Confused and Frustrated

I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
chewable and tasty.

There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).

I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
I'm going to keep doing it.

Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
die!"

I don't eat Breakfast.

For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).

For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
(This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).

For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
(10g carbs, 4g sugar).

Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
4 cups of decaf coffee.

That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
after meals around 120.

One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
job, I would.

Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
Sci-Fi channel.

Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
think?

Thank
John
www.digitalbirdcrap.com

On 7 Jan 2007 23:49:40 -0800, "yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com>
wrote:
>Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
>here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
>die!"

This is the best tool to work out whether what you can eat is safe for
you.
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/...0Diagnosed.htm
>
>I don't eat Breakfast.

Bad because you're not kickstarting your metabolism - and you might be
letting a Dawn Phenomenon run unchecked. Worth checking for the
latter, but if you've been doing it that way for years and you don;t
have DP, not worth bothering about.

>
>For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
>tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
>pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).

Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are?

>
>For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
>leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
>onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
>A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
>dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
>cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
>each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
>(This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).

This is great except for the carbs in the fake beer - I guess this is
a tradeoff you're going to have to make, but the Michelob Ultra Light
beers I drink (light in carbs, not alcohol) are, I think, 6g per
bottle.

>That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
>100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
>after meals around 120.

These numbers are not bad at all. Your diet looks pretty reasonable in
terms of nutrition, too. How's the exercise part of the equation? A
walk an hour after a meal would allow you more discretion...

Nicky.
T2 DX 05/2004
A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
100ug Thyroxine

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168242580.360063.190900@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com...
>I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
> pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
> pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
> that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
> vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
> except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
> meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
> chewable and tasty.

Reading about what to eat and being able to eat it are two different things.

I don't eat a lot of fruit. I don't like fruit. I do can applesauce and
pears, both with some sugar and I can eat those in limited amounts with no
problems.

Test your BG before you eat. Should be <110. Test at two hours after
eating. Should be <120. Those are the ideal numbers. If that's what you
have, then fine. If not, your diet isn't working for you. And what's wrong
with fat? Except that it delays the absporption of carbs. So a little fat
is fine. A lot is not. Can cause you to go hypo when you least expect it
or spike at some weird time.
>
> There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
> fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
> and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
> trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
> I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
> be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).

Eating the same things is not a problem so long as it's a balanced diet.
>
> I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
> carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
> My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
> my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
> told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
> afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
> a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
> performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
> I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
> I'm going to keep doing it.

Sugar is a carb just like any other. Of course it's an empty calories so it
depends on how you're looking at it. Nutritionally speaking? Or in terms
of BG?

The drinking however needs to be monitored if you have diabetes. Treat
alcohol as a fat because that's how it's metabolized in the body. And
factor in those carbs!
>
> Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
> here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
> die!"
>
> I don't eat Breakfast.

Bad idea. If you don't break the fast, your BG will go higher. Even if
it's a cracker and a piece of cheese, you must eat something.
>
> For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
> tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
> pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).

Waaay too many carbs for me but might work for you. Plus I hate Subway. No
matter how big the sandwich, it doesn't fill me up and it doesn't taste
good. It's all lettuce and not much else.
>
> For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
> leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
> onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
> A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
> dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
> cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
> each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
> (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).

Seems okay except for the beer. You don't need the carbs from that.
>
> For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
> (10g carbs, 4g sugar).

Why do you need dessert? I never have it. But again, if your BG is fine
then I guess it's fine for you. That meal would be too many carbs for me
again though. And too much food. But then I'm a woman.
>
> Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
> cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
> 4 cups of decaf coffee.

No problems there.
>
> That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
> 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
> after meals around 120.

Try adding a bit of fat to the meals, but otherwise the numbers seem okay.
>
> One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
> reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
> wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
> on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
> bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
> sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
> job, I would.

Dunno, but you should try to find the cause of it.
>
> Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
> towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
> within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
> meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
> stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
> Sci-Fi channel.
>
> Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
> into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
> think?

Seems like your numbers are pretty good.

Nicky wrote:
> Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are?

Yes, they do... gross tasting though.

> ......but the Michelob Ultra Light
> beers I drink (light in carbs, not alcohol) are, I think, 6g per
> bottle.

Cool, I'll buy some and try it, thanks. Even if I don't like it at
first I'll get used to it just like I did the O'Doul's, which I didn't
like at first....haha.

> How's the exercise part of the equation? A
> walk an hour after a meal would allow you more discretion...

Well, I try to do a lot of unnecessary (tensing) moving around for that
purpose. Very small amount of light daily weights - 10lbs. Short daily
Sai Kata. No walking (neuropathy in feet is painful).

Oh yeah! I left out Mayo on the sub and two pieces of Pepperidge Farm
Carb Style Whole Wheat Bread (8g carbs - less than 1g sugar each - My
God, 4 bucks a loaf) with Smart Balance imitation butter-like goo with
dinner.

Thanks for the response and suggestions - much appreciated from someone
more experiences with all this than I.

John
www.johnniemccoy.com

yeah-sure wrote:
> Nicky wrote:
>> Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are?
>
> Yes, they do... gross tasting though.
>
>> ......but the Michelob Ultra Light
>> beers I drink (light in carbs, not alcohol) are, I think,
6g per
>> bottle.
>
> Cool, I'll buy some and try it, thanks. Even if I don't
like it at
> first I'll get used to it just like I did the O'Doul's,
which I didn't
> like at first....haha.
>
>> How's the exercise part of the equation? A
>> walk an hour after a meal would allow you more
discretion...
>
> Well, I try to do a lot of unnecessary (tensing) moving
around for
> that purpose. Very small amount of light daily weights -
10lbs. Short
> daily Sai Kata. No walking (neuropathy in feet is
painful).

I get foot pain around 140. The single most effective tool
for neuropathy is maintaining near non-diabetic numbers as
much as possible. Perhaps spacing your carbs out more would
help with those 150 spikes after meals. For example take the
grapes to a stand alone snack rather than part of a meal
that already has carbs.

Swimming is ideal exercise if you can't do weight bearing
stuff. Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a
long spin.

When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you
mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk
or eating ice cream? If so, move the ice-cream to another
snack time? A good bedtime snack is a wholegrain (rye is
good) cracker with some fat and protein (chicken and mayo,
cheese or peanut butter, chicken and avocado etc). That
helps some keep the morning fasting readings down.

Try an open sandwich (1 slice of bread with meat, fish or
chicken etc with salad veggies and ranch dressing or cottage
cheese) and save the other slice of bread for a snack. So
same foods throughout the day but carbs spaced out for less
bg impact at any one time. You could also try a glass of red
wine with your evening meal instead of the beer. Red wine is
touted as being good for heart health.

yeah-sure wrote:
> I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
> pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
> pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
> that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
> vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
> except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
> meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
> chewable and tasty.
>
> There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
> fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
> and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
> trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
> I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
> be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).
>
> I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
> carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
> My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
> my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
> told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
> afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
> a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
> performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
> I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
> I'm going to keep doing it.
>
> Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
> here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
> die!"
>
> I don't eat Breakfast.
>
> For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
> tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
> pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).
>
> For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
> leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
> onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
> A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
> dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
> cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
> each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
> (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).
>
> For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
> (10g carbs, 4g sugar).
>
> Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
> cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
> 4 cups of decaf coffee.
>
> That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
> 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
> after meals around 120.
>
> One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
> reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
> wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
> on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
> bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
> sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
> job, I would.
>
> Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
> towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
> within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
> meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
> stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
> Sci-Fi channel.
>
> Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
> into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
> think?

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May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear John
whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
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Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

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On 8 Jan 2007 01:59:37 -0800, "yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Nicky wrote:
>> Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are?
>
>Yes, they do... gross tasting though.

You can get used to fake beer, but not low-carb wraps? : )

Nicky.
T2 DX 05/2004
A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
100ug Thyroxine

First, I want to say it sounds like you are on the right tract. You are
taking good steps to improve your diet, cutting down on alcohol, and
checking your blood sugar. This is a lot more than many people with
diabetes do.

It sounds to me that you are trying to find out more about your disease and
what you can do to improve your health. I think the big problem is that you
haven't found a good source. I think you need to go back to your doctor and
ask for a referral to a nutritionist who is familiar with diabetes or to a
diabetes education program. It sounds to me that you are trying to do this
alone when there should be excellent resources where you live.

You should also find *good* books about diabetes and learn all you can.

I would also talk to your doctor about whether you should be drikning at
all. My guess is that what you are doing (abour 4 or 5 drinks a week, it
sounds like) is perfectly fine.

Someone else mentioned a good word: Excercise. My guess is that you need to
get more excercise. You definitely need to make sure that regular excercise
is part of your plan and that you need to talk to your doctor about this.

Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit you
as well. You suggested that you don't ger recognized at work. There was also
frustration about how things are going in your letter. I can't tell from
the tone of your letter if this is a major problem or if this is just a
little frustration from what is going on.

Good luck. Please keep us posted on your progress.

Jeff

Rev 6:1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I
heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!"
2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and
he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.



"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love2@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> yeah-sure wrote:
>> I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
>> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
>> pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
>> pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
>> that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
>> vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
>> except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
>> meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
>> chewable and tasty.
>>
>> There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
>> fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
>> and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
>> trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
>> I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
>> be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).
>>
>> I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
>> carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
>> My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
>> my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
>> told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
>> afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
>> a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
>> performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
>> I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
>> I'm going to keep doing it.
>>
>> Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
>> here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
>> die!"
>>
>> I don't eat Breakfast.
>>
>> For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
>> tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
>> pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).
>>
>> For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
>> leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
>> onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
>> A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
>> dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
>> cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
>> each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
>> (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).
>>
>> For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
>> (10g carbs, 4g sugar).
>>
>> Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
>> cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
>> 4 cups of decaf coffee.
>>
>> That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
>> 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
>> after meals around 120.
>>
>> One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
>> reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
>> wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
>> on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
>> bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
>> sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
>> job, I would.
>>
>> Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
>> towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
>> within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
>> meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
>> stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
>> Sci-Fi channel.
>>
>> Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
>> into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
>> think?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...ee7e976824b48?
>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
> neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear John
> whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>
> Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed:
>
> http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
>
> ... and continue to be blessed:
>
> http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee
>
> (note: Only those who are blessed by LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of
> heaven and earth, will have access to these and other related
> OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by
> TheWellnessFoundation.com)
>

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:49:40 -0800, yeah-sure wrote:

> I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
> pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
> pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
> that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
> vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
> except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
> meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
> chewable and tasty.
>
> There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
> fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
> and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
> trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
> I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
> be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).

I heartily recommend you read Dr. Richard Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution"
- I have modified my diet according to his guidelines, and it does make a
difference. Any time I stray very far the BG starts up. You'd also be well
advised to start an exercise program - bicycle if you hate walking,
whatever but do it - regularly.

>
> I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
> carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
> My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
> my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
> told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
> afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
> a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
> performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
> I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
> I'm going to keep doing it.

IMHO - you can't hardly have too few carbs. Wine is best a dry red wine if
you imbibe. Beer I limit to the occasional meal with pasta or pizza.

>
> Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
> here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
> die!"
>
> I don't eat Breakfast.

You need to. Else your BG will keep increasing - see 'dawn phenomenon'.

>
> For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
> tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
> pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).

I'd scrap the bun and the doritos.

>
> For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
> leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
> onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
> A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
> dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
> cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
> each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
> (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).

tomato and onion do indeed have some carbs. Grapes are high. Cottage
cheese should be replaced by a firm cheese. - dump the o'douls that's too
much carbs. FYI - Dr. Bernstein recommends a TOTAL of about 30 grams carbs
per day.

>
> For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
> (10g carbs, 4g sugar).
>
> Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
> cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
> 4 cups of decaf coffee.
>
> That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
> 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
> after meals around 120.
>
> One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
> reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
> wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
> on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
> bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
> sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
> job, I would.
>
> Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
> towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
> within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
> meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
> stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
> Sci-Fi channel.
>
> Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
> into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
> think?
>
> Thank
> John
> www.digitalbirdcrap.com

IMHO - you're killing yourself with way too many carbs.

I stop reading after your first line I dont eat breakfast. It is the
most important meal of the day. You may fijnd that you have higher
numbers as you get to lunch, because your liver has to dump gluose to
protect your body. YOu are doing yourself a disservice.

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

Jeff wrote:

> Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit you
> as well.

I understand that I have mental health issues and, after many
conversations with my bartender, have concluded that they can,
probably, be resolved by an experienced hooker. My original post,
slightly dramatized in an, obviously, failed attempt at light humor,
may very well have contained hints (subconscious and undeliberate - 'is
that a word?') suggesting to the reader that some form of emotional
guidance would be helpful given this new and decidedly unwelcome
influence in my life. It's something to think about. Actually, I
believe everyone can benefit from a little therapy. (Ever notice when
someone says, "...something to think about," it's something they intend
to forget - and by saying, "..... everyone can benefit," I generalize
the issue away from me, personally? I guess that, in itself,
demonstrates my need for counseling...lol) Seriously, Jeff, giving your
observation thought - I think my mental health issue is more the need
to accept my diabetes as a serious fact rather than an annoying
nuisance. I don't think the reality has sunk in quite yet. In
considering your statement (yes, when people speak, I listen), it
occurred to me that I may be treating diet and lifestyle changes more
as a hobby than a requirement. So, in the spirit of, "It's something to
think about," (lol) in the future I'll, mentally, refer to your
observation when I find myself lollygagging around about my condition.
A newly recognized and valuable new tool.

> You suggested that you don't ger recognized at work.

Just another, pitifully failed attempted at humor on my part.

> There was also frustration about how things are going in your letter. I can't tell from
> the tone of your letter if this is a major problem or if this is just a
> little frustration from what is going on.

Frustration-wise, my only problem, and this has got to be very common
among the newly diagnosed, is there not being a standardized (simple)
menu, or list of foods.... you know, "OK, I'm a diabetic so I'll just
eat this stuff from now on."

Standard dialog, in a discussion of what to eat, seems to be:
"You can eat Kiwis, but maybe not.... and never during a full moon.
Test after eating them.... if bg is high, eat a carrot instead - never
eat carrots. Never eat carbs.... eat some carbs."
Ok, ridiculous but, to the newbie, each individual bit of information
is like a single worm in big can of worms all squiggling and squirming
around in a confusing mass. One searches for a species of worms that
march in ordered ranks and, not finding, them becomes frustrated......
(jeez, Jeff, I just read that back.... you're right! I do need a
shrink!).

Anyway, most seem to agree that my present diet is an adequate basis to
build on, which was the reassurance I was seeking, so I'm sure the
frustration will diminish with experience and continued attention to
this group. My experience with the professional health community, so to
speak, has been limited to my one doctor telling me I have diabetes and
to limit my intake of sugar and starches and to prescribe Lyrica for
neuropathy, Actos and vitamins. I thought that was all there was to it.
After finding this group, I am stunned, amazed, that I was turned loose
with little more than a "don't eat sugar" statement from my doctor. I
suspect this is common.

Thanks
John
www.askunclejohn.com

Ozgirl wrote:
>.... Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a
> long spin.

Now THERE'S an idea.... excellent solution, since I can't walk a lot.
This, I'll do. Thank you!!!

> When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you
> mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk
> or eating ice cream? If so, move the ice-cream to another
> snack time? A good bedtime snack is a wholegrain (rye is
> good) cracker with some fat and protein (chicken and mayo,
> cheese or peanut butter, chicken and avocado etc). That
> helps some keep the morning fasting readings down.

A congenital sinus condition - sister had it and so did my mother.
Smoking doesn't help but my sister didn't smoke. (don't even start)

Thanks
John
www.webawebadoo.com (for my grand daughter)

x-no-archive: yes

yeah-sure wrote:

> Frustration-wise, my only problem, and this has got to be very common
> among the newly diagnosed, is there not being a standardized (simple)
> menu, or list of foods.... you know, "OK, I'm a diabetic so I'll just
> eat this stuff from now on."
>
> Standard dialog, in a discussion of what to eat, seems to be:
> "You can eat Kiwis, but maybe not.... and never during a full moon.
> Test after eating them.... if bg is high, eat a carrot instead - never
> eat carrots. Never eat carbs.... eat some carbs."

If you want to keep it simple and not have to do a lot of testing to
figure out what to eat, just eat meat, fish, dairy and non starchy
veggies. If you want more variety, you have to be more willing to test
a lot and figure out your own best eating plan.

Susan

Julie Bove wrote:
> Test your BG before you eat. Should be <110. Test at two hours after
> eating. Should be <120. Those are the ideal numbers. If that's what you
> have, then fine. If not, your diet isn't working for you. And what's wrong
> with fat? Except that it delays the absporption of carbs. So a little fat
> is fine. A lot is not. Can cause you to go hypo when you least expect it
> or spike at some weird time.

I think I probably have this covered..... some fat. George, my dog,
doesn't get all the chicken skin. I generally burn it and, anyway, I
like the crisp part.

> Why do you need dessert? I never have it. But again, if your BG is fine
> then I guess it's fine for you. That meal would be too many carbs for me
> again though. And too much food. But then I'm a woman.
> Seems like your numbers are pretty good.

Why dessert?..... Other than loving Ice Cream, fate has seen fit to
deny me the goodies that bring light to the eyes of my inner child.
It's my small defiance.... my crying, "Up yours!" to fate. Besides,
George doesn't like to eat alone.

Thanks
John
www.askunclejohn.com

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168299227.875678.176140@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
> Jeff wrote:
>
>> Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit
>> you
>> as well.
>
> I understand that I have mental health issues and, after many
> conversations with my bartender, have concluded that they can,
> probably, be resolved by an experienced hooker. My original post,
> slightly dramatized in an, obviously, failed attempt at light humor,
> may very well have contained hints (subconscious and undeliberate - 'is
> that a word?') suggesting to the reader that some form of emotional
> guidance would be helpful given this new and decidedly unwelcome
> influence in my life. It's something to think about. Actually, I
> believe everyone can benefit from a little therapy. (Ever notice when
> someone says, "...something to think about," it's something they intend
> to forget - and by saying, "..... everyone can benefit," I generalize
> the issue away from me, personally? I guess that, in itself,
> demonstrates my need for counseling...lol) Seriously, Jeff, giving your
> observation thought - I think my mental health issue is more the need
> to accept my diabetes as a serious fact rather than an annoying
> nuisance. I don't think the reality has sunk in quite yet. In
> considering your statement (yes, when people speak, I listen), it
> occurred to me that I may be treating diet and lifestyle changes more
> as a hobby than a requirement. So, in the spirit of, "It's something to
> think about," (lol) in the future I'll, mentally, refer to your
> observation when I find myself lollygagging around about my condition.
> A newly recognized and valuable new tool.
>
>> You suggested that you don't ger recognized at work.
>
> Just another, pitifully failed attempted at humor on my part.
>
>> There was also frustration about how things are going in your letter. I
>> can't tell from
>> the tone of your letter if this is a major problem or if this is just a
>> little frustration from what is going on.
>
> Frustration-wise, my only problem, and this has got to be very common
> among the newly diagnosed, is there not being a standardized (simple)
> menu, or list of foods.... you know, "OK, I'm a diabetic so I'll just
> eat this stuff from now on."
>
> Standard dialog, in a discussion of what to eat, seems to be:
> "You can eat Kiwis, but maybe not.... and never during a full moon.
> Test after eating them.... if bg is high, eat a carrot instead - never
> eat carrots. Never eat carbs.... eat some carbs."
> Ok, ridiculous but, to the newbie, each individual bit of information
> is like a single worm in big can of worms all squiggling and squirming
> around in a confusing mass. One searches for a species of worms that
> march in ordered ranks and, not finding, them becomes frustrated......
> (jeez, Jeff, I just read that back.... you're right! I do need a
> shrink!).
>
> Anyway, most seem to agree that my present diet is an adequate basis to
> build on, which was the reassurance I was seeking, so I'm sure the
> frustration will diminish with experience and continued attention to
> this group. My experience with the professional health community, so to
> speak, has been limited to my one doctor telling me I have diabetes and
> to limit my intake of sugar and starches and to prescribe Lyrica for
> neuropathy, Actos and vitamins. I thought that was all there was to it.
> After finding this group, I am stunned, amazed, that I was turned loose
> with little more than a "don't eat sugar" statement from my doctor. I
> suspect this is common.

This, I think, is the root of your frustration. Ask your doctor for a
consultation with a nutritionist.

A lot of hospitals have education programs for diabetics.

You may also want to get a consultation with a diabetes specialist or
endocrinologist.

I am concerned that you have neuropathy, and this is all the doc did.

Jeff


> Thanks
> John
> www.askunclejohn.com
>

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168299877.431325.299760@s80g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Ozgirl wrote:
>>.... Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a
>> long spin.
>
> Now THERE'S an idea.... excellent solution, since I can't walk a lot.
> This, I'll do. Thank you!!!

If you can ride a bike, try that. If you can't, you might be able to ride
one of those adult-sized tricycles.

Another option is going to a pool (like a YMCA or YMHA) and getting so
excercise there.

I don't know what kind of mobility problems you have, but increasing your
mobility and excercise will help a lot. See whomever you need to, like an
orthopedic surgeon, physical therapist or physiatrist (a doc who specializes
in rehabilitation medicine). Of course, you should start with your primary
care doctor.

Jeff

>> When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you
>> mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk
>> or eating ice cream? If so, move the ice-cream to another
>> snack time? A good bedtime snack is a wholegrain (rye is
>> good) cracker with some fat and protein (chicken and mayo,
>> cheese or peanut butter, chicken and avocado etc). That
>> helps some keep the morning fasting readings down.
>
> A congenital sinus condition - sister had it and so did my mother.
> Smoking doesn't help but my sister didn't smoke. (don't even start)
>
> Thanks
> John
> www.webawebadoo.com (for my grand daughter)
>

Jeff wrote:
> If you can ride a bike, try that. If you can't, you might be able to ride
> one of those adult-sized tricycles.

Guess I oughta get a bike.... been thinking that it would be painful on
feet but maybe not. I'll borrow one and try it.

> Another option is going to a pool (like a YMCA or YMHA) and getting so
> excercise there.

Once, when I was a kid, my little sister pooped in the pool. My father
drained it.... made a big comotion about it. Didn't bother me then but
keeps me out of public pools now.

> I don't know what kind of mobility problems you have, but increasing your
> mobility and excercise will help a lot.

Not exactly an invalid.... can walk but impaired to a certain extent.
Definitely given up my career as a professional tennis bum. These
suggestions I'm getting here (some yes, some no) are broadening my
options.

Thanks
John
www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/thewayIseeit.html

Ricavito wrote:
>...... what works for me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that.
> Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to
> your morning routine if you can work it in. YMMV!

I assume by "YMMV" you mean "yummie." Somehow, I can't attach "yummie"
to a can of asparagus for breakfast but, if you say so, I'll try it.
(...no I won't,,,yuk). I think I'll just do the "Sometimes I add fruit
of a piece of toast" part.

Any suggestions on totally "safe" fruit for gorging?

Thanks
John
www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/page20.html

Susan wrote:
> If you want to keep it simple and not have to do a lot of testing to
> figure out what to eat, just eat meat, fish, dairy and non starchy
> veggies.

I guess that's what I've been doing out of laziness. My version of
"kiss." I think I've figured out - If it grows underground, don't eat
it.

> If you want more variety, you have to be more willing to test
> a lot and figure out your own best eating plan.

I hate it when you're right. It was a lot easier when mom told me what
to eat. I want my mommy.

Thanks
John
www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/promo.html

yeah-sure wrote:
> I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet,
> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources
> pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the
> pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and
> that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except
> vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables....
> except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and
> meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it
> chewable and tasty.
>
> There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble
> fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky
> and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm
> trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum.
> I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would
> be a better word - daily (actually, weekly).
>
> I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many
> carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all.
> My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years,
> my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and
> told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an
> afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or
> a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for
> performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices).
> I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so
> I'm going to keep doing it.
>
> Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it
> here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll
> die!"
>
> I don't eat Breakfast.
>
> For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce,
> tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and
> pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know).
>
> For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken
> leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole
> onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs).
> A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also
> dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half
> cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs
> each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol
> (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine).
>
> For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream
> (10g carbs, 4g sugar).
>
> Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal
> cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or
> 4 cups of decaf coffee.
>
> That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs
> 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours
> after meals around 120.
>
> One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a
> reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I
> wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep
> on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small
> bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g
> sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the
> job, I would.
>
> Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude
> towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking,
> within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work.....
> meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type
> stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the
> Sci-Fi channel.
>
> Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled
> into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya
> think?
>
> Thank
> John
> www.digitalbirdcrap.com

John, you are a funny guy and you have summed up the newbie experience
pretty well. I hope you keep posting about your observations, they are
a hoot :-)

I would just add to others' comments that you should eat breakfast. A
lot of diabetics find they can't eat any/many carbs in the morning, but
some can with no problem, so you have to test to find out what you can
tolerate. I'm always late for work and hate to cook, so what works for
me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that.
Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to
your morning routine if you can work it in. YMMV!

I look forward to your posts.

Best,

Ricavito

yeah-sure wrote:
> Ricavito wrote:
> >...... what works for me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that.
> > Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to
> > your morning routine if you can work it in. YMMV!
>
> I assume by "YMMV" you mean "yummie." Somehow, I can't attach "yummie"
> to a can of asparagus for breakfast but, if you say so, I'll try it.
> (...no I won't,,,yuk). I think I'll just do the "Sometimes I add fruit
> of a piece of toast" part.
>
> Any suggestions on totally "safe" fruit for gorging?
>
> Thanks
> John
> www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/page20.html

YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary!

Well, eat your veggies anyway, take 'em like medicine. Hold your nose
and gulp them down.

Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese
mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found
at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because
I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this
morning.

Best,

Ricavito

I can't swim in public pools either. Just can't do it. :-)

Cheri


yeah-sure wrote in message

>Once, when I was a kid, my little sister pooped in the pool. My father
>drained it.... made a big comotion about it. Didn't bother me then but
>keeps me out of public pools now.

Ricavito wrote:
> YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary!

Thank God..... I was seeing myself, a few years down the road, resigned
to my fate, crawling out of bed in the morning, stumbling to the
kitching hawking and choking..... mumbling, "yummie" to a can of
microwaved green beans.

> Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese
> mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found
> at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because
> I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this
> morning.

Blueberry are safe?... fresh, I assume. And grapefruit? (gotta tree
outside - none on it right now and, being a native Floridian, would be
embarrased to buy them - could get my Yankee friend next door to pick
up a few.... gotta orange tree, too, but was told they were a no no).

Thanks
John
www.gulfcomp.com

A few strawberries work well for me occasionally, as does a small slice
of cantaloupe when it's in season.

Cheri


Ricavito wrote in message

>Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese
>mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found
>at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because
>I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this
>morning.
>
>Best,
>
>Ricavito
>