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03-20-2008, 07:48 PM
| | |  Bread and Diabetes
Effect of Bread Containing Resistant Starch on Postprandial Blood
Glucose Levels in Humans
Yuji Yamada1, Seio Hosoya1, Shigeru Nishimura1, Takashi Tanaka1,
Yoshitaka Kajimoto2, Akira Nishimura2, and Osami Kajimoto3
1Central Institute, Yamazaki Baking Co., Ltd., 3-5-16 Chitose, Sumida-
ku, Tokyo 130-0025, Japan
2Soiken Inc., Senri Life Science Center, 1-4-2 Shinsenri-higashimachi,
Toyonaka, Osaka Prefecture 560-0082, Japan
3Center for Health Care, Osaka University of Foreign Studies, 8-1-1
Aomadani-higashi, Mino, Osaka Prefecture 562-8558, Japan
We examined the inhibitory effect of a single ingestion of bread
containing resistant starch (bread containing about 6 g of resistant
starch derived from tapioca per 2 slices) (test food) on the
postprandial increase in blood glucose in male and female adults with
a fasting blood glucose level between 100 and 140 mg/dl. Bread not
containing resistant starch (placebo) was used as the control.
The study was conducted in 20 subjects (9 men and 11 women with a mean
age of 50.5 7.5 years) using the crossover method, with a single
ingestion of either bread containing resistant starch or the placebo.
Blood glucose and insulin were measured before ingestion, and at 0.5,
1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion. The blood glucose level before
ingestion was stratified into a borderline group (blood glucose level
111 mg/dl) and a normal group (blood glucose level 110 mg/dl),
with the upper limit of the normal range defined as 110 mg/dl.
Postprandial increases in both blood glucose and blood insulin were
significantly inhibited in subjects in the borderline group who took
the test food in comparison with the placebo group (blood glucose:
p<0.05 and p<0.01 at 1 and 1.5 h after ingestion respectively;
insulin: p<0.05, p<0.01 and p<0.05 at 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion
respectively).
These results indicate that bread containing resistant starch is
useful for prevention of lifestyle-related diseases such as diabetes
mellitus, and as a supplementary means of dietetic therapy.
Who loves ya.
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03-21-2008, 12:23 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice
<ironjustice@cashette.com> wrote:
> Effect of Bread Containing Resistant Starch on Postprandial Blood
> Glucose Levels in Humans
>
> Yuji Yamada1, Seio Hosoya1, Shigeru Nishimura1, Takashi Tanaka1,
> Yoshitaka Kajimoto2, Akira Nishimura2, and Osami Kajimoto3
>
> 1Central Institute, Yamazaki Baking Co., Ltd., 3-5-16 Chitose, Sumida-
> ku, Tokyo 130-0025, Japan
> 2Soiken Inc., Senri Life Science Center, 1-4-2 Shinsenri-higashimachi,
> Toyonaka, Osaka Prefecture 560-0082, Japan
> 3Center for Health Care, Osaka University of Foreign Studies, 8-1-1
> Aomadani-higashi, Mino, Osaka Prefecture 562-8558, Japan
>
> We examined the inhibitory effect of a single ingestion of bread
> containing resistant starch (bread containing about 6 g of resistant
> starch derived from tapioca per 2 slices) (test food) on the
> postprandial increase in blood glucose in male and female adults with
> a fasting blood glucose level between 100 and 140 mg/dl. Bread not
> containing resistant starch (placebo) was used as the control.
> The study was conducted in 20 subjects (9 men and 11 women with a mean
> age of 50.5 7.5 years) using the crossover method, with a single
> ingestion of either bread containing resistant starch or the placebo.
> Blood glucose and insulin were measured before ingestion, and at 0.5,
> 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion. The blood glucose level before
> ingestion was stratified into a borderline group (blood glucose level
> 111 mg/dl) and a normal group (blood glucose level 110 mg/dl),
> with the upper limit of the normal range defined as 110 mg/dl.
> Postprandial increases in both blood glucose and blood insulin were
> significantly inhibited in subjects in the borderline group who took
> the test food in comparison with the placebo group (blood glucose:
> p<0.05 and p<0.01 at 1 and 1.5 h after ingestion respectively;
> insulin: p<0.05, p<0.01 and p<0.05 at 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion
> respectively).
> These results indicate that bread containing resistant starch is
> useful for prevention of lifestyle-related diseases such as diabetes
> mellitus, and as a supplementary means of dietetic therapy.
>
>
My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
--
======= Tecknomage =======
San Diego, CA
"The Mage Soapbox" blog at
magesoapbox.blogspot.com |
03-21-2008, 05:07 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"Tecknomage"
>
> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>
> Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
> bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
the short bead is only the plant starch.
In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
(the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, better
bread.
For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
healthy.
S*
|
03-21-2008, 05:07 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
> "Tecknomage"
> >
> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
> >
> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
>
> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
> the short bead is only the plant starch.
> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, better
> bread.
> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
> healthy.
Smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
Here is a simple parable to promote understanding: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow |
03-21-2008, 05:37 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:59:19 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdoc23@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>Szczepan Bialek wrote:
>> "Tecknomage"
>> >
>> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>> >
>> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
>> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
>> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
>>
>> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
>> the short bead is only the plant starch.
>> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
>> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, better
>> bread.
>> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
>> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
>> healthy.
>
>Smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
>Here is a simple parable to promote understanding:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
>Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
>http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
>
>Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
>Andrew <><
As my grandfather, a doctor, said:
"here are people in this world who should eat less and work more."
Donn |
03-21-2008, 06:17 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
> "Tecknomage"
>>
>> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>>
There is *no* food that is "bad for diabetics" just because of diabetes. YOU
may not be able to cope with certain carbs, but others have different
reactions & different medical regimens. Much of it is about portion control,
too.
bj
|
03-21-2008, 06:17 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
friend Donn (ne...@millions.com) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Szczepan Bialek wrote:
> >> "Tecknomage"
> >> >
> >> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> >> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
> >> >
> >> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
> >> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> >> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
> >>
> >> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
> >> the short bead is only the plant starch.
> >> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
> >> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, better
> >> bread.
> >> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
> >> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
> >> healthy.
> >
> >Smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:
> >
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> As my grandfather, a doctor, said:
>
> "here are people in this world who should eat less and work more."
It is the delusion of believing the world's lie that "hunger is bad"
that keeps us from eating less, down to the optimal amount, while
doing meaningful work because these things make us hungrier
(healthier).
May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as the Son of Man ...
.... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
.... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
.... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow |
03-21-2008, 06:17 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 21, 10:38*am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> friend Donn (ne...@millions.com) wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >Szczepan Bialek wrote:
> > >> "Tecknomage"
>
> > >> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> > >> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>
> > >> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. *A local
> > >> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> > >> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
>
> > >> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch.. In
> > >> the short bead is only the plant starch.
> > >> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
> > >> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, *better
> > >> bread.
> > >> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
> > >> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
> > >> healthy.
>
> > >Smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount:
>
> > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> > As my grandfather, a doctor, said:
>
> > "here are people in this world who should eat less and work more."
>
> It is the delusion of believing the world's lie that "hunger is bad"
> that keeps us from eating less, down to the optimal amount, while
> doing meaningful work because these things make us hungrier
> (healthier).
>
> May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a
> blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
> Christ as the Son of Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
> Hunger is wonderful:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
>
> It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
>
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives.
>
> Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
> of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
> forever ...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> ... gone:
>
> http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
>
> Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
> the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>
> "Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
>
> ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
>
> Amen.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
>
> A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just because you post last on a thread does not mean that you've
rebuked or refuted or countered anything that was said by posters
before you, Chung. You just resort to juvenile name calling and
circular posts and nonsensical quasi-Christian babble and bogus cow
parables. We are laughing at you, not with you. |
03-21-2008, 07:07 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
bj said...
>> "Tecknomage"
>>>
>>> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>>> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>>>
>
> There is *no* food that is "bad for diabetics" just because of diabetes.
> YOU may not be able to cope with certain carbs, but others have
> different reactions & different medical regimens. Much of it is about
> portion control, too.
> bj
bj,
I couldn't agree more about portion control. That AND keeping meticulous
food records in diet software of some kind, to assist in daily food
planning or using dietary supplements, as needed.
AND eating minimally processed or all-natural (additive/hormone/food
dye/preservative free, etc.) foods will always be most beneficial to
everyone, not just diabetics.
My past quarter dietary profile:
Fats 37% (highest in Mono-unsat. fat / zero trans fat)
Carbs: 36%
Protein: 27%
Doc did advise me on diagnosis to switch to whole grain/low sugar for
carbs, which I did without question.
Best,
Andy
Minimally Processed Man & Broken Record
--
T2
HBP
Gout  |
03-21-2008, 07:07 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 21, 11:03*am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF
>
> <><
>
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
> Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
> Hunger is wonderful:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
>
> It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
>
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives.
>
> Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
> of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
> forever ...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> ... gone:
>
> http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
>
> Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
> the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>
> "Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
>
> ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
>
> Amen.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
>
> A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Just because you post last on a thread does not mean that you've
rebuked or refuted or countered anything that was said by posters
before you, Chung. You just resort to juvenile name calling and
circular posts and nonsensical quasi-Christian babble and bogus cow
parables. We are laughing at you, not with you. |
03-21-2008, 08:11 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:5kSEj.17$Ew5.1@trnddc04...
>> "Tecknomage"
>>>
>>> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>>> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>>>
>
> There is *no* food that is "bad for diabetics" just because of diabetes.
> YOU may not be able to cope with certain carbs, but others have different
> reactions & different medical regimens. Much of it is about portion
> control, too.
I don't believe that high fructose corn syrup is good for diabetics. But I
also don't believe it is good for anyone.
|
03-21-2008, 08:11 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:63UEj.13$Pc2.3@trndny06...
>
> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:5kSEj.17$Ew5.1@trnddc04...
>>> "Tecknomage"
>>>>
>>>> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>>>> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>>>>
>>
>> There is *no* food that is "bad for diabetics" just because of diabetes.
>> YOU may not be able to cope with certain carbs, but others have different
>> reactions & different medical regimens. Much of it is about portion
>> control, too.
>
> I don't believe that high fructose corn syrup is good for diabetics. But
> I also don't believe it is good for anyone.
IMO that comes under the heading of it's not bad for diabetics just because
of diabetes. Like a lot of things, not that good of an idea for anyone.
bj
|
03-21-2008, 08:11 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:uaUEj.29$o35.11@trnddc07...
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:63UEj.13$Pc2.3@trndny06...
>>
>> "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
>> news:5kSEj.17$Ew5.1@trnddc04...
>>>> "Tecknomage"
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
>>>>> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> There is *no* food that is "bad for diabetics" just because of diabetes.
>>> YOU may not be able to cope with certain carbs, but others have
>>> different reactions & different medical regimens. Much of it is about
>>> portion control, too.
>>
>> I don't believe that high fructose corn syrup is good for diabetics. But
>> I also don't believe it is good for anyone.
>
> IMO that comes under the heading of it's not bad for diabetics just
> because of diabetes. Like a lot of things, not that good of an idea for
> anyone.
It has been shown to cause heart damage to diabetics.
|
03-22-2008, 04:06 AM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 21, 9:53*am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:Animal
and plants starch <<
???
On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:The
animal starch is in backed
yeast (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms <<
Starch is from plants .. only from plants .. yeast is not an animal ..
algae is not an animal and mushrooms are not an animal .. an animal
has .. lungs .. just like YOU .. the animal.
Write that down ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> *"Tecknomage"
>
>
>
> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>
> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. *A local
> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
>
> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
> the short bead is only the plant starch.
> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, *better
> bread.
> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
> healthy.
> S* |
03-22-2008, 09:59 AM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote
news:18a9d9bf-d651-4e12-a40a-8c2109b2c536@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:Animal
and plants starch <<
???
On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:The
animal starch is in backed
yeast (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms <<
Starch is from plants .. only from plants .. yeast is not an animal ..
algae is not an animal and mushrooms are not an animal .. an animal
has .. lungs .. just like YOU .. the animal.
Write that down ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> "Tecknomage"
>
>
>
> > My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> > PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>
> > Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
> > bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> > is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
>
> There are the two types of starch in breads. Animal and plants starch. In
> the short bead is only the plant starch.
> In the leavended breat are the both. The animal starch is in backed yeast
> (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms). More yeast, better
> bread.
> For this reason people always made the leavended bread (we can say - flour
> is eaten by yeasts and we eat backed yeasts). Sprouted grains are also
> healthy.
> S* |
03-22-2008, 09:59 AM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com> wrote
news:18a9d9bf-d651-4e12-a40a-8c2109b2c536@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:Animal
and plants starch <<
???
On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:The
animal starch is in backed
yeast (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms <<
Starch is from plants .. only from plants .. yeast is not an animal ..
algae is not an animal and mushrooms are not an animal .. an animal
has .. lungs .. just like YOU .. the animal.
In English and in Polish is athe term "glycogen" (liver starch or animal
starch).
Alga, mushrooms and yeast are not an animals. They are not plants also.
They are parasites. It is good to know that.If you know that it is obvious
why people prefer truffle more than potato.
Plant starch are have different grain size. People prefer that with very
small size. Such are in rice and oats.
S*
|
03-22-2008, 02:34 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 22, 1:32*am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:In
English and in Polish is athe term "glycogen" (liver starch or animal
starch). <<
"glycogen is starch" .. ?
Glycogen is .. glycogen.
Starch is .. starch .
Glycogen is a breakdown product OF .. starch.
Some BELIEVE glycogen is starch and call them the "same thing" ..
but .. in FACT .. starch is starch and glycogen is glycogen and NEVER
the .. twain .. shall .. meet ..
No matter how may people .. say it ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> *"ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrotenews:18a9d9bf-d651-4e12-a40a-8c2109b2c536@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:Animal
> and plants starch <<
>
> ???
>
> On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:The
> animal starch is in backed
> yeast (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms <<
>
> Starch is from plants .. only from plants .. yeast is not an animal ..
> algae is not an animal and mushrooms are not an animal .. an animal
> has .. lungs .. just like YOU .. the animal.
>
> In English and in Polish is athe term "glycogen" (liver starch or animal
> starch).
> Alga, mushrooms and yeast *are not an animals. They are not plants also.
> They are parasites. It is good to know that.If you know that it is obvious
> why people prefer truffle more than potato.
>
> Plant starch are have different grain size. People prefer that with very
> small size. Such are in rice and oats.
> S* |
03-22-2008, 04:13 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 22, 7:20*am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com>
wrote:"glycogen is starch" .. ?
Glycogen is .. glycogen. Starch is .. starch . <<
An analogy here would be ..
I put you in a sleeping bag .. film you getting into the sleeping bag
and zipping it UP over your head.
Now I take a baseball bat and beat this bag with you IN it until it is
a bag of .. mush.
Everyone seen you get into the bag .. and everyone KNOWS you are in
the bag .. but .. both of us KNOW .. it ain't REALLY .. you .. IN the
bag anymore ..
Is it ..
Something .. that might ... maybe .. **resemble** you .. but it is
NO .. longer .. you ..
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On Mar 22, 1:32*am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:In
> English and in Polish is athe term "glycogen" (liver starch or animal
> starch). <<
>
> "glycogen is starch" .. ?
>
> Glycogen is .. glycogen.
>
> Starch is .. starch .
>
> Glycogen is a breakdown product OF .. starch.
>
> Some BELIEVE glycogen is starch and call them the "same thing" ..
> but .. in FACT .. starch is starch and glycogen is glycogen and NEVER
> the .. twain .. shall .. meet ..
>
> No matter how may people .. say it ..
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
>
>
>
> > *"ironjustice" <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrotenews:18a9d9bf-d651-4e12-a40a-8c2109b2c536@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:Animal
> > and plants starch <<
>
> > ???
>
> > On Mar 21, 9:53 am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:The
> > animal starch is in backed
> > yeast (the animal starch is also in alga and mushrooms <<
>
> > Starch is from plants .. only from plants .. yeast is not an animal ..
> > algae is not an animal and mushrooms are not an animal .. an animal
> > has .. lungs .. just like YOU .. the animal.
>
> > In English and in Polish is athe term "glycogen" (liver starch or animal
> > starch).
> > Alga, mushrooms and yeast *are not an animals. They are not plants also.
> > They are parasites. It is good to know that.If you know that it is obvious
> > why people prefer truffle more than potato.
>
> > Plant starch are have different grain size. People prefer that with very
> > small size. Such are in rice and oats.
> > S*- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text - |
03-22-2008, 06:57 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 21, 6:39*pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/StupidSockPuppet
>
> of
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan
>
> who remains
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan
>
> <><
>
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
> Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
> Hunger is wonderful:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
>
> It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
>
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives.
>
> Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
> of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
> forever ...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> ... gone:
>
> http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
>
> Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
> the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>
> "Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
>
> ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
>
> Amen.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
>
> A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow http://Repetitive-repukingChung.com
is http://doomed-Chung.com
Andrew, just because you post your repetitive, poorly written,
delusional crap last on a thread it doesn't mean that you have
successfully refuted, disproved or rebuked anything that other
posters have said. |
03-22-2008, 06:57 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
"ironjustice"
>Glycogen is .. glycogen.
>Starch is .. starch .
OK. In plants is starch. In alga, mushrooms and yeasts is glycogen.
So in leavended bread is starch and glycogen. In short only starch.
S*
|
03-22-2008, 06:57 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 22, 10:48*am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
OK. In plants is starch. In alga, mushrooms and yeasts is glycogen.
So in leavended bread is starch and glycogen. In short only starch.
S* <<
Back to the algae .. again .. eh ..
Sooo .. what makes you believe algae is NOT a .. plant .. ?
I thought mushrooms were a .. fungus ..
I don't really think a fungus is a parasite .. it can BE ..
parasitic .. as in "acitng LIKE a parasite" .. but it might well be ..
growing .. like a plant .. ON .. another plant .. just like ..
plants .. do ..
And yeast I think is considered to be .. not .. starch .. but
a .. ? .. or more to the CORRECT wording .. parasitic ..
**qualitiies** .. ?
Unless you consider .. malaria and a mushroom to BE the .. same .. ?
Algae and TB to be the same .. ?
Etc .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk |
03-22-2008, 06:57 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Mar 22, 11:01*am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:Algae
and TB to be the same .. ? <<
Whoops ..
Chagas .. and algae .. ?
Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
> On Mar 22, 10:48*am, "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bia...@wp.pl> wrote:
> *OK. In plants is starch. In alga, mushrooms and yeasts is glycogen.
> *So in leavended bread is starch and glycogen. In short only starch.
> S* <<
>
> Back to the algae .. again .. eh ..
>
> Sooo .. what makes you believe algae is NOT a .. plant .. ?
>
> I thought mushrooms were a .. fungus ..
>
> I don't really think a fungus is a parasite .. it can BE ..
> parasitic .. as in "acitng LIKE a parasite" .. but it might well be ..
> growing .. like a plant .. ON .. another plant .. just like ..
> plants .. do ..
>
> And yeast I think is considered to be .. not .. starch .. but
> a .. ? .. or more to the CORRECT wording .. parasitic ..
> **qualitiies** .. ?
>
> Unless you consider .. malaria and a mushroom to BE the .. same .. ?
>
> Algae and TB to be the same .. ?
>
> Etc .. ?
>
> Who loves ya.
> Tom
>
> Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh
>
> Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk |
03-22-2008, 08:22 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
Tecknomage wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice
> <ironjustice@cashette.com> wrote:
>
>> Effect of Bread Containing Resistant Starch on Postprandial Blood
>> Glucose Levels in Humans
>>
>> Yuji Yamada1, Seio Hosoya1, Shigeru Nishimura1, Takashi Tanaka1,
>> Yoshitaka Kajimoto2, Akira Nishimura2, and Osami Kajimoto3
>>
>> 1Central Institute, Yamazaki Baking Co., Ltd., 3-5-16 Chitose, Sumida-
>> ku, Tokyo 130-0025, Japan
>> 2Soiken Inc., Senri Life Science Center, 1-4-2 Shinsenri-higashimachi,
>> Toyonaka, Osaka Prefecture 560-0082, Japan
>> 3Center for Health Care, Osaka University of Foreign Studies, 8-1-1
>> Aomadani-higashi, Mino, Osaka Prefecture 562-8558, Japan
>>
>> We examined the inhibitory effect of a single ingestion of bread
>> containing resistant starch (bread containing about 6 g of resistant
>> starch derived from tapioca per 2 slices) (test food) on the
>> postprandial increase in blood glucose in male and female adults with
>> a fasting blood glucose level between 100 and 140 mg/dl. Bread not
>> containing resistant starch (placebo) was used as the control.
>> The study was conducted in 20 subjects (9 men and 11 women with a mean
>> age of 50.5 7.5 years) using the crossover method, with a single
>> ingestion of either bread containing resistant starch or the placebo.
>> Blood glucose and insulin were measured before ingestion, and at 0.5,
>> 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion. The blood glucose level before
>> ingestion was stratified into a borderline group (blood glucose level
>> 111 mg/dl) and a normal group (blood glucose level 110 mg/dl),
>> with the upper limit of the normal range defined as 110 mg/dl.
>> Postprandial increases in both blood glucose and blood insulin were
>> significantly inhibited in subjects in the borderline group who took
>> the test food in comparison with the placebo group (blood glucose:
>> p<0.05 and p<0.01 at 1 and 1.5 h after ingestion respectively;
>> insulin: p<0.05, p<0.01 and p<0.05 at 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion
>> respectively).
>> These results indicate that bread containing resistant starch is
>> useful for prevention of lifestyle-related diseases such as diabetes
>> mellitus, and as a supplementary means of dietetic therapy.
>>
>
> My personal experience, and from what I've read, is any product using
> PROCESSED FLOUR is high in carbs, therefore bad for diabetics.
>
> Whole grain, unprocessed flour, breads are very low in carbs. A local
> bakery (Julian, CA, near San Diego) bakes home made wheat bread that
> is 2g carbs/slice and a wheat raisin bread at 3g carbs/slice.
That doesn't make sense.
In the first place, it makes no sense to say that because something is
high in carbohydrates, it's bad for diabetics, because there are
carbohydrates in food which are completely indigestible. Look on a
"Nutrition Facts" panel. "Dietary Fiber" appears under the "Total
Carbohydrate" category. Dietary fiber is not bad for diabetics.
Second, wheat grains are mostly starch. I don't know what's in those
breads you mentioned, but in general eating bread while trying to avoid
starch makes no sense. Why not spread your jam on cardboard instead?
--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c |
03-22-2008, 08:22 PM
| | | Re: Bread and Diabetes
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:15:05 -0500, Marshall Price
<d021317c@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Tecknomage wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT), ironjustice
>> <ironjustice@cashette.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Effect of Bread Containing Resistant Starch on Postprandial Blood
>>> Glucose Levels in Humans
>>>
>>> Yuji Yamada1, Seio Hosoya1, Shigeru Nishimura1, Takashi Tanaka1,
>>> Yoshitaka Kajimoto2, Akira Nishimura2, and Osami Kajimoto3
>>>
>>> 1Central Institute, Yamazaki Baking Co., Ltd., 3-5-16 Chitose, Sumida-
>>> ku, Tokyo 130-0025, Japan
>>> 2Soiken Inc., Senri Life Science Center, 1-4-2 Shinsenri-higashimachi,
>>> Toyonaka, Osaka Prefecture 560-0082, Japan
>>> 3Center for Health Care, Osaka University of Foreign Studies, 8-1-1
>>> Aomadani-higashi, Mino, Osaka Prefecture 562-8558, Japan
>>>
>>> We examined the inhibitory effect of a single ingestion of bread
>>> containing resistant starch (bread containing about 6 g of resistant
>>> starch derived from tapioca per 2 slices) (test food) on the
>>> postprandial increase in blood glucose in male and female adults with
>>> a fasting blood glucose level between 100 and 140 mg/dl. Bread not
>>> containing resistant starch (placebo) was used as the control.
>>> The study was conducted in 20 subjects (9 men and 11 women with a mean
>>> age of 50.5¡À 7.5 years) using the crossover method, with a single
>>> ingestion of either bread containing resistant starch or the placebo.
>>> Blood glucose and insulin were measured before ingestion, and at 0.5,
>>> 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion. The blood glucose level before
>>> ingestion was stratified into a borderline group (blood glucose level
>>> ¡Ý 111 mg/dl) and a normal group (blood glucose level ¡Ü 110 mg/dl),
>>> with the upper limit of the normal range defined as 110 mg/dl.
>>> Postprandial increases in both blood glucose and blood insulin were
>>> significantly inhibited in subjects in the borderline group who took
>>> the test food in comparison with the placebo group (blood glucose:
>>> p<0.05 and p<0.01 at 1 and 1.5 h after ingestion respectively;
>>> insulin: p<0.05, p<0.01 and p<0.05 at 1, 1.5, and 2 h after ingestion
>>> respectively).
>>> These results indicate that bread containing resistant starch is
>>> useful for prevention of lifestyle-related diseases such as diabetes
>>> mellitus, and as a supplementary means of dietetic therapy.
>>>
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