Daily WDJW Health Tip for 06/30/10

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 06-30-2010, 11:31 AM

It is when we are certain of the future (Zechariah 14:9) that we
become healthier (hungrier --> http://WDJW.net/BeHungry ) than ever:

http://WDJW.net/HealthTip

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
life in remembrance of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man:

http://WDJW.net/PrinceOfPeace

Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, mind, and
body:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2137d4e2858d8?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth

May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Love in the Truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://Amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG

Ken · 06-30-2010, 03:01 PM

"Chung Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and
only job after just over 80 days. Fled the state of Florida, and now
claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges
in
the State's hospitals." -Shlomo F.
"Chung runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa
$200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on
its
website. Visiting said website will infect your PC." -S.F.
"Chung promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee
that
he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the "Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud", where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover*
onto food . (*Acetone - extremely destructive to the nervous sys.)
"Declares he has a cardiology practice despite x-posting the same
spam
night and day (as often as 24 times a day) from the same IP address
(his home presumably).'
"Chung has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife
fled
some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off
as
"being on vacation".
"Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole.
Even his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole (street term for
EGOIST). There is NOTHING "spiritual" about him. He has absolutely
NO
HOPE of real spirituality. In fact, he is the opposite of
spirituality,
ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never
will. No one wants to be around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to
try to learn how real humans behave by observation, then pretend to
be
like them. He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to
hide
it and fake being a real human. He will not fool a real human for
long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other
way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent. His life
will go badly, and end ugly. A total egoist, like Chung, will NEVER
admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows that most of this is
true."
-GSI

Chung has been around for quite a few years now, and over time (last
5 years or so) his posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in his 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see a once clever man go down the gurgler like this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of his disease -
most likely schizophrenia

Happy Oyster · 06-30-2010, 03:01 PM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:04:14 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It is when we are certain of the future (Zechariah 14:9) that we
>become healthier (hungrier

That is bull**** by one of the meanest stalkers in the Net: Andrew Ben Hua
Chung, who even attacks dying persons.

Andrew Ben Hua Chung's medical claims can - if followed - lead to death. And he
knows that. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine.

FAQ about the stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
==========================================

6.5.2010

0. Preword
1. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine
2. Andrew Ben Hua Chung and the Georgia medical board
3. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
4. verity about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
5. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
6. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site
The attorneys of state at Atlanta have homework to do!
7. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung

0. Preword
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Today is May, 6th., 2010.

Since 14.9.2009 until now I received 9135 posts in this very news-group
sci.med.cardiology.

Of these 9135 posts 3228 are sent by Andrew Ben Hua Chung. His sole interest is
to harass and to stalk others.

Here are some quotes of examples:

On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:25:13 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
>psychopathology:

On Thu, 06 May 2010 08:46:45 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

A look at the header reveals:

From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt .bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet .theology

Subject: Politely asking Steve Hayes a 4th time here that simple yes/no question
that only the perishing can't answer with an affirmative ...

Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a damned swine and criminal Net stalker, he even
terrorizes dying patients. Following his "advice" can lead to death.

The usenet is one of the most wonderful and important inventions in the history
of mankind. It is not meant to be abused by criminals like the sadistic stalker
Andrew Ben Hua Chung.

1. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine
----------------------------------

Andrew Ben Hua Chung is no real doctor. He is a sadistic swine. He makes claims
(gives medical "advice"), which to follow can lead to death.

Hunger damages the brain tissue.

But Andrew Ben Hua Chung day for day bombs his **** into the Net. He terrorizes
persons who object him, by pulling off his insane religiot mumbo-jumbo.

Look at the state of various news-goups, including so important ones like

sci.med.cardiology

His mess he bombs simltaneously into

sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt .bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.atheism

What the hell has alt.atheism to do with cardiology!?

Andrew Ben Hung Chung is a swine of a spammer. He copies the same **** uncounted
times as "reply" to objections against his ****.

What he does is by no means covered by "Free Speech".

He interferes public safety phones, this way violating the public safety rules.

He is a danger to public.

2. "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
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http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/.../msg00014.html

<quote>
"Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
From: "Tdub" <gripshift5@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 1 Jan 2007 18:13:38 -0800
By the manner of his participation in this forum "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung"
may have violated the following section 360-3-.02 of the Rules of the
Georgia Medical Board ("Unprofessional Conduct Defined"):

(6) Providing treatment and/or consultation recommendations via
electronic or other means unless the licensee has performed a history and
physical examination of the patient adequate to establish differential diagnoses
and identify underlying conditions and/or contra- indications to the treatment
recommended.

(13) Practicing medicine while mentally, physically, or chemically impaired.

(14) Failing to use such means as history, physical examination, laboratory, or
radiographic studies, when applicable, to diagnose a medical problem.

In addition, the Board may require Dr. Chung to get a psych evaluation:

360-3-.04 Mental or Physical Evaluations.
(1) The Board may, upon reasonable grounds, require a licensee or
applicant to submit to a mental or physical examination by a physician and/or
evaluation program approved by the Board. The costs of the evaluation are the
responsibility of the licensee or applicant.

TO FILE A COMPLAINT:

Here is a link to the complaint form (copy and paste address text as
needed into browser address bar+remove any blank spaces):

http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/vgn/...ver%20Form.pdf

You will need this information to fill out the form:

License type: Medical Doctor
Name of licensee: Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
Address of licensee: 5701 Mableton Parkway 2B, MABLETON, GA 30126

The form can be sent to (or you can call to get a form or file a
complaint, etc.):

Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723
</quote>

3. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
------------------------------------------

http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/...t-1451523.html

<quote>
7th March 07:42
bob pastorio

Just something for many of you to think about.
----------------------------------------------

It is laughter. It is consuming, driving, uncontrollable mirth. It is
the reaction to one of the most ironic posts I've ever seen. It is the
laughter of confirmation. It is the laughter that comes when the full
truth about you is revealed after myriad of your efforts to try to
conceal it.

You're hilarious, Chung. And you don't even get it.

But this leads to a more serious subject. It's this: I've come to the
realization that you actually believe the stuff you write here. That
it's terribly important to you despite your declarations to the
contrary, that it's just usenet. That it's merely usenet and not to be
taken seriously. Your gratitude for the "opportunity to witness before
so many" or words to that effect present a sobering picture. You
actually believe that your proselytizing in these threads will yield
good result. You believe that your tactics are acceptable because
others will hear your promotion of your idea of Christianity.

You have the zealotry of the fanatic. The unassailable conviction that
you have an exclusive grasp on truth. That you are perfect in your
understanding and perfect in your belief and that any means to present
that to others is acceptable. Thus you have taken a rather low road
for what you see as a high purpose.

I'm bowing out of all this, Chung. Not because I think you right, but
because I see that I overestimated you. I didn't really want to
believe that you were simply a fundamentalist Christian zealot. I
thought that a scientific background would create in you a desire for
evidence and proof or at least a rigorous logical perspective. One can
be a believer and still be a conscientious scientist. I know many such
people. You don't seem to be that person.

Your 2PoundDiet may be useful for a few, but I doubt it could have any
wider utility. I think it's superficial and too limited for general
application. It admits of no impulse and none of the pleasure of
either the food or the social table. You've utterly ignored the
communion and secondary issues of the table that have nothing to do
with food in your formulation. The children of parents doing 2PD
seeing no pleasure in the moment or the offerings will grow to wish to
avoid the setting. Particularly in the culture they're part of,
whichever it is. Every culture on earth makes a big deal of community
eating for the fellowship and respite. You've taken that away and
turned it into a mere fuel stop. It flies in the face of eons or human
evolution as social creatures. I certainly don't hate it; I think it's
a trifle.

You try to peddle the pejorative description of me as chef. As though
it were somehow degrading to be one. It's honest labor and I'm pleased
with my experience in food service and how I've affected the lives of
hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of diners. I'm pleased
with my life before that as an international marketer with big and
little companies. That's neither here nor there for this note. Just
information.

Actually, at this stage of my life, I'm more a writer than chef. More
than 1000 pieces published in newspapers and magazines across the US.
Pieces in encyclopedia to come out next year. Web sites for many
clients. Facts, rational and likely conclusions, and let the chips
fall where they may. You don't work that way so we have little common
purpose.

Dealing with you has been an interesting study in the use of language.
I've watched you deliberately obscure meaning. Deliberately
misunderstand and mislead. Deliberately try to confuse and confound. I
thought these were merely tactics. I was wrong. These are your
lifeblood. These are your needs to prevent finding error in your
belief package. These methods are central to your need to protect what
you believe. My opinion is that they're profoundly unhealthy.
Obviously, you disagree or you wouldn't do it.

So here's the bottom line. I'm out of these threads with you. Barring
some egregious post from you, I'm not going to participate in these
little fiestas. I do think that the judgments you've shown in these
posts reflect poorly on you as a person and as a medical professional.
For you to throw around professional terminology like "differential
diagnosis" as a tool of argument is IMO a shabby stunt, particularly
when you know it to be a sham. So enjoy yourself with the other people
you're playing with. The floor is yours to do with as you wish.

I'm withdrawing from this confabulation. I suspect you'll do your
abnormal normal thing and hang your macro at the end. Have at it.

Pastorio
</quote>

4. verity about Chung
---------------------

On 03 May 2010 13:17:32 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
<quote>
Truth:

The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice

All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.

The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
information led where the agenda demands.

Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.

There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
with the inventor's posts.

May God bless and protect and heal.
</quote>

5. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:52:44 -0700, GreatSageItchy <[email protected]>
wrote:

<quote>
ANDREW B. CHUNG IS A TOTALLY EGOCENTRIC, TOTALLY ARROGANT, INSANE,
WHACK-JOB. HIS ATTRACTION TO RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY IS ENTIRELY THE
ATTRACTION OF OPPOSITES. ANDREW CHUNG WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
WHEN CAMELS FLY THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE, AND COWS FLY TO THE MOON.
CHUNG IS A COCKROACH INFESTATION AND DESTROYER OF USENET*. DO NOT FEED
COCKROACHES. (*See sci.med.cardiology)

BOTTOM LINE ON CHUNG: ALL EGO, NOTHING BUT EGO. PURE ARROGANCE.
TOTALLY UNREPENTENT ASSHOLE SPAMMER.
TAGS: Andrew B. Chung, WDJW, sci.med.cardiology, Emory University,
WDJW.net, 2PD-OMER Approach, total egoist, insane, internet creep,
usenet #1 asshole, certifiable sick asshole, human garbage, closet
homosexual, erectile dysfunction, MANBLA, young boys, molestation,
chikan, pervert, pedophile, extreme fundamentalist Christian asshole,
pseudo-christian, "Jesus is LORD" aka "EGO Christianity", psychopath,
totally arrogant spammer, usenet cockroach, stalker, satanic demon,
egomaniac, ladyboy, "chicks with dicks", "God loves fags", "Jesus is
LORD GOD KING BUFU".

Chung's Favorite Newsgroups:
alt.EGO-Christianity.Jesus.is.LORD.GOD.KING.BUFU
alt.prettyboy.loves-Jesus-and-cock
alt.ladyboyChung.sucks.cock.for.Jesus
alt.****.my.ladyboy.poosy
alt.bottom.bitch.for.Jesus

The sayings of Andrew B. Chung of Emory University:
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3). Can you say 'Jesus is LORD'? Can you also say 'Muhammad was a
goat-****ing son of SATAN?'
"This gentile Christian disciple reminds friends that the name 'Quran',
as translated from original Arabic, means: 'Goat-****ing for dummies' "
"It has been the observation of this bona-fide licensed physician that
negros are actually big monkeys with large sex organs."
"Death to the imperialist war-mongers of the Communist Party of China."
"Death to the fascist bandits and insects Hu Jintao, and his running
dogs, the Communist Party of China."
Death to the murderer Deng Xiaoping, of Hu Yaobang and Chinese freedom."
"Freedom for the people of Tibet - Long live the Dal

</quote>

6. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site:
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http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp

<quote>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist

Cyber-stalking.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/

Special Message to Visitors (and Cyber-stalkers)

As a web site like HeartMDPhD.com becomes more "famous," it was inevitable that
both the site and its author would become the target of harassment by those who
have become obsessed with either. This is cyber-stalking, it is a crime, and a
good discussion about it can be found by clicking here.

This has happened, but rather than ignore this criminal behavior, I feel it is
my civic responsibility to make the occurrence of such criminal behavior
publicly known here after reporting it to the proper authorities in order to
discourage it else others may fall victim to similar behavior by these and/or
other perpetrators. Crime is effective only when victims choose to fall silent.

You can find a partial list of those folks from whom I have received harassing
electronic messages by clicking here. Some of their handiwork can also be seen
in my guestbook. I have also posted sample email headers from these
cyber-stalkers in order to fully publicize their crimes.

Please know that I have forgiven these people for they know not what they are
doing.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional
love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1
Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).

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</quote>

Andrew Ben-Hua Chung does know very well about stalking, and about how criminal
it is. And, still, Andrew Ben-Hua Chung is one of the meanest and most
disgusting stalkers in the whole Net.

The attorneys of state in Atlanta have homework to do!

7. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
wrote:

<quote>
From: Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messiani c.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology

Subject: Re: Being mercifully kind (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing
************************************************** *************************
body (anorexia) & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
************************************************** *************************

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500
Message-ID: <hil5gd$s2u$[email protected]>

Sightwalker pridefully said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg

> Being mercifully kind

Fact #1, you are not being merciful when you call people liars without
clearly showing the lies.

> (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing body (anorexia)

Fact #2, as you have never seen my body you can only "perishing body"
perhaps as, "...appointed unto men once to die..." which would put your
body in the same class as you say you are praying for mine?

> & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...

Fact #3, you have as of yet shown a definitive lie, so the perishing
mind seems to be yours because of your delusions.

Fact #4, if you follow Christ charlie you'll never *hunger*, for it is
written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that
cometh to me shall never hunger..." Jno 6:35

Fact #5, we who have been reading your posts see you are at best using
the groups for self serving purposes, selling books and stroking your
ego, this is shown by the fact you cross post your quack science to the
religious groups, and your cult religion to the science groups.

Jimmy "telling the truth" Alpha
</quote>

8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:54:33 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <[email protected]>
wrote:
(emphasize added by me)

<quote>
sightwalker with a phd said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
> It is when we are in accord with a message of reconciliation that we
> become healthier (hungrier) than ever.

Andrew, follow Christ and you will relieve that chronic *hunger*, if in
fact it's true and not just more touting your many capitalistic
endeavors?
It is written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of
********************************************
life: he that cometh to me shall *never* hunger..."
************************************************** *
Jno 6:35
Jimmy Alpha
</quote>

Also note this:

>Le 2010-01-13 06:44, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD a écrit :
>> This gentile Christian disciple
>
>is happy to let his "lord" kill and torture these people :
>
>http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...-8&sa=N&tab=wi
>
>Chung is diseased.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ind/famine.jpg

..
--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 06-30-2010, 03:31 PM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.et/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0c19df5ffc2f7?

Ken · 06-30-2010, 06:30 PM

Chung Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and
only job after just over 80 days. Fled the state of Florida, and now
claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges
in
the State's hospitals." -Shlomo F.
"Chung runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa
$200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on
its
website. Visiting said website will infect your PC." -S.F.
"Chung promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee
that
he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the "Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud", where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover*
onto food . (*Acetone - extremely destructive to the nervous sys.)
"Declares he has a cardiology practice despite x-posting the same
spam
night and day (as often as 24 times a day) from the same IP address
(his home presumably).'
"Chung has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife
fled
some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off
as
"being on vacation".
"Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole.
Even his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole (street term for
EGOIST). There is NOTHING "spiritual" about him. He has absolutely
NO
HOPE of real spirituality. In fact, he is the opposite of
spirituality,
ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never
will. No one wants to be around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to
try to learn how real humans behave by observation, then pretend to
be
like them. He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to
hide
it and fake being a real human. He will not fool a real human for
long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other
way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent. His life
will go badly, and end ugly. A total egoist, like Chung, will NEVER
admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows that most of this is
true."
-GSI

Chung has been around for quite a few years now, and over time (last
5 years or so) his posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in his 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see a once clever man go down the gurgler like this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of his disease -
most likely schizophrenia

Happy Oyster · 06-30-2010, 07:00 PM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:17:19 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 1

..
--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 06-30-2010, 08:33 PM

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0c19df5ffc2f7?

Happy Oyster · 06-30-2010, 09:31 PM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:59:38 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 8

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 06-30-2010, 10:31 PM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0c19df5ffc2f7?

Ken · 06-30-2010, 11:03 PM

"Chung Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and
only job after just over 80 days. Fled the state of Florida, and now
claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges
in
the State's hospitals." -Shlomo F.
"Chung runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa
$200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on
its
website. Visiting said website will infect your PC." -S.F.
"Chung promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee
that
he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the "Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud", where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover*
onto food . (*Acetone - extremely destructive to the nervous sys.)
"Declares he has a cardiology practice despite x-posting the same
spam
night and day (as often as 24 times a day) from the same IP address
(his home presumably).'
"Chung has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife
fled
some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off
as
"being on vacation".
"Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole.
Even his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole (street term for
EGOIST). There is NOTHING "spiritual" about him. He has absolutely
NO
HOPE of real spirituality. In fact, he is the opposite of
spirituality,
ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never
will. No one wants to be around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to
try to learn how real humans behave by observation, then pretend to
be
like them. He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to
hide
it and fake being a real human. He will not fool a real human for
long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other
way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent. His life
will go badly, and end ugly. A total egoist, like Chung, will NEVER
admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows that most of this is
true."
-GSI

Chung has been around for quite a few years now, and over time (last
5 years or so) his posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in his 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see a once clever man go down the gurgler like this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of his disease -
most likely schizophrenia or just his being Bat **** Krazy

Happy Oyster · 07-01-2010, 12:01 AM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:18:21 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 9

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-01-2010, 01:01 AM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince minds:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
.... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Happy Oyster · 07-01-2010, 01:01 AM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:11:20 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 10

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-01-2010, 01:01 AM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince minds:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
.... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-01-2010, 03:00 AM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince minds:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
.... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Happy Oyster · 07-01-2010, 05:31 AM

On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:40:59 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 12

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-01-2010, 11:32 AM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince minds:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
.... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Happy Oyster · 07-01-2010, 01:04 PM

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 06:59:08 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 19
--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-01-2010, 05:01 PM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...0c19df5ffc2f7?

Ken · 07-01-2010, 07:32 PM

Seek help for your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, FOOL

Happy Oyster · 07-01-2010, 09:03 PM

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:20:46 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 20

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD · 07-02-2010, 04:32 AM

Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...bac965960728f?

> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?

**emphasis** added

> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bull****. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!

See **emphasis** above.

Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.

Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?

Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...6cea52f0504a3?

Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5),
http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...2aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince minds:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
.... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...81ab7d7ce78de?

Ken · 07-02-2010, 04:32 AM

Andy Chung an unemployed QUACK after being sacked with cause from his
one and
only job after just over 80 days. Fled the state of Florida, and now
claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges
in
the State's hospitals." -Shlomo F.
"Chung runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa
$200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on
its
website. Visiting said website will infect your PC." -S.F.
"Chung promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee
that
he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the "Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud", where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover*
onto food . (*Acetone - extremely destructive to the nervous sys.)
"Declares he has a cardiology practice despite x-posting the same
spam
night and day (as often as 24 times a day) from the same IP address
(his home presumably).'
"Chung has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife
fled
some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off
as
"being on vacation".
"Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole.
Even his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole (street term for
EGOIST). There is NOTHING "spiritual" about him. He has absolutely
NO
HOPE of real spirituality. In fact, he is the opposite of
spirituality,
ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never
will. No one wants to be around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to
try to learn how real humans behave by observation, then pretend to
be
like them. He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to
hide
it and fake being a real human. He will not fool a real human for
long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other
way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent. His life
will go badly, and end ugly. A total egoist, like Chung, will NEVER
admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows that most of this is
true."
-GSI

Chung has been around for quite a few years now, and over time (last
5 years or so) his posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in his 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see a once clever man go down the gurgler like this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of his disease -
most likely schizophrenia

Happy Oyster · 07-02-2010, 04:32 AM

On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:38:03 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

No intelligent answer from Andrew Ben Hua Chung, but old stuff he reposts again
and again.

File 24
--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Jan Drew · 07-02-2010, 06:32 AM

http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...GIACcxszmoT0jQ

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Jan Drew · 07-02-2010, 06:32 AM

No intelligent answer from Aribert (Yappy) Deckers but old stuff he
reposts again, and again.

File 13.

Jan Drew · 07-02-2010, 06:32 AM

No intelligent answer from Aribert (Yappy) Deckers, but old stuff he
reposts again, and again.

Happy Oyster · 07-02-2010, 10:38 AM

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:26:31 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>No intelligent answer from Aribert (Yappy) Deckers but old stuff he
>reposts again, and again.
>
>
>File 13.

Janet Mae Drew, the criminal stalker, does not stop. So it is time again to post
the FAQ about her.

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>Troll, liar, filthy mouth. name caller, who cannot prove it's claims
>"Peter B." <.@.>
>
>Has a hissy fit.

Oh, oh, not again...

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

Headline: "Re: -- Mark S is a despicable bastard and should eliminate himself"

>On Jun 28, 2:23*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>
>There I fixed the subjet title.
>
>> On Jun 28, 9:42*am, Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > For a far more lucid declaration of all the many "issues" he had with
>> > his ex-wife, * Ingrid Rungen, *see the 5 Part Complaint he filed with
>> > the Board of Medical Examiners against his ex-wife Ingrid Runden,
>> > then, *published to usenet.
>>
>> These are ancient history and resulted in nothing except to make this
>> poor woman's life a living hell for years. She made one mistake,
>> marrying that psychopath.
>>
>> You are a despicalbe bastard for bringing this up, Linda Gore, and you
>> should drop dead.
>
>Your buddies started this despicable thread. It is Off topic, and no
>one's business.
>
>Of course you don't criticize them. Wimp. Rather, you are most eager
>to trash any and all who disagree with you, or show your true colors.
>
>Now, shut up.

Janet Mae Drew, the imbecile Net stalker, does not stop. Time again to post the
warning FAQ about her.

Do note: Janet Mae Drew also is a mean racist:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:02:06 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 24, 11:46*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 11:43*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 11:31*pm, Mark S Probert Merrick, NY
>>
>> > <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Jun 24, 11:01*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jun 24, 5:40*pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/print.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > > > Pediatric SuperSite – Error
>> > > > The web site has encountered an error and the webmaster has been
>> > > > notified.
>> > > > Thank you for your patience as we resolve this matter.
>> > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > Copyright © 2010 SLACK, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>>
>> quoted under fair use. Shove it.
>
>Nice way to post, Jew.

Janet Mae Drew is a racist.

Well, nothing new. She has a long record...

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 23, 9:12*pm, Mark Insane need to argue, disbarred lawyer,fithy
>mouth Jew, name caller,hypocrite, harasser, stalker Probert
><mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 23, 8:22*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wierdo.
>>
>> > Stupid to use myspace
>>
>> >http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>>
>> > Al Grimes
>>
>> This is, by definition, stalking.
>
>lol. No wonder Mark S Probert was disbarred.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid sociopath, who hates children so much that she
wants to destroy their right to be saved by vaccination.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:47:41 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes, another wimps Profile"

>Al Grimes, another wimp's profile

25 minute before that, already attacked Al Grimes:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes"

>Wierdo.
>
>Stupid to use myspace
>
>http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>
>Al Grimes

VERY STUPID to harass other users. Like Janet Mae Drew does.

See here:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>Note from Jan:
>
>Some of these posts are duplicates. But the honest reader will get
>the idea.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid stalker, Why so? Because she attacks a person
who is not here. And not only that, she continues her insane attacks even after
being told that fact.

More about Janet Mae Drew, the shame of the family:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

Headline: "Re: Mar S Probert is a mess and does not live up to his Jewish
training"

>Proven by his own words.
>

Janet Mae Drew is an antisemitic racist. But knew that for years, see the
following facts and FAQs:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 11:43*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 11:12*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Getting help with stalking, lying, being a hypocrite, having a
>filthy
>mouth, calling name, profanity, and thinks he is Mark Probert-Drew.

1st., this thread is about Janet Mae Drew.

2nd., Janet mae Drew is a notoric liar, stalker, harasser and forger.

See here:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 8:08*pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > I never posted Barett was de-licensed.
>>
>> That is a damned lie.
>>
>> There is the piece of proof:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Path:
>> g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!out03b.usenets erver.com!news.usenetserv*er.com!in04.usenetserver .com!news.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy. n*et!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodig y.com!postmaster.news.prodi*gy.com!newssvr12.news. prodigy.net.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail
>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> *******************************************
>> *******************************************
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$[email protected]>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: Leonard Haimes MD *Reprimanded in Florida
>> Lines: 180
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>> X-Complaints-To: [email protected]
>> X-Trace: newssvr12.news.prodigy.net 1188804701 ST000 68.72.59.108 (Mon, 03 Sep
>> 2007 03:31:41 EDT)
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:31:41 EDT
>> Organization: SBChttp://yahoo.sbc.com
>> X-UserInfo1:
>> OX[[BWSEBJBUW]YSN[O@_WH@YR_B@EXLLBWLOOAFMAVNDQUBLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_*N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\ B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^K*C\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL
>> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:31:41 GMT
>>
>> *Blazing Tattles Magazine * *View profile
>> * More options Nov 3 2001, 6:42 pm
>>
>> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
>> From: "Blazing Tattles Magazine" <cla...@blazingtattles.com>
>> Date: 03 Nov 2001 22:42:14 GMT
>> Local: Sat, Nov 3 2001 6:42 pm
>> Subject: The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>> Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original |
>> Report this message | Find messages by this author
>> I am just passing on the article, below, for your information. *I have not
>> personally verified the facts therein. *The article is *not* a Blazing
>> Tattles publication. *--Claire Gilbert
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>>
>> Opinion by "Consumer Advocate" Tim Bolen
>>
>> November 3, 2001
>>
>> There was a day when the "quackbusters" were a force to reckon
>> with. *But now, they've been beaten so soundly, in so many
>> places, over so many issues, that they have no credibility left.
>> They are, simply, nothing to fear. *Their teeth have been pulled.
>>
>> The court case they recently lost in California, "Homeopath
>> Smashes 'Quackpot Menace' in California," *was more than just one
>> more victory for the forces of good. * It was a MILESTONE in the
>> war against quackbuster evil.
>>
>> THE IMPORTANCE OF THE "HOMEOPATHIC" COURT CASE...
>>
>> In this current assault against health freedom by delicensed MD
>> Stephen Barrett and his minions, the National Council Against
>> Health Fraud (NCAHF), had posed as an injured Plaintiff using
>> what's called California's "Private Attorney General" law.
>> Basically, Barrett, et al, were claiming that about fifteen
>> manufacturers of Homeopathic products in the USA were
>> "fraudulently advertising" homeopathic products, asserting that
>> "homeopathy has never been scientifically proven - therefore, it
>> is fraud."
>>
>> This first case, the one decided on Hill Street in Los Angeles,
>> was filed against Frank King, and King Bio Pharmaceuticals
>> (www.kingbio.com) of Asheville, North Carolina. *Barrett rushed
>> this one to trial, I believe, thinking he could get an early
>> victory against a small manufacturer of homeopathic products -
>> and use that victory to bludgeon larger producers into cash
>> settlements.
>>
>> It didn't work. *Barrett's strategy backfired. *He, in his
>> mega-arrogance, didn't count on members of the Health Freedom
>> Movement setting up an ambush, right there on Hill Street.
>> Barrett, and his cronies, walked right into it.
>>
>> Scott Pinsky, Frank Hill's attorney in California, assembled a
>> strong defensive case, based on the simple premise that "The
>> NCAHF presented no evidence that the health discipline called
>> Homeopathy was fraudulent." *It worked. *Pinsky, during the
>> actual trial, also had the backing of famed California civil
>> litigator Carlos Negrete - a serious veteran of courtroom wars.
>> The combination crushed the NCAHF - easily. *The NCAHF really
>> didn't have a case...
>>
>> Barrett had based the whole NCAHF case on HIS OWN opinions, and
>> had used his own writings as his so-called evidence.
>>
>> SO, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CASE, WHY DID THE NCAHF PROCEED AGAINST
>> THE HOMEOPATHS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>> The answer is complex, I believe, and centers around two
>> important factors: *(1) *a desire to counter the growing number
>> of humiliating losses the "quackbusters" have been suffering,
>> around North America, at the hands of Health Freedom activists.
>> (2) *Bad leadership.
>>
>> When John Renner was still alive, he held the annual meeting for
>> the NCAHF in his home town in Missouri. *All of twenty-five
>> stalwarts showed up for the annual event. *The turn-out was so
>> pathetic, Renner had to down-size his meeting plans several
>> times. *In contrast, Health Freedom activists can put 100
>> activists into a coffee-shop meeting on two days notice - and can
>> deliver, literally, thousands of people to just come and "stare"
>> at Medical Board members during quarterly meetings - anywhere in
>> North America.
>>
>> Stephen Barrett took over management of the NCAHF after Renner
>> died - and decided to use it, I think, to bolster his own
>> "testifying business," the one he useswww.quackwatch.comto
>> promote. *Barrett runs his business out of his basement in
>> Allentown, PA. *In order for Barrett to continue to generate
>> business, he must make it appear to attorneys out there, that he
>> has a good product to offer. *His product, he claims, is
>> "anti-quackery testimony" for which he demands a significant fee.
>>
>> But Barrett's problem, and the problem of all of the so called
>> "quackbusters," is that in order to command those "significant
>> fees," he (and the others) have to have a track record of
>> "victories," an attorney can rely on. *Of late, Barrett, et al,
>> have been battered in the courtroom - with opposing attorneys
>> simply questioning their credentials. *Everybody remembers
>> "quackbuster wanna-be" Robert S. Baratz's submission of false
>> employment claims in the Phillips case in Florida - so he could
>> be paid as an "expert witness."
>>
>> Attorneys all over North America learned a few simple lessons
>> from the Baratz incident - if a "quackbuster" comes to testify,
>> FIRST carefully examine their resume claims, then lead the
>> "testifier" through cross-examination right through those "false
>> resume claims" right into a PERJURY situation. *If they want to
>> lie in a courtroom - let them do it - then exact the penalty.
>>
>> But it isn't just about lying, or misrepresenting, in a
>> courtroom. *In Barrett's case, and others, attorneys are now
>> carefully examining Barrett's personal qualifications to testify
>> AT ALL. *After all, it must be remembered that Barrett, not only
>> couldn't become Board Certified as a Psychiatrist, but he had to
>> give up his medical license for reasons he doesn't satisfactorily
>> explain, in 1993. *The obvious premise here is - if he couldn't
>> make it in the SIMPLE world of "drug prescribing" how can he
>> claim to be an expert on COMPLEX "leading edge" health
>> disciplines?
>>
>> Attorneys, all over North America, have been asking just those
>> types of questions of Barrett, et al. *And Barrett doesn't have
>> satisfactory answers - ones that would satisfy Judges and juries.
>> Attorneys who previously counted on Barrett, et all, *to make
>> their case, have been finding out, the hard way, that Barrett
>> can't stand and deliver. *The message now is "If Barrett is your
>> 'expert witness' you are going to lose your case."
>>
>> The bottom line here, is that Barrett needed, what he thought
>> would be, a "slam dunk" to restore his previous reputation as an
>> "expert witness who can win cases." * He didn't get it. *In fact,
>> on Hill Street, he got the opposite.
>>
>> NOW, BARRETT'S GOT REAL PROBLEMS WITH HIS OWN PEOPLE...
>>
>> Barrett, and others, had touted this attack against the
>> Homeopaths, and others in California, as the quackbuster's return
>> to prominence in the field of Health Policy. *His plan fizzled
>> miserably. *Now, I think, Barrett has credibility issues with the
>> whole "quackbuster" membership.
>>
>> He simply can't deliver...
>>
>> Tim Bolen
>> JuriMed - Public Relations and Research Group
>> jurim...@yahoo.com
>> </quote>
>>
>> .
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.deathsect.com
>
>No, it not a lie. Tim Bolen, and IIena posted that.Try to keep up,
>long winded Yappy.

To say it is plain words: Janet Mae Drew is a swine.

Even if shown her very own words she denies having posted them.

This is the beginning of the header of HER post:

>> <quote>
>> Path:
>> g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!out03b.usenets erver.com!news.usenetserv*er.com!in04.usenetserver .com!news.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy. n*et!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodig y.com!postmaster.news.prodi*gy.com!newssvr12.news. prodigy.net.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail
>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
##############################################
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$[email protected]>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: Leonard Haimes MD *Reprimanded in Florida

Clear for all to see: This post was sent by Janet Mae Drew.

Janet Mae Drew is a criminal sociopath. There are THOUSANDS of pieces of proof
to show in court that Janet Mae Drew is a Net stalker, a nasty, mean, ugly
sociopath.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Fact: The pastor says, he does not know her. That is for sure...

FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia
================================================== ======================

Part V
======
19.4.2010

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
2. The history of Jan Drew
3. Where is Jan Drew?
4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
She erases her traces.

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
========================================

Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:

"Jan Drew" <[email protected]>

today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before.

The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one?

Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew:

<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <[email protected]>
From: "Jan Drew" <[email protected]>
*******************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,a lt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
References: <2Tv5m.13822$[email protected]>
<4a56c915$[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
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[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jul 13, 9:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
</quote>

The old Jan Drew posts from the IP

X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

The new Jan Drew with the email address

Jan Drew <[email protected]>

posts from this IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <[email protected]>
*************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
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X-Complaints-To: [email protected]
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Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting
again. You should be careful. Remember you
will be 64 in November of this year.
Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you
posted your birthday.

On Jul 15, 11:27*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to
> their ISP or email provider.
>
> She has now claimed that she has reported me.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's
> actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do
> something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints
> about her.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.google.c om!
> news.glorb.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!fl ph199.ffdc.sbc.com!
> prodigy.com!nlpi071.nbdc.sbc.com!flpi146.ffdc.sbc. com.POSTED!6c044f75!
> not-for-mail
> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> Newsgroups:alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,a lt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
> References: <2Tv5m.13822$[email protected]>
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.76.216.180
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net
> X-Trace: flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com 1247712809 ST000 68.76.216.180 (Wed, 15
> Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:01:45 -0400
>
> I suggest you read your terms of service
> At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com

You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years].
I happen to know you reported
me several days ago.
And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play?
</quote>

So we have:

From: Jan Drew <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)

but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up:

From: Jan Drew <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <[email protected]>
**********************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids. health
Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They
Stunt Growth
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
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On Jul 12, 7:01*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:48*am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
</quote>

This is the IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;

So we see that

Jan Drew <[email protected]>

also uses this IP from AOL:

<quote>
IP Information for 64.12.112.11

IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc
Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com
IP Address: 64.12.112.11
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****America*Online,*Inc.*
OrgID:******AMERIC-158
Address:****10600*Infantry*Ridge*Road
City:*******Manassas
StateProv:**VA
PostalCode:*20109
Country:****US
</quote>

AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. The history of Jan Drew
==========================

This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account.

#1. [email protected] (JDrew63929)
#2. "Jan Drew" <[email protected]>
#3. Jan Drew <[email protected]>

I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

[email protected] (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <[email protected]>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423

</quote>

As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often.

Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...5xS36mXc24h6ww

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Where is Jan Drew?
=====================

In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I
tried to find more about it.

This I now found with the word "bloomington":

http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html

<quote>
2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
</quote>

I also found this:

<quote>
LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew

Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY.
Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC.
Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL.
Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ...
***************************************
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html

LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper
Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ...
Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ...
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelist...an-harper.html
</quote>

Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana.

The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3)

gives for (see above!)

nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

this result:

<quote>
IP Information for 70.239.89.125
IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services
************************************************** ************

Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net
************************************************** *******
IP Address: 70.239.89.125
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****AT&T*Internet*Services*
OrgID:******SIS-80
Address:****2701*N.*Central*Expwy*#*2205.15
City:*******Richardson
StateProv:**TX
PostalCode:*75080
Country:****US
NetRange:***70.224.0.0*-*70.239.255.255*
CIDR:*******70.224.0.0/12*
NetName:****SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle:**NET-70-224-0-0-1
Parent:*****NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType:****Direct*Allocation
NameServer:*NS1.AMERITECH.NET
NameServer:*NS2.AMERITECH.NET
Comment:****
RegDate:****2005-03-22
Updated:****2007-05-25
OrgAbuseHandle:*ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:***Abuse*-*Southwestern*Bell*Internet*
OrgAbusePhone:**+1-800-648-1626
</quote>

Bloomington, Indiana.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
=========================================

Searching with

Jan Drew Blomington

one hit is this:

<quote>
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
misc.health.alternative

Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut
up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
******************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400

You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote:

Jan:

Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"
it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me
that are not truthful in nature.

I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the
group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are
laughing at you.

Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
amongst those that are "in the know."

I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would
appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic
mouth.

Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
vocabulary.

Got it? I hope so.

And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part
of my name.

Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer
reading.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:[email protected]...

> Jan:

Yes, Debbee?

OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp.
OrgID: NSCP
Address: 501 E. Middlefield
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US

NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255
CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18
NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR
NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM
NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1996-09-06
Updated: 2001-03-28

RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
RTechName: America Online, Inc.
RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net

> Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"

Oh, really?

*would appear*, why don't you just speak up?

> it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature.

I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******

> I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS,
and used the name Annie, then signed it B.

> I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
> have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you.
> Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
> amongst those that are "in the know."
> I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
> and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth.
> Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
> vocabulary.
> Got it? I hope so.
> And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name.

lol. I thought you said you were not Annie?

> Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading.

lol. Poor Debbee:

*I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
Get help.

Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post.
And......................
Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got
that?

Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history

From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008
X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008
01:21:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9]
Return-Path: <dbeesti...@aol.com>
Authentication-Results: mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=aol.com;
domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 207.115.36.36 (EHLO nlpi007.prodigy.net) (207.115.36.36) by
mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:21:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9]
Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by
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-0400 (EDT)
From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Message-ID: <d64.27777f10.358e1...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT
Subject: "Cease and Desist"
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June 21, 2008

This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and
libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about
untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names.

I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected
to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than
you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent.
The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on
Wireless. I am on dial-up.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to
California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust
me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that
you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have
libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer
posting there and there is no further need to discuss me.

Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just
because you don't happen to believe them, is libel.

And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the
group.

Thank you.

Deborah Annie Adams
--------------------------------------------

OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's

Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/8239d7e6a3...

Oct 27, 2007

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior
one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser.
Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this
message.

YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST
MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING
FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT.

On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html
> > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
> I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission.

------------------------------------

Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.

However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/948ed26ada...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a
living. Some of us have real lives."

>From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde:

Debbee A Adams (54)
San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA
http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/l...a-jeff-rfs.jpg

I am very happily RETIRED from working.
But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You
wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could
complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle,
chortle.

[Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a
living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people.
The best she could do with me was find a
reference to a store I previously owned.]

Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE?
Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to
pay the rent.

>From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a

lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and
the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any
knowledge of it however.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/536569d0bf...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> I know nothing of what you are speaking about.
> I'm not the editor of any publication.
> I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA
> There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube.
> Deb Adams is not even my real name.

So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days,
to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your
name???

---------------------------------------
On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even
> doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine.

Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!

I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your
business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your
reptilian handiwork!

You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:[email protected]...

> Jan Drew wrote:

>> lol. Poor Debbee:

>> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
>> Get help.

>> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And......................
>> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee.
>> Got that?

> It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior.
> Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute
> right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know.

> If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals.
> You are the one that needs help, not me.

> I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made.

> Thank you.

It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help.
You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you
proven you KNOW
there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on.

There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me.
Your words:

* Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not

give you the absolute
right to abuse others.*

And, just who would that be? Where did that come from?
It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about

So much for libel.
Now, either put up or shut up!

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google
</quote>

Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and
later.

What did Jan Drew write?:

<quote>
I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******
</quote>

That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only
followed this figure and archived material...

Jan Drew also wrote:

<quote>
Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.
However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.
</quote>

Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is...

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5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
===================================

Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many
things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to
prove that he/she is female.

Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details.

Like this one:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551
<quote>
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired
Bloomington, Indiana Area Research
Current
Owner at rtired
Connections

0 connections
Public Profile
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...mt.php?sto_uri
=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc 3Rv&start=24

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycit...mington/page/3
<quote>
Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana
==================================

Intelius
Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email]

Credit card not credited
Complaint Rating:
Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098.

$4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately.

Janet Drew
Reply to [email protected]...
***************************
</quote>

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
*****************

<quote>
Janet Drew
Reply to [email protected]...
</quote>

In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address

[email protected]

That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

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6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
=========================================

Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or
Janice?

Remember of of the search engine hits above?

<quote>
My daughter Jacque Nelson...
</quote>

Search engines love that... ;O)

And they dig out precious little details ... like this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father:
--- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311
| 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325
Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)
SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD:
12/21/1979]
SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin
Children
319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936)
324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
**********************************************
327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938)

Born: Monroe Cty., IN

Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920
(re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914.

Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84
May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001
ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at
his residence.
He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena
(Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a
retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom
area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent
Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War
II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the
Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and
finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of
military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
served in several
capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington
in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M.
Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois
University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist,
and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care
************************************************** ************************
Center;
*******
three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of
Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in
death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two
sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain.
Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at
Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8
p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial
contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni
Association.

Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN

Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of
Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a
similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane
Naval Station in construction of military facilities.

Employment/Professions: Farmer

Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School*
1934

Religion: Seventh-day Adventists
********************************

Documents:Obituary
Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001

Notes: From obituary.

THD 22124
</quote>

and this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F }
************************************************** *
Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]
Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)

Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** ********

SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson
SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones

Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew

SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small
Children
325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958)
326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960)
************************************************

Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001

Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy
Hays' notes.

THD 114382
</quote>

All the pieces fit together.

First, marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
</quote>

which makes the children have the family name Nelson.

The second marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
</quote>

makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of
Happy Day Care Center.

The details of that:

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html

<quote>
James William "Bill" Drew
**************************
M, #I4836, Born: [private]
Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916
Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995
Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana
Family:

Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private]
Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954
William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958
+ Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private]
James David Drew, Born: [private]
Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private]

Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private]
************************************************** *****
Last Updated: 05 March 2008
</quote>

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846
<quote>
Janet Mae Stidd
***************
F, #I4846, Born: [private]
Father:: ?
Mother:: ?
Birth: 16 March 1938
Family:

Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born:
************************************************** ****************
[private]
Last Updated: 14 May 2001
</quote>

One more detail:

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-s...earchform=name
<quote>
Janet M Drew
************
View Details
70 Bloomington, IN (3)
************************************
Spencer, IN (1)
Lutz, FL (1) James Drew
J B Drew
Jan Drew
Bill J Drew
</quote>

"70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic.

You remember the memorial?:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

Well, there is the counterpart:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...dson.htm#16768
<quote>
326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F }
***********************************************

Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** *****

Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
************************************************** ***
</quote>

Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

Jan Drew pestered the net:

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160
</quote>

Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE
advertising for the naturopathic mafia.

And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god.

TEN YEARS NOW.

And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continues
with here criminal behavior.

I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her to
stop. And now, there definitely is an end.

Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in
Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes!

In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the

Seventh Day Adventist Church
301 E Matlock Rd
Bloomington, IN
(812) 332-5025

In its gone web-site they have some strong words concerning their being so very
special:

http://web.archive.org/web/200312230...g/handbook.htm

<quote>
Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search

ACA Handbook Excerpts

Purpose

Aims & Objectives

Requirements for Admission

PURPOSE

In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational
opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason
for its existence.
Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and
************************************************** *********
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************

Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place
in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy .

The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian
education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course
of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to
do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man.
It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual
powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for
the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13.

Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this
earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all
the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained,
might furnish, how soon the message of a
crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole
world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the
training of its youth in this high responsibility.

Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education.
Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and
accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of
Seventh-Day Adventists.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

“And Jesus increased in wisdom¼”

Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits
of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills
and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning
that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world
to come.

“¼And Stature¼”

Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the
principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual
vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and
activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and
leisure time.

“¼And in favor with God¼”

Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for
Jesus Christ

who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in
the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and
reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten
Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life.

Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation
of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward
fortitude against evil and a sense of personal
responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws
that should govern individual conduct.

“¼And with man.” Luke 2:52

Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the
motivating power in the life of every member of the family.

Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for
recognized authority.

Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian
motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish
rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of
character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life.

REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION

Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic
origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally
accorded or made available to students. In administration of its
educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or
ethnic origin.

Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the
Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A.
However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold
the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to
live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after
consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement
with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their
student.

It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the
age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the
student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st.

Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the
first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file
at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing
an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to
one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or
sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special
needs.

Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly
filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval.

New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order
to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance
below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from
this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board.

Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following
admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a
current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued
monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for
the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal.
Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an
individual basis, subject to the previous
year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the
school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result
in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above.

If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student
needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or
attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such
examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner
(as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student
************************************************** ***************************
may be asked to withdraw from school.
************************************************** ***************************

Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about
this web site.
Last modified: December 18, 2003
</quote>

I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day
Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that

<quote>
"the unique standards and
************************************************** *****
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************
</quote>

Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have
some influence on her. Unless she already

<quote>
may be asked to withdraw from school.
</quote>

You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and
cruelty.

These are words by Jan Drew:

<quote>
Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!
</quote>

Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith
making complaints, etc,...

7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
================================================== =========
She erases her traces.
======================

Janet Mae Drew attacks others as being "wimps". But look at how she makes her
traces disappear. Do try out the links in the following "Part V" of the FAQ
about the notorious Net stalker Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Her pastor does not know her, that is for sure...

Looks like Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson spoiled the life of a huge part of the
family.

Neither here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/index_D.html#Drew

nor here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamil..._N.html#Nelson

her husbands are seen. Not only Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson was excluded from
the family, but also her 2 husbands and the children.

That erasure must have made some really impressive foot marks on the behinds of
a lot of people. ALL OF THEM are victims of Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson.

One can choose his friends, but one cannot choose his family...

This linked-in profile by her is gone:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551

But Google kept an eye on it:

<quote>
This is Google's cache of http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551. It
is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 15 Feb 2010 03:13:06 GMT. The
current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

Text-only version
These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: http www linkedin com
pub janet drew 9 302 551
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired

Bloomington, Indiana Area
Contact Janet Drew
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</quote>

Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, erases her trace.

Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is wimp. She is the shame of
the family. They erased her branches in the family genealogy tree. The do know,
why...

Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives
pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault.

She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she
gives.

To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of
yourself.

..

################################################## #################

FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
*********************************************

Updated, March, 23rd., 2004

Hello,

in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.

Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of
Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children.
This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from
believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who
claim : "I have done it. It works!"

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Aribert Deckers

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich

B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew"

C. Details
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
13. The "Jew boy" case
14. Jan Drew, the stalker
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
17. The foul language of Jan Drew
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
#######################

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
Message-ID: <k69l40p1f6tbg83kgca8efu2vqedkk2c88@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT

Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This
means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false
witness in order to achieve her objective.

Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who
disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any
means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster
is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a
poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may
just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized
medicine to discredit them.

Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either
psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in
her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to
understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan
Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears
not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to
demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so
instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against
the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject.

Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having
mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief
despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history
indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why
her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt
that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this
does not stop her shilling.

Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not
start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear
indication that she understands the importance of the temporal
relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping.
But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not
only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!!

Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false
witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote
alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete
lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie.
But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats
them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable.

Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do
with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against
conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the
negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW
post talking about anything positive about conventional medicine. She
is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against
conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about
CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda.

Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM
is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the
truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to
AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to
alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication
that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications
that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite.

Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to
get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an
attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name,
address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells
people not to do business with them. She posts the private information
of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them.

Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to
repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion
simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch
how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading
my post after lying about putting me in her kill file.

Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that
Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their
personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching
on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then
post it here to discredit them.

Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But
the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true
identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and
potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics
from expressing their opinions here.

Poster beware.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my
name/tactics. Just watch.

But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many
enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the
issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable.

PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the
above in it.
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew"
#####################################

Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to

a) have suffered,
b) then were saved,
c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment
XYZ...

Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has
happened to him can be proven wrong.

Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and
healings.

Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the
innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer"
scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used.

In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm
(bilingual)

I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of
the naturopath mafia :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available.)

Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of
many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives
if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia.

This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator
would be appreciated.)

AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud.
Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Now the text by Mr. Rich :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused?
Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp451uh3tc22fghdtppbv@4ax.com>
References:
<404b8888$0$305$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
<20040308022648.29802.00001024@mb-m21.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT

On 08 Mar 2004 07:26:48 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>
>I was treated for mercury poisoning from amalgams and I am alive and well. That
>is what is demonstrated here.

Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow
the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury
poisoning from amalgams.
Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died
from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams even though her history
suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note: Jan has accused
me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about
she remains silent).

The facts according to Jan Drew:

1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy

2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly
improved her symptoms

3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her
peripheral neuropathy

4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN

5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by
Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL
cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by
a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and
proper nutrition)

6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely
had mercury poisoning from the amalgams.

7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health
that resulted in her believing that she was going to die.

8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr.
Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist believes that
mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of
his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with
composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent.

>On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:
>
>>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for a cause for over a
>>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions the mercury problem. I
>>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr.
>>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very enlightening book. I had my
>>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back
>>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal pulled.
>>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you have a condition that
>>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth.
>>
>>Thanks Again,
>>
>>Jan

9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on
usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within
HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO
YEARS!!

>Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet
>
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>>Jan

10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two
years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the
amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was
clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to
her would not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?

11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the
amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to
regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a
complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she
had felt in two years, within hours of having some of the amalgams
removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above.

12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above
history.

13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her
refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults
and belittling.

AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of
her history.

Discussion (OPINION):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the
point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is
VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the
months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her
worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to
buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health
problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she
believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an
excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is
consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had
all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level
was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan
Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following:

1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without
specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things
including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents
to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to
belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten
Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with
respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from
Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing
this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to
NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to
listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
################################################

[naturopath mafia-based]
http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html
http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php
http://www.alternativemedicine.com/d.../i22-a12.shtml
http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/...lar/vitce.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinion...ion%20bill.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/livin...nts020910.html
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73
http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm
http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html
http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surg...rticles/63.htm
http://www.mercola.com
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net

[Scientology-based articles]
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200..._our_kids.html
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm

(List will be updated)

2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
################################################## ####

Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are
nothing but other masks of Mercola :

"Dave" <info@glowlife.com>
"Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com>
"Teacher" <princeofmen@hotmail.com>
"David" <medtools@earthlink.net>
"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
"Anth" <anon@anon.com>
"soft-eng" <softeng3456@netscape.net>
"mdd" <mdd@trip.net>
"RB" <flagflye1@superweb.ca>
"DEBBEE1023" <debbee1023@aol.comnojunk>
"Gymmy Bob" <NoThanx@spam.com>

This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !

Keep in mind these very true words :

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative :

<quote>
[...]
There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if
someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be
trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and
dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own
integrity.

And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the
posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only
reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability
in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are
frequently brought up to her.
</quote>

3. Cui bono ?
##############

A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections
to those who cash in the money.

Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But
Jan Drew does more than that !

A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively
demonstrates the background :

<quote>
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT
References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
Message-ID: <20030829161906.24569.00000144@mb-m16.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197

>Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>She does?
>Anth

>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in message

>> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up
>> true facts with naturopath nonsense and this way forces people to buy
>> quackery.
>>
>> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours!

Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.

I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I
have never forced people to do anything.

Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements

When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine,
Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
</quote>

Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text
:

<quote>
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different
researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his
comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review
the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for
************************************************** *********** +++
further information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan
</quote>

So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.

Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?

A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the
word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year".

We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" :
(Underlign marks made by me.)

<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT
References: <HGe1a.187148$HG.31994841@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity
Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-cf.aol.com>

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...limination.htm

Mercury

Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents

The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote
it nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet
and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the
Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001).
The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to
compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find
on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and
exactly what one should do, please review my mercury detoxification
protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most
**************
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>

Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by
Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt.

This article is "on mercury detoxification".

So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.

Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of
advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...

4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
###################################

In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words
and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.te le.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audre y-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 28
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT
References: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger
Message-ID: <20031117231348.14148.00000498@mb-m15.aol.com>

>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>

Happy is not playing with a full deck.

As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm

<snip>

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting
timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.

Took 16 seconds to find it.

I have posted it previously.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to
have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words.

Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.

One more example of forgery :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 24
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT
References: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls
Message-ID: <20040307003127.20278.00001024@mb-m27.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
>From: WB no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 3/6/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>>Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
>>Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
>>conventional medicine.
>
>
>Dude, please report to her ISP when she spams.
>
>
>--
>WB

Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10
http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
</quote>

By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as
if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting.

5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
################################################## #############

A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to
web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear
and hatred against scientific medicine.

Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".

In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really
contains :

<quote>
From: "Dr. Steve" <drsteve@I.give.up.on.the.spam.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <bdgqb.28460$Ec1.2621220@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-m05.aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question
Message-ID: <r9hqb.7825$P%1.6850723@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com >
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT

..
"Ja," <jdre.....29@aol.com> wrote in message
> >If jdrmmm,,,,29@aol.com (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the
source.
>
> I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider
the
> source and see the source of each website.
>
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in
Nepal.

> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on
people's fear of Hg poisoning.

> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental
links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th
evils of Hg in dentistry.

> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr.
Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then.

> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes
you will buy one his books too.

> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

A web site that just sells a book.

> http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?)
disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story.

> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again
disquised as a story.

> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.

> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

Another link to the Nepal dental office.

> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

Dr, Meining again.

> http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long

> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental
thinking.

> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

Guess what? A site to sell books.

> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

This guy is selling a special diet.

> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A
BOOK!!!!

Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts

PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting
program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of
Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your
health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health
in any way.
</quote>

6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
#################################

This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology.
Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an
advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed...

Example 1:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT
References: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
>From: Nomen Nescio nobody@dizum.com
>Date: 9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
>
>$cientology member

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</quote>

Example 2:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT
References: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
Message-ID: <20030921225158.18243.00001304@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
>From: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
>Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
>
>You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist

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</quote>

Example 3:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT
References: <3f6e3452.175598378@news.verizon.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports
of recent Scientology postings
Message-ID: <20030921225300.18243.00001305@mb-m06.aol.com>

> What is $cientology?

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</quote>

Example 4:
<quote>
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT
References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
Message-ID: <20031006012916.04714.00000519@mb-m17.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
>
>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON
>> FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>INTERNATIONAL
>
>A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now
>that's something you don't see every day.

Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.

Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.

You are an intolerant fascist bigot.
</quote>

So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !:
(Underligns with "*" by me.)

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT
References: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-m19.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
>
>ryubyss@yahoo.com (Ria) wrote:
>
>>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this
>>> is what she is replying to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are
>>> something which Jan feels require no comment.
>>
>>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's
>point.
>
>Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my
>religious beliefs and suggests that I am directly instructed by Satan.

Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John
delights in seeing kids die.

>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
************************************************** *******************

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
************************************************** *******************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
************************************************** *******************

>If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine

It does indeed.

> then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical
opinions.

Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some
reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an
excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing.

> Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases,
>>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by
>>> pointing out the lies of people who oppose vaccination.
>>

That would be a opinion.

>>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic.

<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>

Repeatedly.

Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting
others down.

Jan
</quote>

The crucial part :

<quote>
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
</quote>

So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend
against all proof.

Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?

Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.

7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
#################################

In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a
known criminal charlatan.

The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT
References: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
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>Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
>From: "f®Èé RådicaL" ojw3@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
>
>Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
>it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.
>
>I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
>Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
>awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
>later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
>point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
>zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
>hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
>duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
>numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
>alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
>the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.
>
>I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
>on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
>fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
>time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
>the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
>antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
>zapper seems to break very quickly.
>
>Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
>anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
>build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
>I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
>products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.

As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are
outrageous lies. The FTC states in

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm

<quote>
DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT

13. Section*5(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or
practices in or affecting commerce. Section*12(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C.
§*52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting
commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase
of food , drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have
engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper
Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite
Cleanse).

14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not
limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph*12, above, and through
the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com"
defendants have represented expressly or by implication that:

a.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
viruses and parasites in the human body;
*
b.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic
infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);
*
c.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite
Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
d.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is
effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
e.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured
numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;
*
f.**The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;
*
g.**The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at
specific points in the human body.
*
h.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;
*
i.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma
and many other diseases.
*
j.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and
Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make
surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that
substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph*14, above, at the time
the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set
forth in Paragraph*14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for
a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §§*45(a), 52 and
55.

CONSUMER INJURY

16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout
the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and
possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched
as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court,
the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust
enrichment and harm the public interest.

THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF

17. Section*13(b) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*53(b), authorizes this Court to
grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress,
disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any
provision of law enforced by the Commission.
</quote>

The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.

Here a detail, found in
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cer/clark.html :

<quote>
The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and
thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:

Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor
of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated
that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable
evidence" to support her claims [19].
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...f/primack.html

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor
Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer
and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is
limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent
an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and
her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does
not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental
parasitological principles." [20]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ff/pappas.html

Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that,
"No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any
physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure
cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can
eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../pizzorno.html
</quote>

As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was
sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in
his posting claims to work.

So, for all clear to see :

Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
************************************************** ****************
lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
*********************************************

Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes
for Hulda Clark products :

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT
References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
Message-ID: <20031228145116.15319.00001622@mb-m12.aol.com>

>Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth?
>I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and it will thin the
>enamel down.
>There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are
>expensive and cumbersome.
>Thanks
>Anth

I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark)
works great.

http://www.DrClarkStore.com

Jan
</quote>

This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan
Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark :

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT
References: <1b2a5a9f.0403021148.8b4425f@posting.google.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com>

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan
</quote>

And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying :

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT
References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302235051.02894.00000792@mb-m15.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: anth and the flush
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/2/2004 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
>I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary.
>Did you take the Ornithine?
>Anth

YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse
won't be as successful.

Jan

>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
>>
>> I have done this several times, it works.
>>
>> Jan
</quote>

What does Jan Drew claim ?:

<quote>
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well
the cleanse won't be as successful.
</quote>

That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a
criminal deed.

Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not
advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical
claims.

Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud.

Here you can read how to complain about health fraud :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################

In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the
"$KaChing"...

<quote>
From: "Rich Shewmaker" <rich@ilhawaii.net>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: $KaChing is Working!!
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000
Message-ID: <pNScnaQ7epSuaueiXTWJhg@ilhawaii.net>

Quackwatch Ratbags

July $100* $70
August 38 20
September 28 10

*donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132

For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I
proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR.
Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming
annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of
speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so
punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of
Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild
punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement
that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently
meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I
added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic
death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never
understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned
the guilt.

Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even
got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch
donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine"
for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.

See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are
participating.
</quote>

9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################

Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull.
Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew,
oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his
critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows
his real face...:

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueb erl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyc ny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news. aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling
Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-m06.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036

Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the
debunkers lie.

Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a
human being.

Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct
others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's
ass.

Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.

David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.

DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.

Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.

Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to
make retractions, another lackey for Barrett.

Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.

[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years], all of the above.

WB and Dickinson both trolls.

Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's
head off.

Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.

A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.

Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths
mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine.

That's a FACT, Jack.
</quote>

Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would
you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?

10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################

Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest
fighters against dental amalgam.

Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is
the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in
large scale.

Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.

Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like
Jan Drew :

<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu
veröffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.

Aribert Deckers

************************************************** ************************
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message
quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long
silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just
incredible.

I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.

I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was
involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were
rather too expensive for me.

I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?

I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film
plastic containers.

I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to
charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to
choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my
expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.

I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our
organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when
and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in
that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.

Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when
taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.

I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though
I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the
lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a
stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not,
because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and
she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong
headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed
grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night
because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without
much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are
not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not
bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is
a subject for yet another long horror story.

We just live in hell on Earth.

We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.

I'll better finish here.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes

[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage dürfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>

People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like
this ill man.

Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.

11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################

In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism
:

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!)
Message-ID: <i4d3rv4dtdbha0h08phoobcgrvl7mosi27@4ax.com>
References: <E26sb.7041$aT.3016@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
<20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-m15.aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT

On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Sadly, his enablers will be right along.
>
>It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in:

Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The
following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read
the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read
the lowest of lows:

Debbee1023 says:
>>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid
>>to
>>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which
>>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I understand there
>>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the medical field,
>>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers,
>>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of
>>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all true about
>>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was right long
>time ago.
>
>>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's
>>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning
>>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the cities that were
>>chosen.
>>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
>>hijacked...it
>>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
>>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead
>>of
>>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep
>>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the
>>score."
>

Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:

>Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.
>
>Jan

So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to
exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan
Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.

What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone
who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on
judgment day.

Aloha,

Rich
>

------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE261.D2CEF893@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews
in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the
past year. I put line breaks between comments made
in different postings, and in some cases removed line
breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting.
In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid
line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>

And some more :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE267.AA17E28B@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's other hatreds
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about
Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made
in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line
breaks between comments made in different postings,
and in some cases removed line breaks when lines
appeared together in the same posting. In some
cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line
wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------

Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.

He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude
(rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.

------- Jan speaking about atheists -------

Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.

The reason you are an atheist is because Satan
has convinced you.

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group)
with the exception of IIena, they have proven
themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover
for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and
need to have an argument going, thinking they
can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is
said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but
belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists
or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----

Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew.
Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*.

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

They are here because they are both frustrated.
Both are rather queer.

Notice how none of the debunkers have
anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's
*queer* statements?

Me thinks you are acting very queer.

That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar,
despicable hate filled *queer* person.

Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's
lies or his professional manner.
They are both rather queer.

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Making up queer stories Eric???????

And woo woo.
And Queer.
</quote>

Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty
Message-ID: <20040220213242.12315.00000073@mb-m02.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>Date: 2/20/2004 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1b2a5a9f.0402201712.4fff69d1@posting.google.com >
>
>healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote in message
>news:<866cef19.0402200714.6189051f@posting.google .com>...
>> jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<20040219153549.08803.00000010@mb-m13.aol.com>...
>> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>> > >From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>> > >Date: 2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>> > >They debunked all his words and works,
>> > >and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them. That is how Satan works."
>> > >
>> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
>> > >for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
>> > >involved."
>> > >
>> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan."
>> >
>> > Those are not words of hate.
>>
>> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the
>> statements she made above are okay.

It is always OK to post the truth.

>Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.

True

>They debunked all his words and works,

True

>>and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them.

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.

>That is how Satan works."

True

>It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust.

They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.

When noone here was in any way >involved."

True

>"IMHO they are led by Satan."

He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.

> Those are not words of hate.

That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.

>When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are
>second nature to them", the effect is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion
>and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group.

They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They
lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when
asked, because they make things up.

>Even without insisting that it is "factual".

I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.

>And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that
>"lying" trait, in something that happened 2000 years ago.

Not the issue..

>And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'.

Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.

All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own
words.

Since you are new here,, you have no clue.

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew says :
<quote>
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
</quote>

And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic
psyche into the internet...

One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Pathetic
Message-ID: <20040221204234.20451.00000208@mb-m28.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: Orac orac@mac.com
>Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <orac-EF62C6.18565521022004@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>In article <fjpf3019geh3dlnbrcnir4vr9bdqroq36h@4ax.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
>> >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
>> >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
>> >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
>> >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
statements.

Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

>>
>> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
>> alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
>> without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
>> rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
>> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
>> against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
>> return of the genocides of the past.

Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
life!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

The truth is:

Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

>I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation
is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic
>comments.

You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
people.

However, I agree that
it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
of them.

This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
stand the truth.

You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
and over. He even lies about his name.

False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
how statements were read.

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Example:

Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
>> Holocaust
>
>No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

>You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic
disgusting bigot.

*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

Further more what I said was:

I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

Then she blames Jews
> of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
> years ago.
>
>That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of
his
>claim.

Bull**** you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

>es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>They debunked all his words and works,
>and now debunking and lies are second
>nature to them. That is how Satan works.

NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
>
>Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

>It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
>with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
>with hate.

True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

It iis very transparent and pathetic.

Jan
</quote>

These are Jan Drew's exact words :

<quote>
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
</quote>

Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.suppor t.breast-implant
Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
Message-ID: <iuv_b.63$Xv2.5@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040223173759.20223.00000246@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >From: "[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]-February 23, 2004"
>
> >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
>
> OT.
>
> >
> >"Andrew Langer"
>
> >People like Jan Drew
>
> > if they weren't
>
> > they weren't courageous
>
> >who would have
>
> >Jan Drew would not
>
> ZZzz

So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver
did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism
and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory
betrays her.

"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."

"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Start with Matt: 27 "

"Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters."

"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng."

"That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other."

"The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan."

"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."

"I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."

"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes."

"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works."

"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."

"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate."

"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved."
</quote>

12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
#################################

Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles,
defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of
being Satan's ... well, whatever...

The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia :

<quote>
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Lines: 63
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson
Message-ID: <20040315160305.06673.00001564@mb-m25.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:344236

Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got
caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't
post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.???

The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan.

He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy
obssession.

Now for the truth.

Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
</quote>

13. The "Jew boy" case
#######################

Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks,
calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent"
archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days.
I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled,
but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.

So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found
with Google :

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT
References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-cp.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>
>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>
>>
>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>
><Snip>
>
>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>see
>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777

Jan
</quote>

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT
References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-fe.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>>>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>>>
>>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>>>
>>><Snip>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>>>see
>>>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>>>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.
>>
>>Please stay clear of
>>
>>Southern Acupuncture Inc.
>>
>> I.L.S.A.
>>
>>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
>>
>>Wilmington, NC
>>
>>910-799-5777
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments.

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777
</quote>

14. Jan Drew, the stalker
#########################

The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts :

- to seed hatred against scientific medicine

- to make people believe that naturopath stuff works

- to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged
band-waggon of naturopathy

- seed fear

- to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites

But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal
with critic ?

Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan
Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this
FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like :

- Jan Drew does not answer.

- Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people.

- Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion.

- Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not
have seen their critic.

Mr. [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] has blown that foul
defence to pieces by using
new names and email addresses every other day.

- Jan Drew insults.

- Jan Drew lies.

- Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he
criticises that

"Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family"

the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan
Drew :

On 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

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I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's
obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to
demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new
as he has a long pattern of the same with others.
Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and
Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich
believes Jan has PN but not MP.

So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I
would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession.

Wonder why he lies about his name?

Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions?

Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a
nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that)

Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads
nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally.
Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He
must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he
must settle for just watching.

I caution people not to trust the
perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has
used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their
medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while
he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill
and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by
using their husband.

I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close
relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him.
Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive
to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem,

The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his
psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even
consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child.

So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to
deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he
transferees them to others.

So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing
others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked
out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with
others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes.
His seems to be incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the
failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP.

Wonder why he nuked his posts??

Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about
whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he
still yacking about it three years later??

Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life??

Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen
to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED
at running her off, like he did so many.

Jan

PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting
out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing
to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage.
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

..
</quote>

Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you
the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew.

Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the
victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and
claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker.

You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan
Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together...

Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 +
1 together...

15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
########################################

These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew
insults other participants in the news-groups :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
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>Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 2/20/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>You are walking lie
>http://www.medford.co.za/articles/Am...ry%20detox.doc
>Anth
>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in

Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose.

Jan
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16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
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Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion.

(I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that,
by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.)

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
Message-ID: <npscrvgnq2sd0ojuk6qkrcthcplg1hj4fq@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT

As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew
who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning
secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams
saved her life.

But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to
deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she
actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness
(peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying
obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in
Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to
psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated
the mercury poisoning).

Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER OWN WORDS that the reason she went from
thinking that she was dying of mercury poisoning one day and feeling
better than she had the next day within hours of having some amalgams
removed was completely due to relief. Now I will allow Jan Drew to
tell you her in own words that her improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet

[QUOTE, mounted]
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>
>>Jan

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=199...&output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Any comments on this explanation for allergy? (yes, of course

Date: 1999/06/18
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>Hi Zugumba,
>
>You wrote:
>>Actually, Joel is perfectly correct as far as things go in the US.
>
>You think he never sent a patient with a cold home to avoid catching it?
>
>>dentist can lose his license for treating a systemic illness
>
>What is really a systemic illness. Is that a disease that hits all systems
>in the body or ' just ' a local condition with systemic (general) symptoms?
>Or even one, or a few, distant symptoms? What is it really?
>
>In most cases it is the latter. And as dentists, even in the States, we
>cannot avoid affecting the body conditons when treating mouth conditions.
>The mouth IS a part of the body. And in many cases also the body's mirror.
>
>>If Joel determined that a patient was suffering from a migraine and not a
>>dental abscess, his job stops there. He then is obligated to refer the
>>patient to a neurologist.
>
>Okay, Let's say it is rather diffuse oro-facial pain. What would you do?
>
>>Similarly, removing amalgam restorations to treat a systemic illness
>>(like multiple sclerosis) is considering treating an illness out of the
>>scope of dental practice.
>
>What you really are talking about is indications. Id est; for what purpose
>the dental treatment is performed. Sofar teeth are treated for the reason
>of teeth, yes. One day (and it is emerging) dentists will learn that what
>they do to one part of the body may effect other parts. I am not saying
>that dental amalgam is the sole cause of MS. There are far closer relations
>between classical systemic diseases and dental treatment, for exaple;
>an aggrevated heart condition due to dental treatment, increased arterio-
>sclerotic plaque formation, etc (not to mention all the iatrogenous TMJ:s)
>
>>After a certain point the patient has to be turned over to the correct
>>medical practitioners to finish the job or to follow-up.
>
>That's a pretty obvious statement. Anyone would agree with that. And
>it doesn't disprove what I wrote.
>
>>True, the line can be fuzzy, but most of the time it is pretty
>>clear what range of ailments a dentist in the US can treat
>
>Submandibular lymphatic adenitis? May a dentist treat that - or not? In US?
>
>Hans

I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.

If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
care of you.

He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
covered up this problem.

So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
from all over to get the work done.

I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
mercury out and the root canal pulled.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

And now the admission that this improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words:

[QUOTE, mounted]
>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.

>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=200...&output=gplain

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Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:24:15 GMT
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>From: Rich {.}
>Date: 12/29/00 10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <valq4t089d9uqv0ugfnmc1g1omkk3r4nc6@4ax.com>
>

Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.

Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
That makes one FEEL BETTER.

What's so hard to understand?

I also reported I had only begun, now on to chelating the mercury from my body.
With mercury poisoning, it comes and goes, I had some pretty bad spells. I'm
still chelating Rich and will be for some time. I slowly am regaining my health
and my PN is much better. I don't have the painful periods that I once had, and
yes it was after I started taking medication.

You added a few words to what I said which *implied* that I was physicially
free from pain..........as in BANG I'm home free. That is NOT what I
meant.............and you know it.

Now do you better understand? I hope so because I feel no need to explain it
AGAIN. Please respect that I didn't have to explain AGAIN this time.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

All the work was done??? A lie. The work was not completed until weeks
later. Jan Drew even posted that her dental work was not done until
July 11, 1999.

And now for more lies. Jan Drew told two egregious lies that were told
solely to deceive people into thinking that she really had mercury
poisoning.

The first is on June 26 ,1999 just a week after she had eight amalgams
removed. She claimed that ALL her feet pain went away and she was able
to go out line dancing because she was no longer getting a daily dose
of mercury. This is a complete lie and Jan knew it. On June 26, 1999
Jan still had more amalgams to be removed and they would not be
removed until July 11, 1999 by Jan's own admission. You see Jan has
difficulty keeping her lies straight.

But let us have Jan Drew tell us in her own words:

[QUOTE, mounted]
>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:

>> >AF says
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.

>>You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
>>that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
>>it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
>>about it.

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=199...&output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Chronic constipation
Date: 1999/06/26
Message-ID: <19990626122727.19238.00001294@ng-fl1.aol.com>#1/1
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906261113290.23596-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:
>> >
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells
you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.

You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
about it.

>As a country musician, somehow I knew you were a line dancer. And
>that, combined with your recent attempt to smear Texas and Texans,
>explains a lot.
>
>
>AF

It does? My recent attemp to smear Texans? Now, please tell me, do you believe
that people who like line dancing are stupid? Please explain your remark. You
are a country musician, you can't see people truly enjoying themselves while
line dancing? It was the first time I have been in a long, long time. I do not
even know how, I have watched, but my feet stopped me from learning. I was so
thankful to be back and tried a few lessons, THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt! I
felt alive again. What a blessing!

Just as I thought that I knew you, you have really thrown me here. Please
explain.

Jan
[/QUOTE]

Nothing psychosomatic about it?!!?!?!?!?!?!? It was completely
psychosomatic. Jan Drew's mercury level at the time she made this
statement was the highest in her life since she had eight amalgams
removed over a two day period only a week before.

The second lie is when she posted to sci.med.dentisty that the reason
she knows that it was the mercury in her mouth that caused her health
problems was because she did not *begin* to regain her health until
*after* the mercury level dropped. Not only is this a complete lie and
Jan knows it but the complete opposite is true.

Jan Drew began to regain her health when her mercury level was the
highest in her entire life. That is right. When Jan Drew reported
dramatic improvement in her health (ie better than she felt in two
years, and being able to line dance due to all the pain gone) her
mercury level had not dropped and was likely the highest in her life
because this improvement occurred from hours to a week after her
amalgams were removed.

The reason that alternative dentists recommend slow removal of
amalgams (some as posted by Jan Drew suggest removing no more than one
amalgam every three months) is because the removal of the amalgams
results in vaporization of mercury which even with perfect protocol
will result in absorption into the body of large amounts of mercury.

So on June 18 and 19, 1999 Jan had eight amalgams removed. On June 19,
1999 Jan said she felt better than she had in two years.

On June 26, 1999 Jan said that she was able to go out line dancing
because all her foot pain was gone. Of course the pain only was gone
for a short time because it was likely a placebo effect due to her
RELIEF that the mercury was coming out of her mouth. Just like she
felt better than she did in two years due to relief (by her OWN
admission) she was able to go out line dancing a week later when the
absorption of mercury into her tissues from blood likely resulted in
the highest level in her life.

But Jan said that she knows it was the metal in her mouth because she
did not BEGIN to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level
dropped. A complete lie and the pathologic liar Jan Drew knows it.
This is why she kill filed me. This is why she lies about me being a
liar and a stalker. Jan Drew knows that I exposed her lies and she
refuses to admit it. She is a despicable human being whose sole
purpose in life is to shill for alternative dentists and to perpetuate
the lie that she had mercury poisoning from amalgams. She did not and
the proof is in her own words.

Jan Drew will not respond to any of the points in this post. Instead
she will pretend she is not reading them and then personally attack me
in order to discredit me. Just watch.

That's a wrap.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

17. The foul language of Jan Drew
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On 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Date: 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Obsessed Nut Case Liar Aribert Deckers
Message-ID: <20031106184508.23201.00000316@mb-m20.aol.com>
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>Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031106
>From: chuckmsrd@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
>Date: 11/6/2003 8:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20031106115835.10454.00000314@mb-m10.aol.com>
>
>>2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
>
>>"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
>
>Wrong, and Aribert is an obsessed nut job.
>
>Chuck

True. There is no Jan Drew scam. There is no advertising from me.

Neither do I know Chuck other than by his posts here.

Jan
</quote>

On 04 Nov 2003 02:34:29 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

> The websites I post are written by DDS's MD's Ph.D researchers, people with
>actual experience, and law makers.

Jan Drew admits to post material into the net.
**********************************************

This way Jan Drew is advertizing. Jan Drew just does not call it
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial does not make the advertizing no
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial shows his pathologic character.

Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his
words are rhetoric warfare.

Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew persuades people to go to
charlatans and quacks.

18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
#################################

As you have seen above, Jan Drew DOES advertize by posting material which is
CONTRA scientific medicine and PRO naturopath mafia stuff. In the following
posting by Nana Weedkiller you see the relevant points clearly :

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
References: <Xns9452B413152Febohlmanomsdevcom@130.133.1.4>
<20031215184729.09506.00000928@mb-m17.aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re Complementary Medicine Grows By Leaps & Bounds
Message-ID: <osuDb.1097$I6.177@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:53:08 GMT

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message

> >>
> >> That's never been an issue, at least not with me. The goal is for both
> >> to work together.
> >
> >You have on several occasions specifically stated that people are turning
> >*away* from conventional medicine and using alternative medicine *in
place
> >of* it.
>
> Please do copy and paste the proof of this claim.

I thought I might help you out a little to remind you of what
you've stated. No need to thank me.

Message-ID: <20010622175838.08906.00000460@ng-fs1.aol.com>

"...when one has exhausted the
conventional route and found no answers, they turn to alternative medicine.
Many have found the answer been treated and are regaining their health. It's
called RESULTS."

Message-ID: <20021206010259.28350.00000264@mb-ca.aol.com>

"Or one can turn to alternative medicine and find an answer,,,,,,,,,,,,and
that
is WHY one half of people are turning to alternative medicine."

Message-ID: <20020728040519.09915.00000985@mb-bg.aol.com>

"ONE of the MAIN reasons people turn to alternative medicine, is because
conv. medicine HAS NO ANSWERS,,,,,,,,,,,,"

Message-ID: <20030310231017.10081.00000143@mb-mp.aol.com>

"Defects of conventional medicine are just one more reason to turn to
alternative medicine, and stay OUT of hospitals."

Message-ID: <20030801013939.10372.00000735@mb-m05.aol.com>

"Furthmore, have you any clue as to WHY people are turning to alternative??

BECASE THEY ARE DISSATIFIED WITH CONVENTIONAL MEDIC!NE!!!"

Message-ID: <20001229193651.11785.00004861@ng-mm1.aol.com>

"When conv. has no answers, it's time to turn to
alternative. Many are finding answers and treatment that is working."

Message-ID: <20010108163856.21738.00000544@ng-cp1.aol.com>

"And many times they get NO diagnoses because it isn't in the recipe book.
Many
people turn to alternative because conv. has no answers."

Message-ID: <20020603161723.11851.00002263@mb-fs.aol.com>

"Their *real* doctor? The reason most people are turning to AM is because
their
conv. doctor has NO answers, because REAL conditions are being denied."

Message-ID: <20030209211437.06772.00000577@mb-cv.aol.com>

"In many cases conv. medicine has no answers, that's because many *real*
diseases are denied.

People tuurn to alternative to get to the *root* of the problem."

Message-ID: <20031124001253.17304.00000775@mb-m19.aol.com>

"You will find that most people are turning to alternative because
conventional
medicine has no answers."
</quote>

The naturopath mafiosi always invite the scientific medicine to cooperate with
them. But the naturopath mafia seeds hatred against scientific medicine
whereever possible.

There will NEVER be any kind of cooperation, as it is the naturopath mafia which
wants to rule the world ALONE, and may it cost the life of all patients.

19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew
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On 11 Oct 2003 05:35:32 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>This is truly evil.
>
>Jan

This is a report from WHO in 1997 :

http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-...MCI/fs_180.htm
<quote>
"Measles

The problem: Despite the major impact made on this disease by successful
immunization programmes, measles infects over 40 million children and kills
over 800,000 under-fives each year. That translates to 2,000 deaths of young
children every day from measles, often in association with diarrhoea and
pneumonia.
IMCI solution: Young children with measles often develop acute respiratory
infections, diarrhoea and malnutrition, and children who survive measles are
more vulnerable to other dangerous infections for several months afterwards.
Trained health workers learn to recognize the complications of measles that they
can treat and those that need rapid referral for more specialized treatment."
</quote>

What is more evil than to kill children ?

Children die. They die because they have not been vaccinated. They die because
of infections which they could have survived if they had been vaccinated.

And Jan Drew persuades people NOT to have their children vaccinated...

Jan Drew denies that he is against vaccination, but here are pieces of proof :

[long, but with reason not abridged]

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You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
after" at the end...

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020919230404.24287.00000182@mb-mc.aol.com...

> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.

??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
have these guys been??

The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
"Vaccination Liberation"

Their mission is:

Mission Statement:
To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
To preserve our right to abstain
To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

Perhaps they should add...to return us to the dark ages when millions died
from illneses that are now unheard of. I hear they want to bring back the
use of trephining as well! Sounds like a real forward thinking group!

next

T
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>You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
>after" at the end...

Always a smart remark of diversion.

http://proliberty.com/observer/20020608.htm

>> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
>> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.
>

>??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
>sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
>have these guys been??

No, you are wrong. The normal 24 hour urine test will not show mercury deeply
embedded in tissue.

>The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
>"Vaccination Liberation"

So???

>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

A very good mission.

Interest in eliminating all forms of mercury.

From the June 2002 Idaho Observer:
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Mercury Amalgams:

Do you still have a mouth full of them?

by Ingri Cassel

After two of my dear friends were plagued with health problems that were only
minimized by natural healing programs, it was discovered that they were both
suffering from acute systemic mercury poisoning and the main source of this
insidious poison was in their mouth.

Both of these women have a mouthful of aging mercury amalgams. It has been
shown that mercury is continually released from mercury dental fillings in the
form of mercury vapor and abraded particles.

This process is further stimulated and can be increased as much as 15-fold by
simply chewing, brushing teeth, hot drinks and even swishing your mouth with a
solution of hydrogen peroxide (used to reduce dental plaque.)

What we have been lead to believe are â€œsilverâ€? dental amalgams actually
contain 48-55 percent mercury, 33-35 percent silver and various amounts of
copper, tin, zinc and other metals. For decades the American Dental Association
has steadfastly maintained that the mercury in dental amalgams is bound to the
other metals in such a way that the mercury could not possibly escape.

However the ADA's assumption was proven wrong in 1985 when two researchers
demonstrated that the air inside a mercury amalgam filled mouth continually
contained elemental mercury vapor, and the dynamic of chewing increased this
vapor level substantially.

Mercury is extremely poisonous, accumulating over time in the various tissues
of the body, particularly the brain and kidneys. Published research from two
scientists at Utah State University shows that mercury is more toxic than lead,
cadmium and even arsenic. Even world regulatory agencies such as the World
Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the smallest amount of mercury that
will not cause damage is unknown.

In fact, the WHO recently concluded that the daily intake of mercury from
amalgam dental fillings exceeded the combined daily intake of mercury derived
from air, water and food (including fish).

In human autopsy studies it has been found that there is a direct correlation
between the amount of mercury found in the brain and the number and surfaces of
mercury fillings in the mouth. Recent scientific research has shown high levels
of mercury in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims. Furthermore,
laboratory studies of spinal fluid from both Lou Gehrig's disease and
Alzheimers's disease patients have confirmed the presence of high levels of
mercury that inhibit key brain detoxification systems.

Despite these findings, the American Dental Association and various agencies in
the U.S. government still support the use of mercury amalgam dental fillings.
They claim that they are safe based on 150 years of use and that there is no
scientific proof showing mercury exposure from dental fillings causes any known
disease.

â€œIn 1988 scrap dental amalgam was declared a hazardous waste material by the
Environmental Protection Agency... Once a doctor removes an amalgam and places
it in a tray, it once again becomes a hazardous waste material. I ask the
reader -- what is it about the mouth that makes this same item non-toxic? Or is
it possible that the mouths of some 80 percent of Americans with amalgam
fillings are in actuality toxic waste dumps?â€? ~Sandra Denton, M.D., from The
Mercury Cover-Up in the June, 1989 edition of Health Consciousness magazine.

This well referenced article also brings up the fact that dentists have the
highest suicide and divorce rate among professionals. And dental personnel have
a higher spontaneous abortion rate, a higher incidence of premature labor and
infertility, and an elevated incidence of perinatal mortality. But how do we
know this is due to the constant low levels of mercury to which they are
exposed?

This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack
of adequate diagnosis and testing available. Symptoms may vary due to
biochemical individuality. There are also different degrees of intoxication
from the same amount of mercury levels.

â€œMaryâ€? had such high levels of mercury in her system that our dentist, Dr.
Armand DeFelice, told her that he had never seen such high levels of mercury in
a person that didn't have multiple sclerosis or some other debilitating
auto-immune disorder.

Some of the more common symptoms of mercury toxicity are anemia, anorexia,
chronically low body temperature, bronchitis, colitis, high blood pressure, low
blood sugar, irritability, fatigue, gingivitis, mouth sores, bleeding gums,
headaches, visual changes, insomnia, depression, stomach pains, allergic
reactions, joint pains, trembling and loss of appetite.

The problem is that most people have several of these health problems and would
not necessarily connect it to mercury poisoning. But with at least 85 percent
of the American population having mercury amalgams in their mouth, and most of
these having at least 10 mercury amalgam fillings, the mercury link to
ill-health becomes that much more obvious.

Another reason for concern is that for the past 20 years, the most popular
mercury filling has been the â€œhigh copperâ€? amalgam that boasts 30 percent
copper. Scientific studies have proven that the new high copper fillings
release mercury (and copper) at a rate 50 times faster than the pre-1980
amalgams.

With all the media stories out now on the pervasiveness of mercury in our
environment, it is imperative that we look into our mouths since our fillings
will likely be the main source of our own mercury toxicity.

What is even more convincing is the stories of people who have had their
amalgams replaced with a more biocompatible composite. Chronic health problems
disappear and many claim there is a new level of clarity in their thinking that
they hadn't had.

But the system for removing and replacing amalgams is not a simple one. Often
the plastic composite materials used to replace the filling is nearly as toxic
to a chemically sensitive person as the mercury amalgam was.

According to Dr. DeFelice, there are over 150 different non-mercury composites
to choose from with only a fraction of them being biocompatible.

Also, the order in which the old fillings are removed is another aspect that
can create more hazards than health benefits initially. For some reason,
accepted but not totally clear, your body responds to the removal of the
fillings according to electrical charge.

Fillings are like little batteries and they generate electrical current. Some
teeth will read positive, and some negative when touched with an ammeter.
Evidently, whether the filling is pushing electrons from the filling up into
your brain, or pushing protons, it affects the body's own electrical system
when these are removed.

These are only two of the many reasons to go to a dentist who is thoroughly
trained in the art of amalgam removal. But what I consider the most important
reason to go to such a skilled dentist is the fact that they are clearly
dedicated to helping people get well through their profession.

Now that you know the deadly effects of mercury fillings and fluoride, deadly
substances that are backed by the American Dental Association, why trust and
support a dentist who uses these poisonous substances in his practice?

In a world of many options and choices, it is high time we make our choices
conscious ones.
</quote>

Says Jan Drew :

<quote>
>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

A very good mission.
********************
</quote>

The underlign "***" in the following pieces of proof is by me :

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http://www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_teleconference.htm

The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them

Vaccines can harm, and in some cases, even kill. And at school,
vaccine requirements for admission are a serious problem that many of you,
whether parents of preschool to college students, or a college student yourself,
will face.

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" is a
professionally recorded 90-minute audio tape of an important
teleconference that I hosted on 8/24/02. The tape features a conversation
between renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and me in the first hour,
with select questions from over 600 conference participants in the second
half-hour. The tape will help you:

Discover simple, practical steps you can take to legally avoid
dangerous immunizations
Learn the difference between philosophical, religious and medical exemptions
Understand why most medical exemptions will not stand up in court
Learn pracitcal methods of improving your child's immunity so they
won't get the diseases the vaccinesare supposed to, but frequently don't,
prevent
Health care practitioners and others with a professional interest in health will
also find this tape invaluable, as your patients will benefit from this
information and you will learn the serious legal dangers you risk if you falsify
a medical exemption.

The damage vaccines inflict on individuals and society far outweighs
************************************************** *******************
any potential benefit they may claim. This is not unverifiable hype
*************************************
from the fringes. Indisputable facts support this claim. Countless
firsthand stories testify to the pain, damage and death vaccines have
caused; a powerful story from a Mother who lost her baby to routine
vaccination that is currently circulating the Internet is but one
example.

But your government, under the thumb of a traditional medical system
grown fat on extreme drug profits, refuses to expose this epidemic. They would
still have you believe vaccinations are good. They would still have you believe
vaccines for your child are "mandatory."

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" finally
dispels the myths and helps you :

Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your
************************************************** ***************
child's body
************
Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding
vaccines
Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against
disease safely - and for life
Crucial Vaccine Insight from the Worldâ€™s Leading Authority

Most of the 150,000 readers of my free health newsletter need no
introduction to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, as she has been a contributing editor on
the vaccine issue for several years. For that matter, many people throughout
North America have likely heard of her, too, as she has offered her unparalleled
insight on vaccines on countless health programs.

Her articles, such as â€œExpert" Believes Infants Can Tolerate 10,000
Vaccines and Smallpox Vaccines and Heart Disease, No "Coincidence", gives an
idea of the range of her expertise and important insight. With â€œVaccines: What
CDC Documents and Science Reveal,â€? though, you will get all of the crucial
information you need to protect you and your loved ones. Whatâ€™s more, youâ€™ll
get it in a manner you can understand, and thatâ€™s not â€œdryâ€? but actually
engaging to watch.

If you are also interested in how and why vaccines themselves are
dangerous, you should seriously consider Dr. Tenpenny's new video, â€œVaccines:
What CDC Documents and Science Reveal.â€? You'll learn how vaccines can cause
illnesses including autoimmune diseases, allergies, ear infections, and more.
You'll discover the very real link between vaccines and developmental,
learning and behavioral disorders in children. You'll find out how and why
vaccine studies are seriously flawed. And much more: read more about Dr.
Tenpenny's vaccine video.
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 20 Oct 2002 21:34:07 GMT
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Subject: Re: New Flu vaccine for babies..
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>Subject: Re: New Flu vaccine for babies..
>From: [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
>Date: 10/20/02 6:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <g1ys9.45070$eW3.44508@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>
>"Cher" <crgeorge@i-55.com> wrote in message
>news:aou8p7$ois$1@news.datasync.com...
>> Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our
>> immune functions.
>
>No, they do not do this. I suggest that you get some facts on this. The
>immune system is alike a muscle, the more it works the stronger it gets.
>Babies, from the instant of birth, have their immune system working very
>hard to accept al the new antigens they are experiencing.

This is an excerpt from an article published by Randall Neustaedtler,
O.M.D. titled Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System?

Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
*******************************************
profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our
nation's infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of
Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune
system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells
in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency. HIV viral
replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus vaccine.
Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals became
more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination.
Despite
these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune depleting
effect of the vaccine.

Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical
profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical
condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of
Pediatrics, explained in the Academy's News that the inclusion of this
type of information in vaccine brochures would confuse many parents
and
could even needlessly alarm them. An uninformed patient is compliant.

The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is
reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and
misinformation campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both
instances huge profits are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries.
Vaccine manufacturers cannot afford to have their product maligned in
a
public forum.

Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of
vaccines
to the public would hinder vaccine campaigns. This attitude emerged
more
than thirty years ago when Dr. Paul Meier testified before a
congressional committee concerning the polio vaccine campaign of the
1960s. It is hard to convince the public that something is good.
Consequently, the best way to push forward a new program is to decide
on
what you think the best decision is and not question it thereafter,
and
further, not to raise questions before the public or expose the public
to open discussion of the issues.

The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of
vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example,
the
ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of
paralytic polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since
then, DTP injections have caused the onset of polio disease.

In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York
to
evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic
polio and recent injections. The findings were published in the
American
Journal of Public Health. Investigators contacted the families of all
children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases
in New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A
history of vaccinations received in the previous two months was
obtained
on each child and from a group of matched controls in the same
population. Those studies discovered that children with polio were
twice
as likely to have received a DTP vaccination in the two months
preceding
the onset of polio than were the control children.

The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the
modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in the Arabian peninsula
country of Oman, DTP vaccination again caused the onset of paralytic
polio. In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24 months old contracted
paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. The report in the British
medical journal Lancet confirmed that a significantly higher
percentage
of these children had received a DTP shot within 30 days of the onset
of
polio compared to a control group of children without polio, 43
percent
of polio victims compared to 28 percent of controls. The DTP vaccine
suppresses the body's ability to fight off the polio virus.

The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist
over
an extended period of time. One study published in the Journal of
Infectious Diseases documented a long-term depressive effect on
interferon production caused by the measles vaccine. Interferon is a
chemical produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that
renders the host resistant to infection. Interferon production is
stimulated by infection with a virus to protect the body from
superinfection by some other micro-organism. In this study,
vaccination
of one-year-old infants with measles vaccine caused a precipitous drop
in the level of alpha-interferon produced by lymphocytes. This decline
persisted for one year following vaccination, at which time the
experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that measles
vaccine
produced a significant long-term immune suppression.
</quote>

Proof, again and again, that Jan Drew spreads misinformation about vaccination.

-----

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race
########################################

Mr. Rich posted a very good description of the pathological psyche of Jan Drew :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Can Jan Drew's Word Be Trusted
Message-ID: <r1s250lp3fpg56cmholql7l2adr82oj7d6@4ax.com>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:30:54 GMT

On 12 Mar 2004 05:49:55 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all these quuestion, you
>asked *ME*.

If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing this??
Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan, I know you will
be reading this. You fool no one when you claim to kill file people.
You are a terrible liar.

Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.

Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles.

Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts. Then she
snips and changes meaning of posts.

Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.

Jan says that she always proves other's
lies. Then Jan does not prove other's lies.

Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears false
witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten
Commandments.

Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a Jewish man a
Jew Boy and says that lying comes second nature to Jews and that all
the jews in this newsgroup save one, lie.

Jan says she does not hate homosexuals but then she calls them queers
and homos and belittles someone for his sexual orientation.

Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she expresses hatred.

Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the biggest
judger of all.

Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to forgive.
She posts an interview with God which tells her to forgive. Jan Drew
continues to hold grudges and obsessively posts grudges from years
ago.

Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply for having a
different opinion from hers.

Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest hypocrite
(see above) of all.

Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving medicines that
only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two medications that only
cover up the problem.

Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and her life
was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows that it was relief
that made her feel better than she had in TWO YEARS!!!!

Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in two years was
because all the dental work was done. It was not done.

Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury because she did
not begin to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped.
Jan knows this is a lie as she began to regain her health when her
mercury level was likely the highest in her life.

Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line dancing a
week after some amalgams were removed was because she was not getting
a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this is a lie because she still had
some amalgams left and they would not be removed for another few
weeks.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied about this.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
two years because of what I was implying. But Jan knows I was implying
that it was a placebo response and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better
due to relief.

Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January instead of
June when she likely knew that I just made a mistake.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger, anti-semite,
homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved it with her OWN WORDS.

May God have mercy on her soul.

Aloha,

Rich

Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch.

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The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?
##################################

Since 1996 I maintain a web-site against dental amalgam. 99% of my time I have
to tell people what naturopath stuff is quackery. So I wrote web-pages about
what I found.

In the usenet I found a liar who calls himself Jan Drew. Who advertizes
quackery.

Jan Drew is one of many advertizing agencies which do the very same. Some months
ago a German advertizing agency was caught advertizing chlorella algae.
Estimated damage of the chlorella swindle : 1 billion US-$ per year.

The method is always the same. The result is always the same : Ill people are
ripped off. And they die.

Some months ago I got to know about a man ill with cancer. This man was ordered
by his naturopath to drink 1 litre of Noni juice per day. A bottle costs about
50 US-$. After 6 months all his money was gone and the man was dead. He had paid
estimated 9000 US-$. Calculating the normal dealers' provisions the naturopath
collected about 2000 US-$. Or more...

And the man ill with cancer is dead...

I am collecting material about Jan Drew. I want to make a web-page about his
criminal abuse of ill people.

Please contact me via

news:misc.health.alternative or news:sci.med.dentistry
*********************** *****************

A militia against the Jan Drew quack mafia !

I give 1 Dollar.

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

..
--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Happy Oyster · 07-02-2010, 10:39 AM

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:23:07 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...GIACcxszmoT0jQ
>
>Post Activity
> Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
>2002 5 10 34 12 41 46 78 70 68 165 371 300
>2003 200 387 89 137 153 2 38 114 307 426 263 238
>2004 152 197 395 211 56 315 122 117 182 128 182 37
>2005 125 11 22 127 47 64 14 64 7 44
>2006 33 27 61 13 11 71 38 19
>2007 1
>2008 2
>2009 3 6 9 742 988 2645 2857 2350 2304 71 55
>2010 356 470 2144 1059 594 409 55

Janet Mae Drew is too damned stupid to count to 2. And too damned stupid and
criminal to stop her stalking and harassing.

But there is a FAQ about her...

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>Troll, liar, filthy mouth. name caller, who cannot prove it's claims
>"Peter B." <.@.>
>
>Has a hissy fit.

Oh, oh, not again...

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Re: -- Mark S is a despicable bastard and should eliminate himself"

>On Jun 28, 2:23*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>
>There I fixed the subjet title.
>
>> On Jun 28, 9:42*am, Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > For a far more lucid declaration of all the many "issues" he had with
>> > his ex-wife, * Ingrid Rungen, *see the 5 Part Complaint he filed with
>> > the Board of Medical Examiners against his ex-wife Ingrid Runden,
>> > then, *published to usenet.
>>
>> These are ancient history and resulted in nothing except to make this
>> poor woman's life a living hell for years. She made one mistake,
>> marrying that psychopath.
>>
>> You are a despicalbe bastard for bringing this up, Linda Gore, and you
>> should drop dead.
>
>Your buddies started this despicable thread. It is Off topic, and no
>one's business.
>
>Of course you don't criticize them. Wimp. Rather, you are most eager
>to trash any and all who disagree with you, or show your true colors.
>
>Now, shut up.

Janet Mae Drew, the imbecile Net stalker, does not stop. Time again to post the
warning FAQ about her.

Do note: Janet Mae Drew also is a mean racist:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:02:06 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 24, 11:46*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 11:43*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 11:31*pm, Mark S Probert Merrick, NY
>>
>> > <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Jun 24, 11:01*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jun 24, 5:40*pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/print.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > > > Pediatric SuperSite – Error
>> > > > The web site has encountered an error and the webmaster has been
>> > > > notified.
>> > > > Thank you for your patience as we resolve this matter.
>> > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > Copyright © 2010 SLACK, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>>
>> quoted under fair use. Shove it.
>
>Nice way to post, Jew.

Janet Mae Drew is a racist.

Well, nothing new. She has a long record...

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 23, 9:12*pm, Mark Insane need to argue, disbarred lawyer,fithy
>mouth Jew, name caller,hypocrite, harasser, stalker Probert
><mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 23, 8:22*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wierdo.
>>
>> > Stupid to use myspace
>>
>> >http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>>
>> > Al Grimes
>>
>> This is, by definition, stalking.
>
>lol. No wonder Mark S Probert was disbarred.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid sociopath, who hates children so much that she
wants to destroy their right to be saved by vaccination.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:47:41 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes, another wimps Profile"

>Al Grimes, another wimp's profile

25 minute before that, already attacked Al Grimes:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes"

>Wierdo.
>
>Stupid to use myspace
>
>http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>
>Al Grimes

VERY STUPID to harass other users. Like Janet Mae Drew does.

See here:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>Note from Jan:
>
>Some of these posts are duplicates. But the honest reader will get
>the idea.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid stalker, Why so? Because she attacks a person
who is not here. And not only that, she continues her insane attacks even after
being told that fact.

More about Janet Mae Drew, the shame of the family:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Re: Mar S Probert is a mess and does not live up to his Jewish
training"

>Proven by his own words.
>

Janet Mae Drew is an antisemitic racist. But knew that for years, see the
following facts and FAQs:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 11:43*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 11:12*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Getting help with stalking, lying, being a hypocrite, having a
>filthy
>mouth, calling name, profanity, and thinks he is Mark Probert-Drew.

1st., this thread is about Janet Mae Drew.

2nd., Janet mae Drew is a notoric liar, stalker, harasser and forger.

See here:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 8:08*pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > I never posted Barett was de-licensed.
>>
>> That is a damned lie.
>>
>> There is the piece of proof:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Path:
>> g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!out03b.usenets erver.com!news.usenetserv*er.com!in04.usenetserver .com!news.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy. n*et!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodig y.com!postmaster.news.prodi*gy.com!newssvr12.news. prodigy.net.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail
>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> *******************************************
>> *******************************************
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> Subject: Re: Leonard Haimes MD *Reprimanded in Florida
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>> 2007 03:31:41 EDT)
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>> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:31:41 GMT
>>
>> *Blazing Tattles Magazine * *View profile
>> * More options Nov 3 2001, 6:42 pm
>>
>> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
>> From: "Blazing Tattles Magazine" <cla...@blazingtattles.com>
>> Date: 03 Nov 2001 22:42:14 GMT
>> Local: Sat, Nov 3 2001 6:42 pm
>> Subject: The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>> Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original |
>> Report this message | Find messages by this author
>> I am just passing on the article, below, for your information. *I have not
>> personally verified the facts therein. *The article is *not* a Blazing
>> Tattles publication. *--Claire Gilbert
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>>
>> Opinion by "Consumer Advocate" Tim Bolen
>>
>> November 3, 2001
>>
>> There was a day when the "quackbusters" were a force to reckon
>> with. *But now, they've been beaten so soundly, in so many
>> places, over so many issues, that they have no credibility left.
>> They are, simply, nothing to fear. *Their teeth have been pulled.
>>
>> The court case they recently lost in California, "Homeopath
>> Smashes 'Quackpot Menace' in California," *was more than just one
>> more victory for the forces of good. * It was a MILESTONE in the
>> war against quackbuster evil.
>>
>> THE IMPORTANCE OF THE "HOMEOPATHIC" COURT CASE...
>>
>> In this current assault against health freedom by delicensed MD
>> Stephen Barrett and his minions, the National Council Against
>> Health Fraud (NCAHF), had posed as an injured Plaintiff using
>> what's called California's "Private Attorney General" law.
>> Basically, Barrett, et al, were claiming that about fifteen
>> manufacturers of Homeopathic products in the USA were
>> "fraudulently advertising" homeopathic products, asserting that
>> "homeopathy has never been scientifically proven - therefore, it
>> is fraud."
>>
>> This first case, the one decided on Hill Street in Los Angeles,
>> was filed against Frank King, and King Bio Pharmaceuticals
>> (www.kingbio.com) of Asheville, North Carolina. *Barrett rushed
>> this one to trial, I believe, thinking he could get an early
>> victory against a small manufacturer of homeopathic products -
>> and use that victory to bludgeon larger producers into cash
>> settlements.
>>
>> It didn't work. *Barrett's strategy backfired. *He, in his
>> mega-arrogance, didn't count on members of the Health Freedom
>> Movement setting up an ambush, right there on Hill Street.
>> Barrett, and his cronies, walked right into it.
>>
>> Scott Pinsky, Frank Hill's attorney in California, assembled a
>> strong defensive case, based on the simple premise that "The
>> NCAHF presented no evidence that the health discipline called
>> Homeopathy was fraudulent." *It worked. *Pinsky, during the
>> actual trial, also had the backing of famed California civil
>> litigator Carlos Negrete - a serious veteran of courtroom wars.
>> The combination crushed the NCAHF - easily. *The NCAHF really
>> didn't have a case...
>>
>> Barrett had based the whole NCAHF case on HIS OWN opinions, and
>> had used his own writings as his so-called evidence.
>>
>> SO, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CASE, WHY DID THE NCAHF PROCEED AGAINST
>> THE HOMEOPATHS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>> The answer is complex, I believe, and centers around two
>> important factors: *(1) *a desire to counter the growing number
>> of humiliating losses the "quackbusters" have been suffering,
>> around North America, at the hands of Health Freedom activists.
>> (2) *Bad leadership.
>>
>> When John Renner was still alive, he held the annual meeting for
>> the NCAHF in his home town in Missouri. *All of twenty-five
>> stalwarts showed up for the annual event. *The turn-out was so
>> pathetic, Renner had to down-size his meeting plans several
>> times. *In contrast, Health Freedom activists can put 100
>> activists into a coffee-shop meeting on two days notice - and can
>> deliver, literally, thousands of people to just come and "stare"
>> at Medical Board members during quarterly meetings - anywhere in
>> North America.
>>
>> Stephen Barrett took over management of the NCAHF after Renner
>> died - and decided to use it, I think, to bolster his own
>> "testifying business," the one he useswww.quackwatch.comto
>> promote. *Barrett runs his business out of his basement in
>> Allentown, PA. *In order for Barrett to continue to generate
>> business, he must make it appear to attorneys out there, that he
>> has a good product to offer. *His product, he claims, is
>> "anti-quackery testimony" for which he demands a significant fee.
>>
>> But Barrett's problem, and the problem of all of the so called
>> "quackbusters," is that in order to command those "significant
>> fees," he (and the others) have to have a track record of
>> "victories," an attorney can rely on. *Of late, Barrett, et al,
>> have been battered in the courtroom - with opposing attorneys
>> simply questioning their credentials. *Everybody remembers
>> "quackbuster wanna-be" Robert S. Baratz's submission of false
>> employment claims in the Phillips case in Florida - so he could
>> be paid as an "expert witness."
>>
>> Attorneys all over North America learned a few simple lessons
>> from the Baratz incident - if a "quackbuster" comes to testify,
>> FIRST carefully examine their resume claims, then lead the
>> "testifier" through cross-examination right through those "false
>> resume claims" right into a PERJURY situation. *If they want to
>> lie in a courtroom - let them do it - then exact the penalty.
>>
>> But it isn't just about lying, or misrepresenting, in a
>> courtroom. *In Barrett's case, and others, attorneys are now
>> carefully examining Barrett's personal qualifications to testify
>> AT ALL. *After all, it must be remembered that Barrett, not only
>> couldn't become Board Certified as a Psychiatrist, but he had to
>> give up his medical license for reasons he doesn't satisfactorily
>> explain, in 1993. *The obvious premise here is - if he couldn't
>> make it in the SIMPLE world of "drug prescribing" how can he
>> claim to be an expert on COMPLEX "leading edge" health
>> disciplines?
>>
>> Attorneys, all over North America, have been asking just those
>> types of questions of Barrett, et al. *And Barrett doesn't have
>> satisfactory answers - ones that would satisfy Judges and juries.
>> Attorneys who previously counted on Barrett, et all, *to make
>> their case, have been finding out, the hard way, that Barrett
>> can't stand and deliver. *The message now is "If Barrett is your
>> 'expert witness' you are going to lose your case."
>>
>> The bottom line here, is that Barrett needed, what he thought
>> would be, a "slam dunk" to restore his previous reputation as an
>> "expert witness who can win cases." * He didn't get it. *In fact,
>> on Hill Street, he got the opposite.
>>
>> NOW, BARRETT'S GOT REAL PROBLEMS WITH HIS OWN PEOPLE...
>>
>> Barrett, and others, had touted this attack against the
>> Homeopaths, and others in California, as the quackbuster's return
>> to prominence in the field of Health Policy. *His plan fizzled
>> miserably. *Now, I think, Barrett has credibility issues with the
>> whole "quackbuster" membership.
>>
>> He simply can't deliver...
>>
>> Tim Bolen
>> JuriMed - Public Relations and Research Group
>> jurim...@yahoo.com
>> </quote>
>>
>> .
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.deathsect.com
>
>No, it not a lie. Tim Bolen, and IIena posted that.Try to keep up,
>long winded Yappy.

To say it is plain words: Janet Mae Drew is a swine.

Even if shown her very own words she denies having posted them.

This is the beginning of the header of HER post:

>> <quote>
>> Path:
>> g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!out03b.usenets erver.com!news.usenetserv*er.com!in04.usenetserver .com!news.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy. n*et!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodig y.com!postmaster.news.prodi*gy.com!newssvr12.news. prodigy.net.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail
>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
##############################################
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> Subject: Re: Leonard Haimes MD *Reprimanded in Florida

Clear for all to see: This post was sent by Janet Mae Drew.

Janet Mae Drew is a criminal sociopath. There are THOUSANDS of pieces of proof
to show in court that Janet Mae Drew is a Net stalker, a nasty, mean, ugly
sociopath.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Fact: The pastor says, he does not know her. That is for sure...

FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia
================================================== ======================

Part V
======
19.4.2010

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
2. The history of Jan Drew
3. Where is Jan Drew?
4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
She erases her traces.

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
========================================

Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before.

The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one?

Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew:

<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
*******************************************

Newsgroups:
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[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 13, 9:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
</quote>

The old Jan Drew posts from the IP

X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

The new Jan Drew with the email address

Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

posts from this IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
*************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY
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Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting
again. You should be careful. Remember you
will be 64 in November of this year.
Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you
posted your birthday.

On Jul 15, 11:27*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to
> their ISP or email provider.
>
> She has now claimed that she has reported me.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's
> actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do
> something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints
> about her.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
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> X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net
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> Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT)
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:01:45 -0400
>
> I suggest you read your terms of service
> At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com

You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years].
I happen to know you reported
me several days ago.
And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play?
</quote>

So we have:

From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)

but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up:

From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
**********************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids. health
Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They
Stunt Growth
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
**********************************************

Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <356ea98d-dfc2-471b-84c5-57daa71288cf@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
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posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP

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Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR
3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
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spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1)

On Jul 12, 7:01*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:48*am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
</quote>

This is the IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;

So we see that

Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

also uses this IP from AOL:

<quote>
IP Information for 64.12.112.11

IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc
Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com
IP Address: 64.12.112.11
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****America*Online,*Inc.*
OrgID:******AMERIC-158
Address:****10600*Infantry*Ridge*Road
City:*******Manassas
StateProv:**VA
PostalCode:*20109
Country:****US
</quote>

AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. The history of Jan Drew
==========================

This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account.

#1. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
#2. "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
#3. Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423

</quote>

As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often.

Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...5xS36mXc24h6ww

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Where is Jan Drew?
=====================

In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I
tried to find more about it.

This I now found with the word "bloomington":

http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html

<quote>
2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
</quote>

I also found this:

<quote>
LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew

Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY.
Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC.
Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL.
Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ...
***************************************
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html

LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper
Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ...
Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ...
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelist...an-harper.html
</quote>

Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana.

The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3)

gives for (see above!)

nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

this result:

<quote>
IP Information for 70.239.89.125
IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services
************************************************** ************

Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net
************************************************** *******
IP Address: 70.239.89.125
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****AT&T*Internet*Services*
OrgID:******SIS-80
Address:****2701*N.*Central*Expwy*#*2205.15
City:*******Richardson
StateProv:**TX
PostalCode:*75080
Country:****US
NetRange:***70.224.0.0*-*70.239.255.255*
CIDR:*******70.224.0.0/12*
NetName:****SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle:**NET-70-224-0-0-1
Parent:*****NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType:****Direct*Allocation
NameServer:*NS1.AMERITECH.NET
NameServer:*NS2.AMERITECH.NET
Comment:****
RegDate:****2005-03-22
Updated:****2007-05-25
OrgAbuseHandle:*ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:***Abuse*-*Southwestern*Bell*Internet*
OrgAbusePhone:**+1-800-648-1626
</quote>

Bloomington, Indiana.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
=========================================

Searching with

Jan Drew Blomington

one hit is this:

<quote>
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
misc.health.alternative

Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut
up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award

View parsed - Show only message text

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
******************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant
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<e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re:
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X-Trace: nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com 1215143201 ST000 70.239.91.212 (Thu, 03 Jul 2008
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400

You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote:

Jan:

Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"
it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me
that are not truthful in nature.

I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the
group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are
laughing at you.

Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
amongst those that are "in the know."

I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would
appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic
mouth.

Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
vocabulary.

Got it? I hope so.

And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part
of my name.

Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer
reading.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> Jan:

Yes, Debbee?

OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp.
OrgID: NSCP
Address: 501 E. Middlefield
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US

NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255
CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18
NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR
NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM
NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1996-09-06
Updated: 2001-03-28

RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
RTechName: America Online, Inc.
RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net

> Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"

Oh, really?

*would appear*, why don't you just speak up?

> it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature.

I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******

> I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS,
and used the name Annie, then signed it B.

> I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
> have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you.
> Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
> amongst those that are "in the know."
> I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
> and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth.
> Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
> vocabulary.
> Got it? I hope so.
> And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name.

lol. I thought you said you were not Annie?

> Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading.

lol. Poor Debbee:

*I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
Get help.

Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post.
And......................
Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got
that?

Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history

From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008
X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008
01:21:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9]
Return-Path: <dbeesti...@aol.com>
Authentication-Results: mta125.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com from=aol.com;
domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
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From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Message-ID: <d64.27777f10.358e1...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT
Subject: "Cease and Desist"
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June 21, 2008

This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and
libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about
untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names.

I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected
to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than
you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent.
The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on
Wireless. I am on dial-up.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to
California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust
me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that
you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have
libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer
posting there and there is no further need to discuss me.

Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just
because you don't happen to believe them, is libel.

And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the
group.

Thank you.

Deborah Annie Adams
--------------------------------------------

OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's

Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/8239d7e6a3...

Oct 27, 2007

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior
one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser.
Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this
message.

YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST
MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING
FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT.

On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html
> > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
> I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission.

------------------------------------

Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.

However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/948ed26ada...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a
living. Some of us have real lives."

>From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde:

Debbee A Adams (54)
San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA
http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/l...a-jeff-rfs.jpg

I am very happily RETIRED from working.
But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You
wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could
complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle,
chortle.

[Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a
living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people.
The best she could do with me was find a
reference to a store I previously owned.]

Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE?
Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to
pay the rent.

>From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a

lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and
the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any
knowledge of it however.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/536569d0bf...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> I know nothing of what you are speaking about.
> I'm not the editor of any publication.
> I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA
> There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube.
> Deb Adams is not even my real name.

So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days,
to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your
name???

---------------------------------------
On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even
> doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine.

Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!

I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your
business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your
reptilian handiwork!

You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

> Jan Drew wrote:

>> lol. Poor Debbee:

>> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
>> Get help.

>> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And......................
>> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee.
>> Got that?

> It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior.
> Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute
> right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know.

> If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals.
> You are the one that needs help, not me.

> I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made.

> Thank you.

It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help.
You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you
proven you KNOW
there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on.

There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me.
Your words:

* Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not

give you the absolute
right to abuse others.*

And, just who would that be? Where did that come from?
It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about

So much for libel.
Now, either put up or shut up!

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google
</quote>

Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and
later.

What did Jan Drew write?:

<quote>
I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******
</quote>

That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only
followed this figure and archived material...

Jan Drew also wrote:

<quote>
Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.
However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.
</quote>

Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is...

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
===================================

Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many
things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to
prove that he/she is female.

Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details.

Like this one:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551
<quote>
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired
Bloomington, Indiana Area Research
Current
Owner at rtired
Connections

0 connections
Public Profile
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...mt.php?sto_uri
=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc 3Rv&start=24

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycit...mington/page/3
<quote>
Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana
==================================

Intelius
Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email]

Credit card not credited
Complaint Rating:
Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098.

$4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately.

Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
***************************
</quote>

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
*****************

<quote>
Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
</quote>

In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address

jdrew63929@aol.com

That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
=========================================

Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or
Janice?

Remember of of the search engine hits above?

<quote>
My daughter Jacque Nelson...
</quote>

Search engines love that... ;O)

And they dig out precious little details ... like this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father:
--- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311
| 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325
Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)
SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD:
12/21/1979]
SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin
Children
319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936)
324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
**********************************************
327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938)

Born: Monroe Cty., IN

Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920
(re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914.

Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84
May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001
ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at
his residence.
He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena
(Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a
retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom
area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent
Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War
II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the
Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and
finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of
military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
served in several
capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington
in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M.
Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois
University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist,
and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care
************************************************** ************************
Center;
*******
three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of
Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in
death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two
sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain.
Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at
Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8
p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial
contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni
Association.

Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN

Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of
Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a
similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane
Naval Station in construction of military facilities.

Employment/Professions: Farmer

Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School*
1934

Religion: Seventh-day Adventists
********************************

Documents:Obituary
Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001

Notes: From obituary.

THD 22124
</quote>

and this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F }
************************************************** *
Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]
Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)

Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** ********

SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson
SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones

Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew

SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small
Children
325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958)
326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960)
************************************************

Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001

Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy
Hays' notes.

THD 114382
</quote>

All the pieces fit together.

First, marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
</quote>

which makes the children have the family name Nelson.

The second marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
</quote>

makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of
Happy Day Care Center.

The details of that:

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html

<quote>
James William "Bill" Drew
**************************
M, #I4836, Born: [private]
Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916
Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995
Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana
Family:

Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private]
Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954
William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958
+ Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private]
James David Drew, Born: [private]
Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private]

Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private]
************************************************** *****
Last Updated: 05 March 2008
</quote>

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846
<quote>
Janet Mae Stidd
***************
F, #I4846, Born: [private]
Father:: ?
Mother:: ?
Birth: 16 March 1938
Family:

Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born:
************************************************** ****************
[private]
Last Updated: 14 May 2001
</quote>

One more detail:

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-s...earchform=name
<quote>
Janet M Drew
************
View Details
70 Bloomington, IN (3)
************************************
Spencer, IN (1)
Lutz, FL (1) James Drew
J B Drew
Jan Drew
Bill J Drew
</quote>

"70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic.

You remember the memorial?:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

Well, there is the counterpart:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...dson.htm#16768
<quote>
326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F }
***********************************************

Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** *****

Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
************************************************** ***
</quote>

Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

Jan Drew pestered the net:

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160
</quote>

Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE
advertising for the naturopathic mafia.

And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god.

TEN YEARS NOW.

And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continues
with here criminal behavior.

I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her to
stop. And now, there definitely is an end.

Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in
Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes!

In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the

Seventh Day Adventist Church
301 E Matlock Rd
Bloomington, IN
(812) 332-5025

In its gone web-site they have some strong words concerning their being so very
special:

http://web.archive.org/web/200312230...g/handbook.htm

<quote>
Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search

ACA Handbook Excerpts

Purpose

Aims & Objectives

Requirements for Admission

PURPOSE

In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational
opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason
for its existence.
Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and
************************************************** *********
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************

Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place
in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy .

The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian
education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course
of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to
do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man.
It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual
powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for
the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13.

Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this
earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all
the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained,
might furnish, how soon the message of a
crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole
world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the
training of its youth in this high responsibility.

Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education.
Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and
accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of
Seventh-Day Adventists.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

“And Jesus increased in wisdom¼”

Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits
of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills
and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning
that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world
to come.

“¼And Stature¼”

Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the
principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual
vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and
activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and
leisure time.

“¼And in favor with God¼”

Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for
Jesus Christ

who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in
the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and
reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten
Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life.

Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation
of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward
fortitude against evil and a sense of personal
responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws
that should govern individual conduct.

“¼And with man.” Luke 2:52

Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the
motivating power in the life of every member of the family.

Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for
recognized authority.

Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian
motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish
rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of
character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life.

REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION

Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic
origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally
accorded or made available to students. In administration of its
educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or
ethnic origin.

Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the
Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A.
However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold
the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to
live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after
consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement
with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their
student.

It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the
age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the
student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st.

Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the
first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file
at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing
an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to
one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or
sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special
needs.

Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly
filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval.

New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order
to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance
below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from
this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board.

Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following
admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a
current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued
monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for
the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal.
Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an
individual basis, subject to the previous
year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the
school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result
in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above.

If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student
needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or
attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such
examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner
(as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student
************************************************** ***************************
may be asked to withdraw from school.
************************************************** ***************************

Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about
this web site.
Last modified: December 18, 2003
</quote>

I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day
Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that

<quote>
"the unique standards and
************************************************** *****
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************
</quote>

Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have
some influence on her. Unless she already

<quote>
may be asked to withdraw from school.
</quote>

You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and
cruelty.

These are words by Jan Drew:

<quote>
Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!
</quote>

Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith
making complaints, etc,...

7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
================================================== =========
She erases her traces.
======================

Janet Mae Drew attacks others as being "wimps". But look at how she makes her
traces disappear. Do try out the links in the following "Part V" of the FAQ
about the notorious Net stalker Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Her pastor does not know her, that is for sure...

Looks like Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson spoiled the life of a huge part of the
family.

Neither here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/index_D.html#Drew

nor here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamil..._N.html#Nelson

her husbands are seen. Not only Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson was excluded from
the family, but also her 2 husbands and the children.

That erasure must have made some really impressive foot marks on the behinds of
a lot of people. ALL OF THEM are victims of Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson.

One can choose his friends, but one cannot choose his family...

This linked-in profile by her is gone:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551

But Google kept an eye on it:

<quote>
This is Google's cache of http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551. It
is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 15 Feb 2010 03:13:06 GMT. The
current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

Text-only version
These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: http www linkedin com
pub janet drew 9 302 551
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired

Bloomington, Indiana Area
Contact Janet Drew
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</quote>

Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, erases her trace.

Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is wimp. She is the shame of
the family. They erased her branches in the family genealogy tree. The do know,
why...

Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives
pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault.

She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she
gives.

To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of
yourself.

..

################################################## #################

FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
*********************************************

Updated, March, 23rd., 2004

Hello,

in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.

Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of
Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children.
This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from
believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who
claim : "I have done it. It works!"

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Aribert Deckers

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich

B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew"

C. Details
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
13. The "Jew boy" case
14. Jan Drew, the stalker
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
17. The foul language of Jan Drew
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
#######################

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
Message-ID: <k69l40p1f6tbg83kgca8efu2vqedkk2c88@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT

Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This
means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false
witness in order to achieve her objective.

Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who
disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any
means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster
is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a
poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may
just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized
medicine to discredit them.

Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either
psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in
her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to
understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan
Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears
not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to
demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so
instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against
the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject.

Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having
mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief
despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history
indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why
her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt
that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this
does not stop her shilling.

Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not
start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear
indication that she understands the importance of the temporal
relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping.
But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not
only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!!

Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false
witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote
alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete
lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie.
But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats
them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable.

Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do
with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against
conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the
negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW
post talking about anything positive about conventional medicine. She
is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against
conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about
CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda.

Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM
is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the
truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to
AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to
alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication
that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications
that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite.

Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to
get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an
attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name,
address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells
people not to do business with them. She posts the private information
of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them.

Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to
repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion
simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch
how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading
my post after lying about putting me in her kill file.

Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that
Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their
personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching
on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then
post it here to discredit them.

Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But
the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true
identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and
potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics
from expressing their opinions here.

Poster beware.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my
name/tactics. Just watch.

But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many
enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the
issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable.

PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the
above in it.
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew"
#####################################

Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to

a) have suffered,
b) then were saved,
c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment
XYZ...

Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has
happened to him can be proven wrong.

Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and
healings.

Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the
innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer"
scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used.

In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm
(bilingual)

I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of
the naturopath mafia :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available.)

Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of
many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives
if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia.

This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator
would be appreciated.)

AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud.
Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Now the text by Mr. Rich :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused?
Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp451uh3tc22fghdtppbv@4ax.com>
References:
<404b8888$0$305$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
<20040308022648.29802.00001024@mb-m21.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT

On 08 Mar 2004 07:26:48 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>
>I was treated for mercury poisoning from amalgams and I am alive and well. That
>is what is demonstrated here.

Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow
the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury
poisoning from amalgams.
Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died
from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams even though her history
suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note: Jan has accused
me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about
she remains silent).

The facts according to Jan Drew:

1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy

2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly
improved her symptoms

3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her
peripheral neuropathy

4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN

5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by
Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL
cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by
a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and
proper nutrition)

6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely
had mercury poisoning from the amalgams.

7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health
that resulted in her believing that she was going to die.

8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr.
Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist believes that
mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of
his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with
composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent.

>On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:
>
>>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for a cause for over a
>>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions the mercury problem. I
>>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr.
>>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very enlightening book. I had my
>>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back
>>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal pulled.
>>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you have a condition that
>>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth.
>>
>>Thanks Again,
>>
>>Jan

9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on
usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within
HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO
YEARS!!

>Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet
>
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>>Jan

10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two
years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the
amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was
clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to
her would not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?

11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the
amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to
regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a
complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she
had felt in two years, within hours of having some of the amalgams
removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above.

12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above
history.

13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her
refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults
and belittling.

AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of
her history.

Discussion (OPINION):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the
point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is
VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the
months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her
worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to
buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health
problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she
believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an
excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is
consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had
all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level
was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan
Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following:

1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without
specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things
including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents
to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to
belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten
Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with
respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from
Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing
this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to
NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to
listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
################################################

[naturopath mafia-based]
http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html
http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php
http://www.alternativemedicine.com/d.../i22-a12.shtml
http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/...lar/vitce.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinion...ion%20bill.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/livin...nts020910.html
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73
http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm
http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html
http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surg...rticles/63.htm
http://www.mercola.com
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net

[Scientology-based articles]
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200..._our_kids.html
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm

(List will be updated)

2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
################################################## ####

Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are
nothing but other masks of Mercola :

"Dave" <info@glowlife.com>
"Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com>
"Teacher" <princeofmen@hotmail.com>
"David" <medtools@earthlink.net>
"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
"Anth" <anon@anon.com>
"soft-eng" <softeng3456@netscape.net>
"mdd" <mdd@trip.net>
"RB" <flagflye1@superweb.ca>
"DEBBEE1023" <debbee1023@aol.comnojunk>
"Gymmy Bob" <NoThanx@spam.com>

This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !

Keep in mind these very true words :

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative :

<quote>
[...]
There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if
someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be
trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and
dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own
integrity.

And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the
posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only
reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability
in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are
frequently brought up to her.
</quote>

3. Cui bono ?
##############

A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections
to those who cash in the money.

Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But
Jan Drew does more than that !

A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively
demonstrates the background :

<quote>
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT
References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
Message-ID: <20030829161906.24569.00000144@mb-m16.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197

>Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>She does?
>Anth

>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in message

>> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up
>> true facts with naturopath nonsense and this way forces people to buy
>> quackery.
>>
>> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours!

Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.

I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I
have never forced people to do anything.

Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements

When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine,
Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
</quote>

Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text
:

<quote>
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different
researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his
comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review
the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for
************************************************** *********** +++
further information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan
</quote>

So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.

Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?

A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the
word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year".

We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" :
(Underlign marks made by me.)

<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT
References: <HGe1a.187148$HG.31994841@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity
Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-cf.aol.com>

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...limination.htm

Mercury

Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents

The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote
it nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet
and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the
Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001).
The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to
compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find
on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and
exactly what one should do, please review my mercury detoxification
protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most
**************
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>

Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by
Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt.

This article is "on mercury detoxification".

So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.

Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of
advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...

4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
###################################

In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words
and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.te le.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audre y-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 28
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT
References: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger
Message-ID: <20031117231348.14148.00000498@mb-m15.aol.com>

>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>

Happy is not playing with a full deck.

As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm

<snip>

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting
timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.

Took 16 seconds to find it.

I have posted it previously.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to
have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words.

Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.

One more example of forgery :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 24
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT
References: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls
Message-ID: <20040307003127.20278.00001024@mb-m27.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
>From: WB no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 3/6/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>>Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
>>Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
>>conventional medicine.
>
>
>Dude, please report to her ISP when she spams.
>
>
>--
>WB

Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10
http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
</quote>

By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as
if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting.

5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
################################################## #############

A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to
web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear
and hatred against scientific medicine.

Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".

In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really
contains :

<quote>
From: "Dr. Steve" <drsteve@I.give.up.on.the.spam.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <bdgqb.28460$Ec1.2621220@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-m05.aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question
Message-ID: <r9hqb.7825$P%1.6850723@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com >
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT

..
"Ja," <jdre.....29@aol.com> wrote in message
> >If jdrmmm,,,,29@aol.com (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the
source.
>
> I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider
the
> source and see the source of each website.
>
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in
Nepal.

> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on
people's fear of Hg poisoning.

> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental
links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th
evils of Hg in dentistry.

> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr.
Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then.

> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes
you will buy one his books too.

> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

A web site that just sells a book.

> http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?)
disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story.

> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again
disquised as a story.

> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.

> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

Another link to the Nepal dental office.

> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

Dr, Meining again.

> http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long

> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental
thinking.

> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

Guess what? A site to sell books.

> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

This guy is selling a special diet.

> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A
BOOK!!!!

Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts

PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting
program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of
Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your
health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health
in any way.
</quote>

6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
#################################

This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology.
Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an
advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed...

Example 1:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT
References: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
>From: Nomen Nescio nobody@dizum.com
>Date: 9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
>
>$cientology member

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</quote>

Example 2:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT
References: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
Message-ID: <20030921225158.18243.00001304@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
>From: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
>Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
>
>You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzz
</quote>

Example 3:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT
References: <3f6e3452.175598378@news.verizon.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports
of recent Scientology postings
Message-ID: <20030921225300.18243.00001305@mb-m06.aol.com>

> What is $cientology?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
</quote>

Example 4:
<quote>
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT
References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
Message-ID: <20031006012916.04714.00000519@mb-m17.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
>
>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON
>> FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>INTERNATIONAL
>
>A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now
>that's something you don't see every day.

Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.

Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.

You are an intolerant fascist bigot.
</quote>

So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !:
(Underligns with "*" by me.)

<quote>
Lines: 59
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT
References: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-m19.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
>
>ryubyss@yahoo.com (Ria) wrote:
>
>>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this
>>> is what she is replying to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are
>>> something which Jan feels require no comment.
>>
>>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's
>point.
>
>Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my
>religious beliefs and suggests that I am directly instructed by Satan.

Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John
delights in seeing kids die.

>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
************************************************** *******************

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
************************************************** *******************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
************************************************** *******************

>If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine

It does indeed.

> then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical
opinions.

Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some
reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an
excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing.

> Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases,
>>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by
>>> pointing out the lies of people who oppose vaccination.
>>

That would be a opinion.

>>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic.

<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>

Repeatedly.

Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting
others down.

Jan
</quote>

The crucial part :

<quote>
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
</quote>

So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend
against all proof.

Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?

Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.

7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
#################################

In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a
known criminal charlatan.

The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.

<quote>
Lines: 47
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT
References: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID: <20031116020050.01432.00000254@mb-m20.aol.com>

>Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
>From: "f®Èé RådicaL" ojw3@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
>
>Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
>it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.
>
>I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
>Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
>awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
>later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
>point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
>zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
>hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
>duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
>numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
>alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
>the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.
>
>I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
>on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
>fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
>time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
>the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
>antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
>zapper seems to break very quickly.
>
>Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
>anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
>build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
>I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
>products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.

As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are
outrageous lies. The FTC states in

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm

<quote>
DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT

13. Section*5(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or
practices in or affecting commerce. Section*12(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C.
§*52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting
commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase
of food , drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have
engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper
Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite
Cleanse).

14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not
limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph*12, above, and through
the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com"
defendants have represented expressly or by implication that:

a.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
viruses and parasites in the human body;
*
b.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic
infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);
*
c.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite
Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
d.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is
effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
e.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured
numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;
*
f.**The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;
*
g.**The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at
specific points in the human body.
*
h.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;
*
i.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma
and many other diseases.
*
j.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and
Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make
surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that
substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph*14, above, at the time
the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set
forth in Paragraph*14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for
a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §§*45(a), 52 and
55.

CONSUMER INJURY

16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout
the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and
possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched
as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court,
the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust
enrichment and harm the public interest.

THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF

17. Section*13(b) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*53(b), authorizes this Court to
grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress,
disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any
provision of law enforced by the Commission.
</quote>

The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.

Here a detail, found in
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cer/clark.html :

<quote>
The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and
thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:

Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor
of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated
that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable
evidence" to support her claims [19].
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...f/primack.html

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor
Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer
and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is
limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent
an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and
her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does
not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental
parasitological principles." [20]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ff/pappas.html

Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that,
"No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any
physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure
cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can
eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../pizzorno.html
</quote>

As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was
sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in
his posting claims to work.

So, for all clear to see :

Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
************************************************** ****************
lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
*********************************************

Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes
for Hulda Clark products :

<quote>
Lines: 19
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT
References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
Message-ID: <20031228145116.15319.00001622@mb-m12.aol.com>

>Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth?
>I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and it will thin the
>enamel down.
>There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are
>expensive and cumbersome.
>Thanks
>Anth

I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark)
works great.

http://www.DrClarkStore.com

Jan
</quote>

This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan
Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark :

<quote>
Lines: 5
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT
References: <1b2a5a9f.0403021148.8b4425f@posting.google.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com>

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan
</quote>

And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying :

<quote>
Lines: 32
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT
References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302235051.02894.00000792@mb-m15.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: anth and the flush
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/2/2004 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
>I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary.
>Did you take the Ornithine?
>Anth

YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse
won't be as successful.

Jan

>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
>>
>> I have done this several times, it works.
>>
>> Jan
</quote>

What does Jan Drew claim ?:

<quote>
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well
the cleanse won't be as successful.
</quote>

That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a
criminal deed.

Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not
advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical
claims.

Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud.

Here you can read how to complain about health fraud :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################

In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the
"$KaChing"...

<quote>
From: "Rich Shewmaker" <rich@ilhawaii.net>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: $KaChing is Working!!
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000
Message-ID: <pNScnaQ7epSuaueiXTWJhg@ilhawaii.net>

Quackwatch Ratbags

July $100* $70
August 38 20
September 28 10

*donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132

For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I
proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR.
Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming
annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of
speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so
punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of
Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild
punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement
that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently
meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I
added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic
death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never
understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned
the guilt.

Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even
got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch
donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine"
for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.

See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are
participating.
</quote>

9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################

Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull.
Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew,
oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his
critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows
his real face...:

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueb erl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyc ny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news. aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling
Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-m06.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036

Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the
debunkers lie.

Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a
human being.

Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct
others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's
ass.

Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.

David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.

DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.

Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.

Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to
make retractions, another lackey for Barrett.

Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.

[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years], all of the above.

WB and Dickinson both trolls.

Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's
head off.

Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.

A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.

Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths
mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine.

That's a FACT, Jack.
</quote>

Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would
you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?

10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################

Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest
fighters against dental amalgam.

Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is
the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in
large scale.

Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.

Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like
Jan Drew :

<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu
veröffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.

Aribert Deckers

************************************************** ************************
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message
quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long
silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just
incredible.

I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.

I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was
involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were
rather too expensive for me.

I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?

I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film
plastic containers.

I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to
charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to
choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my
expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.

I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our
organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when
and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in
that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.

Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when
taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.

I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though
I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the
lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a
stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not,
because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and
she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong
headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed
grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night
because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without
much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are
not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not
bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is
a subject for yet another long horror story.

We just live in hell on Earth.

We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.

I'll better finish here.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes

[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage dürfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>

People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like
this ill man.

Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.

11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################

In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism
:

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!)
Message-ID: <i4d3rv4dtdbha0h08phoobcgrvl7mosi27@4ax.com>
References: <E26sb.7041$aT.3016@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
<20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-m15.aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT

On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Sadly, his enablers will be right along.
>
>It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in:

Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The
following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read
the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read
the lowest of lows:

Debbee1023 says:
>>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid
>>to
>>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which
>>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I understand there
>>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the medical field,
>>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers,
>>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of
>>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all true about
>>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was right long
>time ago.
>
>>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's
>>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning
>>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the cities that were
>>chosen.
>>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
>>hijacked...it
>>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
>>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead
>>of
>>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep
>>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the
>>score."
>

Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:

>Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.
>
>Jan

So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to
exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan
Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.

What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone
who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on
judgment day.

Aloha,

Rich
>

------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE261.D2CEF893@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews
in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the
past year. I put line breaks between comments made
in different postings, and in some cases removed line
breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting.
In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid
line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>

And some more :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE267.AA17E28B@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's other hatreds
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about
Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made
in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line
breaks between comments made in different postings,
and in some cases removed line breaks when lines
appeared together in the same posting. In some
cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line
wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------

Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.

He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude
(rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.

------- Jan speaking about atheists -------

Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.

The reason you are an atheist is because Satan
has convinced you.

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group)
with the exception of IIena, they have proven
themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover
for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and
need to have an argument going, thinking they
can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is
said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but
belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists
or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----

Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew.
Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*.

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

They are here because they are both frustrated.
Both are rather queer.

Notice how none of the debunkers have
anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's
*queer* statements?

Me thinks you are acting very queer.

That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar,
despicable hate filled *queer* person.

Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's
lies or his professional manner.
They are both rather queer.

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Making up queer stories Eric???????

And woo woo.
And Queer.
</quote>

Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty
Message-ID: <20040220213242.12315.00000073@mb-m02.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>Date: 2/20/2004 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1b2a5a9f.0402201712.4fff69d1@posting.google.com >
>
>healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote in message
>news:<866cef19.0402200714.6189051f@posting.google .com>...
>> jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<20040219153549.08803.00000010@mb-m13.aol.com>...
>> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>> > >From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>> > >Date: 2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>> > >They debunked all his words and works,
>> > >and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them. That is how Satan works."
>> > >
>> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
>> > >for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
>> > >involved."
>> > >
>> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan."
>> >
>> > Those are not words of hate.
>>
>> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the
>> statements she made above are okay.

It is always OK to post the truth.

>Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.

True

>They debunked all his words and works,

True

>>and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them.

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.

>That is how Satan works."

True

>It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust.

They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.

When noone here was in any way >involved."

True

>"IMHO they are led by Satan."

He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.

> Those are not words of hate.

That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.

>When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are
>second nature to them", the effect is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion
>and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group.

They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They
lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when
asked, because they make things up.

>Even without insisting that it is "factual".

I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.

>And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that
>"lying" trait, in something that happened 2000 years ago.

Not the issue..

>And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'.

Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.

All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own
words.

Since you are new here,, you have no clue.

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew says :
<quote>
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
</quote>

And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic
psyche into the internet...

One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :

<quote>
Lines: 145
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Pathetic
Message-ID: <20040221204234.20451.00000208@mb-m28.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: Orac orac@mac.com
>Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <orac-EF62C6.18565521022004@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>In article <fjpf3019geh3dlnbrcnir4vr9bdqroq36h@4ax.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
>> >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
>> >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
>> >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
>> >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
statements.

Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

>>
>> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
>> alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
>> without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
>> rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
>> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
>> against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
>> return of the genocides of the past.

Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
life!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

The truth is:

Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

>I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation
is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic
>comments.

You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
people.

However, I agree that
it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
of them.

This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
stand the truth.

You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
and over. He even lies about his name.

False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
how statements were read.

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Example:

Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
>> Holocaust
>
>No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

>You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic
disgusting bigot.

*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

Further more what I said was:

I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

Then she blames Jews
> of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
> years ago.
>
>That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of
his
>claim.

Bull**** you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

>es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>They debunked all his words and works,
>and now debunking and lies are second
>nature to them. That is how Satan works.

NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
>
>Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

>It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
>with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
>with hate.

True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

It iis very transparent and pathetic.

Jan
</quote>

These are Jan Drew's exact words :

<quote>
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
</quote>

Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.suppor t.breast-implant
Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
Message-ID: <iuv_b.63$Xv2.5@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040223173759.20223.00000246@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >From: "[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]-February 23, 2004"
>
> >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
>
> OT.
>
> >
> >"Andrew Langer"
>
> >People like Jan Drew
>
> > if they weren't
>
> > they weren't courageous
>
> >who would have
>
> >Jan Drew would not
>
> ZZzz

So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver
did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism
and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory
betrays her.

"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."

"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Start with Matt: 27 "

"Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters."

"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng."

"That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other."

"The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan."

"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."

"I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."

"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes."

"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works."

"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."

"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate."

"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved."
</quote>

12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
#################################

Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles,
defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of
being Satan's ... well, whatever...

The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia :

<quote>
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Lines: 63
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson
Message-ID: <20040315160305.06673.00001564@mb-m25.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:344236

Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got
caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't
post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.???

The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan.

He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy
obssession.

Now for the truth.

Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
</quote>

13. The "Jew boy" case
#######################

Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks,
calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent"
archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days.
I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled,
but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.

So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found
with Google :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT
References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-cp.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>
>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>
>>
>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>
><Snip>
>
>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>see
>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777

Jan
</quote>

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT
References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-fe.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>>>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>>>
>>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>>>
>>><Snip>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>>>see
>>>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>>>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.
>>
>>Please stay clear of
>>
>>Southern Acupuncture Inc.
>>
>> I.L.S.A.
>>
>>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
>>
>>Wilmington, NC
>>
>>910-799-5777
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments.

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777
</quote>

14. Jan Drew, the stalker
#########################

The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts :

- to seed hatred against scientific medicine

- to make people believe that naturopath stuff works

- to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged
band-waggon of naturopathy

- seed fear

- to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites

But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal
with critic ?

Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan
Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this
FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like :

- Jan Drew does not answer.

- Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people.

- Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion.

- Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not
have seen their critic.

Mr. [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] has blown that foul
defence to pieces by using
new names and email addresses every other day.

- Jan Drew insults.

- Jan Drew lies.

- Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he
criticises that

"Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family"

the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan
Drew :

On 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Why Is Richard H Jacobson Obsessed wth Jan?
Message-ID: <20031226203627.14167.00001857@mb-m28.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:331954

I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's
obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to
demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new
as he has a long pattern of the same with others.
Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and
Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich
believes Jan has PN but not MP.

So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I
would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession.

Wonder why he lies about his name?

Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions?

Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a
nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that)

Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads
nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally.
Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He
must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he
must settle for just watching.

I caution people not to trust the
perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has
used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their
medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while
he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill
and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by
using their husband.

I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close
relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him.
Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive
to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem,

The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his
psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even
consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child.

So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to
deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he
transferees them to others.

So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing
others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked
out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with
others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes.
His seems to be incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the
failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP.

Wonder why he nuked his posts??

Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about
whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he
still yacking about it three years later??

Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life??

Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen
to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED
at running her off, like he did so many.

Jan

PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting
out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing
to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage.
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

..
</quote>

Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you
the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew.

Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the
victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and
claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker.

You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan
Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together...

Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 +
1 together...

15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
########################################

These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew
insults other participants in the news-groups :

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT
References: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
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Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:338832

>Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 2/20/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>You are walking lie
>http://www.medford.co.za/articles/Am...ry%20detox.doc
>Anth
>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in

Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose.

Jan
</quote>

16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
################################################## ############

Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion.

(I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that,
by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.)

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
Message-ID: <npscrvgnq2sd0ojuk6qkrcthcplg1hj4fq@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT

As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew
who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning
secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams
saved her life.

But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to
deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she
actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness
(peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying
obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in
Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to
psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated
the mercury poisoning).

Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER OWN WORDS that the reason she went from
thinking that she was dying of mercury poisoning one day and feeling
better than she had the next day within hours of having some amalgams
removed was completely due to relief. Now I will allow Jan Drew to
tell you her in own words that her improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet

[QUOTE, mounted]
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>
>>Jan

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=199...&output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Any comments on this explanation for allergy? (yes, of course

Date: 1999/06/18
Message-ID: <19990618194417.11038.00000497@ng-fm1.aol.com>#1/1
References: <Hgva3.195$301.690@nntpserver.swip.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: alt.health.dental-amalgam
X-Admin: news@aol.com

>Hi Zugumba,
>
>You wrote:
>>Actually, Joel is perfectly correct as far as things go in the US.
>
>You think he never sent a patient with a cold home to avoid catching it?
>
>>dentist can lose his license for treating a systemic illness
>
>What is really a systemic illness. Is that a disease that hits all systems
>in the body or ' just ' a local condition with systemic (general) symptoms?
>Or even one, or a few, distant symptoms? What is it really?
>
>In most cases it is the latter. And as dentists, even in the States, we
>cannot avoid affecting the body conditons when treating mouth conditions.
>The mouth IS a part of the body. And in many cases also the body's mirror.
>
>>If Joel determined that a patient was suffering from a migraine and not a
>>dental abscess, his job stops there. He then is obligated to refer the
>>patient to a neurologist.
>
>Okay, Let's say it is rather diffuse oro-facial pain. What would you do?
>
>>Similarly, removing amalgam restorations to treat a systemic illness
>>(like multiple sclerosis) is considering treating an illness out of the
>>scope of dental practice.
>
>What you really are talking about is indications. Id est; for what purpose
>the dental treatment is performed. Sofar teeth are treated for the reason
>of teeth, yes. One day (and it is emerging) dentists will learn that what
>they do to one part of the body may effect other parts. I am not saying
>that dental amalgam is the sole cause of MS. There are far closer relations
>between classical systemic diseases and dental treatment, for exaple;
>an aggrevated heart condition due to dental treatment, increased arterio-
>sclerotic plaque formation, etc (not to mention all the iatrogenous TMJ:s)
>
>>After a certain point the patient has to be turned over to the correct
>>medical practitioners to finish the job or to follow-up.
>
>That's a pretty obvious statement. Anyone would agree with that. And
>it doesn't disprove what I wrote.
>
>>True, the line can be fuzzy, but most of the time it is pretty
>>clear what range of ailments a dentist in the US can treat
>
>Submandibular lymphatic adenitis? May a dentist treat that - or not? In US?
>
>Hans

I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.

If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
care of you.

He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
covered up this problem.

So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
from all over to get the work done.

I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
mercury out and the root canal pulled.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

And now the admission that this improvement was due to relief:

Here are her exact words:

[QUOTE, mounted]
>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.

>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=200...&output=gplain

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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:24:15 GMT
References: <valq4t089d9uqv0ugfnmc1g1omkk3r4nc6@4ax.com>
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Subject: Re: This skeptic's view of alt/comp
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>From: Rich {.}
>Date: 12/29/00 10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <valq4t089d9uqv0ugfnmc1g1omkk3r4nc6@4ax.com>
>

Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.

Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
That makes one FEEL BETTER.

What's so hard to understand?

I also reported I had only begun, now on to chelating the mercury from my body.
With mercury poisoning, it comes and goes, I had some pretty bad spells. I'm
still chelating Rich and will be for some time. I slowly am regaining my health
and my PN is much better. I don't have the painful periods that I once had, and
yes it was after I started taking medication.

You added a few words to what I said which *implied* that I was physicially
free from pain..........as in BANG I'm home free. That is NOT what I
meant.............and you know it.

Now do you better understand? I hope so because I feel no need to explain it
AGAIN. Please respect that I didn't have to explain AGAIN this time.

Jan
</quote>
[/QUOTE]

All the work was done??? A lie. The work was not completed until weeks
later. Jan Drew even posted that her dental work was not done until
July 11, 1999.

And now for more lies. Jan Drew told two egregious lies that were told
solely to deceive people into thinking that she really had mercury
poisoning.

The first is on June 26 ,1999 just a week after she had eight amalgams
removed. She claimed that ALL her feet pain went away and she was able
to go out line dancing because she was no longer getting a daily dose
of mercury. This is a complete lie and Jan knew it. On June 26, 1999
Jan still had more amalgams to be removed and they would not be
removed until July 11, 1999 by Jan's own admission. You see Jan has
difficulty keeping her lies straight.

But let us have Jan Drew tell us in her own words:

[QUOTE, mounted]
>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:

>> >AF says
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.

>>You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
>>that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
>>it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
>>about it.

<quote, full original>
http://www.google.de/groups?selm=199...&output=gplain

From: jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Chronic constipation
Date: 1999/06/26
Message-ID: <19990626122727.19238.00001294@ng-fl1.aol.com>#1/1
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9906261113290.23596-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
X-Admin: news@aol.com

>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:
>> >
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells
you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.

You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
about it.

>As a country musician, somehow I knew you were a line dancer. And
>that, combined with your recent attempt to smear Texas and Texans,
>explains a lot.
>
>
>AF

It does? My recent attemp to smear Texans? Now, please tell me, do you believe
that people who like line dancing are stupid? Please explain your remark. You
are a country musician, you can't see people truly enjoying themselves while
line dancing? It was the first time I have been in a long, long time. I do not
even know how, I have watched, but my feet stopped me from learning. I was so
thankful to be back and tried a few lessons, THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt! I
felt alive again. What a blessing!

Just as I thought that I knew you, you have really thrown me here. Please
explain.

Jan
[/QUOTE]

Nothing psychosomatic about it?!!?!?!?!?!?!? It was completely
psychosomatic. Jan Drew's mercury level at the time she made this
statement was the highest in her life since she had eight amalgams
removed over a two day period only a week before.

The second lie is when she posted to sci.med.dentisty that the reason
she knows that it was the mercury in her mouth that caused her health
problems was because she did not *begin* to regain her health until
*after* the mercury level dropped. Not only is this a complete lie and
Jan knows it but the complete opposite is true.

Jan Drew began to regain her health when her mercury level was the
highest in her entire life. That is right. When Jan Drew reported
dramatic improvement in her health (ie better than she felt in two
years, and being able to line dance due to all the pain gone) her
mercury level had not dropped and was likely the highest in her life
because this improvement occurred from hours to a week after her
amalgams were removed.

The reason that alternative dentists recommend slow removal of
amalgams (some as posted by Jan Drew suggest removing no more than one
amalgam every three months) is because the removal of the amalgams
results in vaporization of mercury which even with perfect protocol
will result in absorption into the body of large amounts of mercury.

So on June 18 and 19, 1999 Jan had eight amalgams removed. On June 19,
1999 Jan said she felt better than she had in two years.

On June 26, 1999 Jan said that she was able to go out line dancing
because all her foot pain was gone. Of course the pain only was gone
for a short time because it was likely a placebo effect due to her
RELIEF that the mercury was coming out of her mouth. Just like she
felt better than she did in two years due to relief (by her OWN
admission) she was able to go out line dancing a week later when the
absorption of mercury into her tissues from blood likely resulted in
the highest level in her life.

But Jan said that she knows it was the metal in her mouth because she
did not BEGIN to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level
dropped. A complete lie and the pathologic liar Jan Drew knows it.
This is why she kill filed me. This is why she lies about me being a
liar and a stalker. Jan Drew knows that I exposed her lies and she
refuses to admit it. She is a despicable human being whose sole
purpose in life is to shill for alternative dentists and to perpetuate
the lie that she had mercury poisoning from amalgams. She did not and
the proof is in her own words.

Jan Drew will not respond to any of the points in this post. Instead
she will pretend she is not reading them and then personally attack me
in order to discredit me. Just watch.

That's a wrap.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

17. The foul language of Jan Drew
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On 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

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>Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031106
>From: chuckmsrd@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
>Date: 11/6/2003 8:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>>2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
>
>>"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
>
>Wrong, and Aribert is an obsessed nut job.
>
>Chuck

True. There is no Jan Drew scam. There is no advertising from me.

Neither do I know Chuck other than by his posts here.

Jan
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On 04 Nov 2003 02:34:29 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

> The websites I post are written by DDS's MD's Ph.D researchers, people with
>actual experience, and law makers.

Jan Drew admits to post material into the net.
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This way Jan Drew is advertizing. Jan Drew just does not call it
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial does not make the advertizing no
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial shows his pathologic character.

Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his
words are rhetoric warfare.

Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew persuades people to go to
charlatans and quacks.

18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
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As you have seen above, Jan Drew DOES advertize by posting material which is
CONTRA scientific medicine and PRO naturopath mafia stuff. In the following
posting by Nana Weedkiller you see the relevant points clearly :

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"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message

> >>
> >> That's never been an issue, at least not with me. The goal is for both
> >> to work together.
> >
> >You have on several occasions specifically stated that people are turning
> >*away* from conventional medicine and using alternative medicine *in
place
> >of* it.
>
> Please do copy and paste the proof of this claim.

I thought I might help you out a little to remind you of what
you've stated. No need to thank me.

Message-ID: <20010622175838.08906.00000460@ng-fs1.aol.com>

"...when one has exhausted the
conventional route and found no answers, they turn to alternative medicine.
Many have found the answer been treated and are regaining their health. It's
called RESULTS."

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"Or one can turn to alternative medicine and find an answer,,,,,,,,,,,,and
that
is WHY one half of people are turning to alternative medicine."

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"ONE of the MAIN reasons people turn to alternative medicine, is because
conv. medicine HAS NO ANSWERS,,,,,,,,,,,,"

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"Defects of conventional medicine are just one more reason to turn to
alternative medicine, and stay OUT of hospitals."

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"Furthmore, have you any clue as to WHY people are turning to alternative??

BECASE THEY ARE DISSATIFIED WITH CONVENTIONAL MEDIC!NE!!!"

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"When conv. has no answers, it's time to turn to
alternative. Many are finding answers and treatment that is working."

Message-ID: <20010108163856.21738.00000544@ng-cp1.aol.com>

"And many times they get NO diagnoses because it isn't in the recipe book.
Many
people turn to alternative because conv. has no answers."

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"Their *real* doctor? The reason most people are turning to AM is because
their
conv. doctor has NO answers, because REAL conditions are being denied."

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"In many cases conv. medicine has no answers, that's because many *real*
diseases are denied.

People tuurn to alternative to get to the *root* of the problem."

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"You will find that most people are turning to alternative because
conventional
medicine has no answers."
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The naturopath mafiosi always invite the scientific medicine to cooperate with
them. But the naturopath mafia seeds hatred against scientific medicine
whereever possible.

There will NEVER be any kind of cooperation, as it is the naturopath mafia which
wants to rule the world ALONE, and may it cost the life of all patients.

19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew
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On 11 Oct 2003 05:35:32 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>This is truly evil.
>
>Jan

This is a report from WHO in 1997 :

http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-...MCI/fs_180.htm
<quote>
"Measles

The problem: Despite the major impact made on this disease by successful
immunization programmes, measles infects over 40 million children and kills
over 800,000 under-fives each year. That translates to 2,000 deaths of young
children every day from measles, often in association with diarrhoea and
pneumonia.
IMCI solution: Young children with measles often develop acute respiratory
infections, diarrhoea and malnutrition, and children who survive measles are
more vulnerable to other dangerous infections for several months afterwards.
Trained health workers learn to recognize the complications of measles that they
can treat and those that need rapid referral for more specialized treatment."
</quote>

What is more evil than to kill children ?

Children die. They die because they have not been vaccinated. They die because
of infections which they could have survived if they had been vaccinated.

And Jan Drew persuades people NOT to have their children vaccinated...

Jan Drew denies that he is against vaccination, but here are pieces of proof :

[long, but with reason not abridged]

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You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
after" at the end...

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.

??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
have these guys been??

The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
"Vaccination Liberation"

Their mission is:

Mission Statement:
To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
To preserve our right to abstain
To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

Perhaps they should add...to return us to the dark ages when millions died
from illneses that are now unheard of. I hear they want to bring back the
use of trephining as well! Sounds like a real forward thinking group!

next

T
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>You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
>after" at the end...

Always a smart remark of diversion.

http://proliberty.com/observer/20020608.htm

>> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
>> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.
>

>??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
>sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
>have these guys been??

No, you are wrong. The normal 24 hour urine test will not show mercury deeply
embedded in tissue.

>The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
>"Vaccination Liberation"

So???

>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

A very good mission.

Interest in eliminating all forms of mercury.

From the June 2002 Idaho Observer:
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Mercury Amalgams:

Do you still have a mouth full of them?

by Ingri Cassel

After two of my dear friends were plagued with health problems that were only
minimized by natural healing programs, it was discovered that they were both
suffering from acute systemic mercury poisoning and the main source of this
insidious poison was in their mouth.

Both of these women have a mouthful of aging mercury amalgams. It has been
shown that mercury is continually released from mercury dental fillings in the
form of mercury vapor and abraded particles.

This process is further stimulated and can be increased as much as 15-fold by
simply chewing, brushing teeth, hot drinks and even swishing your mouth with a
solution of hydrogen peroxide (used to reduce dental plaque.)

What we have been lead to believe are â€œsilverâ€? dental amalgams actually
contain 48-55 percent mercury, 33-35 percent silver and various amounts of
copper, tin, zinc and other metals. For decades the American Dental Association
has steadfastly maintained that the mercury in dental amalgams is bound to the
other metals in such a way that the mercury could not possibly escape.

However the ADA's assumption was proven wrong in 1985 when two researchers
demonstrated that the air inside a mercury amalgam filled mouth continually
contained elemental mercury vapor, and the dynamic of chewing increased this
vapor level substantially.

Mercury is extremely poisonous, accumulating over time in the various tissues
of the body, particularly the brain and kidneys. Published research from two
scientists at Utah State University shows that mercury is more toxic than lead,
cadmium and even arsenic. Even world regulatory agencies such as the World
Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the smallest amount of mercury that
will not cause damage is unknown.

In fact, the WHO recently concluded that the daily intake of mercury from
amalgam dental fillings exceeded the combined daily intake of mercury derived
from air, water and food (including fish).

In human autopsy studies it has been found that there is a direct correlation
between the amount of mercury found in the brain and the number and surfaces of
mercury fillings in the mouth. Recent scientific research has shown high levels
of mercury in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims. Furthermore,
laboratory studies of spinal fluid from both Lou Gehrig's disease and
Alzheimers's disease patients have confirmed the presence of high levels of
mercury that inhibit key brain detoxification systems.

Despite these findings, the American Dental Association and various agencies in
the U.S. government still support the use of mercury amalgam dental fillings.
They claim that they are safe based on 150 years of use and that there is no
scientific proof showing mercury exposure from dental fillings causes any known
disease.

â€œIn 1988 scrap dental amalgam was declared a hazardous waste material by the
Environmental Protection Agency... Once a doctor removes an amalgam and places
it in a tray, it once again becomes a hazardous waste material. I ask the
reader -- what is it about the mouth that makes this same item non-toxic? Or is
it possible that the mouths of some 80 percent of Americans with amalgam
fillings are in actuality toxic waste dumps?â€? ~Sandra Denton, M.D., from The
Mercury Cover-Up in the June, 1989 edition of Health Consciousness magazine.

This well referenced article also brings up the fact that dentists have the
highest suicide and divorce rate among professionals. And dental personnel have
a higher spontaneous abortion rate, a higher incidence of premature labor and
infertility, and an elevated incidence of perinatal mortality. But how do we
know this is due to the constant low levels of mercury to which they are
exposed?

This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack
of adequate diagnosis and testing available. Symptoms may vary due to
biochemical individuality. There are also different degrees of intoxication
from the same amount of mercury levels.

â€œMaryâ€? had such high levels of mercury in her system that our dentist, Dr.
Armand DeFelice, told her that he had never seen such high levels of mercury in
a person that didn't have multiple sclerosis or some other debilitating
auto-immune disorder.

Some of the more common symptoms of mercury toxicity are anemia, anorexia,
chronically low body temperature, bronchitis, colitis, high blood pressure, low
blood sugar, irritability, fatigue, gingivitis, mouth sores, bleeding gums,
headaches, visual changes, insomnia, depression, stomach pains, allergic
reactions, joint pains, trembling and loss of appetite.

The problem is that most people have several of these health problems and would
not necessarily connect it to mercury poisoning. But with at least 85 percent
of the American population having mercury amalgams in their mouth, and most of
these having at least 10 mercury amalgam fillings, the mercury link to
ill-health becomes that much more obvious.

Another reason for concern is that for the past 20 years, the most popular
mercury filling has been the â€œhigh copperâ€? amalgam that boasts 30 percent
copper. Scientific studies have proven that the new high copper fillings
release mercury (and copper) at a rate 50 times faster than the pre-1980
amalgams.

With all the media stories out now on the pervasiveness of mercury in our
environment, it is imperative that we look into our mouths since our fillings
will likely be the main source of our own mercury toxicity.

What is even more convincing is the stories of people who have had their
amalgams replaced with a more biocompatible composite. Chronic health problems
disappear and many claim there is a new level of clarity in their thinking that
they hadn't had.

But the system for removing and replacing amalgams is not a simple one. Often
the plastic composite materials used to replace the filling is nearly as toxic
to a chemically sensitive person as the mercury amalgam was.

According to Dr. DeFelice, there are over 150 different non-mercury composites
to choose from with only a fraction of them being biocompatible.

Also, the order in which the old fillings are removed is another aspect that
can create more hazards than health benefits initially. For some reason,
accepted but not totally clear, your body responds to the removal of the
fillings according to electrical charge.

Fillings are like little batteries and they generate electrical current. Some
teeth will read positive, and some negative when touched with an ammeter.
Evidently, whether the filling is pushing electrons from the filling up into
your brain, or pushing protons, it affects the body's own electrical system
when these are removed.

These are only two of the many reasons to go to a dentist who is thoroughly
trained in the art of amalgam removal. But what I consider the most important
reason to go to such a skilled dentist is the fact that they are clearly
dedicated to helping people get well through their profession.

Now that you know the deadly effects of mercury fillings and fluoride, deadly
substances that are backed by the American Dental Association, why trust and
support a dentist who uses these poisonous substances in his practice?

In a world of many options and choices, it is high time we make our choices
conscious ones.
</quote>

Says Jan Drew :

<quote>
>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:

A very good mission.
********************
</quote>

The underlign "***" in the following pieces of proof is by me :

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http://www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_teleconference.htm

The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them

Vaccines can harm, and in some cases, even kill. And at school,
vaccine requirements for admission are a serious problem that many of you,
whether parents of preschool to college students, or a college student yourself,
will face.

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" is a
professionally recorded 90-minute audio tape of an important
teleconference that I hosted on 8/24/02. The tape features a conversation
between renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and me in the first hour,
with select questions from over 600 conference participants in the second
half-hour. The tape will help you:

Discover simple, practical steps you can take to legally avoid
dangerous immunizations
Learn the difference between philosophical, religious and medical exemptions
Understand why most medical exemptions will not stand up in court
Learn pracitcal methods of improving your child's immunity so they
won't get the diseases the vaccinesare supposed to, but frequently don't,
prevent
Health care practitioners and others with a professional interest in health will
also find this tape invaluable, as your patients will benefit from this
information and you will learn the serious legal dangers you risk if you falsify
a medical exemption.

The damage vaccines inflict on individuals and society far outweighs
************************************************** *******************
any potential benefit they may claim. This is not unverifiable hype
*************************************
from the fringes. Indisputable facts support this claim. Countless
firsthand stories testify to the pain, damage and death vaccines have
caused; a powerful story from a Mother who lost her baby to routine
vaccination that is currently circulating the Internet is but one
example.

But your government, under the thumb of a traditional medical system
grown fat on extreme drug profits, refuses to expose this epidemic. They would
still have you believe vaccinations are good. They would still have you believe
vaccines for your child are "mandatory."

"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" finally
dispels the myths and helps you :

Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your
************************************************** ***************
child's body
************
Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding
vaccines
Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against
disease safely - and for life
Crucial Vaccine Insight from the Worldâ€™s Leading Authority

Most of the 150,000 readers of my free health newsletter need no
introduction to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, as she has been a contributing editor on
the vaccine issue for several years. For that matter, many people throughout
North America have likely heard of her, too, as she has offered her unparalleled
insight on vaccines on countless health programs.

Her articles, such as â€œExpert" Believes Infants Can Tolerate 10,000
Vaccines and Smallpox Vaccines and Heart Disease, No "Coincidence", gives an
idea of the range of her expertise and important insight. With â€œVaccines: What
CDC Documents and Science Reveal,â€? though, you will get all of the crucial
information you need to protect you and your loved ones. Whatâ€™s more, youâ€™ll
get it in a manner you can understand, and thatâ€™s not â€œdryâ€? but actually
engaging to watch.

If you are also interested in how and why vaccines themselves are
dangerous, you should seriously consider Dr. Tenpenny's new video, â€œVaccines:
What CDC Documents and Science Reveal.â€? You'll learn how vaccines can cause
illnesses including autoimmune diseases, allergies, ear infections, and more.
You'll discover the very real link between vaccines and developmental,
learning and behavioral disorders in children. You'll find out how and why
vaccine studies are seriously flawed. And much more: read more about Dr.
Tenpenny's vaccine video.
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>Subject: Re: New Flu vaccine for babies..
>From: [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
>Date: 10/20/02 6:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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>
>
>"Cher" <crgeorge@i-55.com> wrote in message
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>> Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our
>> immune functions.
>
>No, they do not do this. I suggest that you get some facts on this. The
>immune system is alike a muscle, the more it works the stronger it gets.
>Babies, from the instant of birth, have their immune system working very
>hard to accept al the new antigens they are experiencing.

This is an excerpt from an article published by Randall Neustaedtler,
O.M.D. titled Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System?

Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
*******************************************
profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our
nation's infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of
Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune
system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells
in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency. HIV viral
replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus vaccine.
Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals became
more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination.
Despite
these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune depleting
effect of the vaccine.

Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical
profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical
condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of
Pediatrics, explained in the Academy's News that the inclusion of this
type of information in vaccine brochures would confuse many parents
and
could even needlessly alarm them. An uninformed patient is compliant.

The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is
reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and
misinformation campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both
instances huge profits are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries.
Vaccine manufacturers cannot afford to have their product maligned in
a
public forum.

Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of
vaccines
to the public would hinder vaccine campaigns. This attitude emerged
more
than thirty years ago when Dr. Paul Meier testified before a
congressional committee concerning the polio vaccine campaign of the
1960s. It is hard to convince the public that something is good.
Consequently, the best way to push forward a new program is to decide
on
what you think the best decision is and not question it thereafter,
and
further, not to raise questions before the public or expose the public
to open discussion of the issues.

The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of
vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example,
the
ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of
paralytic polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since
then, DTP injections have caused the onset of polio disease.

In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York
to
evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic
polio and recent injections. The findings were published in the
American
Journal of Public Health. Investigators contacted the families of all
children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases
in New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A
history of vaccinations received in the previous two months was
obtained
on each child and from a group of matched controls in the same
population. Those studies discovered that children with polio were
twice
as likely to have received a DTP vaccination in the two months
preceding
the onset of polio than were the control children.

The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the
modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in the Arabian peninsula
country of Oman, DTP vaccination again caused the onset of paralytic
polio. In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24 months old contracted
paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. The report in the British
medical journal Lancet confirmed that a significantly higher
percentage
of these children had received a DTP shot within 30 days of the onset
of
polio compared to a control group of children without polio, 43
percent
of polio victims compared to 28 percent of controls. The DTP vaccine
suppresses the body's ability to fight off the polio virus.

The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist
over
an extended period of time. One study published in the Journal of
Infectious Diseases documented a long-term depressive effect on
interferon production caused by the measles vaccine. Interferon is a
chemical produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that
renders the host resistant to infection. Interferon production is
stimulated by infection with a virus to protect the body from
superinfection by some other micro-organism. In this study,
vaccination
of one-year-old infants with measles vaccine caused a precipitous drop
in the level of alpha-interferon produced by lymphocytes. This decline
persisted for one year following vaccination, at which time the
experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that measles
vaccine
produced a significant long-term immune suppression.
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Proof, again and again, that Jan Drew spreads misinformation about vaccination.

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D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race
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Mr. Rich posted a very good description of the pathological psyche of Jan Drew :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Can Jan Drew's Word Be Trusted
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On 12 Mar 2004 05:49:55 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all these quuestion, you
>asked *ME*.

If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing this??
Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan, I know you will
be reading this. You fool no one when you claim to kill file people.
You are a terrible liar.

Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.

Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles.

Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts. Then she
snips and changes meaning of posts.

Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.

Jan says that she always proves other's
lies. Then Jan does not prove other's lies.

Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears false
witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten
Commandments.

Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a Jewish man a
Jew Boy and says that lying comes second nature to Jews and that all
the jews in this newsgroup save one, lie.

Jan says she does not hate homosexuals but then she calls them queers
and homos and belittles someone for his sexual orientation.

Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she expresses hatred.

Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the biggest
judger of all.

Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to forgive.
She posts an interview with God which tells her to forgive. Jan Drew
continues to hold grudges and obsessively posts grudges from years
ago.

Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply for having a
different opinion from hers.

Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest hypocrite
(see above) of all.

Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving medicines that
only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two medications that only
cover up the problem.

Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and her life
was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows that it was relief
that made her feel better than she had in TWO YEARS!!!!

Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in two years was
because all the dental work was done. It was not done.

Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury because she did
not begin to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped.
Jan knows this is a lie as she began to regain her health when her
mercury level was likely the highest in her life.

Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line dancing a
week after some amalgams were removed was because she was not getting
a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this is a lie because she still had
some amalgams left and they would not be removed for another few
weeks.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied about this.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
two years because of what I was implying. But Jan knows I was implying
that it was a placebo response and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better
due to relief.

Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January instead of
June when she likely knew that I just made a mistake.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger, anti-semite,
homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved it with her OWN WORDS.

May God have mercy on her soul.

Aloha,

Rich

Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch.

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?
##################################

Since 1996 I maintain a web-site against dental amalgam. 99% of my time I have
to tell people what naturopath stuff is quackery. So I wrote web-pages about
what I found.

In the usenet I found a liar who calls himself Jan Drew. Who advertizes
quackery.

Jan Drew is one of many advertizing agencies which do the very same. Some months
ago a German advertizing agency was caught advertizing chlorella algae.
Estimated damage of the chlorella swindle : 1 billion US-$ per year.

The method is always the same. The result is always the same : Ill people are
ripped off. And they die.

Some months ago I got to know about a man ill with cancer. This man was ordered
by his naturopath to drink 1 litre of Noni juice per day. A bottle costs about
50 US-$. After 6 months all his money was gone and the man was dead. He had paid
estimated 9000 US-$. Calculating the normal dealers' provisions the naturopath
collected about 2000 US-$. Or more...

And the man ill with cancer is dead...

I am collecting material about Jan Drew. I want to make a web-page about his
criminal abuse of ill people.

Please contact me via

news:misc.health.alternative or news:sci.med.dentistry
*********************** *****************

A militia against the Jan Drew quack mafia !

I give 1 Dollar.

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

..

--

The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"

http://www.deathsect.com

Happy Oyster · 07-02-2010, 10:39 AM

On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

> No intelligent answer from Aribert (Yappy) Deckers, but old stuff he
>reposts again, and again.

Aha. Janet Mae Drew, the criminal stalker still doe not stop her crime.

See here, just 2 days ago:

On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>Troll, liar, filthy mouth. name caller, who cannot prove it's claims
>"Peter B." <.@.>
>
>Has a hissy fit.

Oh, oh, not again...

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Re: -- Mark S is a despicable bastard and should eliminate himself"

>On Jun 28, 2:23*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>
>There I fixed the subjet title.
>
>> On Jun 28, 9:42*am, Linda <indomitab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > For a far more lucid declaration of all the many "issues" he had with
>> > his ex-wife, * Ingrid Rungen, *see the 5 Part Complaint he filed with
>> > the Board of Medical Examiners against his ex-wife Ingrid Runden,
>> > then, *published to usenet.
>>
>> These are ancient history and resulted in nothing except to make this
>> poor woman's life a living hell for years. She made one mistake,
>> marrying that psychopath.
>>
>> You are a despicalbe bastard for bringing this up, Linda Gore, and you
>> should drop dead.
>
>Your buddies started this despicable thread. It is Off topic, and no
>one's business.
>
>Of course you don't criticize them. Wimp. Rather, you are most eager
>to trash any and all who disagree with you, or show your true colors.
>
>Now, shut up.

Janet Mae Drew, the imbecile Net stalker, does not stop. Time again to post the
warning FAQ about her.

Do note: Janet Mae Drew also is a mean racist:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 21:02:06 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 24, 11:46*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 24, 11:43*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 11:31*pm, Mark S Probert Merrick, NY
>>
>> > <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Jun 24, 11:01*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Jun 24, 5:40*pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/print.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > > > Pediatric SuperSite – Error
>> > > > The web site has encountered an error and the webmaster has been
>> > > > notified.
>> > > > Thank you for your patience as we resolve this matter.
>> > > >http://www.pediatricsupersite.com/view.aspx?rid=65843
>>
>> > Copyright © 2010 SLACK, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>>
>> quoted under fair use. Shove it.
>
>Nice way to post, Jew.

Janet Mae Drew is a racist.

Well, nothing new. She has a long record...

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:15:02 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 23, 9:12*pm, Mark Insane need to argue, disbarred lawyer,fithy
>mouth Jew, name caller,hypocrite, harasser, stalker Probert
><mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 23, 8:22*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wierdo.
>>
>> > Stupid to use myspace
>>
>> >http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>>
>> > Al Grimes
>>
>> This is, by definition, stalking.
>
>lol. No wonder Mark S Probert was disbarred.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid sociopath, who hates children so much that she
wants to destroy their right to be saved by vaccination.

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:47:41 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes, another wimps Profile"

>Al Grimes, another wimp's profile

25 minute before that, already attacked Al Grimes:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:22:03 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Al Grimes"

>Wierdo.
>
>Stupid to use myspace
>
>http://www.myspace.com/484685191
>
>Al Grimes

VERY STUPID to harass other users. Like Janet Mae Drew does.

See here:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>Note from Jan:
>
>Some of these posts are duplicates. But the honest reader will get
>the idea.

Janet Mae Drew is a bloody stupid stalker, Why so? Because she attacks a person
who is not here. And not only that, she continues her insane attacks even after
being told that fact.

More about Janet Mae Drew, the shame of the family:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

Headline: "Re: Mar S Probert is a mess and does not live up to his Jewish
training"

>Proven by his own words.
>

Janet Mae Drew is an antisemitic racist. But knew that for years, see the
following facts and FAQs:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:12:17 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 11:43*pm, Mark Probert-Drew <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 20, 11:12*pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Getting help with stalking, lying, being a hypocrite, having a
>filthy
>mouth, calling name, profanity, and thinks he is Mark Probert-Drew.

1st., this thread is about Janet Mae Drew.

2nd., Janet mae Drew is a notoric liar, stalker, harasser and forger.

See here:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:21:20 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote:

>On Jun 20, 8:08*pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > I never posted Barett was de-licensed.
>>
>> That is a damned lie.
>>
>> There is the piece of proof:
>>
>> <quote>
>> Path:
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>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> *******************************************
>> *******************************************
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
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>> 2007 03:31:41 EDT)
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>> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 07:31:41 GMT
>>
>> *Blazing Tattles Magazine * *View profile
>> * More options Nov 3 2001, 6:42 pm
>>
>> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
>> From: "Blazing Tattles Magazine" <cla...@blazingtattles.com>
>> Date: 03 Nov 2001 22:42:14 GMT
>> Local: Sat, Nov 3 2001 6:42 pm
>> Subject: The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>> Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original |
>> Report this message | Find messages by this author
>> I am just passing on the article, below, for your information. *I have not
>> personally verified the facts therein. *The article is *not* a Blazing
>> Tattles publication. *--Claire Gilbert
>>
>> ***
>>
>> The Last Days of the Quackbusters - Revisited...
>>
>> Opinion by "Consumer Advocate" Tim Bolen
>>
>> November 3, 2001
>>
>> There was a day when the "quackbusters" were a force to reckon
>> with. *But now, they've been beaten so soundly, in so many
>> places, over so many issues, that they have no credibility left.
>> They are, simply, nothing to fear. *Their teeth have been pulled.
>>
>> The court case they recently lost in California, "Homeopath
>> Smashes 'Quackpot Menace' in California," *was more than just one
>> more victory for the forces of good. * It was a MILESTONE in the
>> war against quackbuster evil.
>>
>> THE IMPORTANCE OF THE "HOMEOPATHIC" COURT CASE...
>>
>> In this current assault against health freedom by delicensed MD
>> Stephen Barrett and his minions, the National Council Against
>> Health Fraud (NCAHF), had posed as an injured Plaintiff using
>> what's called California's "Private Attorney General" law.
>> Basically, Barrett, et al, were claiming that about fifteen
>> manufacturers of Homeopathic products in the USA were
>> "fraudulently advertising" homeopathic products, asserting that
>> "homeopathy has never been scientifically proven - therefore, it
>> is fraud."
>>
>> This first case, the one decided on Hill Street in Los Angeles,
>> was filed against Frank King, and King Bio Pharmaceuticals
>> (www.kingbio.com) of Asheville, North Carolina. *Barrett rushed
>> this one to trial, I believe, thinking he could get an early
>> victory against a small manufacturer of homeopathic products -
>> and use that victory to bludgeon larger producers into cash
>> settlements.
>>
>> It didn't work. *Barrett's strategy backfired. *He, in his
>> mega-arrogance, didn't count on members of the Health Freedom
>> Movement setting up an ambush, right there on Hill Street.
>> Barrett, and his cronies, walked right into it.
>>
>> Scott Pinsky, Frank Hill's attorney in California, assembled a
>> strong defensive case, based on the simple premise that "The
>> NCAHF presented no evidence that the health discipline called
>> Homeopathy was fraudulent." *It worked. *Pinsky, during the
>> actual trial, also had the backing of famed California civil
>> litigator Carlos Negrete - a serious veteran of courtroom wars.
>> The combination crushed the NCAHF - easily. *The NCAHF really
>> didn't have a case...
>>
>> Barrett had based the whole NCAHF case on HIS OWN opinions, and
>> had used his own writings as his so-called evidence.
>>
>> SO, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CASE, WHY DID THE NCAHF PROCEED AGAINST
>> THE HOMEOPATHS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>> The answer is complex, I believe, and centers around two
>> important factors: *(1) *a desire to counter the growing number
>> of humiliating losses the "quackbusters" have been suffering,
>> around North America, at the hands of Health Freedom activists.
>> (2) *Bad leadership.
>>
>> When John Renner was still alive, he held the annual meeting for
>> the NCAHF in his home town in Missouri. *All of twenty-five
>> stalwarts showed up for the annual event. *The turn-out was so
>> pathetic, Renner had to down-size his meeting plans several
>> times. *In contrast, Health Freedom activists can put 100
>> activists into a coffee-shop meeting on two days notice - and can
>> deliver, literally, thousands of people to just come and "stare"
>> at Medical Board members during quarterly meetings - anywhere in
>> North America.
>>
>> Stephen Barrett took over management of the NCAHF after Renner
>> died - and decided to use it, I think, to bolster his own
>> "testifying business," the one he useswww.quackwatch.comto
>> promote. *Barrett runs his business out of his basement in
>> Allentown, PA. *In order for Barrett to continue to generate
>> business, he must make it appear to attorneys out there, that he
>> has a good product to offer. *His product, he claims, is
>> "anti-quackery testimony" for which he demands a significant fee.
>>
>> But Barrett's problem, and the problem of all of the so called
>> "quackbusters," is that in order to command those "significant
>> fees," he (and the others) have to have a track record of
>> "victories," an attorney can rely on. *Of late, Barrett, et al,
>> have been battered in the courtroom - with opposing attorneys
>> simply questioning their credentials. *Everybody remembers
>> "quackbuster wanna-be" Robert S. Baratz's submission of false
>> employment claims in the Phillips case in Florida - so he could
>> be paid as an "expert witness."
>>
>> Attorneys all over North America learned a few simple lessons
>> from the Baratz incident - if a "quackbuster" comes to testify,
>> FIRST carefully examine their resume claims, then lead the
>> "testifier" through cross-examination right through those "false
>> resume claims" right into a PERJURY situation. *If they want to
>> lie in a courtroom - let them do it - then exact the penalty.
>>
>> But it isn't just about lying, or misrepresenting, in a
>> courtroom. *In Barrett's case, and others, attorneys are now
>> carefully examining Barrett's personal qualifications to testify
>> AT ALL. *After all, it must be remembered that Barrett, not only
>> couldn't become Board Certified as a Psychiatrist, but he had to
>> give up his medical license for reasons he doesn't satisfactorily
>> explain, in 1993. *The obvious premise here is - if he couldn't
>> make it in the SIMPLE world of "drug prescribing" how can he
>> claim to be an expert on COMPLEX "leading edge" health
>> disciplines?
>>
>> Attorneys, all over North America, have been asking just those
>> types of questions of Barrett, et al. *And Barrett doesn't have
>> satisfactory answers - ones that would satisfy Judges and juries.
>> Attorneys who previously counted on Barrett, et all, *to make
>> their case, have been finding out, the hard way, that Barrett
>> can't stand and deliver. *The message now is "If Barrett is your
>> 'expert witness' you are going to lose your case."
>>
>> The bottom line here, is that Barrett needed, what he thought
>> would be, a "slam dunk" to restore his previous reputation as an
>> "expert witness who can win cases." * He didn't get it. *In fact,
>> on Hill Street, he got the opposite.
>>
>> NOW, BARRETT'S GOT REAL PROBLEMS WITH HIS OWN PEOPLE...
>>
>> Barrett, and others, had touted this attack against the
>> Homeopaths, and others in California, as the quackbuster's return
>> to prominence in the field of Health Policy. *His plan fizzled
>> miserably. *Now, I think, Barrett has credibility issues with the
>> whole "quackbuster" membership.
>>
>> He simply can't deliver...
>>
>> Tim Bolen
>> JuriMed - Public Relations and Research Group
>> jurim...@yahoo.com
>> </quote>
>>
>> .
>>
>> --
>>
>> * * *The "Meta-Mediciners", a deadly sect disguised as "medicine"
>>
>> * * * * * * * * * * *http://www.deathsect.com
>
>No, it not a lie. Tim Bolen, and IIena posted that.Try to keep up,
>long winded Yappy.

To say it is plain words: Janet Mae Drew is a swine.

Even if shown her very own words she denies having posted them.

This is the beginning of the header of HER post:

>> <quote>
>> Path:
>> g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!out03b.usenets erver.com!news.usenetserv*er.com!in04.usenetserver .com!news.usenetserver.com!newscon02.news.prodigy. n*et!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodig y.com!postmaster.news.prodi*gy.com!newssvr12.news. prodigy.net.POSTED!6c044f75!not-for-mail
>>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
##############################################
>> Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative
>> References: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> In-Reply-To: <fbd6da$52v$1@news.datemas.de>
>> Subject: Re: Leonard Haimes MD *Reprimanded in Florida

Clear for all to see: This post was sent by Janet Mae Drew.

Janet Mae Drew is a criminal sociopath. There are THOUSANDS of pieces of proof
to show in court that Janet Mae Drew is a Net stalker, a nasty, mean, ugly
sociopath.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Fact: The pastor says, he does not know her. That is for sure...

FAQ about JAN DREW, the Net stalker and agent for the naturopathic mafia
================================================== ======================

Part V
======
19.4.2010

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
2. The history of Jan Drew
3. Where is Jan Drew?
4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
She erases her traces.

1. The 3rd Jan Drew shows up. Who is he?
========================================

Yesterday, on July 15th., 2009, Jan Drew used this email address:

"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

today, a Jan Drew shows up and makes the very same mess as the Jan Drew before.

The question is: Is this new Jan Drew the very same as the old one?

Have a look at this header of a posting by the old Jan Drew:

<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
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[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
news:598f2214-9713-4260-b3e6-2970dcad8ef3@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 13, 9:48 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
</quote>

The old Jan Drew posts from the IP

X-Trace: nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

The new Jan Drew with the email address

Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

posts from this IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
*************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: TURNABOUT IS FAIR PLAY
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <b2ae85b9-c00d-4ade-8e32-4baa930a2bff@r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.93.194
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247775941 27518 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2009 20:25:41
GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:25:41 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=70.239.93.194;
************************************************** ***********************

posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP
User-Agent: G2/1.0
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Gecko/20090624 Firefox/3.5 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

Oh, dear [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is shouting
again. You should be careful. Remember you
will be 64 in November of this year.
Regardless of all your antics to prove otherwise. The fact is you
posted your birthday.

On Jul 15, 11:27*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> For years Jan has felt it is her right to report anyone she wishes to
> their ISP or email provider.
>
> She has now claimed that she has reported me.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> I am asking everyone who is fed up with this disgusting person's
> actions to report her to her ISP: Make it so that they will do
> something because they are working too hard dealing with complaints
> about her.
>
> It is time to stop her.
>
> Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.google.c om!
> news.glorb.com!nlpi057.nbdc.sbc.com!prodigy.net!fl ph199.ffdc.sbc.com!
> prodigy.com!nlpi071.nbdc.sbc.com!flpi146.ffdc.sbc. com.POSTED!6c044f75!
> not-for-mail
> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> Newsgroups:alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,a lt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
> References: <2Tv5m.13822$Dx2.10481@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com>
> <4a56c91...@news.x-privat.org>
> <5887315b-4039-4968-96b4-690ef356c...@k20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.76.216.180
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net
> X-Trace: flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com 1247712809 ST000 68.76.216.180 (Wed, 15
> Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT)
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:53:29 EDT
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> [YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:01:45 -0400
>
> I suggest you read your terms of service
> At Gmail.com,Optimum.net, cv.net, and google.com

You are not fooling me, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years].
I happen to know you reported
me several days ago.
And, what does Torah say about turnabout is fair play?
</quote>

So we have:

From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:25:41 -0700 (PDT)

but about an hour later, with the same email address another IP shows up:

From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)

See this piece of proof:

<quote>
From: Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>
**********************************************

Newsgroups:
alt.support.attn-deficit,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids. health
Subject: Re: ADHD Drugs Proven Absolutely Useless for Children - Plus, They
Stunt Growth
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT)
**********************************************

Organization: http://groups.google.com
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<a6427afd-254c-44e3-9bd9-4d96bce8881a@o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
<a9086444-5e6e-4267-89be-6ee0f5cf2cb8@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
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Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;
************************************************** *********************
posting-account=OFeWnQoAAABbB1i9TveLsH6hCiYooPyP

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spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com[400C700B] (Prism/1.2.1)

On Jul 12, 7:01*pm, [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:48*am, bosco62a <bosco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
</quote>

This is the IP:

Injection-Info: r2g2000yqm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.12.112.11;

So we see that

Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

also uses this IP from AOL:

<quote>
IP Information for 64.12.112.11

IP Location: United States Reston America Online Inc
Resolve Host: spider-mtc-ta11.proxy.aol.com
IP Address: 64.12.112.11
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****America*Online,*Inc.*
OrgID:******AMERIC-158
Address:****10600*Infantry*Ridge*Road
City:*******Manassas
StateProv:**VA
PostalCode:*20109
Country:****US
</quote>

AOL is the very same provider which Jan Drew #1 used.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. The history of Jan Drew
==========================

This new Jan Drew is #3 as Jan Drew #1 was the one with the AOL account.

#1. jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)
#2. "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>
#3. Jan Drew <drewjan43@gmail.com>

I looked at the profiles of Jan Drew #1 and Jan Drew #2:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 423

</quote>

As you can see: The old account at AOL still is used, but less often.

Here you can see the activities of Jan Drew #3:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...5xS36mXc24h6ww

------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Where is Jan Drew?
=====================

In an old posting I found the word "Bloomington", which made me curious. So I
tried to find more about it.

This I now found with the word "bloomington":

http://www.theangelconnection.net/school9.html

<quote>
2433) Bill Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
2434) Jan Drew, Bloomington, Indiana
</quote>

I also found this:

<quote>
LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Drew

Drew, Jan L, 63, Cheyenne, WY.
Drew, Jana Brittain, 45, Wilmington, NC.
Drew, Janelle L, 36, Sublette, IL.
Drew, Janet B, 70, Bloomington, IN ...
***************************************
www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/jan-drew.html

LookupAnyone.com - People Directory - Jan Harper
Harper, Jan L, 84, Loveland, CO. Harper, Jan Drew, 53, Fairview, NC ...
Harper, Jan E, 54, Cincinnati, OH. Harper, Jan, Bloomington, IN ...
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelist...an-harper.html
</quote>

Well, Bloomington turns out to be a town in Indiana.

The WHOIS for the IP of Jan Drew #2 (which actually is Jan Drew #3)

gives for (see above!)

nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com 1247630893 ST000 70.239.89.125 (Wed, 15 Jul 2009

this result:

<quote>
IP Information for 70.239.89.125
IP Location: United States Bloomington AT&T Internet Services
************************************************** ************

Resolve Host: adsl-70-239-89-125.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net
************************************************** *******
IP Address: 70.239.89.125
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName:****AT&T*Internet*Services*
OrgID:******SIS-80
Address:****2701*N.*Central*Expwy*#*2205.15
City:*******Richardson
StateProv:**TX
PostalCode:*75080
Country:****US
NetRange:***70.224.0.0*-*70.239.255.255*
CIDR:*******70.224.0.0/12*
NetName:****SBCIS-SIS80
NetHandle:**NET-70-224-0-0-1
Parent:*****NET-70-0-0-0-0
NetType:****Direct*Allocation
NameServer:*NS1.AMERITECH.NET
NameServer:*NS2.AMERITECH.NET
Comment:****
RegDate:****2005-03-22
Updated:****2007-05-25
OrgAbuseHandle:*ABUSE6-ARIN
OrgAbuseName:***Abuse*-*Southwestern*Bell*Internet*
OrgAbusePhone:**+1-800-648-1626
</quote>

Bloomington, Indiana.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Bloomington, Indiana - what a town...?
=========================================

Searching with

Jan Drew Blomington

one hit is this:

<quote>
Recently Visited Groups | Help | Sign in
misc.health.alternative

Message from discussion Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut
up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE EN TEA Award

View parsed - Show only message text

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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
******************************************

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.support.breast-implant
References:
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<e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To:
<e6169a9d-670c-4443-8646-eab425aa66b0@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re:
Debbee/Deborah Annie Adams either Put up or Shut up!--Jan Drew wins the SEA EWE
EN TEA Award
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X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net
X-Trace: nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com 1215143201 ST000 70.239.91.212 (Thu, 03 Jul 2008
23:46:41 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:46:41 EDT
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:46:08 -0400

You, Deborah Annie Adams first wrote:

Jan:

Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"
it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me
that are not truthful in nature.

I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the
group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are
laughing at you.

Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
amongst those that are "in the know."

I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would
appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic
mouth.

Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
vocabulary.

Got it? I hope so.

And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part
of my name.

Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer
reading.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:5fb276c9-4492-466d-8f55-fbc7afb4a5fb@t12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> Jan:

Yes, Debbee?

OrgName: Netscape Communications Corp.
OrgID: NSCP
Address: 501 E. Middlefield
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US

NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255
CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18
NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR
NetHandle: NET-207-200-64-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS.NETSCAPE.COM
NameServer: NS2.NETSCAPE.COM
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1996-09-06
Updated: 2001-03-28

RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN
RTechName: America Online, Inc.
RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670
RTechEmail: doma...@aol.net

> Since it would appear that you always have to be "right,"

Oh, really?

*would appear*, why don't you just speak up?

> it would appear that you can not admit that you invented some stories about me that are not truthful in nature.

I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******

> I sent you a "cease and desist" letter from this email address.

NO, you did not. In fact you sent me an email form SNIFFFTHIS,
and used the name Annie, then signed it B.

> I only came back to post (I still get all of the emails from the group) and make it very perfectly clear that you
> have no clue of what you are discussing about me, and those that do, are laughing at you.
> Would you rather be, "right," in your own mind, or look foolish
> amongst those that are "in the know."
> I'm no longer reading this newsgroup, and came back when yet again, you would appear to be a few sandwiches short of a full picnic,
> and I will not longer tolerate the garbage that is spewing from your toxic mouth.
> Leave my name out of your discussions. Lose my name from your
> vocabulary.
> Got it? I hope so.
> And by the way, Annie is a nickname that some people call me because it is part of my name.

lol. I thought you said you were not Annie?

> Just because I am no longer posting, does not mean I am no longer reading.

lol. Poor Debbee:

*I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
Get help.

Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post.
And......................
Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee. Got
that?

Debbee A Adams do NOT email me again using different names, and a bit of history

From Dbeesti...@aol.com Sat Jun 21 01:21:49 2008
X-Apparently-To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net via 209.191.85.222; Sat, 21 Jun 2008
01:21:56 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [64.12.137.9]
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From: Dbeesti...@aol.com Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Message-ID: <d64.27777f10.358e1...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:21:49 EDT
Subject: "Cease and Desist"
To: jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net
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June 21, 2008

This written to advise you to "cease and desist" from discussing me, and
libeling me any further than you have. I'm tired of you posting about
untruthful information about me, and Annie is one of my names.

I have proof that my computer was hacked into, and hacked into people connected
to Quackwatch. All you are doing is making a bigger fool out of yourself than
you already have. Bob Kulacz, and Tim Bolen have copies of the emails I sent.
The windows portion of my Mac Book was hacked into, and I'm no longer on
Wireless. I am on dial-up.

You have no idea of what you are talking about.

You falsely accused me of (Bob Kulacz forwarded me the emails) of going to
California to stalk Ilena, that I had joined the gang, and that you didn't trust
me. This was entire fairy tale that you and Ilena made up, and I'm sorry that
you feel that anyone that doesn't agree with you is a LIAR, but you have
libelled me for the last time. It will not happen again. I am no longer
posting there and there is no further need to discuss me.

Ask your attorney to explain what "LIBEL" is. Calling someone a liar just
because you don't happen to believe them, is libel.

And there are two J. Drew's. It was even pointed out by another poster in the
group.

Thank you.

Deborah Annie Adams
--------------------------------------------

OOPs, note is is now J. Drew and not Jan Drew's

Now, let's see what both Myrl Jeffcoat and Coleah Ayres has to say about Debbee

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/8239d7e6a3...

Oct 27, 2007

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:52:42 -0000
Local: Sat, Oct 27 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

You have contacted my employer which goes outside the bounds of civil behavior
one Usenet. I consider you to be a stalker and abuser.
Therefore, I will no longer respond to you except to post this
message.

YOU ARE HEREBY PLACED ON NOTICE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO CONTACT ME IN THE SLIGHTEST
MANNER. YOU ARE NOT TO CONTACT ANYONE ABOUT ME. TO DO SO WILL JUSTIFY MY TAKING
FURTHER ACTION, WHEN, WHERE AND WHAT AS I SEE FIT.

On Oct 27, 12:16 am, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 4:37 pm, Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > For a list of the actual webpages created by Ilena Rosenthal, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com/ilenawebpages.html
> > For the Truth and the Facts surrounding Ilena Rosenthal and her foundation, please visit:
> >http://www.ilena-rosenthal.com
> I ran Ilena Rosenthal's name through a bunch of databases. I also called the DRE. Ilena Rosenthal has a license through the DRE, as do you, Myrl Jeffcoat. Have you done anything Myrl or Ilena that would violate the code ethics of the licenses you have?? I'm kind of curious to find out if something I read a while back has any truth attached to it. I have read where fans of celebrities have started websites using the celebrities names in the website address, and the celebrities have successfully been able to have those websites removed because the fan was using a name other than their own in the web address, and without permission.

------------------------------------

Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.

However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/948ed26ada...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Coleah <col...@pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:56:27 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

DEBBEE SAID: "Apparently you have nothing better to do, some of us work for a
living. Some of us have real lives."

>From the mouth of (2nd from left) blonde:

Debbee A Adams (54)
San Carlos, CA and Milton, WA
http://www.louielouie.net/pix-2007/l...a-jeff-rfs.jpg

I am very happily RETIRED from working.
But, thank you for your 'unusual concern' about how I spend MY time. You
wouldn't have been 'baiting' to learn who my 'employer' was, so you could
complain about me, were you?????? Chortle, chortle,
chortle.

[Apparently DEBBEE has nothing better to do (while she's 'working' so hard for a
living) than to search the internet looking for some kind of 'dirt' on people.
The best she could do with me was find a
reference to a store I previously owned.]

Is that YOUR 'real life', DEBBEE?
Certainly writing for little known rag called 60's Beat can't be all you do to
pay the rent.

>From a few previous poster's mentioning something about DEBBEE and a

lawsuit....I got the impression DEBBEE had sued Mark Lindsey of Paul Revere and
the Raiders. Alas it appears was the other way around. Funny how she denied any
knowledge of it however.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/536569d0bf...

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative, alt.support.breast-implant
From: Myrl <wisgroup_lea...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:53 -0000
Local: Tues, Oct 23 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: To MYRL and ILENA

On Oct 23, 2:33 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 9:56 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> I know nothing of what you are speaking about.
> I'm not the editor of any publication.
> I do not live in Milton, WA or San Carlos, CA
> There goes your credibility, Coleah right down the tube.
> Deb Adams is not even my real name.

So then Debbee - when you contacted corporate GMAC in the last couple of days,
to complain about me, you are saying you lied about your
name???

---------------------------------------
On Oct 23, 4:43 pm, "SNIFFFT...@gmail.com" <SNIFFFT...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Oct 23, 3:50 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> It is *not your business*, Miss Busy Body, of *who* I am, *what* I do for a living, and *where* I live. Nor is *your business* what I am even
> doing here. This is the Usenet, and ANYONE can post here, for any reason. Got it? Good. Mind your own business, and I'll mind mine.

Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!

I can understand why you would wish to come out from under a rock to do your
business, and then slither right back under again, once you've done your
reptilian handiwork!

You appear to be just another "free speech" hypocrite.

"BeeStings" <dbeesti...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:572e071b-2610-4d60-b4e5-9f45ceae2b93@r37g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

> Jan Drew wrote:

>> lol. Poor Debbee:

>> *I'm no longer reading this newsgroup*.
>> Get help.

>> Now, I will in fact post the email you sent me in another post. And......................
>> Don't even think about telling me what to do, post, or--otherwise, Debbee.
>> Got that?

> It would appear that you need professional help in dealing with your abusive behavior.
> Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not give you the absolute
> right to abuse others. Nor does it give you any special privileges to post lies about people you do not even know.

> If you do not know where to turn for professional help; I suggest contacting your doctor and asking for referrals.
> You are the one that needs help, not me.

> I think it would be in your best interest to remove the post you just made.

> Thank you.

It DOES appear, not *would* that YOU Deborah Annie Adams need professional help.
You have NEVER proven a single one of your false accusations. Nor--have you
proven you KNOW
there are two Jan Drew's posting on any of the same groups *I* Jan Drew post on.

There has been no abusive behavior towards you for me.
Your words:

* Just because someone has abused you in the past, or present, does not

give you the absolute
right to abuse others.*

And, just who would that be? Where did that come from?
It DOES appear, you do not know what you are posting about

So much for libel.
Now, either put up or shut up!

Create a group - Google Groups - Google Home - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy
©2009 Google
</quote>

Jan Drew in another case of Net stalking, as in unknown other cases before and
later.

What did Jan Drew write?:

<quote>
I have nothing to admit, since I did NOT invent any stories about you, Debbee
************************************************** ***************************
Adams.
******
</quote>

That is fine because I did not invent any stories about Jan Drew. I only
followed this figure and archived material...

Jan Drew also wrote:

<quote>
Follow that thread. You will see Debbee Adams--Snifffthis has nuked her posts.
However, she evidently cannot nuke her profile.
</quote>

Jan Drew does not seem to know what a boomerang is...

------------------------------------------------------------------------

5. Jan Drew in Bloomington, Indiana
===================================

Jan Drew claims to have owned a children day care center. But one of the many
things which Jan Drew refused to ever prove was this. Jan Drew even refused to
prove that he/she is female.

Well, looking for Jan Drew Bloomington reveiled many details.

Like this one:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551
<quote>
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired
Bloomington, Indiana Area Research
Current
Owner at rtired
Connections

0 connections
Public Profile
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...mt.php?sto_uri
=L3N0b3JpZXMvMjAwOC8wNi8yNS9uZXdzLnFwLTkxNDQwMjYuc 3Rv&start=24

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

And this one:

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycit...mington/page/3
<quote>
Complaints in Bloomington, Indiana
==================================

Intelius
Posted: 2008-05-28 by Janet [send email]

Credit card not credited
Complaint Rating:
Talked with Carmen. All charges were to be credited. Conformation # 12056098.

$4.95 of 5-14-08 has not been credited. Do so immediately.

Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
***************************
</quote>

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!!
*****************

<quote>
Janet Drew
Reply to jdrew63929@aol.com...
</quote>

In may 2008 Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana, used the email address

jdrew63929@aol.com

That is exactly the very same as Jan Drew #1 used:

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...l47z4AZhN98BFg

That is for Jan Drew's old account at AOL.

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

6. The second marriage of Janet Mae Stidd
=========================================

Jan Drew posts as "Jan Drew", but is that really her name? How about Janet or
Janice?

Remember of of the search engine hits above?

<quote>
My daughter Jacque Nelson...
</quote>

Search engines love that... ;O)

And they dig out precious little details ... like this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
318 3 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]{ M } Father:
--- | 5461 Charles Thomas Stidd (DOB: 12/21/1881) [DOD: 00/00/1957] Mother: 311
| 5460 Lorene Sluss (DOB: 03/16/1885) [DOD: 00/00/1939] Spouse/SO: --- | 16325
Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)
SO's father: --- | 16336 Clarence E. Selzer (DOB: abt. 00/00/1890) [DOD:
12/21/1979]
SO's mother: --- | 16337 Erslie Woelflin
Children
319 | 16326 Dr. Benton Maurice Stidd (DOB: 06/30/1936)
324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
**********************************************
327 | 16335 Dr. Raymond Edward Stidd (DOB: 01/31/1938)

Born: Monroe Cty., IN

Documentation (birth): + Index to Monroe County, Indiana Birth Records 1882-1920
(re: Book H-8, p 297). Hays shows the year as 1914.

Died: Ellettsville, Richland Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Buried: Valhalla Memory Gardens, Bloomington, Bloomington Twp., Monroe Cty., IN

Obituary: Benjamin David Stidd, 84
May 18, 1916 - Feb. 6, 2001
ELLETTSVIlLE - Benjamin David Stidd, age 84, of Ellettsville, died Tuesday at
his residence.
He was born May 18, 1916, in Monroe County, the son of Charles and Lorena
(Sluss) Stidd. He was a 1934 graduate of Bloomington High School, and was a
retired contractor and well-known farmer residing in the Bean Blossom bottom
area of Monroe County most of his life. He was active in the Stinesville Parent
Teachers Association and was its president from 1954 to 1956. During World War
II, he was involved in the construction of Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the
Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a similar facility in Evansville, and
finally finished his service at the Crane Naval Station in construction of
military facilities. He was a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and
served in several
capacities as deacon and elder. He was married to Alma Mae Selzer of Bloomington
in 1934, and she remains. Other survivors include three children, Dr. Benton M.
Stidd of Liberty Hollow Road, a retired professor from Western Illinois
University, Dr. Raymond E. Stidd of Nashville, a retired Columbus podiatrist,
and a daughter, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of Happy Day Care
************************************************** ************************
Center;
*******
three sisters, Martha Collins and Velma Hall of Bloomington and Jenny Name of
Ellettsville; 11 grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. He was preceded in
death by three brothers, Farwell Stidd, Leon Stidd and Lester Stidd, and two
sisters, Louise Richardson and Freda Bain.
Funeral service will be 1 p.m. Friday at Day Mortuary Chapel. Burial will be at
Valhalla Memory Gardens Mausoleum. Friends may call at Day Mortuary from 5-8
p.m. on Thursday. Friends who wish may make memorial
contributions to the scholarship fund of the Stinesville Alumni
Association.

Addresses: Ellettsville, RichlandTwp., Monroe Cty., IN

Military Service: During World War II, he was involved in the construction of
Camp Atterbury in Columbus, the Allison Plant in Indianapolis, as well as a
similar facility in Evansville, and finally finished his service at the Crane
Naval Station in construction of military facilities.

Employment/Professions: Farmer

Education: Bloomington High School (Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN) *High School*
1934

Religion: Seventh-day Adventists
********************************

Documents:Obituary
Herald-Times (Bloomington, IN), 2/7/2001

Notes: From obituary.

THD 22124
</quote>

and this:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...Richardson.htm

<quote>
324 4 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939) { F }
************************************************** *
Father: 318 | 6732 Benjamin David Stidd (DOB: 05/18/1916) [DOD: 02/06/2001]
Mother: --- | 16325 Alma Mae Selzer (DOB: 10/22/1916)

Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** ********

SO's father: --- | 16330 Don Nelson
SO's mother: --- | 16331 Anna Bell Jones

Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
SO's father: --- | 16333 James F. Drew

SO's mother: --- | 16334 Grace Small
Children
325 | 16767 Jeffery Lynn Nelson (DOB: 11/17/1958)
326 | 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960)
************************************************

Addresses: Bloomington, Monroe Cty., IN As of: 02/07/2001

Notes: From the Stidd/Sluss Family record and her father's obituary. +From Tommy
Hays' notes.

THD 114382
</quote>

All the pieces fit together.

First, marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
</quote>

which makes the children have the family name Nelson.

The second marriage with

<quote>
Spouse/SO: --- | 16332 James William Drew (DOB: 03/29/1935)
************************************************** *********
</quote>

makes Janet Mae Nelson, nee Stidd, Janet Drew of Bloomington, retired owner of
Happy Day Care Center.

The details of that:

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html

<quote>
James William "Bill" Drew
**************************
M, #I4836, Born: [private]
Father:: James Franklin Drew, Born: 19 January 1916
Mother:: Grace Lorraine Small, Born: 29 January 1917, Died: 19 January 1995
Birth: 28 March 1935 Washington, Daviess County, Indiana
Family:

Marriage: 1 : Peggy Ann Ramage Married: 24 March 1954, Born: [private]
Mary Beth Drew, Born: 23 May 1954, Died: 24 May 1954
William Franklin Drew, Born: 21 August 1957, Died: 30 April 1958
+ Cheryl Ann Drew, Born: [private]
James David Drew, Born: [private]
Susan Elaine "Susie" Drew, Born: [private]

Marriage: 2 : Janet Mae Stidd Married: 25 November 1970, Born: [private]
************************************************** *****
Last Updated: 05 March 2008
</quote>

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/p97.html#I4846
<quote>
Janet Mae Stidd
***************
F, #I4846, Born: [private]
Father:: ?
Mother:: ?
Birth: 16 March 1938
Family:

Marriage: 1 : James William "Bill" Drew Married: 25 November 1970, Born:
************************************************** ****************
[private]
Last Updated: 14 May 2001
</quote>

One more detail:

http://www.lookupanyone.com/search-s...earchform=name
<quote>
Janet M Drew
************
View Details
70 Bloomington, IN (3)
************************************
Spencer, IN (1)
Lutz, FL (1) James Drew
J B Drew
Jan Drew
Bill J Drew
</quote>

"70" is her age, which matches with the other parts in the mosaic.

You remember the memorial?:

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...uc3Rv&start=24
<quote>
Janet Drew
Thursday, June 26, 2008: 6:23 pm
More from 'Janet Drew' God Bless Leon. He is no longer in pain.
My daughter Jacque Nelson brought Hinkles from him.
*************************
I got to know him. He hadn't felt well for some time. Larrry (his son) and wife
Joan took him to their
home in Florida. So happy he was with them when he passed away.
He will never be forgotten by any here in Bloomington who knew and loved him.
************************************************** ***

Rest in peace, Leon.
</quote>

Well, there is the counterpart:

http://www.wyandotteenterprises.com/...dson.htm#16768
<quote>
326 5 16768 Jacque Ann Nelson (DOB: 10/22/1960) { F }
***********************************************

Father: --- | 16329 Jack Leroy Nelson (DOB: 07/07/1936)
************************************************** *****

Mother: 324 | 16328 Janet Mae Stidd (DOB: 03/16/1939)
************************************************** ***
</quote>

Through all the years since the beginning of the logs of

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

Jan Drew pestered the net:

jdrew63929@aol.com (JDrew63929)

<quote>*
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
1999 - - 191 99 54 223 289 260 203 359 297 192
2000 109 276 414 249 461 628 384 284 191 60 416 626
2001 534 152 572 297 677 430 715 621 281 278 392 599
2002 788 481 343 390 508 718 666 643 655 874 561 954
2003 621 866 932 646 629 746 539 593 595 500 521 569
2004 459 692 958 716 749 524 694 1045 784 1007 1151 977
2005 480 1143 206 - - - - 5* - - - 2*
2006 *3* *7* 10 157 *6* 13 21 *3* 21 43 *5* 24
2007 74 37 - *5* - 5* *2 * - *1* - - -
2008 *9* - - - 21 - - - - - - -
</quote>

This is for "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net>

http://groups.google.de/groups/profi...1-9oWMCTqaiMrA

<quote>
Posting-Aktivität

Jan. Feb. Mrz. Apr. Mai Jun. Jul. Aug. Sep. Okt. Nov. Dez.
- .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2006 - 157 2293 1921 1837 2092 2273 1865 1797 2453 1600 1042
2007 475 357 406 523 561 490 370 287 326 435 798 552
2008 942 1346 892 1006 579 1076 742 877 451 555 383 424
2009 909 691 585 345 861 835 160
</quote>

Jan Drew gives medical advice, which, if followed, can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.

Jan Drew lies, Jan Drew forges, Jan Drew seeds hatred, Jan Drew makes MASSIVE
advertising for the naturopathic mafia.

And: Jan Drew abuses the name of god.

TEN YEARS NOW.

And Jan Drew, despite all kind or tough pleas NOT to stalk people, continues
with here criminal behavior.

I think that TEN YEARS really is enough time that has been given to her to
stop. And now, there definitely is an end.

Janet Mae Stidd, married to Mr. Drew on 25th, november, 1970, living in
Bloomington, Indiana, do cease and desist your crimes!

In the matter of Jan Drew abusing the name of god another detail shows up: the

Seventh Day Adventist Church
301 E Matlock Rd
Bloomington, IN
(812) 332-5025

In its gone web-site they have some strong words concerning their being so very
special:

http://web.archive.org/web/200312230...g/handbook.htm

<quote>
Home | Up | Feedback | Contents | Search

ACA Handbook Excerpts

Purpose

Aims & Objectives

Requirements for Admission

PURPOSE

In a state in which public schools offer excellent educational
opportunities at public expense, a private school should have a special reason
for its existence.
Adventist Christian Academy , with the unique standards and
************************************************** *********
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************

Christian principles, as practiced by Seventh-day Adventists, have first place
in determining the policies of Adventist Christian Academy .

The following quotation defines the Seventh-day Adventist concept of Christian
education: “True education means more than the pursuit of a certain course
of study. It means more than a preparation for the life that now is. It has to
do with the whole being and with the whole period of existence possible to man.
It is the harmonious development of the physical, the mental, and the spiritual
powers. It prepares the student for the joy of service in this world, and for
the higher joy of wider service in the world to come.” Education, p. 13.

Seventh-day Adventists sincerely believe that Christ is coming literally to this
earth to claim His own, but before He comes, the gospel is to be taken into all
the world. “With such an army of workers as our youth, rightly trained,
might furnish, how soon the message of a
crucified, risen, and soon-coming Savior might be carried to the whole
world.” Education, p. 271. Adventist Christian Academy begins the
training of its youth in this high responsibility.

Adventist Christian Academy offers grades K through 8 of formal education.
Our school provides a state-approved curriculum and is supervised and
accredited through the Education Department of the Indiana Conference of
Seventh-Day Adventists.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

“And Jesus increased in wisdom¼”

Skills and Knowledge -- To teach the value and necessity of the mental habits
of application and concentration. To provide the acquisition of common skills
and knowledge essential to scholastic progress. To engender a love of learning
that will be carried throughout their life here in this world and into the world
to come.

“¼And Stature¼”

Health and Recreation -- To promote the study and practice of the
principles of health and temperance, in the belief that mental and spiritual
vigor are in a great degree dependent upon physical health, strength and
activity. To guide students in making good choices regarding recreation and
leisure time.

“¼And in favor with God¼”

Relationship to God -- To instill a knowledge of God and love for Him and for
Jesus Christ

who came into the world to be its Redeemer. To establish belief and practice in
the essential relational experience of faith and prayer. To develop respect and
reverence for the Bible as the divine Word of God, including the Ten
Commandments as the rule of guidance for a complete life.

Character -- To present the ideals of true culture and encourage an appreciation
of what is pure, true, noble, right and beautiful. To develop an inward
fortitude against evil and a sense of personal
responsibility in the application of spiritual, social, moral and physical laws
that should govern individual conduct.

“¼And with man.” Luke 2:52

Home and Family -- To awaken an appreciation of home, where love is the
motivating power in the life of every member of the family.

Citizenship -- To inspire love of country, loyalty to country, and respect for
recognized authority.

Service -- To establish in the minds and hearts of the students the Christian
motive of service and concern for others as opposed to the incentive of selfish
rivalry. To emphasize the value and dignity of labor in the development of
character and in carrying out the responsibilities of life.

REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION

Adventist Christian Academy admits students of any race, color, or ethnic
origin, to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally
accorded or made available to students. In administration of its
educational policies it does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, or
ethnic origin.

Adventist Christian Academy is operated especially for the youth of the
Seventh-day Adventist faith. It is a privilege, not a right to attend A.C.A.
However, as space permits, a student who is not a member of the Seventh-day
Adventist church may be admitted. It is expected that all students will uphold
the standards of Adventist Christian Academy and will cheerfully endeavor to
live in harmony with the principles of the school. Parents who, after
consultation with the teacher and the principal, find themselves in disagreement
with the practices or policies of the school may be asked to withdraw their
student.

It is recommended that students not be entered in school before they reach the
age of six years. Parents of each Kindergarten student must present the
student’s birth certificate to the school by July 1st.

Students may be required to undergo testing before acceptance or during the
first month of the school year. If satisfactory achievement scores are on file
at A.C.A., testing may be omitted. The school reserves the right, after testing
an applicant and counseling with the parents, to change the grade placement to
one more suitable for the student. The school may not be equipped or
sufficiently staffed to offer continuous remedial help to students with special
needs.

Applicants for admission must submit a standard application blank, properly
filled out, which will be presented to the A.C.A. Board for final approval.

New and returning students should have a G.P.A. of 2.0 (or equivalent) in order
to be considered for admission. Students with a recent scholastic performance
below 2.0 will be subject to the Scholastic Probation Policy. Deviation from
this standard may be done only at the discretion of the school board.

Scholastic Probation will be in effect the first nine weeks following
admittance. It will be required that the student improve their G.P.A. to a
current 2.0 or above within the following nine week period. Continued
monitoring of the student’s G.P.A. will be evaluated every three weeks for
the next nine weeks. Failure to meet this standard may result in dismissal.
Re-admittance during the next or subsequent school years will be evaluated on an
individual basis, subject to the previous
year’s performance. Also, scholastic performance at any time during the
school year, which falls below 2.0 for any nine-week grading period, will result
in a Scholastic Probation as outlined above.

If at any time during the school year the A.C.A. faculty believes a student
needs professional evaluation, and/or testing for learning, behavioral or
attention disorders, it is the parents’ responsibility to arrange for such
examination and make the results available to A.C.A. faculty in a timely manner
(as determined by the principal). If this requirement is not met, the student
************************************************** ***************************
may be asked to withdraw from school.
************************************************** ***************************

Send mail to webmaster@bloomingtonadventist.org with questions or comments about
this web site.
Last modified: December 18, 2003
</quote>

I do not know if Janet Mae Stidd, married Drew, is part of the "Seventh-day
Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana. But it seems that

<quote>
"the unique standards and
************************************************** *****
character of the Seventh-day Adventist Church , differs
************************************************** *****
sufficiently from the public school to justify its establishment.
************************************************** ***************
</quote>

Perhaps the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" of Bloomington, Indiana, could have
some influence on her. Unless she already

<quote>
may be asked to withdraw from school.
</quote>

You do know it: The bible is a book about war. It is full of blood shedding and
cruelty.

These are words by Jan Drew:

<quote>
Wow - Debbee is calling people "Miss Busy Body" - and stating it isn't our
business to know *who" she is, *what" she does for a living, or *where* she
lives. Yet, she sees fit to get into other people's
business, calling their employers, etc. and giving fictious and
defamatory information.

What a piece of work you are Debbee!
</quote>

Jan Drew, THAT "piece of work", has no problem with calling employers, whith
making complaints, etc,...

7. Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is a wimp:
================================================== =========
She erases her traces.
======================

Janet Mae Drew attacks others as being "wimps". But look at how she makes her
traces disappear. Do try out the links in the following "Part V" of the FAQ
about the notorious Net stalker Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd.

The web-pages with her personal data have vanished. Did she do it herself or was
the family so embarrassed, that they decided not to know her?

Her pastor does not know her, that is for sure...

Looks like Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson spoiled the life of a huge part of the
family.

Neither here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamily/index_D.html#Drew

nor here

http://www.slicesoftime.net/ourfamil..._N.html#Nelson

her husbands are seen. Not only Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson was excluded from
the family, but also her 2 husbands and the children.

That erasure must have made some really impressive foot marks on the behinds of
a lot of people. ALL OF THEM are victims of Janet Mae Drew/Stidd/Nelson.

One can choose his friends, but one cannot choose his family...

This linked-in profile by her is gone:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/janet-drew/9/302/551

But Google kept an eye on it:

<quote>
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is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 15 Feb 2010 03:13:06 GMT. The
current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more

Text-only version
These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: http www linkedin com
pub janet drew 9 302 551
Janet Drew

Owner, rtired

Bloomington, Indiana Area
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Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, erases her trace.

Janet Mae Drew, nee Stidd, ex-married Nelson, is wimp. She is the shame of
the family. They erased her branches in the family genealogy tree. The do know,
why...

Janet Mae Stidd, "Jan Drew", attacks other persons' families. She never gives
pardon, she never apologizes, not even for the greatest lie or assault.

She has no mercy, she lets children die - consequence of the false advice she
gives.

To follow her medical claims can lead to the death of your children and of
yourself.

..

################################################## #################

FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
*********************************************

Updated, March, 23rd., 2004

Hello,

in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.

Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of
Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children.
This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from
believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who
claim : "I have done it. It works!"

Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Aribert Deckers

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich

B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew"

C. Details
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
13. The "Jew boy" case
14. Jan Drew, the stalker
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
17. The foul language of Jan Drew
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew

D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race

E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?

-----

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
#######################

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
Message-ID: <k69l40p1f6tbg83kgca8efu2vqedkk2c88@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT

Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This
means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false
witness in order to achieve her objective.

Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who
disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any
means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster
is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a
poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may
just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized
medicine to discredit them.

Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either
psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in
her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to
understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan
Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears
not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to
demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so
instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against
the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject.

Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having
mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief
despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history
indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why
her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt
that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this
does not stop her shilling.

Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not
start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear
indication that she understands the importance of the temporal
relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping.
But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not
only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!!

Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false
witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote
alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete
lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie.
But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats
them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable.

Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do
with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against
conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the
negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW
post talking about anything positive about conventional medicine. She
is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against
conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about
CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda.

Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM
is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the
truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to
AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to
alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication
that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications
that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite.

Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to
get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an
attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name,
address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells
people not to do business with them. She posts the private information
of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them.

Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to
repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion
simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch
how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading
my post after lying about putting me in her kill file.

Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that
Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their
personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching
on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then
post it here to discredit them.

Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But
the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true
identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and
potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics
from expressing their opinions here.

Poster beware.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my
name/tactics. Just watch.

But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many
enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the
issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable.

PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the
above in it.
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew"
#####################################

Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to

a) have suffered,
b) then were saved,
c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment
XYZ...

Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has
happened to him can be proven wrong.

Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and
healings.

Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the
innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer"
scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used.

In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm
(bilingual)

I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of
the naturopath mafia :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available.)

Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of
many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives
if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia.

This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator
would be appreciated.)

AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud.
Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!

The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

Now the text by Mr. Rich :

<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused?
Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp451uh3tc22fghdtppbv@4ax.com>
References:
<404b8888$0$305$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
<20040308022648.29802.00001024@mb-m21.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT

On 08 Mar 2004 07:26:48 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>
>I was treated for mercury poisoning from amalgams and I am alive and well. That
>is what is demonstrated here.

Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow
the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury
poisoning from amalgams.
Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died
from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams even though her history
suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note: Jan has accused
me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about
she remains silent).

The facts according to Jan Drew:

1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy

2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly
improved her symptoms

3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her
peripheral neuropathy

4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN

5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by
Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL
cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by
a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and
proper nutrition)

6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely
had mercury poisoning from the amalgams.

7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health
that resulted in her believing that she was going to die.

8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr.
Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist believes that
mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of
his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with
composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent.

>On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:
>
>>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for a cause for over a
>>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions the mercury problem. I
>>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr.
>>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very enlightening book. I had my
>>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back
>>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal pulled.
>>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you have a condition that
>>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth.
>>
>>Thanks Again,
>>
>>Jan

9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on
usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within
HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO
YEARS!!

>Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet
>
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>>Jan

10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two
years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the
amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was
clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to
her would not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?

11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the
amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to
regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a
complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she
had felt in two years, within hours of having some of the amalgams
removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above.

12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above
history.

13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her
refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults
and belittling.

AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of
her history.

Discussion (OPINION):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the
point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is
VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the
months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her
worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to
buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health
problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she
believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an
excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is
consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had
all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level
was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan
Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following:

1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without
specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things
including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents
to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to
belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten
Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with
respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from
Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing
this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to
NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to
listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
################################################

[naturopath mafia-based]
http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html
http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php
http://www.alternativemedicine.com/d.../i22-a12.shtml
http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/...lar/vitce.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinion...ion%20bill.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/livin...nts020910.html
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73
http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm
http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html
http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surg...rticles/63.htm
http://www.mercola.com
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net

[Scientology-based articles]
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200..._our_kids.html
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm

(List will be updated)

2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
################################################## ####

Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are
nothing but other masks of Mercola :

"Dave" <info@glowlife.com>
"Rod" <deniecerod1@hotmail.com>
"Teacher" <princeofmen@hotmail.com>
"David" <medtools@earthlink.net>
"ChuckMSRD" chuckmsrd@aol.com
"Anth" <anon@anon.com>
"soft-eng" <softeng3456@netscape.net>
"mdd" <mdd@trip.net>
"RB" <flagflye1@superweb.ca>
"DEBBEE1023" <debbee1023@aol.comnojunk>
"Gymmy Bob" <NoThanx@spam.com>

This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !

Keep in mind these very true words :

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative :

<quote>
[...]
There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if
someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be
trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and
dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own
integrity.

And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the
posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only
reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability
in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are
frequently brought up to her.
</quote>

3. Cui bono ?
##############

A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections
to those who cash in the money.

Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But
Jan Drew does more than that !

A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively
demonstrates the background :

<quote>
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT
References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
Message-ID: <20030829161906.24569.00000144@mb-m16.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197

>Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>She does?
>Anth

>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in message

>> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up
>> true facts with naturopath nonsense and this way forces people to buy
>> quackery.
>>
>> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours!

Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.

I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I
have never forced people to do anything.

Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements

When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine,
Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
</quote>

Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text
:

<quote>
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different
researchers.

Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary

Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his
comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review
the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for
************************************************** *********** +++
further information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan
</quote>

So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.

Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?

A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the
word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year".

We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" :
(Underlign marks made by me.)

<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT
References: <HGe1a.187148$HG.31994841@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.ne t>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity
Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-cf.aol.com>

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...limination.htm

Mercury

Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents

The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote
it nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet
and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the
Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001).
The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to
compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find
on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and
exactly what one should do, please review my mercury detoxification
protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most
**************
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>

Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by
Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt.

This article is "on mercury detoxification".

So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.

Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of
advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...

4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
###################################

In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words
and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.te le.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audre y-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 28
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT
References: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger
Message-ID: <20031117231348.14148.00000498@mb-m15.aol.com>

>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <troirvstkoaugingt4bnvsrpav3d9gbohe@4ax.com>

Happy is not playing with a full deck.

As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm

<snip>

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting
timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.

Took 16 seconds to find it.

I have posted it previously.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to
have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words.

Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.

One more example of forgery :

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!n ewsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nnt p.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT
References: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls
Message-ID: <20040307003127.20278.00001024@mb-m27.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
>From: WB no_one@nowhere.net
>Date: 3/6/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n2j1j3r2fbgihf91mt@4ax.com>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>>Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
>>Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
>>conventional medicine.
>
>
>Dude, please report to her ISP when she spams.
>
>
>--
>WB

Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10
http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
</quote>

By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as
if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting.

5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
################################################## #############

A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to
web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear
and hatred against scientific medicine.

Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".

In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really
contains :

<quote>
From: "Dr. Steve" <drsteve@I.give.up.on.the.spam.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <bdgqb.28460$Ec1.2621220@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-m05.aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question
Message-ID: <r9hqb.7825$P%1.6850723@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com >
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT

..
"Ja," <jdre.....29@aol.com> wrote in message
> >If jdrmmm,,,,29@aol.com (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the
source.
>
> I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider
the
> source and see the source of each website.
>
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in
Nepal.

> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on
people's fear of Hg poisoning.

> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental
links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th
evils of Hg in dentistry.

> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr.
Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then.

> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes
you will buy one his books too.

> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

A web site that just sells a book.

> http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?)
disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story.

> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again
disquised as a story.

> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.

> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

Another link to the Nepal dental office.

> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

Dr, Meining again.

> http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long

> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental
thinking.

> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

Guess what? A site to sell books.

> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

This guy is selling a special diet.

> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A
BOOK!!!!

Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts

PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting
program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of
Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your
health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health
in any way.
</quote>

6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
#################################

This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology.
Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an
advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed...

Example 1:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT
References: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
>From: Nomen Nescio nobody@dizum.com
>Date: 9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <e09b87b3b803c46a2b4615d3c7bb888f@dizum.com>
>
>$cientology member

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</quote>

Example 2:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT
References: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
Message-ID: <20030921225158.18243.00001304@mb-m06.aol.com>

>Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
>From: frice@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
>Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <vms2om64d44t72@corp.supernews.com>
>
>You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist

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</quote>

Example 3:
<quote>
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT
References: <3f6e3452.175598378@news.verizon.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports
of recent Scientology postings
Message-ID: <20030921225300.18243.00001305@mb-m06.aol.com>

> What is $cientology?

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</quote>

Example 4:
<quote>
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT
References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
Message-ID: <20031006012916.04714.00000519@mb-m17.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3ll0r55srp7g507sngu@4ax.com>
>
>jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON
>> FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>INTERNATIONAL
>
>A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now
>that's something you don't see every day.

Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.

Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.

You are an intolerant fascist bigot.
</quote>

So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !:
(Underligns with "*" by me.)

<quote>
Lines: 59
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT
References: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-m19.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
>From: Peter Bowditch myfirstname@ratbags.com
>Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0umj5cmejrv5qfad5l@4ax.com>
>
>ryubyss@yahoo.com (Ria) wrote:
>
>>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this
>>> is what she is replying to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are
>>> something which Jan feels require no comment.
>>
>>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's
>point.
>
>Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my
>religious beliefs and suggests that I am directly instructed by Satan.

Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John
delights in seeing kids die.

>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
************************************************** *******************

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
************************************************** *******************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
************************************************** *******************

>If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine

It does indeed.

> then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical
opinions.

Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some
reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an
excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing.

> Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases,
>>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by
>>> pointing out the lies of people who oppose vaccination.
>>

That would be a opinion.

>>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic.

<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>

Repeatedly.

Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting
others down.

Jan
</quote>

The crucial part :

<quote>
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
</quote>

So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend
against all proof.

Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?

Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.

7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
#################################

In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a
known criminal charlatan.

The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.

<quote>
Lines: 47
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT
References: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID: <20031116020050.01432.00000254@mb-m20.aol.com>

>Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
>From: "f®Èé RådicaL" ojw3@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Go-dnVn9E-MFgyqiRTvUqQ@speakeasy.net>
>
>Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
>it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.
>
>I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
>Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
>awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
>later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
>point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
>zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
>hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
>duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
>numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
>alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
>the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.
>
>I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
>on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
>fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
>time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
>the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
>antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
>zapper seems to break very quickly.
>
>Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
>anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
>build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
>I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
>products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>

And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.

As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are
outrageous lies. The FTC states in

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm

<quote>
DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT

13. Section*5(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or
practices in or affecting commerce. Section*12(a) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C.
§*52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting
commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase
of food , drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have
engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper
Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite
Cleanse).

14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not
limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph*12, above, and through
the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com"
defendants have represented expressly or by implication that:

a.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
viruses and parasites in the human body;
*
b.**Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic
infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);
*
c.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite
Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
d.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is
effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
*
e.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured
numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;
*
f.**The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;
*
g.**The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at
specific points in the human body.
*
h.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;
*
i.**The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma
and many other diseases.
*
j.**Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and
Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make
surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that
substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph*14, above, at the time
the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set
forth in Paragraph*14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for
a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §§*45(a), 52 and
55.

CONSUMER INJURY

16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout
the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and
possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched
as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court,
the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust
enrichment and harm the public interest.

THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF

17. Section*13(b) of the FTC*Act, 15*U.S.C. §*53(b), authorizes this Court to
grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress,
disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any
provision of law enforced by the Commission.
</quote>

The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.

Here a detail, found in
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...cer/clark.html :

<quote>
The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and
thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:

Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor
of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated
that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable
evidence" to support her claims [19].
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...f/primack.html

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor
Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer
and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is
limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent
an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and
her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does
not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental
parasitological principles." [20]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ff/pappas.html

Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that,
"No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any
physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure
cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can
eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery.../pizzorno.html
</quote>

As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was
sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in
his posting claims to work.

So, for all clear to see :

Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
************************************************** ****************
lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
*********************************************

Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes
for Hulda Clark products :

<quote>
Lines: 19
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT
References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
Message-ID: <20031228145116.15319.00001622@mb-m12.aol.com>

>Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
>From: "Anth" anon@anon.com
>Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth?
>I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and it will thin the
>enamel down.
>There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are
>expensive and cumbersome.
>Thanks
>Anth

I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark)
works great.

http://www.DrClarkStore.com

Jan
</quote>

This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan
Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark :

<quote>
Lines: 5
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT
References: <1b2a5a9f.0403021148.8b4425f@posting.google.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com>

http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm

I have done this several times, it works.

Jan
</quote>

And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying :

<quote>
Lines: 32
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT
References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302235051.02894.00000792@mb-m15.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: anth and the flush
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/2/2004 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <404515ed$0$1162$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
>I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary.
>Did you take the Ornithine?
>Anth

YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse
won't be as successful.

Jan

>"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040302152827.02894.00000760@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
>>
>> I have done this several times, it works.
>>
>> Jan
</quote>

What does Jan Drew claim ?:

<quote>
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well
the cleanse won't be as successful.
</quote>

That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a
criminal deed.

Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not
advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical
claims.

Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud.

Here you can read how to complain about health fraud :

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm

8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################

In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the
"$KaChing"...

<quote>
From: "Rich Shewmaker" <rich@ilhawaii.net>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: $KaChing is Working!!
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000
Message-ID: <pNScnaQ7epSuaueiXTWJhg@ilhawaii.net>

Quackwatch Ratbags

July $100* $70
August 38 20
September 28 10

*donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132

For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I
proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR.
Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming
annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of
speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so
punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of
Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild
punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement
that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently
meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I
added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic
death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never
understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned
the guilt.

Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even
got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch
donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine"
for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.

See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are
participating.
</quote>

9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################

Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull.
Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew,
oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his
critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows
his real face...:

<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueb erl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyc ny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news. aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 40
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling
Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-m06.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036

Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the
debunkers lie.

Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a
human being.

Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct
others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's
ass.

Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.

David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.

DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.

Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.

Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to
make retractions, another lackey for Barrett.

Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.

[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years], all of the above.

WB and Dickinson both trolls.

Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's
head off.

Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.

A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.

Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths
mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine.

That's a FACT, Jack.
</quote>

Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would
you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?

10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################

Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest
fighters against dental amalgam.

Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is
the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in
large scale.

Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.

Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like
Jan Drew :

<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu
veröffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.

Aribert Deckers

************************************************** ************************
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message
quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)

------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long
silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just
incredible.

I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.

I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was
involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were
rather too expensive for me.

I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?

I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film
plastic containers.

I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to
charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to
choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my
expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.

I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our
organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when
and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in
that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.

Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when
taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.

I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though
I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the
lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a
stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not,
because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and
she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong
headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed
grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night
because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without
much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are
not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not
bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is
a subject for yet another long horror story.

We just live in hell on Earth.

We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.

I'll better finish here.

Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes

[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright © 2000 - 2002
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage dürfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>

People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like
this ill man.

Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.

11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################

In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism
:

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!)
Message-ID: <i4d3rv4dtdbha0h08phoobcgrvl7mosi27@4ax.com>
References: <E26sb.7041$aT.3016@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
<20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-m15.aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT

On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

>Sadly, his enablers will be right along.
>
>It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in:

Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The
following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read
the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read
the lowest of lows:

Debbee1023 says:
>>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid
>>to
>>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which
>>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I understand there
>>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the medical field,
>>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers,
>>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of
>>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all true about
>>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was right long
>time ago.
>
>>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's
>>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning
>>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the cities that were
>>chosen.
>>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
>>hijacked...it
>>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
>>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead
>>of
>>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep
>>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the
>>score."
>

Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:

>Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.
>
>Jan

So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to
exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan
Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.

What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone
who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on
judgment day.

Aloha,

Rich
>

------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>

Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE261.D2CEF893@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews
in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the
past year. I put line breaks between comments made
in different postings, and in some cases removed line
breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting.
In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid
line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>

And some more :

<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE267.AA17E28B@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's other hatreds
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about
Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made
in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line
breaks between comments made in different postings,
and in some cases removed line breaks when lines
appeared together in the same posting. In some
cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line
wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.

------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------

Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.

He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude
(rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.

------- Jan speaking about atheists -------

Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.

The reason you are an atheist is because Satan
has convinced you.

Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group)
with the exception of IIena, they have proven
themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover
for each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and
need to have an argument going, thinking they
can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is
said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but
belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists
or jews.

I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----

Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew.
Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*.

In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.

They are here because they are both frustrated.
Both are rather queer.

Notice how none of the debunkers have
anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's
*queer* statements?

Me thinks you are acting very queer.

That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar,
despicable hate filled *queer* person.

Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's
lies or his professional manner.
They are both rather queer.

How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.

Making up queer stories Eric???????

And woo woo.
And Queer.
</quote>

Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty
Message-ID: <20040220213242.12315.00000073@mb-m02.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>Date: 2/20/2004 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1b2a5a9f.0402201712.4fff69d1@posting.google.com >
>
>healthyu@concentric.net (Michele) wrote in message
>news:<866cef19.0402200714.6189051f@posting.google .com>...
>> jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<20040219153549.08803.00000010@mb-m13.aol.com>...
>> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>> > >From: tobyjones@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>> > >Date: 2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>> > >They debunked all his words and works,
>> > >and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them. That is how Satan works."
>> > >
>> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
>> > >for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
>> > >involved."
>> > >
>> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan."
>> >
>> > Those are not words of hate.
>>
>> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the
>> statements she made above are okay.

It is always OK to post the truth.

>Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.

True

>They debunked all his words and works,

True

>>and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them.

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.

>That is how Satan works."

True

>It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust.

They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.

When noone here was in any way >involved."

True

>"IMHO they are led by Satan."

He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.

> Those are not words of hate.

That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.

>When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are
>second nature to them", the effect is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion
>and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group.

They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They
lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when
asked, because they make things up.

>Even without insisting that it is "factual".

I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.

>And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that
>"lying" trait, in something that happened 2000 years ago.

Not the issue..

>And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'.

Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.

All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own
words.

Since you are new here,, you have no clue.

Jan
</quote>

Jan Drew says :
<quote>
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
</quote>

And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic
psyche into the internet...

One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :

<quote>
Lines: 145
X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Pathetic
Message-ID: <20040221204234.20451.00000208@mb-m28.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: Orac orac@mac.com
>Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <orac-EF62C6.18565521022004@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>In article <fjpf3019geh3dlnbrcnir4vr9bdqroq36h@4ax.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <orac@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
>> >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
>> >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
>> >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
>> >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
statements.

Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

>>
>> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
>> alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
>> without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
>> rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
>> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
>> against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
>> return of the genocides of the past.

Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
life!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

The truth is:

Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

>I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation
is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic
>comments.

You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
until I see definitive evidence that I should not.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
people.

However, I agree that
it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
of them.

This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
stand the truth.

You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
and over. He even lies about his name.

False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
how statements were read.

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Example:

Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
>> Holocaust
>
>No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

>You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic
disgusting bigot.

*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

Further more what I said was:

I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

Then she blames Jews
> of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
> years ago.
>
>That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of
his
>claim.

Bull**** you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

>es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>They debunked all his words and works,
>and now debunking and lies are second
>nature to them. That is how Satan works.

NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
>
>Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

>It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
>with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
>with hate.

True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.

Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

It iis very transparent and pathetic.

Jan
</quote>

These are Jan Drew's exact words :

<quote>
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
</quote>

Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...

<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.suppor t.breast-implant
Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
Message-ID: <iuv_b.63$Xv2.5@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT

"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040223173759.20223.00000246@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >From: "[name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]-February 23, 2004"
>
> >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
>
> OT.
>
> >
> >"Andrew Langer"
>
> >People like Jan Drew
>
> > if they weren't
>
> > they weren't courageous
>
> >who would have
>
> >Jan Drew would not
>
> ZZzz

So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver
did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism
and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory
betrays her.

"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."

"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Start with Matt: 27 "

"Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters."

"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng."

"That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other."

"The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan."

"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."

"I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."

"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes."

"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works."

"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."

"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate."

"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved."
</quote>

12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
#################################

Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles,
defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of
being Satan's ... well, whatever...

The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson
Message-ID: <20040315160305.06673.00001564@mb-m25.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:344236

Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got
caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't
post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.???

The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan.

He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy
obssession.

Now for the truth.

Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.

It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.

This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.

I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.

More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.

I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.

Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.

No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
</quote>

13. The "Jew boy" case
#######################

Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks,
calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent"
archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days.
I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled,
but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.

So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found
with Google :

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT
References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-cp.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>
>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>
>>
>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>
><Snip>
>
>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>see
>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777

Jan
</quote>

<quote>
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X-Admin: news@aol.com
From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT
References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-fe.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-co.aol.com>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>>>From: ilsa9w@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>>>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-fs.aol.com>
>>>
>>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>>>
>>><Snip>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>>>see
>>>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>>>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.
>>
>>Please stay clear of
>>
>>Southern Acupuncture Inc.
>>
>> I.L.S.A.
>>
>>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
>>
>>Wilmington, NC
>>
>>910-799-5777
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments.

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777
</quote>

14. Jan Drew, the stalker
#########################

The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts :

- to seed hatred against scientific medicine

- to make people believe that naturopath stuff works

- to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged
band-waggon of naturopathy

- seed fear

- to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites

But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal
with critic ?

Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan
Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this
FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like :

- Jan Drew does not answer.

- Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people.

- Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion.

- Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not
have seen their critic.

Mr. [name of person, who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] has blown that foul
defence to pieces by using
new names and email addresses every other day.

- Jan Drew insults.

- Jan Drew lies.

- Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he
criticises that

"Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family"

the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan
Drew :

On 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT, jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) wrote:

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Why Is Richard H Jacobson Obsessed wth Jan?
Message-ID: <20031226203627.14167.00001857@mb-m28.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:331954

I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's
obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to
demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new
as he has a long pattern of the same with others.
Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and
Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich
believes Jan has PN but not MP.

So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I
would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession.

Wonder why he lies about his name?

Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions?

Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a
nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that)

Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads
nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally.
Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He
must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he
must settle for just watching.

I caution people not to trust the
perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has
used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their
medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while
he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill
and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by
using their husband.

I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close
relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him.
Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive
to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem,

The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his
psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even
consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child.

So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to
deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he
transferees them to others.

So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing
others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked
out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with
others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes.
His seems to be incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the
failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP.

Wonder why he nuked his posts??

Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about
whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he
still yacking about it three years later??

Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life??

Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen
to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED
at running her off, like he did so many.

Jan

PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting
out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing
to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage.
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

..
</quote>

Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you
the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew.

Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the
victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and
claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker.

You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan
Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together...

Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 +
1 together...

15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
########################################

These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew
insults other participants in the news-groups :

<quote>
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From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT
References: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
Message-ID: <20040220235703.12315.00000081@mb-m02.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:338832

>Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
>From: "Anth" sickofspam@sickofspam.com
>Date: 2/20/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4036d115$0$61958$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>You are walking lie
>http://www.medford.co.za/articles/Am...ry%20detox.doc
>Anth
>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster@ariplex.com> wrote in

Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose.

Jan
</quote>

16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
################################################## ############

Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion.

(I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that,
by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.)

<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
Message-ID: <npscrvgnq2sd0ojuk6qkrcthcplg1hj4fq@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT

As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew
who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning
secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams
saved her life.

But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to
deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she
actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness
(peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying
obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in
Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to
psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated
the mercury poisoning).

Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER O

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