A cheese/calcium/fat question

Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
Just have another question please.
I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after doing
the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am getting
some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get calcium
from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg
calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
per day - trans fat next to zero
I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?

Am grateful for your help

David wrote:
> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
> Just have another question please.
> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
> doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low -
> I am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for
> me is to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day
> that gives me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a bit of
> saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat per day - trans fat next to
> zero I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
> Am grateful for your help

I eat low fat yoghurt as a stand alone snack, doesn't affect my bg's like
milk does. Low fat cottage cheese, low fat cheese (0.2% fat is one cheese I
have - plastic cheese though), fish with bones - like canned salmon and
sardines. Tofu and lots of green vegetables helps add to the total.
Legumes, especially soy beans. Oyster, I am lucky to get some for free once
a week. If you feel you can't get enough try a calcium/magnesium supplement
(those two minerals are synergestic).

If you are going to cut out sat and trans fats then make sure you replace
them with good fats that provide EFA's (essential fatty acids). EFA's
cannot be produced by the body and a low fat diet will quite simply not do
your health any favours.

David wrote:
> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
> Just have another question please.
> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after doing
> the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am getting
> some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get calcium
> from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg
> calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
> per day - trans fat next to zero
> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
> Am grateful for your help
>
>
brocolli???

and what Ozgirl said

add vit D to the calcium supplement if you go that way........ the
calcium supplement should tout itself as 'bone building formula' and
already have the additional vitamins/minerals in it

ask your pharmacist


--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
> Just have another question please.
> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
> doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am
> getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to
> get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me
> around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms
> saturated fat per day - trans fat next to zero
> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
> Am grateful for your help

Fish with bones, like sardines are high in calcium. So are leafy greens. I
mince up Swiss Chard very fine and mix it into things like hambuger gravy
and soup. I put spinach in meatloaf.

I can't eat cheese because I'm allergic, but before I knew of the allergy, I
ate it every day and didn't worry about the sat fat.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?

David,

Have you come across these lists? Dead handy for diet tweaking.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html

Nicky (Not personally terribly worried about sat fat...)
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>> Just have another question please.
>> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
>> doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low -
>> I am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for
>> me is to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day
>> that gives me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a bit of
>> saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat per day - trans fat next to
>> zero I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated
>> fats.
>> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>
>> Am grateful for your help
>
> I eat low fat yoghurt as a stand alone snack, doesn't affect my bg's like
> milk does. Low fat cottage cheese, low fat cheese (0.2% fat is one cheese
> I have - plastic cheese though), fish with bones - like canned salmon and
> sardines. Tofu and lots of green vegetables helps add to the total.
> Legumes, especially soy beans. Oyster, I am lucky to get some for free
> once a week. If you feel you can't get enough try a calcium/magnesium
> supplement (those two minerals are synergestic).
>
> If you are going to cut out sat and trans fats then make sure you replace
> them with good fats that provide EFA's (essential fatty acids). EFA's
> cannot be produced by the body and a low fat diet will quite simply not do
> your health any favours.
>
Excellent - foods I never thought of. Thanks for that -
>
>

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:482f672e$0$1021$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>> Just have another question please.
>> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
>> doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I
>> am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is
>> to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives
>> me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30
>> gms saturated fat per day - trans fat next to zero
>> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>
>> Am grateful for your help
>
> Fish with bones, like sardines are high in calcium. So are leafy greens.
> I mince up Swiss Chard very fine and mix it into things like hambuger
> gravy and soup. I put spinach in meatloaf.
>
> I can't eat cheese because I'm allergic, but before I knew of the allergy,
> I ate it every day and didn't worry about the sat fat.

Never realized about sardines - and thanks for the tips - my wife said she
will help me!

>

"Tiger_Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>> Just have another question please.
>> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
>> doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I
>> am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is
>> to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives
>> me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30
>> gms saturated fat per day - trans fat next to zero
>> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>
>> Am grateful for your help
> brocolli???
>
> and what Ozgirl said
>
> add vit D to the calcium supplement if you go that way........ the calcium
> supplement should tout itself as 'bone building formula' and already have
> the additional vitamins/minerals in it
>
> ask your pharmacist
>

Will learn to like brocoli! I just dont trust anything in pill form -
trying to get it from food
Thanks Ozgirl

>
> --
> kate
> type 1 since 1987
> www.diabetic-talk.org
> http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
> David,
>
> Have you come across these lists? Dead handy for diet tweaking.
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html

Nikki I think I love you! Never knew such a link existed! Wonderful to have
that tool. Just what I need
Thank you


>
> Nicky (Not personally terribly worried about sat fat...)
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>Just have another question please.
>I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after doing
>the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am getting
>some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get calcium
>from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg
>calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
>per day - trans fat next to zero
>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
>Am grateful for your help
>
I eat both cheese and yoghurt. I doubt that I go close to
100gm daily of cheese, probably never more than 50gm and
rarely that.

However, I would eat a cup or two of plain home-made yoghurt
every couple of days, flavoured with fruit or berries and
Splenda.

Last time I ran a sample daily menu through DWIDB I found
that those, plus the combination of veges I eat, provided
more than enough calcium and I dropped my calcium
supplement.

If you go to this page
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/sr15w301.pdf
and browse down the list, you will find some surprises if
you ignore all the cheeses, milks, yoghurts and cereals.

Collards, Rhubarb, sardines (its the bones, I also eat the
bones in canned salmon), Spinach, Soybeans, and Turnip
greens are high on the list. And there are lots of other
non-starchy choices further down that list.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:00:45 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Will learn to like brocoli! I just dont trust anything in pill form -
>trying to get it from food
>Thanks Ozgirl

Good thinking. I totally agree, but if it isn't possible or
practicable then consider supplementation. But only after
investigating and trialling as you are.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


: Never realized about sardines - and thanks for the tips - my wife said she
: will help me!

: >

Just make sure you don't get the "skinless-boneless" varieties:-). The
reletively inexpensive pink salmon that comes in 15 oz can has soft bones
in it and can be mashed upso they "disappear." ayou can also get the flat
cans of tomato sardines, rather larger than the kind in the little tins
aand try those, but do test to make sure the tomato sauce is OK for you.

Wendy

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>>Just have another question please.
>>I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after
>>doing
>>the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am
>>getting
>>some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get
>>calcium
>>from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800
>>mg
>>calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
>>per day - trans fat next to zero
>>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>
>>Am grateful for your help
>>
> I eat both cheese and yoghurt. I doubt that I go close to
> 100gm daily of cheese, probably never more than 50gm and
> rarely that.
>
> However, I would eat a cup or two of plain home-made yoghurt
> every couple of days, flavoured with fruit or berries and
> Splenda.
>
> Last time I ran a sample daily menu through DWIDB I found
> that those, plus the combination of veges I eat, provided
> more than enough calcium and I dropped my calcium
> supplement.
>
> If you go to this page
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/sr15w301.pdf
> and browse down the list, you will find some surprises if
> you ignore all the cheeses, milks, yoghurts and cereals.
>
> Collards, Rhubarb, sardines (its the bones, I also eat the
> bones in canned salmon), Spinach, Soybeans, and Turnip
> greens are high on the list. And there are lots of other
> non-starchy choices further down that list.

Thanks Alan - great info - ran through the list of foods with calcium and
yes you are right - a few surprises particularly with veg - had no idea the
calcium content of some vegetables.
And good point about the bones - I will only buy canned salmon with bones
now as you say you just mash them
appreciate that thanks

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:00:45 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Will learn to like brocoli! I just dont trust anything in pill form -
>>trying to get it from food
>>Thanks Ozgirl
>
> Good thinking. I totally agree, but if it isn't possible or
> practicable then consider supplementation. But only after
> investigating and trialling as you are.
>
I am trying to be drug free and supps free at some stage!!


>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

: "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:rpa034tennp9ii6nk18t538hcappnc8d43@4ax.com...
: > On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:00:45 +1000, "David"
: > <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
: >
: >>Will learn to like brocoli! I just dont trust anything in pill form -
: >>trying to get it from food
: >>Thanks Ozgirl
: >
: > Good thinking. I totally agree, but if it isn't possible or
: > practicable then consider supplementation. But only after
: > investigating and trialling as you are.
: >
: I am trying to be drug free and supps free at some stage!!

that's fine if it works out for you, but if not, there is no sin in taking
meds or vitamins, minerals, etc, if you need them. Some can control by
diet and exercise alone, others can't or can't after some years as there
may well be more problems as time passes. I, personally, am on drugs, the
same as I have been on for over 12 years now for the diabetes-metfomin,
1000mgs, tice a day, Amaryl 1 gram nightly adn an n 1/3 of the BPmeds I
was on only a year ago. I am an over 20 year typs 2, who became serious
about controllng about 12 yers ago. Currently, little exercise other than
my stretches and PT for sciatica and sacroiliac probles that are salways
with me.

Wendy

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> : "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:rpa034tennp9ii6nk18t538hcappnc8d43@4ax.com...
> : > On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:00:45 +1000, "David"
> : > <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> : >
> : >>Will learn to like brocoli! I just dont trust anything in pill
> form -
> : >>trying to get it from food
> : >>Thanks Ozgirl
> : >
> : > Good thinking. I totally agree, but if it isn't possible or
> : > practicable then consider supplementation. But only after
> : > investigating and trialling as you are.
> : >
> : I am trying to be drug free and supps free at some stage!!
>
> that's fine if it works out for you, but if not, there is no sin in taking
> meds or vitamins, minerals, etc, if you need them. Some can control by
> diet and exercise alone, others can't or can't after some years as there
> may well be more problems as time passes. I, personally, am on drugs, the
> same as I have been on for over 12 years now for the diabetes-metfomin,
> 1000mgs, tice a day, Amaryl 1 gram nightly adn an n 1/3 of the BPmeds I
> was on only a year ago. I am an over 20 year typs 2, who became serious
> about controllng about 12 yers ago. Currently, little exercise other than
> my stretches and PT for sciatica and sacroiliac probles that are salways
> with me.

Yes I take your point Wendy - my sister is also T2 and chides me about my
obsession with not taking drugs - exactly the same as you - takes the meds
and she says 'if it helps me why not'
It makes much more sense to take the drugs than be at risk
Good how you have good control over the years
>
> Wendy
>

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>Just have another question please.
>I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after doing
>the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am getting
>some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get calcium
>from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg
>calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
>per day - trans fat next to zero
>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
>Am grateful for your help

G'day G'day David,

Add the following to your list of favorates. Tonight I decided it
was about time to make a short list of site relevant to diabetics to
make providing the URLs easier.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html

It seems like ricotta cheese might be a good choice for a T2 diabetic.
As always enjoy doing a bit of arithmetic in helping make wise
choices. Pick a few things you might like to eat and work out the
calcium per calorie. It could be cottage cheese is a better choice.
It often is thanks to its higher protein to fat content. However be
aware cheese is manufactured and each recipe creates a different
product so brands differ in how suitable they are for you and your
long term goals.

Let me know what you think. Ask more questions now you're on a roll.
We can all learn from the experience.

I loved ozgirls answers. She hit the nail on the head with fish where
one eats the bones. Canned sardines and salmon fit that category well.
Almonds do well thanks to their magnesium content. Sesame is also and
excellent choice. I've been fascinated to watch a person losing
weight while eating a dessert spoon (maybe a tablespoon) of tahini per
day. On ASD some of us advocate seeds as one of those things that
helps one form a balanced diet. Tahini is one way to do that in a
practical manner. You might like to think about that. There are
fabulous Lebanese dishes suitable for Summer enjoyment. Remember that
food is not only essential for nutrition but also for enjoying fine
things in the company of others.

A glass of wine has a high calcium content. <grin> Well the glass is
calcium silicate. Unfortunately its joke that only engineers and
chemists are likely to appreciate.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>Just have another question please.
>I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But after doing
>the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind of low - I am getting
>some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest way for me is to get calcium
>from cheese - if I have 100 gms of cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg
>calcium but also quite of a bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat
>per day - trans fat next to zero
>I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>
>Am grateful for your help

G'day G'day David,

Thought I might Google to find out what said back a few years.
Here is something of interest relevant to your question. I've added to
it.

The book "The Okinawa Program" by the brothers Wilcox and Suzuki gives
some comparison. Here is a simplified list

% absorption
Tofu 31
Orange juice 31
Soy milk 31
Milk 32
yoghurt 32
Cheddar 32
soy bean dried 16
Kale 59
Broccoli 61
Cabbage 53
Spinach 5

Maybe you're like me and surprised broccoli, kale and cabbage have
such good absorption rates. Its one of the great features of ASD, we
get to check things out and revise what we know when new comers ask
questions. It too easy to think broccoli, kale and cabbage might be
like spinach. Clearly they are not and this is important.

Its the oxalic acid in spinach that reduces the calcium absorption so
dramatically. This is such an important factor that plant breeders
have bred oxalic acid free spinach. Great if you are a gardener and
can buy the seed. Unfortunately I've never seen it sold.

They say one can guess the oxalic acid content by the "fuzzy" feeling
when you taste it. Do I believe it can be done?
Frankly I've never noticed it perhaps others can.

It seems to me there are at least four factors to consider with
calcium sources.

1. % calcium in food.


2. % absorption


3. reasonable serving size.


4. effect on blood pH.


There are those that hypothesize slight changes in blood pH make
profound differences to bone density after several decades. For this
reason I'd like to know more about fresh figs. Fig seem to have a
high calcium level for a fruit and I once read a table that suggested
they raised blood pH significantly compared to other common foods.


On a lighter note, to see how diets really stack up against one
another one could do worse than test them under survival conditions as
occurred with the Roman gladiators. The strong men were referred to a
barley men.

The gladiators were allocated figs as an important part
of their diet. Was this early blood doping?

A slightly more alkaline blood would give the gladiator the ability to
absorb more carbon dioxide much like doping horses with sodium
bicarbonate "milk shakes."

Now since exercise it number one when it comes to living with T2
diabetes perhaps you could try a fig or two. Remember though that
they tend to bump up blood glucose fiercely. Test, test, test

Of course if you eat them before running this might not matter.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>> Just have another question please.
>> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But
>> after doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind
>> of low - I am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest
>> way for me is to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of
>> cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a
>> bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat per day - trans fat
>> next to zero
>> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>
>> Am grateful for your help
>
> G'day G'day David,
>
> Add the following to your list of favourites. Tonight I decided it
> was about time to make a short list of site relevant to diabetics to
> make providing the URLs easier.
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html
>
> It seems like ricotta cheese might be a good choice for a T2 diabetic.
> As always enjoy doing a bit of arithmetic in helping make wise
> choices. Pick a few things you might like to eat and work out the
> calcium per calorie. It could be cottage cheese is a better choice.
> It often is thanks to its higher protein to fat content. However be
> aware cheese is manufactured and each recipe creates a different
> product so brands differ in how suitable they are for you and your
> long term goals.
>
> Let me know what you think. Ask more questions now you're on a roll.
> We can all learn from the experience.
>
> I loved ozgirls answers. She hit the nail on the head with fish where
> one eats the bones. Canned sardines and salmon fit that category well.

It seems that bones in sardines and salmon (canned) is more an Oz/NZ thing.
From what I gather most canned sardines in the US is boneless whereas I have
never seen boneless sardines here.

On Mon, 26 May 2008 20:06:45 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>It seems that bones in sardines and salmon (canned) is more an Oz/NZ thing.
>From what I gather most canned sardines in the US is boneless whereas I have
>never seen boneless sardines here.
>

They come as standard in ours, too.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Nicky wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 20:06:45 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems that bones in sardines and salmon (canned) is more an Oz/NZ thing.
>>From what I gather most canned sardines in the US is boneless whereas I have
>> never seen boneless sardines here.
>>
>
> They come as standard in ours, too.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
bones in here as well (Canada)

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kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

On 5/26/08 3:06 AM, in article 69vgedF351e2qU1@mid.individual.net, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

> Quentin Grady wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
>>> Just have another question please.
>>> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But
>>> after doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind
>>> of low - I am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest
>>> way for me is to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of
>>> cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a
>>> bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat per day - trans fat
>>> next to zero
>>> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
>>> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
>>>
>>> Am grateful for your help
>>
>> G'day G'day David,
>>
>> Add the following to your list of favourites. Tonight I decided it
>> was about time to make a short list of site relevant to diabetics to
>> make providing the URLs easier.
>>
>> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html
>>
>> It seems like ricotta cheese might be a good choice for a T2 diabetic.
>> As always enjoy doing a bit of arithmetic in helping make wise
>> choices. Pick a few things you might like to eat and work out the
>> calcium per calorie. It could be cottage cheese is a better choice.
>> It often is thanks to its higher protein to fat content. However be
>> aware cheese is manufactured and each recipe creates a different
>> product so brands differ in how suitable they are for you and your
>> long term goals.
>>
>> Let me know what you think. Ask more questions now you're on a roll.
>> We can all learn from the experience.
>>
>> I loved ozgirls answers. She hit the nail on the head with fish where
>> one eats the bones. Canned sardines and salmon fit that category well.
>
> It seems that bones in sardines and salmon (canned) is more an Oz/NZ thing.
> From what I gather most canned sardines in the US is boneless whereas I have
> never seen boneless sardines here.
>
>
Not just Oz/NZ. In Canada you can buy sardines both ways, though with bones
is commoner. Salmon always have bones and we catch, can, and send them all
over the world.

--
Martha T2 Canada
1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia

Ozgirl <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
: Quentin Grady wrote:
: > On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:10 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
: > wrote:
: >
: >> Thanks those who have sorted me out about fibre.
: >> Just have another question please.
: >> I've worked out a good diet for myself which I am enjoying. But
: >> after doing the nutritional analysis I find my calcium intake kind
: >> of low - I am getting some calcium out of veg but I find the easiest
: >> way for me is to get calcium from cheese - if I have 100 gms of
: >> cheese a day that gives me around 800 mg calcium but also quite of a
: >> bit of saturated fat i.e. 30 gms saturated fat per day - trans fat
: >> next to zero
: >> I know there is a debate about the harmful effects of saturated fats.
: >> Can you please give me any ideas on what I should be doing?
: >>
: >> Am grateful for your help
: >
: > G'day G'day David,
: >
: > Add the following to your list of favourites. Tonight I decided it
: > was about time to make a short list of site relevant to diabetics to
: > make providing the URLs easier.
: >
: > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcom...k/wt_rank.html
: >
: > It seems like ricotta cheese might be a good choice for a T2 diabetic.
: > As always enjoy doing a bit of arithmetic in helping make wise
: > choices. Pick a few things you might like to eat and work out the
: > calcium per calorie. It could be cottage cheese is a better choice.
: > It often is thanks to its higher protein to fat content. However be
: > aware cheese is manufactured and each recipe creates a different
: > product so brands differ in how suitable they are for you and your
: > long term goals.
: >
: > Let me know what you think. Ask more questions now you're on a roll.
: > We can all learn from the experience.
: >
: > I loved ozgirls answers. She hit the nail on the head with fish where
: > one eats the bones. Canned sardines and salmon fit that category well.

: It seems that bones in sardines and salmon (canned) is more an Oz/NZ thing.
: From what I gather most canned sardines in the US is boneless whereas I have
: never seen boneless sardines here.

Here, in NYC you can get both with and without bones, so I choose the ones
with the bones.

Wendy