Consequences of uncontrolled diabetes

There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.

This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.

He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
in denial and apathy.

I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.

Very sad!
If one can find a bright spot from it ..is that it keeps you on the path and
maybe will remind us all why we are proactive in our own care..

KROM

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7EQdj.17832$745.13829@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
> has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year,
> a smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of
> 53.
>
> This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
> suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
> and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
> He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
> months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to
> stay in denial and apathy.
>
> I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.
>
>
>

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
>has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
>smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
>This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
>He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
>months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
>in denial and apathy.
>
>I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.


I'm sorry to hear the bad news about your friend.

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.

Very, very sorry to hear this.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
>has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
>smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
>This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
>He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
>months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
>in denial and apathy.
>
>I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.

That is so sad, Helen.

--
BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005
May 2007 A1c 5.5
Oct 2007 Yellow Belt! Yeah!

In article <7EQdj.17832$745.13829@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
> has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
> smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
> This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
> suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
> and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
> He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
> months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
> in denial and apathy.
>
> I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.

Last month, I went to Walgreens to pick up a one month supply of 30
pills of Simvistatan, which is a generic version of Zocor. The price for
Simvistatan is around $105 for 30 pills at Walgreens. I pay $16, thanks
to my prescription plan. I also renewed my Metformin, which runs me
roughly $2 for a one month supply of 60 pills.

As I usually do, I picked up the drugs several days before my previous
supply ran out. I put the Walgreens bag on the counter in my bathroom
where I could find it when I need it.

That Sunday morning, when I opened the bag, I realized it contained a
huge supply of each medication, not the normal one month supply. There
was at least three months worth of both medications.

My prescription plan allows for a one month supply at a time, so this
surprised me. I checked the receipt and it said it was for one month's
worth of both drugs, as did the label on each pill bottle, but both
bottle actually held at least 150 pills in them.

So, I got a lot of medicine for free. I mentioned this my doctor a few
days later. He said that if I had returned the medicine to Walgreens,
they would have thrown it out, so there was no point in my doing that.

On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:20:26 -0500, Stan Horwitz posted:

>In article <7EQdj.17832$745.13829@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
>> has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
>> smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>>
>> This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>> suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>> and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>>
>> He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
>> months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
>> in denial and apathy.
>>
>> I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.
>
>Last month, I went to Walgreens to pick up a one month supply of 30
>pills of Simvistatan, which is a generic version of Zocor. The price for
>Simvistatan is around $105 for 30 pills at Walgreens.

Holy crap, Batman! I just checked my receipt from Walmart, and see
that I paid $45.49 for 34 Simvastatin (20 mg).

> I pay $16, thanks to my prescription plan.

My insurance pays half, so the cost to me is about $28.



--
Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada.
DX 24 Aug 07. D&E
Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin
Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1

"Stan Horwitz" <stan@temple.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Last month, I went to Walgreens to pick up a one month supply of 30
> pills of Simvistatan, which is a generic version of Zocor. The price for
> Simvistatan is around $105 for 30 pills at Walgreens. I pay $16, thanks
> to my prescription plan. I also renewed my Metformin, which runs me
> roughly $2 for a one month supply of 60 pills.
>
> As I usually do, I picked up the drugs several days before my previous
> supply ran out. I put the Walgreens bag on the counter in my bathroom
> where I could find it when I need it.
>
> That Sunday morning, when I opened the bag, I realized it contained a
> huge supply of each medication, not the normal one month supply. There
> was at least three months worth of both medications.
>
> My prescription plan allows for a one month supply at a time, so this
> surprised me. I checked the receipt and it said it was for one month's
> worth of both drugs, as did the label on each pill bottle, but both
> bottle actually held at least 150 pills in them.
>
> So, I got a lot of medicine for free. I mentioned this my doctor a few
> days later. He said that if I had returned the medicine to Walgreens,
> they would have thrown it out, so there was no point in my doing that.

I was having the opposite problem. My insurance allows for 90 days at one
time. They were charging me for 90 days worth and giving me only 30 days
worth. Sometimes I wouldn't notice until I ran out too soon. Twice I had
to fight with them to get the rest of the pills. They have gotten rid of
some people in the pharmacy and I haven't noticed the problem since then.

YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!

Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
honoured and respected my grief over my friend.


"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c70ej.1834$Xe5.926@trndny09...
>
> "Stan Horwitz" <stan@temple.edu> wrote in message
> news:stan-E9146B.20202630122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>
>>
>> Last month, I went to Walgreens to pick up a one month supply of 30
>> pills of Simvistatan, which is a generic version of Zocor. The price for
>> Simvistatan is around $105 for 30 pills at Walgreens. I pay $16, thanks
>> to my prescription plan. I also renewed my Metformin, which runs me
>> roughly $2 for a one month supply of 60 pills.
>>
>> As I usually do, I picked up the drugs several days before my previous
>> supply ran out. I put the Walgreens bag on the counter in my bathroom
>> where I could find it when I need it.
>>
>> That Sunday morning, when I opened the bag, I realized it contained a
>> huge supply of each medication, not the normal one month supply. There
>> was at least three months worth of both medications.
>>
>> My prescription plan allows for a one month supply at a time, so this
>> surprised me. I checked the receipt and it said it was for one month's
>> worth of both drugs, as did the label on each pill bottle, but both
>> bottle actually held at least 150 pills in them.
>>
>> So, I got a lot of medicine for free. I mentioned this my doctor a few
>> days later. He said that if I had returned the medicine to Walgreens,
>> they would have thrown it out, so there was no point in my doing that.
>
> I was having the opposite problem. My insurance allows for 90 days at one
> time. They were charging me for 90 days worth and giving me only 30 days
> worth. Sometimes I wouldn't notice until I ran out too soon. Twice I had
> to fight with them to get the rest of the pills. They have gotten rid of
> some people in the pharmacy and I haven't noticed the problem since then.
>

"Stan Horwitz" <stan@temple.edu> wrote in message
news:stan-E9146B.20202630122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <7EQdj.17832$745.13829@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,

> Last month, I went to Walgreens to pick up a one month supply of 30
> pills of Simvistatan, which is a generic version of Zocor. The price for
> Simvistatan is around $105 for 30 pills at Walgreens. I pay $16, thanks
> to my prescription plan.

As you so blatantly disregarded the subject of my original post, I thought I
would say to you - I get my Simvastatin (thats how you spell it btw!) for
FREE!

It's not all bad in the UK.

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:w91ej.22572$1j1.4089@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>
> Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
> honoured and respected my grief over my friend.

I am really sorry to hear this Helen. My condolences to you as a friend and
his family.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:48:44 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>
>Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
>honoured and respected my grief over my friend.


helen, I'm sorry. My father didn;t eat right either, and died from
diabetic complications as a result. You can imagine how I felt when
I opened his fridge, after he was already in the hospital . It's very
hard.

In article <w91ej.22572$1j1.4089@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>,
"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>
> Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
> honoured and respected my grief over my friend.
>

I'm sorry for your loss.

Thread drift is a fact of life on Usenet. Admittedly this drift was a
bit abrupt, but drift is just something we need to live with. I'm sorry
this came at a time when you were feeling somewhat sensitive due to the
death of your friend.

Priscilla

Helen Back <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
: YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!

: Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
: honoured and respected my grief over my friend.

Sorry that you and his family have to suffer this loss. I am sure he will
be missed. It is a very hard way to maake a point to the rest of us, to
watch our ways.

Wendy

On Dec 30, 12:33*pm, "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
> has diabetes but isnt proactive. *He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
> smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
> This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
> suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
> and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
> He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
> months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
> in denial and apathy.

When I was diagnosed at age 14, I was told that if I followed all the
rules and took all my shots that I might live another 25 years. I
remember sitting in the clinic, adding 25 to 14, and figuring that I
have to do everything before I'm 39. Well, I made it past 39, and I'm
still here :-). (Although there have been some close calls over the
years with respect to acute complications).

I'm not sure that fundamentally the thought that "don't follow the
rules and bad things happen" and "follow all the rules and bad things
won't happen" hold true. Lots of folks have tried real real hard over
the years to be a good little diabetic, and still have complications.
And others haven't tried so hard and are doing just fine.

Just thinking in terms of good/bad is probably not productive. I don't
know of any studies that show that good control can completely
eliminate all of the long-term complications.

I will agree that overall better control is now shown to reduce and/or
delay complications. 25 years ago when I was diagnosed, this was
believed by many, but there in fact was no evidence to show that it
was actually true. So far in such a short time!

Tim.

I'm so sorry to hear this, Helen. Definitely not the way to start a
new year.

My condolences to you and your friend's family.

--
BlueBrooke
T2/D&E/June 2005
May 2007 A1c 5.5
Oct 2007 Yellow Belt! Yeah!

Ozgirl wrote:
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:w91ej.22572$1j1.4089@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>>
>> Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
>> honoured and respected my grief over my friend.

sorry to hear this Helen

take care
kate

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:48:44 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!

Rough At least his family didn't have to watch him for an extended
period of time.

{{{Hugs}}}

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
>has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year, a
>smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
>This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
>He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
>months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to stay
>in denial and apathy.
>
>I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.

G'day G'day Helen,

I see from later in the thread that your friend has died. Losing a
friend is cause for great sorrow even if their inaction contributed to
their demise. Please accept my condolences and if appropriate pass
them on to his family.

It is horrible to watch another adult exercising their right to ignore
health issues and suffering the consequences. Horrible to know there
is so little one can do about it when they do.

Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
with their own situation.

Hopefully you'll find comfort in this possibility.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:41:43 +1300, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:


>
> I see from later in the thread that your friend has died. Losing a
>friend is cause for great sorrow even if their inaction contributed to
>their demise. Please accept my condolences and if appropriate pass
>them on to his family.
>
>It is horrible to watch another adult exercising their right to ignore
>health issues and suffering the consequences. Horrible to know there
>is so little one can do about it when they do.
>
>Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
>attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
>will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
>with their own situation.
>
>Hopefully you'll find comfort in this possibility.
>
>Best wishes,


Quentin,

very eloquently put.

Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
> attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
> will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
> with their own situation. []

I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Helen. Strokes can
indeed be devastating, to the victim, family and friends. My Health Care
Directive is very clear on pulling the plug, rather than prolonging
everyone's agony and running up staggering bills. Everyone should have one.
IMHO.

Before I subscribed to a.s.d, I had been haphazardly checking my FBG two or
three times a week. Since coming here, I test much more often and have
gained far better control. SWMABO has learned how to cook better for me,
too.

For that, I thank you all!

Best Wishes for a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year!

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-74D9EB.11560331122007@individual.net...
> In article <w91ej.22572$1j1.4089@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>,
> "Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>>
>> Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
>> honoured and respected my grief over my friend.
>>
>
> I'm sorry for your loss.
>
> Thread drift is a fact of life on Usenet. Admittedly this drift was a
> bit abrupt, but drift is just something we need to live with. I'm sorry
> this came at a time when you were feeling somewhat sensitive due to the
> death of your friend.
>
> Priscilla

Yes, Priscilla - I was rather oversensitive and am aware of the
insensitivity of some people in newsgroups - after all, there are zillions
of us out there!

Thanks for support - its appreciated.

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:bojin3tkp6hdr4nrop55e72r9ch7udghop@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:48:44 GMT, "Helen Back"
> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>
> Rough At least his family didn't have to watch him for an extended
> period of time.
>
> {{{Hugs}}}
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

They saw enough of his deterioration at home and although it still came as a
shock how quickly he passed, they do see it as a blessing that he is now at
peace.

Thanks for hugs, sweetie xx

<dumb_fishie99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bc4in3la228l9hrudk80peuacppi9bhbej@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:48:44 GMT, "Helen Back"
> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>YES, AND MY FRIEND DIED AT 9PM LAST NIGHT!
>>
>>Thank you very much to those good people who stuck to the subject and
>>honoured and respected my grief over my friend.
>
>
> helen, I'm sorry. My father didn;t eat right either, and died from
> diabetic complications as a result. You can imagine how I felt when
> I opened his fridge, after he was already in the hospital . It's very
> hard.
>

I know this may sound a terrible thing to say, but my friend was literally
ignorant. The family live on deep fried foods - things like sausages,
fries, bacon - all deep fried. Theres rarely a lettuce leaf in sight. Meat
is cheap and not lean at all etc etc... As he became more and more infirm,
I tried telling his brothers what they should be doing to encourage him to
eat better, etc but their eyes would glaze over - and it wasnt through
disinterest, they just dont seem to compute - its weird and its also very
sad.

Perhaps proactives simply have an inquisitive mind or a higher sense of
survival instinct - I dont know!

Please dont take my words the wrong way - I just know it was beyond my
friend's capability and that of his whole family to grasp the simple concept
of eating healthily, etc.

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> This post not CC'd by email
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
>>has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year,
>>a
>>smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>>
>>This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
>>suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
>>and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>>
>>He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
>>months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to
>>stay
>>in denial and apathy.
>>
>>I pray he doesnt suffer for much longer.
>
> G'day G'day Helen,
>
> I see from later in the thread that your friend has died. Losing a
> friend is cause for great sorrow even if their inaction contributed to
> their demise. Please accept my condolences and if appropriate pass
> them on to his family.
>
> It is horrible to watch another adult exercising their right to ignore
> health issues and suffering the consequences. Horrible to know there
> is so little one can do about it when they do.
>
> Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
> attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
> will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
> with their own situation.
>
> Hopefully you'll find comfort in this possibility.
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
> New Zealand, >#,#< [
> / \ /\
> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Beautiful - thank you Q )))))

"Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:20080101023009.222$EA@newsreader.com...
> Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
>> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> [ . . . ]
>> Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
>> attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
>> will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
>> with their own situation. []
>
> I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Helen. Strokes can
> indeed be devastating, to the victim, family and friends. My Health Care
> Directive is very clear on pulling the plug, rather than prolonging
> everyone's agony and running up staggering bills. Everyone should have
> one.
> IMHO.
>
> Before I subscribed to a.s.d, I had been haphazardly checking my FBG two
> or
> three times a week. Since coming here, I test much more often and have
> gained far better control. SWMABO has learned how to cook better for me,
> too.
>
> For that, I thank you all!
>
> Best Wishes for a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year!
>


I have this group to thank, considering I get no support from the so called
professionals at all here!

Obviously, as individuals, we do the hard work in keeping things under
control but kind words of advice and support go a long way, eh? )

Thank you and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you too!

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:20080101023009.222$EA@newsreader.com...
>> Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:55 GMT, "Helen Back"
>>> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [ . . . ]
>>> Thank you for creating the thread in an attempt to bring it to our
>>> attention. While you could not reach him, it is possible your post
>>> will reach many more people who might otherwise have neglected to deal
>>> with their own situation. []
>>
>> I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Helen. Strokes can
>> indeed be devastating, to the victim, family and friends. My Health Care
>> Directive is very clear on pulling the plug, rather than prolonging
>> everyone's agony and running up staggering bills. Everyone should have
>> one.
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Before I subscribed to a.s.d, I had been haphazardly checking my FBG two
>> or
>> three times a week. Since coming here, I test much more often and have
>> gained far better control. SWMABO has learned how to cook better for me,
>> too.
>>
>> For that, I thank you all!
>>
>> Best Wishes for a Happy, Healthy & Prosperous New Year!
>>
>
>
> I have this group to thank, considering I get no support from the so
> called professionals at all here!

The *here* being where I live, sorry!! LOL

"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 30, 12:33 pm, "Helen Back" <SiriusC...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> There are those of you who may remember me mentioning I have a friend who
> has diabetes but isnt proactive. He had a massive stroke in the New Year,
> a
> smaller stroke 6 months ago and ended up almost crippled at the age of 53.
>
> This am he was found by his family lying flat out on the floor. He had
> suffered the mother of all strokes and now lies in hospital in a deep coma
> and, even if he was to gain consciousness, is irreparably brain damaged.
>
> He was told by many people, including myself once I was diagnosed a few
> months ago, on how to improve his health and longevity, but he chose to
> stay
> in denial and apathy.

When I was diagnosed at age 14, I was told that if I followed all the
rules and took all my shots that I might live another 25 years. I
remember sitting in the clinic, adding 25 to 14, and figuring that I
have to do everything before I'm 39. Well, I made it past 39, and I'm
still here :-). (Although there have been some close calls over the
years with respect to acute complications).

I'm not sure that fundamentally the thought that "don't follow the
rules and bad things happen" and "follow all the rules and bad things
won't happen" hold true. Lots of folks have tried real real hard over
the years to be a good little diabetic, and still have complications.
And others haven't tried so hard and are doing just fine.

Just thinking in terms of good/bad is probably not productive. I don't
know of any studies that show that good control can completely
eliminate all of the long-term complications.

I will agree that overall better control is now shown to reduce and/or
delay complications. 25 years ago when I was diagnosed, this was
believed by many, but there in fact was no evidence to show that it
was actually true. So far in such a short time!

Tim.

I am positive that our new regimes are of much benefit to us in the long
term.

I know of at least 5 people (3 of them have now died in the last year - all
under the age of 65) in my personal life who have or are suffering from
doing nothing about their diabetic condition.

The basic complications were deteriorated eyesight, chronic neuropathy to
the legs and atrophy of veins and arteries in all 3 that have passed away.

I think we can safely say that if we are making radical changes, altho we
may develop any complications due to our condition, that we can hope to not
have them in such a chronic way to cause misery and suffering for long
periods of time, before a really nasty death.

Sorry for the downer guys - Ive seen too much lately!!!

"Helen Back" <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7EQdj.17832$745.13829@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

Thank you again to everyone who posted. Sorry if I didnt individually thank
you all - but please know that I am aware you sent kind words of support.

HAPPY PROACTIVE NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL

Helen Back wrote in message ...

>> I have this group to thank, considering I get no support from the
so
>> called professionals at all here!
>
>The *here* being where I live, sorry!! LOL

Damnit, I wanted names. ;-) Seriously, I knew what you meant.

Cheri

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:49:35 GMT, "Helen Back"
<SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>

>I know this may sound a terrible thing to say, but my friend was literally
>ignorant. The family live on deep fried foods - things like sausages,
>fries, bacon - all deep fried. Theres rarely a lettuce leaf in sight. Meat
>is cheap and not lean at all etc etc... As he became more and more infirm,
>I tried telling his brothers what they should be doing to encourage him to
>eat better, etc but their eyes would glaze over - and it wasnt through
>disinterest, they just dont seem to compute - its weird and its also very
>sad.
>
>Perhaps proactives simply have an inquisitive mind or a higher sense of
>survival instinct - I dont know!
>
>Please dont take my words the wrong way - I just know it was beyond my
>friend's capability and that of his whole family to grasp the simple concept
>of eating healthily, etc.
>


I think it's hard for some people to have to learn a new way of
eating. I understand my diabetic uncle (father's brother) did the
same thing, and was found driving his car around in circles in a daze
just before he died. I dont recall how long he was in hospital or not.
I was not involved in the whole thing. I hope I can do better!

he was from the midwest, where people eat that way more so.

It's still very hard with people you love.

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:Fcedndx_3PrDXOfanZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
>
> Helen Back wrote in message ...
>
>>> I have this group to thank, considering I get no support from the
> so
>>> called professionals at all here!
>>
>>The *here* being where I live, sorry!! LOL
>
> Damnit, I wanted names. ;-) Seriously, I knew what you meant.
>
> Cheri

)))

<dumb_fishie99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:52lln3dvt9clfpfel03bpp2hu5rovqatst@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:49:35 GMT, "Helen Back"
> <SiriusC-63@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>I know this may sound a terrible thing to say, but my friend was literally
>>ignorant. The family live on deep fried foods - things like sausages,
>>fries, bacon - all deep fried. Theres rarely a lettuce leaf in sight.
>>Meat
>>is cheap and not lean at all etc etc... As he became more and more
>>infirm,
>>I tried telling his brothers what they should be doing to encourage him to
>>eat better, etc but their eyes would glaze over - and it wasnt through
>>disinterest, they just dont seem to compute - its weird and its also very
>>sad.
>>
>>Perhaps proactives simply have an inquisitive mind or a higher sense of
>>survival instinct - I dont know!
>>
>>Please dont take my words the wrong way - I just know it was beyond my
>>friend's capability and that of his whole family to grasp the simple
>>concept
>>of eating healthily, etc.
>>
>
>
> I think it's hard for some people to have to learn a new way of
> eating. I understand my diabetic uncle (father's brother) did the
> same thing, and was found driving his car around in circles in a daze
> just before he died. I dont recall how long he was in hospital or not.
> I was not involved in the whole thing. I hope I can do better!
>
> he was from the midwest, where people eat that way more so.
>
> It's still very hard with people you love.
>
>
Definitely!

What's that saying?...... "You can lead a horse to water........"