Carbohydrates, Time for A Critical Appraisal

For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
see what happens.

As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...

This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th June:
http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments

'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.�'

It goes on to report on this paper, published in Nutrition &
Metabolism on 8th April 2008:

Dietary carbohydrate restriction in type 2 diabetes mellitus
and metabolic syndrome: time for a critical appraisal
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...3-7075-5-9.pdf

"Abstract

Current nutritional approaches to metabolic syndrome and
type 2 diabetes generally rely on reductions in dietary fat.
The success of such approaches has been limited and therapy
more generally relies on pharmacology. The argument is made
that a re-evaluation of the role of carbohydrate
restriction, the historical and intuitive approach to the
problem, may provide an alternative and possibly superior
dietary strategy. The rationale is that carbohydrate
restriction improves glycemic control and reduces insulin
fluctuations which are primary targets.

Experiments are summarized showing that
carbohydrate-restricted diets are at least as effective for
weight loss as low-fat diets and that substitution of fat
for carbohydrate is generally beneficial for risk of
cardiovascular disease. These beneficial effects of
carbohydrate restriction do not require weight loss.
Finally, the point is reiterated that carbohydrate
restriction improves all of the features of metabolic
syndrome."

Before commenting further, I invite those interested in the
subject to read both the article and the paper.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan S wrote:
> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.
>
> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>
> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th June:
> http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>
> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.�'
>
> It goes on to report on this paper, published in Nutrition &
> Metabolism on 8th April 2008:
>
> Dietary carbohydrate restriction in type 2 diabetes mellitus
> and metabolic syndrome: time for a critical appraisal
> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...3-7075-5-9.pdf
>
> "Abstract
>
> Current nutritional approaches to metabolic syndrome and
> type 2 diabetes generally rely on reductions in dietary fat.
> The success of such approaches has been limited and therapy
> more generally relies on pharmacology. The argument is made
> that a re-evaluation of the role of carbohydrate
> restriction, the historical and intuitive approach to the
> problem, may provide an alternative and possibly superior
> dietary strategy. The rationale is that carbohydrate
> restriction improves glycemic control and reduces insulin
> fluctuations which are primary targets.
>
> Experiments are summarized showing that
> carbohydrate-restricted diets are at least as effective for
> weight loss as low-fat diets and that substitution of fat
> for carbohydrate is generally beneficial for risk of
> cardiovascular disease. These beneficial effects of
> carbohydrate restriction do not require weight loss.
> Finally, the point is reiterated that carbohydrate
> restriction improves all of the features of metabolic
> syndrome."
>
> Before commenting further, I invite those interested in the
> subject to read both the article and the paper.
>


Did, some time ago, possibly while you were away? I'm pretty sure it
was posted here.

Bears repeating, though, can't be pointed out enough. :-)

Susan

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.

Here is the thread 23-May-2008, started by Susan with contributions of
yourself

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4bf74aafc978a7

hth
Gys

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:43:09 +0200, "GysdeJongh"
<jongh711@planet.nl> wrote:

>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:boqi645leg3kkn8e3dqk1ml9ol1jlmjcc0@4ax.com.. .
>> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
>> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
>> see what happens.
>
>Here is the thread 23-May-2008, started by Susan with contributions of
>yourself
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4bf74aafc978a7
>
>hth
>Gys
>

Thanks; it's been a long day:-)

As Susan says, it bears repeating. So I did, on the ADA
forum.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (On Indian Roads)

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:14:26 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>As Susan says, it bears repeating. So I did, on the ADA
>forum.

Yup - thanks for the reminder, I've just posted it on the NHS diabetes
blog too : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4% BMI 25

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Alan S wrote:

> Thanks; it's been a long day:-)
>
> As Susan says, it bears repeating. So I did, on the ADA
> forum.
>

As far as I'm concerned, it can't be reposted often enough.

And I'm glad someone else has memory brain farts. Good company, and all
that. ;-)

Susan

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:25:46 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
>consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
>European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
>statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'
>



Talk about contradicting themselves in the same paragraph!!!

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On Jun 30, 7:25*pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.
>
> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>
> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th June:http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>
> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'

Nobody else seems to have noticed, but 130mg has gotta be a typo!

I've accused others here of being militant low-carbers but 130mg is
ridiculous.

Tim.

"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
news:7958cff5-6a46-42b9-9f09-47128c7faeb8@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 30, 7:25 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.
>
> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>
> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th
> June:http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>
> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'

Nobody else seems to have noticed, but 130mg has gotta be a typo!

I've accused others here of being militant low-carbers but 130mg is
ridiculous.

Tim.

+++++++

Dunno Tim ... I just ate three grains of rice and boy am I stuffed !

cheers

Paul

Tim Shoppa wrote:
> On Jun 30, 7:25 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
>> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
>> see what happens.
>>
>> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>>
>> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th June:http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>>
>> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
>> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
>> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
>> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
>> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
>> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
>> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'
>
> Nobody else seems to have noticed, but 130mg has gotta be a typo!
>
> I've accused others here of being militant low-carbers but 130mg is
> ridiculous.
>
> Tim.
bwha ha ha

my brain just transposed that to mg, knowing what the units would be

good catch, Tim

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Tiger_Lily wrote:
> Tim Shoppa wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 7:25 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
>>> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
>>> see what happens.
>>>
>>> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>>>
>>> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th
>>> June:http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>>>
>>> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
>>> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
>>> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
>>> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
>>> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
>>> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
>>> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'
>>
>> Nobody else seems to have noticed, but 130mg has gotta be a typo!
>>
>> I've accused others here of being militant low-carbers but 130mg is
>> ridiculous.
>>
>> Tim.
> bwha ha ha
>
> my brain just transposed that to mg, knowing what the units would be
>
> good catch, Tim
>
d'uh............ gm?!!!!!!!!!

sigh

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Thanks for posting these Alan. It's nice to have some vindication from some
part of the medical community. Off to read the articles at length.
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Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.
>
> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>
> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th June:
> http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>
> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
> statement that low-carb diets are "not justified."'
>
> It goes on to report on this paper, published in Nutrition &
> Metabolism on 8th April 2008:
>
> Dietary carbohydrate restriction in type 2 diabetes mellitus
> and metabolic syndrome: time for a critical appraisal
> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...3-7075-5-9.pdf
>
> "Abstract
>
> Current nutritional approaches to metabolic syndrome and
> type 2 diabetes generally rely on reductions in dietary fat.
> The success of such approaches has been limited and therapy
> more generally relies on pharmacology. The argument is made
> that a re-evaluation of the role of carbohydrate
> restriction, the historical and intuitive approach to the
> problem, may provide an alternative and possibly superior
> dietary strategy. The rationale is that carbohydrate
> restriction improves glycemic control and reduces insulin
> fluctuations which are primary targets.
>
> Experiments are summarized showing that
> carbohydrate-restricted diets are at least as effective for
> weight loss as low-fat diets and that substitution of fat
> for carbohydrate is generally beneficial for risk of
> cardiovascular disease. These beneficial effects of
> carbohydrate restriction do not require weight loss.
> Finally, the point is reiterated that carbohydrate
> restriction improves all of the features of metabolic
> syndrome."
>
> Before commenting further, I invite those interested in the
> subject to read both the article and the paper.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> --
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (On Indian Roads)
>
>

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Alan S wrote:
>
>> Thanks; it's been a long day:-)
>>
>> As Susan says, it bears repeating. So I did, on the ADA
>> forum.
>>
>
> As far as I'm concerned, it can't be reposted often enough.
>
> And I'm glad someone else has memory brain farts. Good company, and all
> that. ;-)
>
> Susan

Oh heck, I missed it the first time around. Probably was involved in
another thread and short on time. Glad I'm seeing it now. :-)
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5

"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 30, 7:25 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For some reason I can't load any posts today. So, just in
> case this hasn't already been mentioned, I'll post it and
> see what happens.
>
> As Dylan wrote, the times they are a-changing...
>
> This was published in DiabetesHealth on 26th
> June:http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2008/....html#comments
>
> 'Twenty-four diabetes doctors and researchers from the
> United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden
> and Portugal have published a study criticizing the American
> Diabetes Association (ADA) assertion that diabetics should
> consume no fewer than 130 mg of carbohydrates daily and the
> European Association for the Study of Diabetes (EASD)
> statement that low-carb diets are “not justified.”'

Nobody else seems to have noticed, but 130mg has gotta be a typo!

I've accused others here of being militant low-carbers but 130mg is
ridiculous.

Tim.

LOL! You've got good eyes, Tim. That one went right past me.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5