Changes

Hi Folks,

I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.

I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.

Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine and
spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.

I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
average was ~100.

Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
80.

I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
a large part of it.

Any comments appreciated.

Thanks.....

David S>

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith" <foo@localhost>
wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>
>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.

G'day G'day David,

Congratulations. There was a time when we had a 5% club and someone
generated a cyber certificate specially to celebrate the occasion. You
certainly deserve on for making such an improvement.

>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine and
>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>
>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>average was ~100.
>
>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
>80.
>
>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
>a large part of it.

There are so many changes. Firstly the ones you've mentioned. Then
there are likely to be ones you haven't considered. I say that only
because here our diets change quite markedly whether we intend it or
not as different crops come into season. You could try reintroducing
some of the items you've taken out and see what happens but why would
you bother. It could be as simple as your calorie consumption going
down. Take out wine and cheese and calories are bound to drop and that
would have nothing specifically to do with either food item.

>Any comments appreciated.
>
>Thanks.....
>
>David S>
>
Best wishes David and congratulations on your continued success.
Here's to more of it.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith"
<foo@localhost> wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>
>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>
>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine and
>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>
>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>average was ~100.
>
>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
>80.
>
>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
>a large part of it.
>
>Any comments appreciated.
>
>Thanks.....
>
>David S>
>
Congratulations David.

I honestly don't know why you improved, but as wine is a
staple part of my regimen and I drink a couple of glasses of
diet soft drink most days, I hope it was something
completely different:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:i5avk359o1olio3fqvoipb311a01j1kk27@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith"
> <foo@localhost> wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>>
>>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>>
>>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine
>>and
>>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>>
>>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>>average was ~100.
>>
>>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90
>>and
>>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low
>>as
>>80.
>>
>>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas
>>were
>>a large part of it.
>>
>>Any comments appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks.....
>>
>>David S>
>>
> Congratulations David.
>
> I honestly don't know why you improved, but as wine is a
> staple part of my regimen and I drink a couple of glasses of
> diet soft drink most days, I hope it was something
> completely different:-)

There was information published locally recently from the medical community
that seemed to imply that the hormonal system could not tell the difference
between real sugar and artificial sweeteners. It implied that diet soda was
no different than full sugar sodas as far as contribution to development of
T2 diabetes.

I quit the artificial sweeteners for a different reason, although the
characterization above is also quite compelling. After years of drinking
diet sodas I found that they had started to give me an asthma like reaction
in the upper chest bronchial area.

Thanks for your input Quentin and Alan.

David S>

David, diabetes is a very complicated disease. what works for you might
not work for others. But since you seem to think that eliminating those
things from your diet helped you get lower numbers, then they did. And
congratulations to you.

Loretta

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:09:15 +1100, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith"
><foo@localhost> wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>>
>>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>>
>>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine and
>>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>>
>>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>>average was ~100.
>>
>>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
>>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
>>80.
>>
>>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
>>a large part of it.
>>
>>Any comments appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks.....
>>
>>David S>
>>
>Congratulations David.
>
>I honestly don't know why you improved, but as wine is a
>staple part of my regimen and I drink a couple of glasses of
>diet soft drink most days, I hope it was something
>completely different:-)
>
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.


Short time results seems to be of little value in
getting real answers. There are too many
variables. Is seems to be the source of many
of the faulty theories. As of today you
have a lifetime disease.

It is best to take a slow approach in
finding answers.
j

<guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:09:15 +1100, Alan S
> <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith"
>><foo@localhost> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Folks,
>>>
>>>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>>>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>>>
>>>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>>>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>>>
>>>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine
>>>and
>>>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>>>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>>>
>>>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>>>average was ~100.
>>>
>>>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but
>>>then
>>>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90
>>>and
>>>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low
>>>as
>>>80.
>>>
>>>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas
>>>were
>>>a large part of it.
>>>
>>>Any comments appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks.....
>>>
>>>David S>
>>>
>>Congratulations David.
>>
>>I honestly don't know why you improved, but as wine is a
>>staple part of my regimen and I drink a couple of glasses of
>>diet soft drink most days, I hope it was something
>>completely different:-)
>>
>>
>>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>>d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>
>
> Short time results seems to be of little value in
> getting real answers. There are too many
> variables. Is seems to be the source of many
> of the faulty theories. As of today you
> have a lifetime disease.
>
> It is best to take a slow approach in
> finding answers.

Hi Guys

I am well aware that there is no cure for diabetes -only control.
Certainly if I eat the simple refined carbs my BG skyrockets like anyone
else in the club.
Just thought I would share what I perceived to be something incredible from
such a change. Will keep you updated.

Later...

David S>

There still is a 5% club

go to the website www.alt-support-diabetes.org and look up the people who
are listed under 5% club

you only go onto the list when you first make it to the 5% club....... and
there are no bones if you slip to the 6% club

:-)

leave a message for the webmaster if you appreciate his work ! ! !

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith" <foo@localhost>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>>
>>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>
> G'day G'day David,
>
> Congratulations. There was a time when we had a 5% club and someone
> generated a cyber certificate specially to celebrate the occasion. You
> certainly deserve on for making such an improvement.
>
>>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine
>>and
>>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>>
>>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>>average was ~100.
>>
>>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90
>>and
>>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low
>>as
>>80.
>>
>>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas
>>were
>>a large part of it.
>
> There are so many changes. Firstly the ones you've mentioned. Then
> there are likely to be ones you haven't considered. I say that only
> because here our diets change quite markedly whether we intend it or
> not as different crops come into season. You could try reintroducing
> some of the items you've taken out and see what happens but why would
> you bother. It could be as simple as your calorie consumption going
> down. Take out wine and cheese and calories are bound to drop and that
> would have nothing specifically to do with either food item.
>
>>Any comments appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks.....
>>
>>David S>
>>
> Best wishes David and congratulations on your continued success.
> Here's to more of it.
> --
> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
> New Zealand, >#,#< [
> / \ /\
> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith" <foo@localhost>
wrote:

>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
>80.
>
>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
>a large part of it.

Very nice results! But I doubt the wine has much to do with it. Maybe
the diet sodas - they seem to spark insulin release in some people,
therefore increasing fat storage.

Has your weight changed? - though it's a bit early to see changes on
that yet, maybe.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith" <foo@localhost>
> wrote:
>
>>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90
>>and
>>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low
>>as
>>80.
>>
>>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas
>>were
>>a large part of it.
>
> Very nice results! But I doubt the wine has much to do with it. Maybe
> the diet sodas - they seem to spark insulin release in some people,
> therefore increasing fat storage.
>
> Has your weight changed? - though it's a bit early to see changes on
> that yet, maybe.

Lost about 3 pounds. in the last six weeks(163 lbs).I find my weight varies
3 lbs +- depending on the level of salty food intake/vs water -the more
water the more the weight drops.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:43:11 -0500, "David Smith" <foo@localhost>
wrote:

>Hi Folks,
>
>I am a regular reader but seldom post. Just thought I would share the
>results of lifestyle changes I instituted about six weeks ago.
>
>I was diagnosed T2 in 1999 with an A1C of 8.7. Since then through diet
>exercise and weight loss I have regularly been around 5.6.
>
>Six weeks ago I changed my diet by eliminating all alcohol (mainly wine and
>spirits before) , dairy(mainly ate hard cheeses before), diet sodas, and
>caffeine. I now drink only water and herbal teas.
>
>I test regularly before and 2hrs after meals. Before this change my BG
>average was ~100.
>
>Nothing much happened for about 2 weeks after I made the change, but then
>for the last 4 weeks my testing results average has dropped by 10% to 90 and
>under, as low as 88 at one point. Before meals many times now I am as low as
>80.
>
>I don't know exactly what it was but I suspect the wine and diet sodas were
>a large part of it.
>
>Any comments appreciated.
>
>Thanks.....
>
>David S>
>


the diet sodas had zero to with it. If you were drinking red wine in
the amount actually recommended by diabetes specialists then it wasn't
the wine either. If you were over indulging in the wine it probably
helped to cut it back and even out. Caffeine can cause BG rises in
some people. Dairy, usually milk in excess will cause problems with
BG control because of the milk sugar ie Lactose. Hard cheeses don't
usually pose a problem unless again you were eating to excess.

No-one can really say with certainty because you give no quantities
per meal to base any comparison on.

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