consensual pedophilia is ok

If you have engaged in consensual sexual conduct with a minor and have
not used force, intimidation, deception, or drugs, then
you are innocent of wrongdoing.

The pe do philia scare is a fake. It is not harmful. That is why they
refuse to allow anyone to discuss the issue openly. It would reveal
that there is much evidence that it is harmless and can be
beneficial.


check out these sources:


Anthropologist Gilbert Herdt on the culture of the Sambia people.


The Rind Report written by two Temple University psychology
professors.

http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=th


The work of professor Harris Mirkin:
http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library..._rind_text.htm

"Harmful to Minors" by journalist Judith Levine


"Love Against Hate" by Karl Meninger, M.D.


Look at this site for new perspectives: Newgon.com



It is even mentioned as common practice in the opera Don Giovanni by
Mozart.


The sex hysteria is being used as a pretext to distract the people
from the failings of the government and to make them fear the
government.


Have you noticed that NGO's and DA's claim to speak for children, but
they never allow the children to speak for themselves?

Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
right?

God help us...

Eric B.

"do the research" <dreamfreak10@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:07a0b13c-5a42-4821-837f-a4e3f18725ea@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> If you have engaged in consensual sexual conduct with a minor and have
> not used force, intimidation, deception, or drugs, then
> you are innocent of wrongdoing.
>
> The pe do philia scare is a fake. It is not harmful. That is why they
> refuse to allow anyone to discuss the issue openly. It would reveal
> that there is much evidence that it is harmless and can be
> beneficial.
>
>
> check out these sources:
>
>
> Anthropologist Gilbert Herdt on the culture of the Sambia people.
>
>
> The Rind Report written by two Temple University psychology
> professors.
>
> http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=th
>
>
> The work of professor Harris Mirkin:
> http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library..._rind_text.htm
>
> "Harmful to Minors" by journalist Judith Levine
>
>
> "Love Against Hate" by Karl Meninger, M.D.
>
>
> Look at this site for new perspectives: Newgon.com
>
>
>
> It is even mentioned as common practice in the opera Don Giovanni by
> Mozart.
>
>
> The sex hysteria is being used as a pretext to distract the people
> from the failings of the government and to make them fear the
> government.
>
>
> Have you noticed that NGO's and DA's claim to speak for children, but
> they never allow the children to speak for themselves?
>
>

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500, "Eric B."
<bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:

>Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
>homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
>right?

Are they diabetic?

--
BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005
May 2007 A1c 5.5
Oct 2007 Yellow Belt! Yeah!

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.#
<682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B."
<bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:

> Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
> homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
> right?
>
> God help us...

What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'?

--
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"There is no moment like the present. The man who will not execute his
resolutions when they are fresh upon him can have no hope from them
afterwards: they will be dissipated, lost, and perish in the hurry and
scurry of the world, or sunk in the slough of indolence." - Maria Edgeworth

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:21:45 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.#
><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B."
><bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:
>
>> Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
>> homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
>> right?
>>
>> God help us...
>
>What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'?

the original post was not about protecting children from pedophiles
which is always a good thing. It was about wrongfully equating
homosexuality with pedophilia in an attempt to continue spreading hate
towards gays.

World wide, the majority of all pedophiles even those males who attack
boys are heterosexuals. This fact is rarely discussed amongst those
with an agenda of hate.

And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen
of homophobia.

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right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:21:45 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.#
><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B."
><bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:
>
>> Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
>> homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
>> right?
>>
>> God help us...
>
>What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'?

HIistorically, disease takes care of thee problems. On
another issue, we have the right to demand others be responsible for
their offspring.

A few of the billionaire phorn people should have their assets
taken and used to support the unfortunate offspring.

A strict ,oral code was a problem but
now we are seeing the results of it's
decay.

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:21:51 -0600 in Msg.#
<tf93o3lnbjfk3p9sk7hdi78lpbv4v848b2@4ax.com>, guys@consolidated.net wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:21:45 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.#
> ><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B."
> ><bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
> >> homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
> >> right?
> >
> >What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'?
>
> HIistorically, disease takes care of thee problems.

Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.

> On another issue, we have the right to demand others be responsible for
> their offspring.
>
> A few of the billionaire phorn people should have their assets
> taken and used to support the unfortunate offspring.

Porn?!!! We are going far afield, first disease, now porn.

> A strict ,oral code was a problem but now we are seeing the results of it's
> decay.

I'm in favor of oral health of all kinds, including tooth decay, gum care,
etc.. What's that have to do with this?

--
DonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack!

"Resolutions, like the good, die young." - Fulton John Sheen (1895-1979)
THINKING LIFE THROUGH [1955]

In alt.support.diabetes on Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:50:05 -0500 in Msg.#
<att1o3tkvi0s49du3lrdfo7t1o0c595970@4ax.com>, Màck©®
<IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote:

> the original post was not about protecting children from pedophiles
> which is always a good thing. It was about wrongfully equating
> homosexuality with pedophilia in an attempt to continue spreading hate
> towards gays.
>
> World wide, the majority of all pedophiles even those males who attack
> boys are heterosexuals. This fact is rarely discussed amongst those
> with an agenda of hate.
>
> And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen
> of homophobia.

Well put. Pedophiles are almost exclusively non-gay men. Gay & straight
don't really even relate to pedophile status. And, victims are male &
female. And, in some cases, even though pedophiles may have a gender of
choice, they will settle for the other gender. The age range may even be
more important to them than gender, oddly.

But, Mack, I think children go unprotected for many reasons & have for many
dozens of years. Another abhorrent one, besides the homophobic smoke screen,
is adults not believing children making accusations.

--
DonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack!

"One resolution I have made, and try always to keep, is this: To
rise above little things." - John Burroughs (1837-1921)

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:


>
>Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>

What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
that can and are spread from one woman to another?

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:50:05 -0500, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:21:45 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:43 -0500 in Msg.#
>><682dnawT3eeWo-TanZ2dnUVZ_uevnZ2d@ptd.net>, "Eric B."
>><bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Give it a couple of years folks and pedophilia will be as accepted as
>>> homosexuality is today. After all, pedophiles were just "born that way",
>>> right?
>>>
>>> God help us...
>>
>>What is it that people miss about 'consenting adults'?
>
>the original post was not about protecting children from pedophiles
>which is always a good thing. It was about wrongfully equating
>homosexuality with pedophilia in an attempt to continue spreading hate
>towards gays.
>
>World wide, the majority of all pedophiles even those males who attack
>boys are heterosexuals. This fact is rarely discussed amongst those
>with an agenda of hate.
>
>And in the end the children go unprotected because of the smoke screen
>of homophobia.

Amen brother. I have never met a homosexual male that actively
recruited boys to homosexuality.

OTOH, as a teen I did become acquainted with a gay boy who was close
to three years older than me who others told me if he got a chance he
would attempt to seduce me. He did and I told him that I was attracted
to only girls. I doubt very much if he did that once he reached
adulthood and found out there were places where gay adult men met and
socialized.

In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
<6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>
> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
> that can and are spread from one woman to another?

Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
small as to be statistically insignificant.

None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.

--
DonnaB bleary and dreary and tired, oh, my! But I'm baa-ack!

"Every man naturally persuades himself that he can keep his resolutions, nor
is he convinced of his imbecility but by length of time and frequency of
experiment." - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784) PRAYERS AND MEDITATIONS

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>>
>> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
>> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
>> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
>
>Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
>small as to be statistically insignificant.
>
>None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.


no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for
some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some
diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only.
Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for
many years now.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

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--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:14:40 -0500, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
>><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
>><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>>> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>>> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>>>
>>> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
>>> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
>>> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
>>
>>Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
>>small as to be statistically insignificant.
>>
>>None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.
>
>
>no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for
>some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some
>diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only.
>Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for
>many years now.


All kind of excuses circulate about sexually transmitted diseases.

The truth it is one of the best ways to transmit disease. Millions
carry less fatal diseases that were acquired by multiple sex
partners, Many more than are generally publicized.

Before antibiotics there were syphilis victims that we saw in mental
wards with almost complete lack of function of the upper brain.

There may be hundreds items not recognized.

It very close contact and not one of sexual preference.

It is one of multiple sexual contact. With our nature that is
almost impossible to control.

When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and
consider promiscuous women as sewers.

The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem
today.

AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure.

End of a lecture that is needed.

Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society.

I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by
a teasing teen.

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:04:27 -0600, guys@consolidated.net wrote:

>
>When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and
>consider promiscuous women as sewers.

in his case being old did not make him wise.

>
>The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem
>today.
>
>AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure.
>
>End of a lecture that is needed.

no real lecture on any specifics.

>
>Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society.

and never should be.

>
>I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by
>a teasing teen.

Here's the thing about adults and teasing teens. All it takes is for
the adult to act like an adult and the teasing teen becomes an
irritant not a temptation to give into.

The "adult" is supposed to know when to say NO.

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http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>>
>> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
>> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
>> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
>
>Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
>small as to be statistically insignificant.
>
>None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.

I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually
related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement.

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:23:25 -0500, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:04:27 -0600, guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>
>>
>>When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and
>>consider promiscuous women as sewers.
>
>in his case being old did not make him wise.
>
>>
>>The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem
>>today.
>>
>>AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure.
>>
>>End of a lecture that is needed.
>
>no real lecture on any specifics.
>
>>
>>Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society.
>
>and never should be.
>
>>
>>I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by
>>a teasing teen.
>
>Here's the thing about adults and teasing teens. All it takes is for
>the adult to act like an adult and the teasing teen becomes an
>irritant not a temptation to give into.
>
>The "adult" is supposed to know when to say NO.

Mack, all it takes is for all humans to be fair and decent,
then the wars will stop.

We are talking real world and thing get very complex.

By nature I am not inclined to molest children I also
worked on atomic weapons tests. The point is that we
have a spectrum of people and the variations.

The issue of sex drive which is necessary for our
existence. As we see here, there is a variation in
will power.

I have seen several men ruined but I know who is the culprit.
Weakness is not a crime.except by our questionable standards.

The dividing line is the sexual maturity of the
alleged " child".

I know the rules and abide with them in almost every way.

A sexual deviate is very hard to define,

We know damn well sexual desire is easily damaged so we set tight
standards. I do agree with them but so often I see hard headed people
misusing them. This group that is so adamant probably have some
personal problems. This is the group that yells kill them in a
unjustified war.

Mack, I raise issues to try to create exchanges, preferably diabetic.

"Màck©®" <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote in message
news:iec5o31200rnfhtm27ufrlctjsnj9ijjon@4ax.com...
>
> no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for
> some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some
> diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only.
> Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for
> many years now.

As much as the media and SIGs have pushed the concept of AIDS being a great
threat to hetrosexuals it remains largely a homosexual and bisexual disease.

Eric B.

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.#
<lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
> ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
> ><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> >> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
> >> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
> >>
> >> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
> >> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
> >> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
> >
> >Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
> >small as to be statistically insignificant.
> >
> >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.
>
> I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually
> related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement.

It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need
more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would
expand on what I was saying.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel

"You cannot compromise an artist's vision." - Ed Wood

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:18:27 -0600, guys@consolidated.net wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:23:25 -0500, Màck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:04:27 -0600, guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>When I was young an old fellow told me to watch out and
>>>consider promiscuous women as sewers.
>>
>>in his case being old did not make him wise.
>>
>>>
>>>The number of exposures grows geometrically and is a major problem
>>>today.
>>>
>>>AIDS is a problem since there is no possible cure.
>>>
>>>End of a lecture that is needed.
>>
>>no real lecture on any specifics.
>>
>>>
>>>Pedophilia is a mental defect not accepted by society.
>>
>>and never should be.
>>
>>>
>>>I find it repulsive. But, I have seen many men's life ruined by
>>>a teasing teen.
>>
>>Here's the thing about adults and teasing teens. All it takes is for
>>the adult to act like an adult and the teasing teen becomes an
>>irritant not a temptation to give into.
>>
>>The "adult" is supposed to know when to say NO.
>
>Mack, all it takes is for all humans to be fair and decent,
>then the wars will stop.
>
>We are talking real world and thing get very complex.
>
>By nature I am not inclined to molest children I also
>worked on atomic weapons tests. The point is that we
>have a spectrum of people and the variations.
>
>The issue of sex drive which is necessary for our
>existence. As we see here, there is a variation in
>will power.
>
>I have seen several men ruined but I know who is the culprit.
>Weakness is not a crime.except by our questionable standards.
>
>The dividing line is the sexual maturity of the
>alleged " child".
>
>I know the rules and abide with them in almost every way.
>
>A sexual deviate is very hard to define,
>
>We know damn well sexual desire is easily damaged so we set tight
>standards. I do agree with them but so often I see hard headed people
>misusing them. This group that is so adamant probably have some
>personal problems. This is the group that yells kill them in a
>unjustified war.
>
>Mack, I raise issues to try to create exchanges, preferably diabetic.


you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not
responsible for their own actions.

you have in effect stated that what an adult male chooses to do with a
teen female is the females fault.

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On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:23:20 -0500, "Eric B."
<bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:

>
>"Màck©®" <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote in message
>news:iec5o31200rnfhtm27ufrlctjsnj9ijjon@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for
>> some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some
>> diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only.
>> Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for
>> many years now.
>
>As much as the media and SIGs have pushed the concept of AIDS being a great
>threat to hetrosexuals it remains largely a homosexual and bisexual disease.
>
>Eric B.

you are wrong. People like you who lie to yourselves will pay the
price eventually.

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but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:51:25 -0500 in Msg.#
<q876o35hr19bv0m0iuslca4kuonaai6qat@4ax.com>, Màck©®
<IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote:

> you are not raising issues. you are stating above that adults are not
> responsible for their own actions.
>
> you have in effect stated that what an adult male chooses to do with a
> teen female is the females fault.

The Lolita myth.

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actors, and I'm overwhelmed, really overwhelmed." _ Philip Seymour Hoffman,
best actor, CAPOTE, Oscars Mar 2006

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:23:20 -0500, "Eric B."
<bigbird@sesamestreet.com> wrote:

>
>"Màck©®" <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote in message
>news:iec5o31200rnfhtm27ufrlctjsnj9ijjon@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> no sexually transmitted disease is exclusive to any group. but for
>> some reason there are a great many heterosexuals who believe that some
>> diseases, including AIDS are directed at gays and lesbians only.
>> Homophobia taught by the church has been killing heterosexuals for
>> many years now.
>
>As much as the media and SIGs have pushed the concept of AIDS being a great
>threat to hetrosexuals it remains largely a homosexual and bisexual disease.
>
>Eric B.

From what I have read on the African continent it is mainly a
heterosexual disease. So what does that do to your statement?

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:41:33 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
<shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.#
><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
>> ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
>> ><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>> >> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>> >> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>> >>
>> >> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
>> >> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
>> >> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
>> >
>> >Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
>> >small as to be statistically insignificant.
>> >
>> >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.
>>
>> I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually
>> related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement.
>
>It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need
>more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would
>expand on what I was saying.

And doesn't that make your past statements another case of
stereotyping without justification?

DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message
<0ik7o3p0l0qs3ckj30r6d83cqe205efg1m@4ax.com>...
>In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:47 GMT in Msg.#
><r9k7o39i5u43iugufke3dhmakv1u17ppg2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck

>> >It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it
would need
>> >more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I
would
>> >expand on what I was saying.
>>
>> And doesn't that make your past statements another case of
>> stereotyping without justification?
>
>I don't know what you mean, Grandpa Chuck. I'm clueless as to what
you're
>thinking of or referring to. Maybe my brain doesn't like even its
first 2
>steroid pills. <G> You can help me out on it, if you want to explain.
Or
>not. Up to you, of course.


Well, he could help me out with it too, since I have no idea what he's
talking about either, and I'm not taking steroid pills. :-)

Cheri

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:47 GMT in Msg.#
<r9k7o39i5u43iugufke3dhmakv1u17ppg2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:41:33 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.#
> ><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
> ><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> >> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
> >> ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
> >> ><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
> >> >> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
> >> >> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
> >> >>
> >> >> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
> >> >> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
> >> >> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
> >> >
> >> >Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
> >> >small as to be statistically insignificant.
> >> >
> >> >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.
> >>
> >> I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually
> >> related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement.
> >
> >It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need
> >more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would
> >expand on what I was saying.
>
> And doesn't that make your past statements another case of
> stereotyping without justification?

I don't know what you mean, Grandpa Chuck. I'm clueless as to what you're
thinking of or referring to. Maybe my brain doesn't like even its first 2
steroid pills. <G> You can help me out on it, if you want to explain. Or
not. Up to you, of course.

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sorrow, then this light is nearest of all to us." - Meister Eckhart

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:50:11 -0800 in Msg.#
<vtednd2fJuRaTh7anZ2dnUVZ_uOmnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri"
<gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

> DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message
> >I don't know what you mean, Grandpa Chuck. I'm clueless as to what
> you're
> >thinking of or referring to. Maybe my brain doesn't like even its
> first 2
> >steroid pills. <G> You can help me out on it, if you want to explain.
> Or
> >not. Up to you, of course.
>
> Well, he could help me out with it too, since I have no idea what he's
> talking about either, and I'm not taking steroid pills. :-)

LOL!! Hmm, that gives me an idea. Do you think it would work if I got
someone else to take my steroid pills FOR me? Heh heh. Medication by proxy,
.... Nyah, never work.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel

"Beware you are not swallowed up in books. An ounce of love is worth a pound
of knowledge." - John Wesley

>... Nyah, never work.

We can never accept certain sexual concepts.

The society sets this standard. Any individual
or their ideas only is accepted if they fit in.

It is so important to our survival.

Example---- I have lost a leg. Is it proper for me to demand
everyone change to fit me. Hell NO. It is my problem as
are most things.

I personally can live with other with different
problems as long as their behavior does not intrude on me.

I have worked with people that my have different standards.
As long as they did the job properly, did not bother others.
I had no problem. Gaudy or other silly behavior was not
accepted. The general standard applied to all.

Mack, Teasing is not a good thing. I do see where some
things can provoke some to unacceptable behavior. It
is so dominant today to make money. The actions taken
against the weak are not proper considering the circumstances..

There is too much two faced thinking in the sexual area.
There is a two way street here and the use of buzz word will
never change facts., I clearly remember the flack I took for factually
describing a very warped person that was a major factor in my life
via a divorce. I described this person in common language.

I do present views that are for effect. Personally I believed the
sexual issue has no place here We are so ignorant about
diabetes and many warped, non factual information comes here. It will
probably kill a few.

Finally there are zillions of mental states and the Internet
opens it up for all. I preferred the group when a computer cost
thousands and excluded most crackpots.

But is here and it does serve a good purpose in so many cases.

Mack, you are very intelligent and I always read you. I do not
know your background but I sense it is parochial. I see so
much differently since I grew up in a very mixed society
and find so many things are not in concrete but a quick sand.

Mack, last week I saw the world as a spinning thing. Strange.

Last night my wife found me in the floor when I tied to get in
bed and went out. I do not take much serious now. I have
about served my sentence in this mess.

Some nuts relish dinging others with no concern of their
vile statements You and I know the game, Some others
are hurt so be careful.

A person whose thinking is different should be careful
and quit shouting from the roof tops. That behavior will not
serve them well in the long run and will fail. Read history.

Take this in the context it is offered.

OK I will attempt to explain again:

I believe you Donna said, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually
related diseases." Right?

Then I went on to mention a number of sexually transmitted diseases
that lesbians can get from same sex partners.

Next you said, "It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't
think it would need more given the context. In more thoughtful
dialogue, of course, I would expand on what I was saying. "

And I answered, "And doesn't that make your past statements another
case of stereotyping without justification?" I believe you very
definitely did stereotype lesbians with your first statement.

Now, what is it you failed to understand? It seems very straight
forward and easy to understand to me.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:39:47 GMT, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:41:33 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
><shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:50:29 GMT in Msg.#
>><lks5o3169dlpes0vp9rj7k96riv7p2ihkq@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
>><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:44:59 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>>> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:27:23 GMT in Msg.#
>>> ><6o95o3d6j3t3uablnd0d8eob2gqmig9jk2@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
>>> ><GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:27:39 -0500, DonnaB shallotpeel
>>> >> <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of course,
>>> >> >virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.
>>> >>
>>> >> What? Are you not familiar with genital herpes, genital warts,
>>> >> HIV/Aids, contagious yeast infections, to mention only the ones I know
>>> >> that can and are spread from one woman to another?
>>> >
>>> >Woman to woman is the lowest rate of transmission of HIV. The amount is so
>>> >small as to be statistically insignificant.
>>> >
>>> >None of the others are exclusive to lesbians.
>>>
>>> I was not claiming they were. You said "lesbians have no sexually
>>> related diseases." which is quite different from your last statement.
>>
>>It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't think it would need
>>more given the context. In more thoughtful dialogue, of course, I would
>>expand on what I was saying.
>
>And doesn't that make your past statements another case of
>stereotyping without justification?

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:17:14 GMT in Msg.#
<nnh8o31bvai2ii4j04nere546b524t371j@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

> OK I will attempt to explain again:
>
> I believe you Donna said, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually
> related diseases." Right?
>
> Then I went on to mention a number of sexually transmitted diseases
> that lesbians can get from same sex partners.
>
> Next you said, "It was a simplified sound byte type of line. I didn't
> think it would need more given the context. In more thoughtful
> dialogue, of course, I would expand on what I was saying. "
>
> And I answered, "And doesn't that make your past statements another
> case of stereotyping without justification?" I believe you very
> definitely did stereotype lesbians with your first statement.
>
> Now, what is it you failed to understand? It seems very straight
> forward and easy to understand to me.

I'm sorry. All you've done is restate what just happened. I still have no
idea what you're talking about. If it seems easy to understand to you, then
perhaps that's why you just restated it. Let me try.

Do you mean that you think I was stereotyping lesbians in a positive light
by saying, "Works for me, as lesbians have no sexually related diseases. Of
course, virii, etc. really don't care who they attack.", in the context I
was replying to & given the further expansive comments I made afterward in
the thread. [I mean we know & understand what kind of attacks were being
made, regardless of actual information, against gays & lesbians, and we know
that much has been made in one-liner form in the past that lesbians must
surely be the people of God if one believes blah blah since lesbians have
the lowest transmission of HIV of any such definable group.

Was that your question? Was I stereotyping lesbians in a positive manner?

--
DonnaB shallotpeel

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On Jan 8, 8:17�pm, Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaCh...@B4me.org> wrote:
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