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/con...act/88/12/5808

Once you understand that most Cushing's patients actually DO suppress on
the DST (as I did and most of the proven cases I know did), and that the
tumor turns off and on, leading to enormous numbers of false negatives
in serum and urine testing, the % of cases of DM that are driven by HPA
axis dysregulation is potentially hyooge.

Susan

Susan wrote in message

<69o3ljF33ivtdU3@mid.individual.net>...
>Ironically, I and those around me have noted that after more than a
year
>off of steroids, I'm positively Zen in my real life. I'm so mellow
I'm
>almost beige. No fights, arguments, irritability, unless I get a
>cortisol high, when I'm sort of hyper. Those aren't frequent,
though,
>months in between.
>
>Susan

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU! YOU'RE ANGRY DAMNIT!!! ;-)

Chri

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Cheri wrote:

> I DON'T BELIEVE YOU! YOU'RE ANGRY DAMNIT!!! ;-)
>
> Chri
>
>

LOL, Chri,

I wish. I'd be more interesting that way. ;-)

At least a little. I'll own to blunt and candid, often tactless, but
not angry because that's not who I am.


Susan

On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:44:41 -0400, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

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>
>Ozgirl wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought stigmata only had one meaning.
>>
>>
>
>Not in the medical literature. The term is always used to refer to the
>physical changes/markers indicative of Cushing's disease. Some of these
>which may be present, but not always (as in my case) are a fatty hump at
>the back of the neck, fatty accumulation at the clavical in front of the
>neck, thinning skin or stretch marks, easy bruising, skinny arms and
>legs with abdominal obesity, reddened or ruddy face, thin skin on the
>backs of the hands.

Why do I get this picture of you saying

"The bells! The bells!!"

Seriously though I think you're on the right lines with Julie's bunch
of symptoms. IF ONLY she could get a full workup from someone who was
looking for what's wrong rather than what's not wrong <sigh>

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Trinkwasser wrote:

> Why do I get this picture of you saying
>
> "The bells! The bells!!"

I can't begin to explain what's going on in your head, I have enough
trouble trying to keep straight that which is going on in my own.

>
> Seriously though I think you're on the right lines with Julie's bunch
> of symptoms. IF ONLY she could get a full workup from someone who was
> looking for what's wrong rather than what's not wrong <sigh>

I think she needs a careful evaluation by someone who's NOT looking for
anything, but is open to seeing everything that's there.

Susan

"John" <jcarney44@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ba2a1765-931e-47f1-848f-21eec2ef12b1@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 21, 3:56 am, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_...@maccas.com> wrote:

> Often the first inkling a person has that they
> are diabetic is when they have that first heart attack. Bad way to find
> out.

Amen to that. And my numbers weren't even really that high. 160s or so
fasting with a 7.2 A1c.

John C.
--
Sounds similar to me. I didn't find out that I was diabetic until I had a
stroke. My doctors didn't tell me what my numbers were them, and it
was months later before I found that they were important.

On Fri, 23 May 2008 15:27:25 -0400, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

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>
>Trinkwasser wrote:
>
>> Why do I get this picture of you saying
>>
>> "The bells! The bells!!"
>
>I can't begin to explain what's going on in your head, I have enough
>trouble trying to keep straight that which is going on in my own.

BTDT

>> Seriously though I think you're on the right lines with Julie's bunch
>> of symptoms. IF ONLY she could get a full workup from someone who was
>> looking for what's wrong rather than what's not wrong <sigh>
>
>I think she needs a careful evaluation by someone who's NOT looking for
>anything, but is open to seeing everything that's there.

Yes that's another way of looking at it. Anyway someone with an open
mind who is looking for a problem to solve rather than an excuse to
make her go away . . .