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  1. #1
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Cramps all over the body.

    I did not get a refreshing sleep last night due to cramps. They started in
    my legs but not in the usual spot. It was as though every single muscle,
    even the tiny ones were cramping up. Then my arms began to cramp and then I
    had cramps in my sides. Actually the leg cramps started up earlier when I
    was sitting in my computer chair. The only way to make the leg cramps go
    away was to stand up and force my full weight down onto my feet. The cramps
    seemed to be the worst when I was relaxing.

    There are some possibilities I am thinking of here. One is that I
    supplemented with magnesium for about 4 days. That could have thrown my
    potassium off. I have since bought some potassium. Have yet to take it but
    *knock wood* no cramps yet today.

    The other is that I did a mischief to my back the other day. I went to the
    kitchen to get my chia seeds to gel and long story short, found weevils in
    my cupboard. I immediately began bagging up all of the food to throw out,
    save for things in really thick plastic, jars and shakers that were not
    opened.

    It was very late at night at that point. My blood sugar had been lowish.
    Not a hypo but close enough to 90 that I knew I needed to eat. And of
    course as luck would have it, all of the activity raised my BG. Not too
    high but it did raise it.

    I had three bags of food to throw away and it was snowing. First I slipped
    on the snow when trying to get the extra trash can and felt a pain in my
    back. Then in trying to lift a heavy bag into the can, I only succeeded to
    knock the can over three times and that hurt my back worse.

    So maybe in hurting my back, it caused cramps all over? It's a stretch but
    I suppose that could happen.

    Or maybe...? It could somehow be detox from the intolerances that I stopped
    eating?

    Or maybe...? Maybe my lowered BG could be causing the cramps? I just don't
    know what to think.

    Anyone have any other ideas?



  2. #2
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

    > Anyone have any other ideas?
    >
    >

    I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    the cramps disappear.

    Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.

    BessieBee
    --
    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

  3. #3
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

    : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    : >
    : >
    : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    : the cramps disappear.

    : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.

    : BessieBee
    : --
    : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

    I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.

    Wendy

  4. #4
    Colt T Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    Drink some gin and diet & up before you go to bed.


  5. #5
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 1:48 PM, Colt T wrote:
    > Drink some gin and diet& up before you go to bed.
    >


    Sorry. Just the thought of gin makes my stomach churn. Besides, I
    think "some" is a bit vague.

    Thanks for the thought, but I'll stick with what is proving to work.

    BessieBee
    --
    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

  6. #6
    Cheri Guest

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    "Colt T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Drink some gin and diet & up before you go to bed.



    Booze is dehydrating, so probably not the best cure for charley horse like
    cramps.

    Cheri


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    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jjt9qv$dkl$[email protected]..
    > On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    >> Anyone have any other ideas?
    >>
    >>

    > I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    > back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease) the
    > cramps disappear.
    >
    > Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill that
    > has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was also
    > endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin and
    > twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first dost
    > knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects, but I no
    > longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.


    I wouldn't wish gabapentin on my worst enemy! It's a seizure med. I have
    posted my nightmare story with it many times before and how hard it was to
    get off of the drug. In short it made me non-functional and suicidal.



  8. #8
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    > : >
    > : >
    > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    > : the cramps disappear.
    >
    > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.
    >
    > : BessieBee
    > : --
    > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >
    > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.


    Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.



  9. #9
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jjte02$5lq$[email protected]..
    > On 3/15/2012 1:48 PM, Colt T wrote:
    >> Drink some gin and diet& up before you go to bed.
    >>

    >
    > Sorry. Just the thought of gin makes my stomach churn. Besides, I think
    > "some" is a bit vague.
    >
    > Thanks for the thought, but I'll stick with what is proving to work.


    The gin isn't what does it. It's the tonic. I do like gin and tonic but I
    can't have alcohol. And tonic by itself is right nasty.



  10. #10
    Colt T Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    I hate gin and tonic, gin has botanicals in it and none of them are pine
    cones. I put 4 oz of gin and 6 oz of diet 7 Up tho diet gingerale would
    work too.


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    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

    : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    : >
    : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    : > : >
    : > : >
    : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    : > : the cramps disappear.
    : >
    : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.
    : >
    : > : BessieBee
    : > : --
    : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    : >
    : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.

    : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.

    Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found it
    helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    docor's instructions.

    Wendy

  12. #12
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 4:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > "W. Baker"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >> BessieBee<[email protected]> wrote:
    >> : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> :> Anyone have any other ideas?
    >> :>
    >> :>
    >> : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    >> : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    >> : the cramps disappear.
    >>
    >> : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    >> : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    >> : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    >> : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    >> : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    >> : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.
    >>
    >> : BessieBee
    >> : --
    >> : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >>
    >> I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    >> the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    >> my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >> night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    >> When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.

    >
    > Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    >
    >

    Why are you sad to see an effective medicine so widely prescribed? Yes,
    it's a pill, but it works and if you've ever spent the day with every
    muscle hurting like hell, then be awakened at night by cramps so painful
    all you can do is scream, then you might be very happy to get relief. I
    know I am.

    BessieBee
    --
    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

  13. #13
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 4:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

    > I wouldn't wish gabapentin on my worst enemy! It's a seizure med. I have
    > posted my nightmare story with it many times before and how hard it was to
    > get off of the drug. In short it made me non-functional and suicidal.


    Well, now i know why you're sad it's so wide prescribed.

    I've had no issue so far with gabapentin, other than pain relief and
    absence of nightly leg cramps. My neighbor also takes it for pain and
    has no bad effects as far as I know.

    Medicine is not an exact science and what works for me may not work for
    you, as is clearly demonstrated here.

    BessieBee
    --
    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

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    hemyd Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    > : >
    > : >
    > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    > : the cramps disappear.
    >
    > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.
    >
    > : BessieBee
    > : --
    > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >
    > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >
    > Wendy


    I get cramps on and off, usually in either foot, but often up my lower legs.
    For me they are more likely to happen in cooler weather; I can inadvertantly
    trip some off when I stretch a muscle. As in Julie's case, I usually manage
    to stop the cramps by getting up and putting weight on my feet. The cramps
    also do seem to happen when I am relaxed.

    I also found that drinking water can help. Unfortunately then I need to get
    up and go to the toilet more often. Sometimes you can't win.

    Henry.



  15. #15
    Colt T Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.


  16. #16
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jju01u$2d0$[email protected]..
    > Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    > : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > : >
    > : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    > : > : >
    > : > : >
    > : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    > comes
    > : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    > disease)
    > : > : the cramps disappear.
    > : >
    > : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    > pill
    > : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    > : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    > gabapentin
    > : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    > first
    > : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    > effects,
    > : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    > me.
    > : >
    > : > : BessieBee
    > : > : --
    > : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    > : >
    > : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and
    > 100 in
    > : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    > but
    > : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    > : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    > etc.
    > : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >
    > : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    >
    > Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found it
    > helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    > docor's instructions.


    Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window when
    Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that were
    telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't stand
    up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and they
    thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth were
    not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.

    After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it. So
    there were several more weeks of hell.

    That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should have
    been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in bed
    and babble.

    My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    actually needed it She has seizures.

    There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a loved
    one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are you
    going to call from your grave?



  17. #17
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jju08g$dn6$[email protected]..
    > On 3/15/2012 4:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >> "W. Baker"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >>> BessieBee<[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>>
    >>> :> Anyone have any other ideas?
    >>> :>
    >>> :>
    >>> : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    >>> comes
    >>> : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    >>> : the cramps disappear.
    >>>
    >>> : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    >>> : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    >>> : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    >>> gabapentin
    >>> : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    >>> : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    >>> : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    >>> me.
    >>>
    >>> : BessieBee
    >>> : --
    >>> : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >>>
    >>> I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100
    >>> in
    >>> the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    >>> but
    >>> my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >>> night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    >>> etc.
    >>> When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.

    >>
    >> Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    >>
    >>

    > Why are you sad to see an effective medicine so widely prescribed? Yes,
    > it's a pill, but it works and if you've ever spent the day with every
    > muscle hurting like hell, then be awakened at night by cramps so painful
    > all you can do is scream, then you might be very happy to get relief. I
    > know I am.



    Do you not watch TV? Do you not see the commercials about it where there is
    a lawsuit for people who committed suicide while on it? Wait! Let me
    swagbuck it for you... If you don't know what swagbuck is, it's a search
    engine and so much more. I get rewards for using it. But I digress.

    http://www.add-adhd-help-center.com/.../neurontin.htm

    http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/neurontin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurontin

    "Suicide
    Gabapentin has been associated with an increased risk of suicidal acts or
    violent deaths.[31] In 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a
    warning of an increased risk of depression and suicidal thoughts and
    behaviors in patients taking gabapentin, along with other anticonvulsant
    drugs[32] modifying the packaging insert to reflect this.[25] In July 2009,
    the manufacturer of gabapentin (Pfizer) went to trial regarding the
    association between gabapentin and the increased risk of suicide.[33]"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha..._b_875603.html



    http://www.opednews.com/articles/gen...sk_of_neur.htm

    "Many of the cases are wrongful death actions based on the company's failure
    to warn about the risk of suicidality associated with the drug. In 2004,
    attorneys Derek braslow and Harris Pogust of the Pennsylvania law firm,
    Pogust & Braslow, began filing lawsuits on behalf of victims who became
    suicidal."







  18. #18
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "Colt T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:27197-4F6269B2-16@bsg-storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net[email protected]..
    >I hate gin and tonic, gin has botanicals in it and none of them are pine
    > cones. I put 4 oz of gin and 6 oz of diet 7 Up tho diet gingerale would
    > work too.


    It's not the gin that stops the cramps. It's the tonic. Tonic used to
    contain quinine. It was the quinine that did it. I used to take quinine
    pills. They are no longer sold in this country and I'm not even sure that
    the tonic still contains quinine. But I really don't know. Haven't bought
    any for many years.



  19. #19
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] .au...
    > "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >> BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    >> : >
    >> : >
    >> : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    >> comes
    >> : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    >> : the cramps disappear.
    >>
    >> : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    >> : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    >> : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    >> : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    >> : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    >> : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    >> me.
    >>
    >> : BessieBee
    >> : --
    >> : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >>
    >> I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100
    >> in
    >> the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    >> but
    >> my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >> night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    >> etc.
    >> When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >>
    >> Wendy

    >
    > I get cramps on and off, usually in either foot, but often up my lower
    > legs. For me they are more likely to happen in cooler weather; I can
    > inadvertantly trip some off when I stretch a muscle. As in Julie's case, I
    > usually manage to stop the cramps by getting up and putting weight on my
    > feet. The cramps also do seem to happen when I am relaxed.
    >
    > I also found that drinking water can help. Unfortunately then I need to
    > get up and go to the toilet more often. Sometimes you can't win.
    >

    Today they were in my stomach. Very annoying because I was trying to get
    dressed! The only way to stop them was to bend myself backwards. Took me
    about 5 minutes just to put my bra and top on. The stockings were the worst
    because I had to keep bending over to put them on.

    My test showed that I was deficient in a few vitamins and minerals. I
    ordered them and the box came today. If any of those things is causing
    this, I have it in the bag now. But if not...



  20. #20
    Julie Bove Guest

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    "Colt T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.


    Cite?



  21. #21
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 8:23 PM, Colt T wrote:
    > The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.
    >


    Back then it probably was. There was very little access to fresh water
    and what was fresh water was most probably contaminated with all sorts
    of nasties. Beer or ale was the beverage of choice back then because of
    the nasty water.

    (Yes, Julie, there were clear streams, but they weren't close to the
    centers of population.)

    BessieBee
    --
    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

  22. #22
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jju8ll$ohm$[email protected]..
    > On 3/15/2012 8:23 PM, Colt T wrote:
    >> The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.
    >>

    >
    > Back then it probably was. There was very little access to fresh water
    > and what was fresh water was most probably contaminated with all sorts of
    > nasties. Beer or ale was the beverage of choice back then because of the
    > nasty water.
    >
    > (Yes, Julie, there were clear streams, but they weren't close to the
    > centers of population.)


    How did they make the beer or ale if they didn't have water? I have made
    beer so I know what it's made of.



  23. #23
    outsider Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 7:23 PM, Colt T wrote:
    > The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.


    Sometimes it is.

  24. #24
    outsider Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/15/2012 8:11 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > "Colt T"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> I hate gin and tonic, gin has botanicals in it and none of them are pine
    >> cones. I put 4 oz of gin and 6 oz of diet 7 Up tho diet gingerale would
    >> work too.

    >
    > It's not the gin that stops the cramps. It's the tonic. Tonic used to
    > contain quinine. It was the quinine that did it. I used to take quinine
    > pills. They are no longer sold in this country and I'm not even sure that
    > the tonic still contains quinine. But I really don't know. Haven't bought
    > any for many years.


    "Quinine should not be used to treat or prevent nighttime leg cramps.
    Quinine has not
    been shown to be effective for this purpose, and may cause serious or
    life-threatening side
    effects, including severe bleeding problems, kidney damage, irregular
    heartbeat, and severe
    allergic reactions.

    "Your doctor or pharmacist will give you the manufacturer's patient
    information sheet
    (Medication Guide) when you begin treatment with quinine and each time
    you refill your
    prescription. Read the information carefully and ask your doctor or
    pharmacist if you have
    any questions. You can also visit the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
    website
    (http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/ucm085729.htm) to obtain the
    Medication Guide."

    <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000648/#>

  25. #25
    MaryL Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.



    "Julie Bove" wrote in message news:jju70t$hnb$[email protected]..


    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jju01u$2d0$[email protected]..
    > Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    > : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > : >
    > : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    > : > : >
    > : > : >
    > : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    > comes
    > : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    > disease)
    > : > : the cramps disappear.
    > : >
    > : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    > pill
    > : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    > : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    > gabapentin
    > : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    > first
    > : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    > effects,
    > : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    > me.
    > : >
    > : > : BessieBee
    > : > : --
    > : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    > : >
    > : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and
    > 100 in
    > : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    > but
    > : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    > : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    > etc.
    > : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >
    > : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    >
    > Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found it
    > helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    > docor's instructions.


    Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window when
    Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that were
    telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't stand
    up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and they
    thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth were
    not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.

    After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it. So
    there were several more weeks of hell.

    That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should have
    been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in bed
    and babble.

    My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    actually needed it She has seizures.

    There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a loved
    one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are you
    going to call from your grave?

    <<<<<>>>>>

    Neurontin was prescribed for my mother's intense headaches. She had
    terrible side effects from it. She would suffer uncontrollable shaking
    about 30 minutes after taking a dose, and she had bizarre
    hallucinations--for example, she would begin to scream in panic because she
    saw water pouring down the walls, and she thought she was going to drown.
    Her neurologist refused to discontinue the medication and insisted that she
    needed a *stronger* dose. I went to our family physician, and he said the
    neurologist has a fine reputation. However, he saw Mother's reactions for
    himself when she was hospitalized, and he finally took action to eliminate
    that medication. And I stopped taking Mother to that neurologist! That
    medication may be helpful to some (possibly many) people, but it is also a
    frightening medication that can do enormous harm.

    MaryL


  26. #26
    Harold Groot Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:40:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:jju8ll$ohm$[email protected]..
    >> On 3/15/2012 8:23 PM, Colt T wrote:
    >>> The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Back then it probably was. There was very little access to fresh water
    >> and what was fresh water was most probably contaminated with all sorts of
    >> nasties. Beer or ale was the beverage of choice back then because of the
    >> nasty water.
    >>
    >> (Yes, Julie, there were clear streams, but they weren't close to the
    >> centers of population.)



    >How did they make the beer or ale if they didn't have water? I have made
    >beer so I know what it's made of.



    They had water - it's just that in general they didn't have SAFE
    water. Raw sewage was dumped into most surface sources of water.
    Diseases can spread very quickly that way. But if the water was used
    to make beer or wine, the alcohol in the beverage would kill off most
    disease germs - so the beer and wine were much safer to drink than the
    water it was made from.




  27. #27
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "MaryL" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4f62c89b$0$17980$[email protected] ...
    >
    >
    > "Julie Bove" wrote in message news:jju70t$hnb$[email protected]..
    >
    >
    > "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jju01u$2d0$[email protected]..
    >> Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >> : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >> : >
    >> : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    >> : > : >
    >> : > : >
    >> : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    >> comes
    >> : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    >> disease)
    >> : > : the cramps disappear.
    >> : >
    >> : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    >> pill
    >> : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med
    >> was
    >> : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    >> gabapentin
    >> : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    >> first
    >> : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    >> effects,
    >> : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win
    >> for me.
    >> : >
    >> : > : BessieBee
    >> : > : --
    >> : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >> : >
    >> : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and
    >> 100 in
    >> : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it
    >> is, but
    >> : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >> : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    >> etc.
    >> : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >>
    >> : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    >>
    >> Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found it
    >> helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    >> docor's instructions.

    >
    > Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    > remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window when
    > Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that
    > were
    > telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    > non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    > slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't
    > stand
    > up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and
    > they
    > thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth
    > were
    > not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.
    >
    > After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    > managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    > because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it.
    > So
    > there were several more weeks of hell.
    >
    > That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should have
    > been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in bed
    > and babble.
    >
    > My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    > actually needed it She has seizures.
    >
    > There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a loved
    > one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are
    > you
    > going to call from your grave?
    >
    > <<<<<>>>>>
    >
    > Neurontin was prescribed for my mother's intense headaches. She had
    > terrible side effects from it. She would suffer uncontrollable shaking
    > about 30 minutes after taking a dose, and she had bizarre
    > hallucinations--for example, she would begin to scream in panic because
    > she saw water pouring down the walls, and she thought she was going to
    > drown. Her neurologist refused to discontinue the medication and insisted
    > that she needed a *stronger* dose. I went to our family physician, and he
    > said the neurologist has a fine reputation. However, he saw Mother's
    > reactions for himself when she was hospitalized, and he finally took
    > action to eliminate that medication. And I stopped taking Mother to that
    > neurologist! That medication may be helpful to some (possibly many)
    > people, but it is also a frightening medication that can do enormous harm.
    >
    > MaryL


    Yep! That's the sort of stuff I was seeing too. It was so scary because I
    was home alone with Angela. I wanted to dial 911 but I didn't know what
    would happen to Angela if I did that. My husband was at work. I also
    didn't have a phone in my room. In order to get to the phone I had to cross
    a walkway upstairs by the stairs and the voices were telling me to hurl
    myself out of that specific window. I was so frightened I didn't dare leave
    my bed. I just sat there with my eyes open watching in horror as one
    hallucination after another took over the room. That was probably the
    longest night of my life. Thankfully Angela slept through it all and didn't
    realize. On some level I knew what I was seeing and hearing wasn't real and
    that I think is the only thing that kept me sane.



  28. #28
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "Harold Groot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 19:40:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"BessieBee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:jju8ll$ohm$[email protected]..
    >>> On 3/15/2012 8:23 PM, Colt T wrote:
    >>>> The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Back then it probably was. There was very little access to fresh water
    >>> and what was fresh water was most probably contaminated with all sorts
    >>> of
    >>> nasties. Beer or ale was the beverage of choice back then because of
    >>> the
    >>> nasty water.
    >>>
    >>> (Yes, Julie, there were clear streams, but they weren't close to the
    >>> centers of population.)

    >
    >
    >>How did they make the beer or ale if they didn't have water? I have made
    >>beer so I know what it's made of.

    >
    >
    > They had water - it's just that in general they didn't have SAFE
    > water. Raw sewage was dumped into most surface sources of water.
    > Diseases can spread very quickly that way. But if the water was used
    > to make beer or wine, the alcohol in the beverage would kill off most
    > disease germs - so the beer and wine were much safer to drink than the
    > water it was made from.


    I see...



  29. #29
    Chris Malcolm Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    hemyd <myd!!![email protected]> wrote:
    > "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >> BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>
    >> : > Anyone have any other ideas?


    >> : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it comes
    >> : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    >> : the cramps disappear.
    >>
    >> : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    >> : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    >> : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of gabapentin
    >> : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    >> : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    >> : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for me.
    >>
    >> : BessieBee
    >> : --
    >> : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >>
    >> I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100 in
    >> the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is, but
    >> my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >> night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off, etc.
    >> When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >>
    >> Wendy


    > I get cramps on and off, usually in either foot, but often up my lower legs.
    > For me they are more likely to happen in cooler weather; I can inadvertantly
    > trip some off when I stretch a muscle. As in Julie's case, I usually manage
    > to stop the cramps by getting up and putting weight on my feet. The cramps
    > also do seem to happen when I am relaxed.


    If the cramps mostly happen when you're lying down, and tend to go
    away when you stand up, that suggests that insufficient blood
    circulation may be involved in causing it.

    --
    Chris Malcolm

  30. #30
    =?UTF-8?B?QmrDuHJu?= Steensrud Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    BessieBee wrote:

    > On 3/15/2012 4:56 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >
    >> I wouldn't wish gabapentin on my worst enemy! It's a seizure med. I
    >> have posted my nightmare story with it many times before and how hard it
    >> was to
    >> get off of the drug. In short it made me non-functional and suicidal.

    >
    > Well, now i know why you're sad it's so wide prescribed.
    >
    > I've had no issue so far with gabapentin, other than pain relief and
    > absence of nightly leg cramps. My neighbor also takes it for pain and
    > has no bad effects as far as I know.
    >
    > Medicine is not an exact science and what works for me may not work for
    > you, as is clearly demonstrated here.
    >
    > BessieBee


    Definitely.
    Case in point: I'm just recovering from a bout of pneumonia. Dr prescribed
    penicillin after I said I was not allergic to it. Unfortunately towards the
    end of the treatment I /did/ develop an allergy - a horrible rash that took
    prednisolon to get rid of. Next time - of any: "Yes, I am allergic to
    penicillin. Also erothromycin, the tablets give me etreme nausea."
    But to others these can be life savers. Your Mileage Will Vary.

  31. #31
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

    : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : news:jju01u$2d0$[email protected]..
    : > Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    : >
    : > : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : > : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    : > : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    : > : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    : > : >
    : > : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    : > comes
    : > : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    : > disease)
    : > : > : the cramps disappear.
    : > : >
    : > : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    : > pill
    : > : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    : > : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    : > gabapentin
    : > : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    : > first
    : > : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    : > effects,
    : > : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    : > me.
    : > : >
    : > : > : BessieBee
    : > : > : --
    : > : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    : > : >
    : > : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and
    : > 100 in
    : > : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    : > but
    : > : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    : > : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    : > etc.
    : > : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    : >
    : > : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    : >
    : > Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found it
    : > helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    : > docor's instructions.

    : Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    : remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window when
    : Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that were
    : telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    : non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    : slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't stand
    : up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and they
    : thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth were
    : not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.

    : After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    : managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    : because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it. So
    : there were several more weeks of hell.

    : That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should have
    : been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in bed
    : and babble.

    : My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    : actually needed it She has seizures.

    : There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a loved
    : one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are you
    : going to call from your grave?

    Sorry to hear that. I have no memory of hearing this before. How much
    were you taking(If you still remember) I was told tha tmy 300 mgs a day
    is a very low does and some peole who have herd this amount have kidn of
    laughed at teh smallness of the amount. that could well be part f the
    difference between us in our reaction to the drug. Clearly, it is not for
    everyone, but seems to helps some of us.

    Wendy

  32. #32
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    Colt T <[email protected]> wrote:
    : The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.

    In those days, with the state of saniation i often was. Small beer was
    the standard drink in englich speakign countries(including the American
    colonies). the Pilgrims were not foolist in their thinking on this
    subject. Coffee and tea, made with boiling water were a godsend when
    introduced because there were an non-alcoholic drink thata did not have
    the problems of cold water.

    Wendy


  33. #33
    bj Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Colt T <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> The Pilgrims thought water was very dangerous to drink.

    >
    > In those days, with the state of saniation i often was. Small beer was
    > the standard drink in englich speakign countries(including the American
    > colonies). the Pilgrims were not foolist in their thinking on this
    > subject. Coffee and tea, made with boiling water were a godsend when
    > introduced because there were an non-alcoholic drink thata did not have
    > the problems of cold water.
    >
    > Wendy


    Occasionally something goes awry in the water system & there's a "boil
    water" alert (that can last for days if it's bad). It reminds us how much
    most of us take for granted that constant, *safe* flow from the tap.
    bj

  34. #34
    BessieBee Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On 3/16/2012 12:12 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > "MaryL"<[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4f62c89b$0$17980$[email protected] ...


    >>
    >> Neurontin was prescribed for my mother's intense headaches. She had
    >> terrible side effects from it. She would suffer uncontrollable shaking
    >> about 30 minutes after taking a dose, and she had bizarre
    >> hallucinations--for example, she would begin to scream in panic because
    >> she saw water pouring down the walls, and she thought she was going to
    >> drown. Her neurologist refused to discontinue the medication and insisted
    >> that she needed a *stronger* dose. I went to our family physician, and he
    >> said the neurologist has a fine reputation. However, he saw Mother's
    >> reactions for himself when she was hospitalized, and he finally took
    >> action to eliminate that medication. And I stopped taking Mother to that
    >> neurologist! That medication may be helpful to some (possibly many)
    >> people, but it is also a frightening medication that can do enormous harm.
    >>
    >> MaryL

    >
    > Yep! That's the sort of stuff I was seeing too. It was so scary because I
    > was home alone with Angela. I wanted to dial 911 but I didn't know what
    > would happen to Angela if I did that. My husband was at work. I also
    > didn't have a phone in my room. In order to get to the phone I had to cross
    > a walkway upstairs by the stairs and the voices were telling me to hurl
    > myself out of that specific window. I was so frightened I didn't dare leave
    > my bed. I just sat there with my eyes open watching in horror as one
    > hallucination after another took over the room. That was probably the
    > longest night of my life. Thankfully Angela slept through it all and didn't
    > realize. On some level I knew what I was seeing and hearing wasn't real and
    > that I think is the only thing that kept me sane.
    >
    >

    MaryL, I'm sorry it didn't work for your mother. Julie, I'm sorry it
    didn't work for you.

    So far it's working fine for me. It does what it's supposed to do for
    me and no side effects. If that changes I will let you all know.

    --
    BessieBee

    "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."

  35. #35
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > hemyd <myd!!![email protected]> wrote:
    >> "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    >>> BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    >>>
    >>> : > Anyone have any other ideas?

    >
    >>> : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When it
    >>> comes
    >>> : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney disease)
    >>> : the cramps disappear.
    >>>
    >>> : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain pill
    >>> : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med was
    >>> : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    >>> gabapentin
    >>> : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very first
    >>> : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side effects,
    >>> : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win for
    >>> me.
    >>>
    >>> : BessieBee
    >>> : --
    >>> : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    >>>
    >>> I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed and 100
    >>> in
    >>> the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it is,
    >>> but
    >>> my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not every
    >>> night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while off,
    >>> etc.
    >>> When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single night.
    >>>
    >>> Wendy

    >
    >> I get cramps on and off, usually in either foot, but often up my lower
    >> legs.
    >> For me they are more likely to happen in cooler weather; I can
    >> inadvertantly
    >> trip some off when I stretch a muscle. As in Julie's case, I usually
    >> manage
    >> to stop the cramps by getting up and putting weight on my feet. The
    >> cramps
    >> also do seem to happen when I am relaxed.

    >
    > If the cramps mostly happen when you're lying down, and tend to go
    > away when you stand up, that suggests that insufficient blood
    > circulation may be involved in causing it.


    Mine happen all day but they were worse when lying down.



  36. #36
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.


    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jjvfpb$bpb$[email protected]..
    > Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : news:jju01u$2d0$[email protected]..
    > : > Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : >
    > : > : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : > : news:jjta90$8nl$[email protected]..
    > : > : > BessieBee <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : > : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    > : > : >
    > : > : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    > : > : > : >
    > : > : > : >
    > : > : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When
    > it
    > : > comes
    > : > : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    > : > disease)
    > : > : > : the cramps disappear.
    > : > : >
    > : > : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    > : > pill
    > : > : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med
    > was
    > : > : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    > : > gabapentin
    > : > : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    > : > first
    > : > : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    > : > effects,
    > : > : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win
    > for
    > : > me.
    > : > : >
    > : > : > : BessieBee
    > : > : > : --
    > : > : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    > : > : >
    > : > : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed
    > and
    > : > 100 in
    > : > : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it
    > is,
    > : > but
    > : > : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not
    > every
    > : > : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while
    > off,
    > : > etc.
    > : > : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single
    > night.
    > : >
    > : > : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    > : >
    > : > Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found
    > it
    > : > helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    > : > docor's instructions.
    >
    > : Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    > : remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window
    > when
    > : Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that
    > were
    > : telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    > : non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    > : slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't
    > stand
    > : up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and
    > they
    > : thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth
    > were
    > : not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.
    >
    > : After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    > : managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    > : because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it.
    > So
    > : there were several more weeks of hell.
    >
    > : That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should
    > have
    > : been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in
    > bed
    > : and babble.
    >
    > : My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    > : actually needed it She has seizures.
    >
    > : There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a
    > loved
    > : one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are
    > you
    > : going to call from your grave?
    >
    > Sorry to hear that. I have no memory of hearing this before. How much
    > were you taking(If you still remember) I was told tha tmy 300 mgs a day
    > is a very low does and some peole who have herd this amount have kidn of
    > laughed at teh smallness of the amount. that could well be part f the
    > difference between us in our reaction to the drug. Clearly, it is not for
    > everyone, but seems to helps some of us.


    I don't remember. I was ramping up to 2,000 twice daily but was not near
    that. Maybe 800 mg twice daily? Lower doses didn't do a think for my pain
    but... I had not been given the correct diagnoses for a couple of things.
    They were just throwing pills at me instead of finding the causes.



  37. #37
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

    : "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
    : news:jjvfpb$bpb$3@reader1.panix.com...
    : > Julie Bove <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote:
    : >
    : > : "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
    : > : news:jju01u$2d0$2@reader1.panix.com...
    : > : > Julie Bove <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote:
    : > : >
    : > : > : "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
    : > : > : news:jjta90$8nl$1@reader1.panix.com...
    : > : > : > BessieBee <BessieBee@dreadfulbitch.com> wrote:
    : > : > : > : On 3/15/2012 1:58 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : > : > Anyone have any other ideas?
    : > : > : > : >
    : > : > : > : >
    : > : > : > : I get nasty leg cramps at night when my potassium is low. When
    : > it
    : > : > comes
    : > : > : > : back to "normal" (a bit of a juggling act since I have kidney
    : > : > disease)
    : > : > : > : the cramps disappear.
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : > : Because of my potassium issues my kidney doctor put me on a pain
    : > : > pill
    : > : > : > : that has completely stopped the leg cramps - that particular med
    : > was
    : > : > : > : also endorsed by my cardiologist. At night I take 300 mg of
    : > : > gabapentin
    : > : > : > : and twice during the day I take 100 mg of gabapentin. The very
    : > : > first
    : > : > : > : dost knocked me on my ass, but since then no noticeable side
    : > : > effects,
    : > : > : > : but I no longer hurt all over and no leg cramps. It's a win win
    : > for
    : > : > me.
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : > : BessieBee
    : > : > : > : --
    : > : > : > : "Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."
    : > : > : >
    : > : > : > I take gabapentin, the generic of Neurontin, 200 mgs before bed
    : > and
    : > : > 100 in
    : > : > : > the day to hel with my back pain. Not sure how much actual hel it
    : > is,
    : > : > but
    : > : > : > my pain MD says jus continue it. I get leg pains at night not
    : > every
    : > : > : > night, but usually in batches, several day on then quite a while
    : > off,
    : > : > etc.
    : > : > : > When I do get them they can hit me several times in a single
    : > night.
    : > : >
    : > : > : Oh wow. Sad to see that it is so widely prescribed.
    : > : >
    : > : > Why? It may well be lessenign my back pain(not removing it) I found
    : > it
    : > : > helped some when it was first prescribed, so I continue to take it on
    : > : > docor's instructions.
    : >
    : > : Because it can have very serious side effects. Apparently you do not
    : > : remember my saga with it? It made me try to hurl myself out a window
    : > when
    : > : Angela was just a toddler. Very scary stuff. Made me hear voices that
    : > were
    : > : telling me to do it. I saw things that weren't there. Made me so
    : > : non-functional that about 20 minutes after taking it, I could feel it
    : > : slamming into my body. Then all I could do was lie down. I couldn't
    : > stand
    : > : up straight or walk. I could carry on a conversation with someone and
    : > they
    : > : thought I sounded normal but... I knew that the words leaving my mouth
    : > were
    : > : not what I wanted to say. Made me want to cry and I got very depressed.
    : >
    : > : After the night where I felt compelled to hurl myself out the window but
    : > : managed not to, I called my Dr. I was then told I couldn't just stop it
    : > : because that could cause a seizure. I had to ramp back down off of it.
    : > So
    : > : there were several more weeks of hell.
    : >
    : > : That drug took several months off of my life at a time when I should
    : > have
    : > : been watching my daughter grow up. Instead all I could do was lie in
    : > bed
    : > : and babble.
    : >
    : > : My SIL had difficulties with it but I don't recall what they were. She
    : > : actually needed it She has seizures.
    : >
    : > : There are commercials on TV now for lawsuits about it. "If you or a
    : > loved
    : > : one committed suicide because of Neurontin, call..." Cracks me up. Are
    : > you
    : > : going to call from your grave?
    : >
    : > Sorry to hear that. I have no memory of hearing this before. How much
    : > were you taking(If you still remember) I was told tha tmy 300 mgs a day
    : > is a very low does and some peole who have herd this amount have kidn of
    : > laughed at teh smallness of the amount. that could well be part f the
    : > difference between us in our reaction to the drug. Clearly, it is not for
    : > everyone, but seems to helps some of us.

    : I don't remember. I was ramping up to 2,000 twice daily but was not near
    : that. Maybe 800 mg twice daily? Lower doses didn't do a think for my pain
    : but... I had not been given the correct diagnoses for a couple of things.
    : They were just throwing pills at me instead of finding the causes.

    thanks you. I take only 100 in the morning and 200 at night and was told
    that it was a small dose. I see that is is.

    Wendy

  38. #38
    trigonometry1972@gmail.com | Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On Mar 14, 11:58*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > I did not get a refreshing sleep last night due to cramps. *They started in
    > my legs but not in the usual spot. *It was as though every single muscle,
    > even the tiny ones were cramping up. *Then my arms began to cramp and then I
    > had cramps in my sides. *Actually the leg cramps started up earlier when I
    > was sitting in my computer chair. *The only way to make the leg cramps go
    > away was to stand up and force my full weight down onto my feet. *The cramps
    > seemed to be the worst when I was relaxing.
    >
    > There are some possibilities I am thinking of here. *One is that I
    > supplemented with magnesium for about 4 days. *That could have thrown my
    > potassium off. *I have since bought some potassium. *Have yet to takeit but
    > *knock wood* no cramps yet today.
    >
    > The other is that I did a mischief to my back the other day. *I went tothe
    > kitchen to get my chia seeds to gel and long story short, found weevils in
    > my cupboard. *I immediately began bagging up all of the food to throw out,
    > save for things in really thick plastic, jars and shakers that were not
    > opened.
    >
    > It was very late at night at that point. *My blood sugar had been lowish.
    > Not a hypo but close enough to 90 that I knew I needed to eat. *And of
    > course as luck would have it, all of the activity raised my BG. *Not too
    > high but it did raise it.
    >
    > I had three bags of food to throw away and it was snowing. *First I slipped
    > on the snow when trying to get the extra trash can and felt a pain in my
    > back. *Then in trying to lift a heavy bag into the can, I only succeeded to
    > knock the can over three times and that hurt my back worse.
    >
    > So maybe in hurting my back, it caused cramps all over? *It's a stretchbut
    > I suppose that could happen.
    >
    > Or maybe...? *It could somehow be detox from the intolerances that I stopped
    > eating?
    >
    > Or maybe...? *Maybe my lowered BG could be causing the cramps? *I just don't
    > know what to think.
    >
    > Anyone have any other ideas?


    I was having cramps. I did a number of things that seemed to help for
    a time.
    I added potassium carbonate to the regimen ( moderate dose of about a
    gram
    elemental of K+ in solution), I increased my sodium chloride intake, I
    increased
    my magnesium intake (above supplemental upper limits levels), I added
    MgSO4,
    KCl, KCO3, MgCO3, betaine base plus red pepper to my table salt, I
    increased
    my water at bedtime so for whatever reason I've been pretty good of
    late ;-)

    Current BP is 126/77 at P of 74.
    I haven't checked the BG in some days but I was getting dead on 100's
    post meal,
    the same in the morning.and late in the day pre-meal values around 90.

    Does sodium improve BG?

    Magnesium in high 1 to 1 ratio with calcium seems to really
    help blood pressure. As does taurine.

    Careful with potassium in the context of ACE inhibitors for blood
    pressure meds as these meds cause one to accumulate potassium
    cation so extra could be really harmful. I dropped the ACE inhibitor
    and then I lowered the BP WITHOUT the Docs help. He knew only his
    conventional bag of tricks and they were tricks, IMO.

    Good health care can often be defined as access to meds, herbs,
    nutriceuticals,
    and tests without the "helping/grasping/throat choking) hand of a care
    provider......Trig

  39. #39
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    trigonometry1972@gmail.com wrote:
    > On Mar 14, 11:58 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    >> I did not get a refreshing sleep last night due to cramps. They
    >> started in my legs but not in the usual spot. It was as though every
    >> single muscle, even the tiny ones were cramping up. Then my arms
    >> began to cramp and then I had cramps in my sides. Actually the leg
    >> cramps started up earlier when I was sitting in my computer chair.
    >> The only way to make the leg cramps go away was to stand up and
    >> force my full weight down onto my feet. The cramps seemed to be the
    >> worst when I was relaxing.
    >>
    >> There are some possibilities I am thinking of here. One is that I
    >> supplemented with magnesium for about 4 days. That could have thrown
    >> my potassium off. I have since bought some potassium. Have yet to
    >> take it but *knock wood* no cramps yet today.
    >>
    >> The other is that I did a mischief to my back the other day. I went
    >> to the kitchen to get my chia seeds to gel and long story short,
    >> found weevils in my cupboard. I immediately began bagging up all of
    >> the food to throw out, save for things in really thick plastic, jars
    >> and shakers that were not opened.
    >>
    >> It was very late at night at that point. My blood sugar had been
    >> lowish. Not a hypo but close enough to 90 that I knew I needed to
    >> eat. And of course as luck would have it, all of the activity raised
    >> my BG. Not too high but it did raise it.
    >>
    >> I had three bags of food to throw away and it was snowing. First I
    >> slipped on the snow when trying to get the extra trash can and felt
    >> a pain in my back. Then in trying to lift a heavy bag into the can,
    >> I only succeeded to knock the can over three times and that hurt my
    >> back worse.
    >>
    >> So maybe in hurting my back, it caused cramps all over? It's a
    >> stretch but I suppose that could happen.
    >>
    >> Or maybe...? It could somehow be detox from the intolerances that I
    >> stopped eating?
    >>
    >> Or maybe...? Maybe my lowered BG could be causing the cramps? I just
    >> don't know what to think.
    >>
    >> Anyone have any other ideas?

    >
    > I was having cramps. I did a number of things that seemed to help for
    > a time.
    > I added potassium carbonate to the regimen ( moderate dose of about a
    > gram
    > elemental of K+ in solution), I increased my sodium chloride intake, I
    > increased
    > my magnesium intake (above supplemental upper limits levels), I added
    > MgSO4,
    > KCl, KCO3, MgCO3, betaine base plus red pepper to my table salt, I
    > increased
    > my water at bedtime so for whatever reason I've been pretty good of
    > late ;-)
    >
    > Current BP is 126/77 at P of 74.
    > I haven't checked the BG in some days but I was getting dead on 100's
    > post meal,
    > the same in the morning.and late in the day pre-meal values around 90.
    >
    > Does sodium improve BG?
    >
    > Magnesium in high 1 to 1 ratio with calcium seems to really
    > help blood pressure. As does taurine.
    >
    > Careful with potassium in the context of ACE inhibitors for blood
    > pressure meds as these meds cause one to accumulate potassium
    > cation so extra could be really harmful. I dropped the ACE inhibitor
    > and then I lowered the BP WITHOUT the Docs help. He knew only his
    > conventional bag of tricks and they were tricks, IMO.
    >
    > Good health care can often be defined as access to meds, herbs,
    > nutriceuticals,
    > and tests without the "helping/grasping/throat choking) hand of a care
    > provider......Trig



    Thaniks! I am on max dose of an ACE mainly for my kidneys but also take a
    diuretic. Had a white knuckle flight home from my parent's house just now.
    Had hail that was larger than anything I'd ever seen before. That made the
    road slippery. And then the cramps started only in the right leg and foot.
    I wanted to pull over, get out and stretch the leg but there was no way I
    was getting out in that mess! And no place where I could pull over and
    quickly get inside somewhere. So I just toughed it out all the way home,
    massaging the leg as best I could. Thankfully it stopped enough when I got
    home that I could stretch the leg for a few minutes. It has turned very
    cold here and we just had thunder. Grrr...



  40. #40
    trigonometry1972@gmail.com | Guest

    Default Re: Cramps all over the body.

    On Mar 17, 8:12*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > trigonometry1...@gmail.com wrote:
    > > On Mar 14, 11:58 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > >> I did not get a refreshing sleep last night due to cramps. They
    > >> started in my legs but not in the usual spot. It was as though every
    > >> single muscle, even the tiny ones were cramping up. Then my arms
    > >> began to cramp and then I had cramps in my sides. Actually the leg
    > >> cramps started up earlier when I was sitting in my computer chair.
    > >> The only way to make the leg cramps go away was to stand up and
    > >> force my full weight down onto my feet. The cramps seemed to be the
    > >> worst when I was relaxing.

    >
    > >> There are some possibilities I am thinking of here. One is that I
    > >> supplemented with magnesium for about 4 days. That could have thrown
    > >> my potassium off. I have since bought some potassium. Have yet to
    > >> take it but *knock wood* no cramps yet today.

    >
    > >> The other is that I did a mischief to my back the other day. I went
    > >> to the kitchen to get my chia seeds to gel and long story short,
    > >> found weevils in my cupboard. I immediately began bagging up all of
    > >> the food to throw out, save for things in really thick plastic, jars
    > >> and shakers that were not opened.

    >
    > >> It was very late at night at that point. My blood sugar had been
    > >> lowish. Not a hypo but close enough to 90 that I knew I needed to
    > >> eat. And of course as luck would have it, all of the activity raised
    > >> my BG. Not too high but it did raise it.

    >
    > >> I had three bags of food to throw away and it was snowing. First I
    > >> slipped on the snow when trying to get the extra trash can and felt
    > >> a pain in my back. Then in trying to lift a heavy bag into the can,
    > >> I only succeeded to knock the can over three times and that hurt my
    > >> back worse.

    >
    > >> So maybe in hurting my back, it caused cramps all over? It's a
    > >> stretch but I suppose that could happen.

    >
    > >> Or maybe...? It could somehow be detox from the intolerances that I
    > >> stopped eating?

    >
    > >> Or maybe...? Maybe my lowered BG could be causing the cramps? I just
    > >> don't know what to think.

    >
    > >> Anyone have any other ideas?

    >
    > > I was having cramps. I did a number of things that seemed to help for
    > > a time.
    > > I added potassium carbonate to the regimen ( moderate dose of about a
    > > gram
    > > elemental of K+ in solution), I increased my sodium chloride intake, I
    > > increased
    > > my magnesium intake (above supplemental upper limits levels), I added
    > > MgSO4,
    > > KCl, KCO3, MgCO3, betaine base plus red pepper to my table salt, I
    > > increased
    > > my water at bedtime so for whatever reason I've been pretty good of
    > > late ;-)

    >
    > > Current BP is 126/77 at P of 74.
    > > I haven't checked the BG in some days but I was getting dead on 100's
    > > post meal,
    > > the same in the morning.and late in the day pre-meal values around 90.

    >
    > > Does sodium improve BG?

    >
    > > Magnesium in high 1 to 1 ratio with calcium seems to really
    > > help blood pressure. As does taurine.

    >
    > > Careful with potassium in the context of ACE inhibitors for blood
    > > pressure meds as these meds cause one to accumulate potassium
    > > cation so extra could be really harmful. I dropped the ACE inhibitor
    > > and then I lowered the BP WITHOUT the Docs help. He knew only his
    > > conventional bag of tricks and they were tricks, IMO.

    >
    > > Good health care can often be defined as access to meds, herbs,
    > > nutriceuticals,
    > > and tests without the "helping/grasping/throat choking) hand of a care
    > > provider......Trig

    >
    > Thaniks! *I am on max dose of an ACE mainly for my kidneys but also take a
    > diuretic. *Had a white knuckle flight home from my parent's house just now.
    > Had hail that was larger than anything I'd ever seen before. *That madethe
    > road slippery. *And then the cramps started only in the right leg and foot.
    > I wanted to pull over, get out and stretch the leg but there was no way I
    > was getting out in that mess! *And no place where I could pull over and
    > quickly get inside somewhere. *So I just toughed it out all the way home,
    > massaging the leg as best I could. *Thankfully it stopped enough when Igot
    > home that I could stretch the leg for a few minutes. *It has turned very
    > cold here and we just had thunder. *Grrr...


    Folks west of the Cascade mountian chain tend not to have studded
    tires
    as their climate 'in theory' is pretty mild.
    Though ice coated roads are always dangerous even with the best of
    tires but more so where the bulk of people aren't prepared.

    A cramp in a leg while driving, yikes. I've done that but not recently
    or
    even this last 365 days as I can recall. Then again I have had gut
    cramps
    that would double me over back in day when on the assorted GERD meds.

    It was brisk out when I took my Sunday five mile run and the sun broke
    thru about the time I was done.

    I'll take a pain free day or night...............Trig

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