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  1. #1
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Deteriorating night vision

    A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.

    I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    diagnosed. Anyway.......

    A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses made
    with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    with many other bonuses.

    First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.

    Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting new
    glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet, and
    it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!

    And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses with
    dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The water
    rolls right off.

    I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told this
    to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will thank
    me too.

    We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing how
    much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel as
    well as see the difference.

    They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this stuff.
    It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    but it is the same product.


    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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    Breathe like the wind circling the world


  2. #2
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    x-no-archive: yes

    Evelyn wrote:
    > A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >
    > I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    > definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    > diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >
    > A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    > drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    > bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    > optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    > made
    > with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    > with many other bonuses.
    >
    > First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    > headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    > everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    > when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    > bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >
    > Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    > glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    > how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting new
    > glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet,
    > and
    > it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    > worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >
    > And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses with
    > dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The
    > water
    > rolls right off.
    >
    > I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    > listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told
    > this
    > to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will
    > thank
    > me too.
    >
    > We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing how
    > much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually
    > feel as
    > well as see the difference.
    >
    > They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    > getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this stuff.
    > It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    > but it is the same product.
    >
    >


    I've had Crizal applied to my glasses for years, but I still have night
    vision issues lately, and off and on. I like how they look, you can see
    my eyes, with no reflective glare.

    I thought Crizal was actually prone to scratching, hence all the
    instructions about how to care for it with washing and a special cloth?

    I won't wear glasses without it, though, or some anti glare coating.

    Susan

  3. #3
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > Evelyn wrote:
    >> A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >>
    >> I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    >> definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    >> diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >>
    >> A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me
    >> to
    >> drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    >> bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    >> optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    >> made
    >> with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    >> with many other bonuses.
    >>
    >> First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    >> headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    >> everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too
    >> bright
    >> when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    >> bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >>
    >> Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    >> glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    >> how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting
    >> new
    >> glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet,
    >> and
    >> it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    >> worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >>
    >> And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses
    >> with
    >> dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The
    >> water
    >> rolls right off.
    >>
    >> I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    >> listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told
    >> this
    >> to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will
    >> thank
    >> me too.
    >>
    >> We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing
    >> how
    >> much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel
    >> as
    >> well as see the difference.
    >>
    >> They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    >> getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this
    >> stuff.
    >> It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    >> but it is the same product.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I've had Crizal applied to my glasses for years, but I still have night
    > vision issues lately, and off and on. I like how they look, you can see
    > my eyes, with no reflective glare.
    >
    > I thought Crizal was actually prone to scratching, hence all the
    > instructions about how to care for it with washing and a special cloth?
    >
    > I won't wear glasses without it, though, or some anti glare coating.
    >
    > Susan



    No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses after
    they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the actual product
    itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary lenses. Look into
    it. It is not a coating. I used to always get the coatings too, and the
    glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they scratched easier. Not the
    Crizal. It is amazing stuff.

    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

    Rest in a sky-like mind.
    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
    Breathe like the wind circling the world


  4. #4
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    x-no-archive: yes

    Evelyn wrote:

    > No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    > after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    > actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    > lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    > the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    > scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.
    >


    You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?

    I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.

    Never been offered a Crizal lens.

    Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    for my needs.

    Susan

  5. #5
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gi72q6$2ic$[email protected]..
    >A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >
    > I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    > definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    > diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >
    > A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    > drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    > bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    > optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    > made
    > with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    > with many other bonuses.
    >
    > First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    > headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    > everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    > when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    > bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >
    > Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    > glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    > how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting
    > new
    > glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet,
    > and
    > it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    > worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >
    > And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses with
    > dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The
    > water
    > rolls right off.
    >
    > I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    > listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told
    > this
    > to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will
    > thank
    > me too.
    >
    > We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing how
    > much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel
    > as
    > well as see the difference.
    >
    > They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    > getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this
    > stuff.
    > It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    > but it is the same product.


    I have had that stuff since they first came out with it. I get every option
    I can for my glasses. They're not cheap!

    I have had trouble with night vision for as long as I can remember. One eye
    Dr. said I have a condition (he didn't tell me the name of it) where my eyes
    do not adjust properly to light/dark. It is very hard for me to go from a
    dark theater into the light or from the light into a dark theater. I am
    temporarily blinded. Sunrise and sunset are also tough for me.

    I have also noticed for the most part I do not do well with bright light.
    Both of my parents have diminishing eyesight and for some reason need really
    bright light to see. With "their" light, I just go blind and can not read
    anything. I prefer somewhat dimmer lights. I went so far as to have a
    dimmer installed in my kitchen and changed the lightbulbs to the least
    amount of wattage I can get in this room. Not only were the lights
    overwhelmingly bright for me, but they seem to heat up the room very badly,
    which is not a good thing except perhaps for times like now when it is 26
    degrees outside. Also in this room, I have two lamps that are on most of
    the time. One has a three way bulb and the other is a faux Tiffany, colored
    lead glass that lends a soft light to the room. Where possible, I install
    pink light bulbs because they are kinder to my eyes.

    I've also found that I do well with little night lights placed around the
    house. I've gotten to where at night, I can get around well enough with
    just those lights on and it don't have to turn on any others.



  6. #6
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    In article <gi72q6$2ic$[email protected]>,
    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >
    > I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    > definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    > diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >
    > A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    > drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    > bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    > optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses made
    > with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    > with many other bonuses.
    >
    > First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    > headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    > everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    > when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    > bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >
    > Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    > glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    > how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting new
    > glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet, and
    > it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    > worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >
    > And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses with
    > dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The water
    > rolls right off.
    >
    > I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    > listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told this
    > to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will thank
    > me too.
    >
    > We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing how
    > much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel as
    > well as see the difference.
    >
    > They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    > getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this stuff.
    > It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    > but it is the same product.


    That's probably what my glasses are made of. I have them use the latest
    and most expensive high index plastic, anti-glare that, polarizing the
    other thing. They're progressive bifocals, and they ended up being VERY
    expensive, but they are totally worth it.

    PP

  7. #7
    Chris Malcolm Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes


    > Evelyn wrote:


    >> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    >> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    >> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    >> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    >> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.


    > You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?


    > I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.


    > Never been offered a Crizal lens.


    > Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    > into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    > Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    > for my needs.


    I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)

    --
    Chris Malcolm




  8. #8
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:12:02 -0500, in <gi72q6$2ic$[email protected]>
    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    >getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this stuff.
    >It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    >but it is the same product.


    In the US, all of the new coatings are 'baked' into the polycarbonate. In the
    past they were sprayed on, brushed on, painted on, etc. And, in the past it
    was better if the factory did it, instead of after the fact, but, ... yes, as
    we know, it also still peeled & bubbled up eventually.

    But, the new stuff, which is expensive, is well worth it for glare and is
    scratch resistant.

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  9. #9
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyro[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> x-no-archive: yes

    >
    >> Evelyn wrote:

    >
    >>> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >>> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    >>> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    >>> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    >>> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    >>> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.

    >
    >> You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?

    >
    >> I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.

    >
    >> Never been offered a Crizal lens.

    >
    >> Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    >> into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    >> Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    >> for my needs.

    >
    > I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    > scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)


    The problem (or so I've been told) with glass is that it is heavy. Might be
    okay if you have thin lenses, but not if you have thicker ones. And it
    breaks.



  10. #10
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:12:02 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >
    >I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    >definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    >diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >
    >A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    >drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    >bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    >optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses made
    >with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    >with many other bonuses.
    >
    >First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    >headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    >everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    >when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    >bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >


    the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    linked to cataracts. One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.

    Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.

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  11. #11
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:27:50 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses after
    >they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the actual product
    >itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary lenses. Look into
    >it. It is not a coating. I used to always get the coatings too, and the
    >glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they scratched easier. Not the
    >Crizal. It is amazing stuff.


    Sure sounds interesting, I'm fed up with the coatings - the anti-glare
    stuff plus the anti-scratch. Does the new stuff come in super-thin, I
    wonder?

    Nicky
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    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
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  12. #12
    Chris Malcolm Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> x-no-archive: yes

    >>
    >>> Evelyn wrote:

    >>
    >>>> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >>>> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    >>>> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    >>>> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    >>>> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    >>>> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.

    >>
    >>> You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?

    >>
    >>> I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.

    >>
    >>> Never been offered a Crizal lens.

    >>
    >>> Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    >>> into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    >>> Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    >>> for my needs.

    >>
    >> I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    >> scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)


    > The problem (or so I've been told) with glass is that it is heavy. Might be
    > okay if you have thin lenses, but not if you have thicker ones.


    I have very severe myopia, so conventional glass lenses would be very
    thick and heavy. So I have them made of high refractive index glass,
    and with very small lenses, so they end up being light.

    > And it breaks.


    At my age my vision is changing so slowly that a prescription lasts me
    a decade. Although I'm rather careful with my spectacles even
    toughened plastic lenses scratch much too easily to last out a decade
    for me. But glass lenses are still in very good condition after ten
    years.

    --
    Chris Malcolm




  13. #13
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > Evelyn wrote:
    >
    >> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the actual
    >> product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary lenses.
    >> Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get the coatings
    >> too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they scratched easier.
    >> Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.
    >>

    >
    > You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?
    >
    > I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.
    >
    > Never been offered a Crizal lens.
    >
    > Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal into
    > other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use Varilux, and
    > it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating for my needs.
    >
    > Susan



    Hi Susan, this is the brochure on the product. It appears that it is a
    coating of some kind, but it is NOT like the old fashioned anti-glare
    coatings we have been getting for years. This is really different. And
    everything they say is true about it!

    http://www.essilor.co.uk/lensinfo/pd...20Brochure.pdf
    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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  14. #14
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision



    "Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> x-no-archive: yes

    >
    >> Evelyn wrote:

    >
    >>> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >>> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    >>> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    >>> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    >>> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    >>> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.

    >
    >> You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?

    >
    >> I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.

    >
    >> Never been offered a Crizal lens.

    >
    >> Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    >> into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    >> Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    >> for my needs.

    >
    > I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    > scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)
    >
    > --
    > Chris Malcolm




    So did I Chris. I had to special order it anymore. But if you try this
    stuff, you won't believe how much better it is.
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    >



  15. #15
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision



    "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:27:50 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    >>after
    >>they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the actual
    >>product
    >>itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary lenses. Look
    >>into
    >>it. It is not a coating. I used to always get the coatings too, and
    >>the
    >>glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they scratched easier. Not the
    >>Crizal. It is amazing stuff.

    >
    > Sure sounds interesting, I'm fed up with the coatings - the anti-glare
    > stuff plus the anti-scratch. Does the new stuff come in super-thin, I
    > wonder?



    Yes, it does. My husband has a rather strong prescription, and his Crizal
    glasses are thin!
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  16. #16
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gi78fi$sfe$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:gi72q6$2ic$[email protected]..
    >>A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >>
    >> I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    >> definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    >> diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >>
    >> A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me
    >> to
    >> drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    >> bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    >> optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    >> made
    >> with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    >> with many other bonuses.
    >>
    >> First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    >> headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    >> everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too
    >> bright
    >> when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    >> bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >>
    >> Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    >> glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    >> how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting
    >> new
    >> glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet,
    >> and
    >> it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    >> worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >>
    >> And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses
    >> with
    >> dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The
    >> water
    >> rolls right off.
    >>
    >> I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    >> listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told
    >> this
    >> to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will
    >> thank
    >> me too.
    >>
    >> We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing
    >> how
    >> much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel
    >> as
    >> well as see the difference.
    >>
    >> They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    >> getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this
    >> stuff.
    >> It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    >> but it is the same product.

    >
    > I have had that stuff since they first came out with it. I get every
    > option I can for my glasses. They're not cheap!
    >
    > I have had trouble with night vision for as long as I can remember. One
    > eye Dr. said I have a condition (he didn't tell me the name of it) where
    > my eyes do not adjust properly to light/dark. It is very hard for me to
    > go from a dark theater into the light or from the light into a dark
    > theater. I am temporarily blinded. Sunrise and sunset are also tough for
    > me.
    >
    > I have also noticed for the most part I do not do well with bright light.
    > Both of my parents have diminishing eyesight and for some reason need
    > really bright light to see. With "their" light, I just go blind and can
    > not read anything. I prefer somewhat dimmer lights. I went so far as to
    > have a dimmer installed in my kitchen and changed the lightbulbs to the
    > least amount of wattage I can get in this room. Not only were the lights
    > overwhelmingly bright for me, but they seem to heat up the room very
    > badly, which is not a good thing except perhaps for times like now when it
    > is 26 degrees outside. Also in this room, I have two lamps that are on
    > most of the time. One has a three way bulb and the other is a faux
    > Tiffany, colored lead glass that lends a soft light to the room. Where
    > possible, I install pink light bulbs because they are kinder to my eyes.
    >
    > I've also found that I do well with little night lights placed around the
    > house. I've gotten to where at night, I can get around well enough with
    > just those lights on and it don't have to turn on any others.




    Me too, Julie. That's why these Crizal glasses were so good for me.

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    Evelyn

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  17. #17
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Peppermint Patootie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <gi72q6$2ic$[email protected]>,
    > "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >>
    >> I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    >> definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    >> diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >>
    >> A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me
    >> to
    >> drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    >> bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    >> optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    >> made
    >> with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    >> with many other bonuses.
    >>
    >> First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    >> headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    >> everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too
    >> bright
    >> when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    >> bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >>
    >> Secondly it is extremely scratch resistant. I beat the heck out of my
    >> glasses. These are now 8 years old and no scratches yet. It's amazing
    >> how they hold up. Hubby is just as bad and he usually ends up getting
    >> new
    >> glasses just because of the scratches. None on his Crizal glasses yet,
    >> and
    >> it has been about three years since he got his. He beats up his glasses
    >> worse than I do, and they just don't scratch!
    >>
    >> And thirdly water just beads up and rolls off it. I wash my glasses
    >> with
    >> dish soap and running water, and rinse them well and just shake. The
    >> water
    >> rolls right off.
    >>
    >> I hesitated at first because they are more expensive. But I was glad I
    >> listened to my friend, because all of it is true. I have in turn told
    >> this
    >> to other friends who have thanked me profusely for the tip. You will
    >> thank
    >> me too.
    >>
    >> We also ordered sunglasses made of the same product, and it is amazing
    >> how
    >> much better you can see with them in bright light. You can actually feel
    >> as
    >> well as see the difference.
    >>
    >> They are not cheap, but definitely worth it....... Any person whos is
    >> getting older should get their next pair of glasses made out of this
    >> stuff.
    >> It is called Crizal, and I think they have a newer version of it out now,
    >> but it is the same product.

    >
    > That's probably what my glasses are made of. I have them use the latest
    > and most expensive high index plastic, anti-glare that, polarizing the
    > other thing. They're progressive bifocals, and they ended up being VERY
    > expensive, but they are totally worth it.
    >
    > PP



    That's what hubby says. He got the progressive bifocals with the Crizal
    lenses. Then he got a second pair of sunglasses made of the same stuff for
    driving. This time of year when the sun is low in the sky it can be so
    blinding to drive. It was a lot of money but absolutely worth it.

    --
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    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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  18. #18
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:12:02 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>A good tip for anyone who needs to occasionally drive at night.
    >>
    >>I don't know if this is related to the diabetes, but it could be. I was
    >>definitely developing diabetes for a long time before I was actually
    >>diagnosed. Anyway.......
    >>
    >>A couple of years ago I noticed it was getting harder and harder for me to
    >>drive at night. My night vision was deteriorating and it was actually a
    >>bit scary. New glasses didn't help. Finally a friend who was in the
    >>optical business told me that I absolutely needed to get new eyeglasses
    >>made
    >>with a product called CRIZAL because it would help my night vision along
    >>with many other bonuses.
    >>
    >>First of all it is extremely good at eliminating glare, (that halo around
    >>headlights, and the way that oncoming headlights tend to blind you to
    >>everything else.... and also stops bright sunlight from seeming too bright
    >>when you are driving). I can actually drive without sunglasses in the
    >>bright sun, using only my regular glasses, if I have to.
    >>

    >
    > the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    > from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    > linked to cataracts. One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    > as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.
    >
    > Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.



    Yes, and my opthalmologist tells me that I have the earliest beginnings of
    cataracts, and one day they may get bad enough to have to remove. But not
    yet. All the more reason for me to have Crizal lenses in my sunglasses
    too, which I do.

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    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
    Breathe like the wind circling the world

    >
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    >
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  19. #19
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:26:17 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >
    >"Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .


    >> Sure sounds interesting, I'm fed up with the coatings - the anti-glare
    >> stuff plus the anti-scratch. Does the new stuff come in super-thin, I
    >> wonder?


    >Yes, it does. My husband has a rather strong prescription, and his Crizal
    >glasses are thin!


    Thanks, Evelyn - and a UK company, I see, so definitely available over
    here

    Nicky.
    T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    Last A1c 5.4% BMI 25

  20. #20
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:31:40 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >> the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    >> from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    >> linked to cataracts. One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    >> as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.
    >>
    >> Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.

    >
    >
    >Yes, and my opthalmologist tells me that I have the earliest beginnings of
    >cataracts, and one day they may get bad enough to have to remove. But not
    >yet. All the more reason for me to have Crizal lenses in my sunglasses
    >too, which I do.



    don't get me wrong, I am not saying that those who have cataracts
    would not benefit from the crizal lenses, for a while. The crizal
    makes it so much easier to see through the halos and glare. Just not
    as much as it used to.

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    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o ˘)
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  21. #21
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:31:40 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>> the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    >>> from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    >>> linked to cataracts. One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    >>> as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.
    >>>
    >>> Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.

    >>
    >>
    >>Yes, and my opthalmologist tells me that I have the earliest beginnings of
    >>cataracts, and one day they may get bad enough to have to remove. But
    >>not
    >>yet. All the more reason for me to have Crizal lenses in my sunglasses
    >>too, which I do.

    >
    >
    > don't get me wrong, I am not saying that those who have cataracts
    > would not benefit from the crizal lenses, for a while. The crizal
    > makes it so much easier to see through the halos and glare. Just not
    > as much as it used to.


    Yes, especially since cataracts tend to develop and worsen over time.
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  22. #22
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:39 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:31:40 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    >>>> from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    >>>> linked to cataracts. One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    >>>> as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.
    >>>>
    >>>> Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Yes, and my opthalmologist tells me that I have the earliest beginnings of
    >>>cataracts, and one day they may get bad enough to have to remove. But
    >>>not
    >>>yet. All the more reason for me to have Crizal lenses in my sunglasses
    >>>too, which I do.

    >>
    >>
    >> don't get me wrong, I am not saying that those who have cataracts
    >> would not benefit from the crizal lenses, for a while. The crizal
    >> makes it so much easier to see through the halos and glare. Just not
    >> as much as it used to.

    >
    >Yes, especially since cataracts tend to develop and worsen over time.


    I just had my eye exam, a little over a year from the previous one, I
    have to get rechecked in May to decide if I'll have the cataracts
    removed.

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    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o ˘)
    --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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    and I like less than half of you
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  23. #23
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    x-no-archive: yes

    DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:

    > In the US, all of the new coatings are 'baked' into the polycarbonate. In the
    > past they were sprayed on, brushed on, painted on, etc. And, in the past it
    > was better if the factory did it, instead of after the fact, but, ... yes, as
    > we know, it also still peeled & bubbled up eventually.
    >
    > But, the new stuff, which is expensive, is well worth it for glare and is
    > scratch resistant.
    >


    Thanks, Donna, for the simplified explanation. I found the web site
    confusing. I'm glad the Crizal is more durable and can be added to my
    Varilux lenses. Each pair of my glasses costs close to $1000 between my
    share and my vision insurance's share by the time all is said and done,
    between high end frames, high index panamic progressive lenses, Crizal
    coatings and custom clip on sunglasses. YEESH.

    Susan

  24. #24
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    x-no-archive: yes

    Chris Malcolm wrote:

    > I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    > scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)
    >


    Too heavy, glary, and likely to shatter into your eye in an accident vs.
    polycarbonate.

    Susan

  25. #25
    W. Baker Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision

    Chris Malcolm <[email protected]> wrote:
    : Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

    : > "Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    : > news:[email protected]..
    : >> Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    : >>> x-no-archive: yes
    : >>
    : >>> Evelyn wrote:
    : >>
    : >>>> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the glasses
    : >>>> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    : >>>> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than ordinary
    : >>>> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always get
    : >>>> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    : >>>> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.
    : >>
    : >>> You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?
    : >>
    : >>> I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.
    : >>
    : >>> Never been offered a Crizal lens.
    : >>
    : >>> Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    : >>> into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    : >>> Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the coating
    : >>> for my needs.
    : >>
    : >> I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    : >> scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)

    : > The problem (or so I've been told) with glass is that it is heavy. Might be
    : > okay if you have thin lenses, but not if you have thicker ones.

    : I have very severe myopia, so conventional glass lenses would be very
    : thick and heavy. So I have them made of high refractive index glass,
    : and with very small lenses, so they end up being light.

    : > And it breaks.

    : At my age my vision is changing so slowly that a prescription lasts me
    : a decade. Although I'm rather careful with my spectacles even
    : toughened plastic lenses scratch much too easily to last out a decade
    : for me. But glass lenses are still in very good condition after ten
    : years.

    : --
    : Chris Malcolm

    I always wore glass lenses in my youth. I think tht was all they had. I
    woudl sometimes get a kind called satterproof, which I think has some kind
    of film ibetween two layers of glass that would hold the glass when it
    broke rather than shattering. I can wll remember fallin during sports
    activities in elementary school and having glass all over without the
    shatterproof. In Jr HS I would wear the glasses with a rubberband on the
    back to keep them on. boy did that hurt!!
    i I now have the thin plastic, but they seem to gunk up worse than the
    glasses of my youth.

    As for night driving, I think the problem s one of aging ees. If that
    Crizal works, it sounds wonderful! I wish I had known when my husband was
    still driving, as the night was difficult, so me often stayed home. I, of
    course, do not drive with my one-eyed lousy vision so these lenses might
    not be worth while. I will, however, ask my macula man about them as
    something insteard of sunglasses.

    Wendy

  26. #26
    Evelyn Guest

    Default Re: Deteriorating night vision


    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > DonnaB shallotpeel wrote:
    >
    >> In the US, all of the new coatings are 'baked' into the polycarbonate. In
    >> the
    >> past they were sprayed on, brushed on, painted on, etc. And, in the past
    >> it
    >> was better if the factory did it, instead of after the fact, but, ...
    >> yes, as
    >> we know, it also still peeled & bubbled up eventually. But, the new
    >> stuff, which is expensive, is well worth it for glare and is
    >> scratch resistant.
    >>

    >
    > Thanks, Donna, for the simplified explanation. I found the web site
    > confusing. I'm glad the Crizal is more durable and can be added to my
    > Varilux lenses. Each pair of my glasses costs close to $1000 between my
    > share and my vision insurance's share by the time all is said and done,
    > between high end frames, high index panamic progressive lenses, Crizal
    > coatings and custom clip on sunglasses. YEESH.
    >
    > Susan



    Susan I bought a totally separate pair of VERY cool looking Porsche Carrera
    sunglasses with the crizal lenses and progressive scrip. For me it made
    sense, since I use them every day for driving.

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    Evelyn

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    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
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  27. #27
    Evelyn Guest

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    "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gi8ftt$3tf$[email protected]..
    > Chris Malcolm <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > : > "Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > : > news:[email protected]..
    > : >> Susan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : >>> x-no-archive: yes
    > : >>
    > : >>> Evelyn wrote:
    > : >>
    > : >>>> No, that is the old stuff, which was a coating applied to the
    > glasses
    > : >>>> after they are made. The Crizal has the no glare BUILT IN to the
    > : >>>> actual product itself, plus it is super hard, much harder than
    > ordinary
    > : >>>> lenses. Look into it. It is not a coating. I used to always
    > get
    > : >>>> the coatings too, and the glasses got so dirty so quickly, and they
    > : >>>> scratched easier. Not the Crizal. It is amazing stuff.
    > : >>
    > : >>> You're saying your lenses are made of Crizal, and not polycarbonate?
    > : >>
    > : >>> I wear Varilux panamic high index progressives with Crizal coatings.
    > : >>
    > : >>> Never been offered a Crizal lens.
    > : >>
    > : >>> Okay, I just looked and it appears that they stick a layer of Crizal
    > : >>> into other lenses? The FAQ and descriptions are confusing. I use
    > : >>> Varilux, and it doesn't appear that I could use anything but the
    > coating
    > : >>> for my needs.
    > : >>
    > : >> I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    > : >> scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)
    >
    > : > The problem (or so I've been told) with glass is that it is heavy.
    > Might be
    > : > okay if you have thin lenses, but not if you have thicker ones.
    >
    > : I have very severe myopia, so conventional glass lenses would be very
    > : thick and heavy. So I have them made of high refractive index glass,
    > : and with very small lenses, so they end up being light.
    >
    > : > And it breaks.
    >
    > : At my age my vision is changing so slowly that a prescription lasts me
    > : a decade. Although I'm rather careful with my spectacles even
    > : toughened plastic lenses scratch much too easily to last out a decade
    > : for me. But glass lenses are still in very good condition after ten
    > : years.
    >
    > : --
    > : Chris Malcolm
    >
    > I always wore glass lenses in my youth. I think tht was all they had. I
    > woudl sometimes get a kind called satterproof, which I think has some kind
    > of film ibetween two layers of glass that would hold the glass when it
    > broke rather than shattering. I can wll remember fallin during sports
    > activities in elementary school and having glass all over without the
    > shatterproof. In Jr HS I would wear the glasses with a rubberband on the
    > back to keep them on. boy did that hurt!!
    > i I now have the thin plastic, but they seem to gunk up worse than the
    > glasses of my youth.
    >
    > As for night driving, I think the problem s one of aging ees. If that
    > Crizal works, it sounds wonderful! I wish I had known when my husband was
    > still driving, as the night was difficult, so me often stayed home. I, of
    > course, do not drive with my one-eyed lousy vision so these lenses might
    > not be worth while. I will, however, ask my macula man about them as
    > something insteard of sunglasses.
    >
    > Wendy



    Wendy they tend to stay cleaner than any other glasses I ever had too.
    Water doesn't stick to them. I wash them under running water with dish
    soap and rinse them well, then all I need to do is just shake them, and the
    water comes right off!

    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

    Rest in a sky-like mind.
    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
    Breathe like the wind circling the world


  28. #28
    Susan Guest

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    x-no-archive: yes

    Evelyn wrote:

    > Susan I bought a totally separate pair of VERY cool looking Porsche
    > Carrera sunglasses with the crizal lenses and progressive scrip. For
    > me it made sense, since I use them every day for driving.
    >


    Evelyn, it's $100 for the custom clip on, and I just can't keep track of
    sunglasses well, lose them all the time. No way I'm investing beaucoup
    bucks in them!

    Susan

  29. #29
    Loretta Eisenberg Guest

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    Evelyn, you are a god send. I just went to the doctor for my eyes and
    my night vision is not good, I ddnt need her to tell me that. I am
    afraid to drive at night.

    Next time I go to the opthamologist I wll just change the glass in my
    present frames and ask for what yu mentioned

    do you have an idea how much the lenses
    are

    Lorettaa


  30. #30
    MÓckę« Guest

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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:58:26 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    wrote:


    >Wendy they tend to stay cleaner than any other glasses I ever had too.
    >Water doesn't stick to them. I wash them under running water with dish
    >soap and rinse them well, then all I need to do is just shake them, and the
    >water comes right off!
    >



    my optician told me to never wash my crizal lenses with detergents.
    You might want to find out if you are cleaning yours right.

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  31. #31
    Evelyn Guest

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    "Loretta Eisenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Evelyn, you are a god send. I just went to the doctor for my eyes and
    > my night vision is not good, I ddnt need her to tell me that. I am
    > afraid to drive at night.
    >
    > Next time I go to the opthamologist I wll just change the glass in my
    > present frames and ask for what yu mentioned
    >
    > do you have an idea how much the lenses
    > are
    >
    > Lorettaa




    Loretta I would advise you to get really super foxy new frames with your
    Crizal lenses. They are going to last you. Take your old glasses and
    keep them for spares or for watching TV or something. It is going to be
    expensive but it is certainly worth it. I got a pair of prescription
    sunglasses with progressive lenses made in Crizal, with Porsche Carrera
    frames and it was about $720 for the whole thing. But they are so hot
    looking, and well worth every penny. You don't need to buy the most
    expensive frames, and of course the progressive (no line bifocals) lenses
    are more money too, but since I was spending for the Crizal, I went all out.
    I don't regret it.
    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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  32. #32
    Evelyn Guest

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    "MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:58:26 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Wendy they tend to stay cleaner than any other glasses I ever had too.
    >>Water doesn't stick to them. I wash them under running water with dish
    >>soap and rinse them well, then all I need to do is just shake them, and
    >>the
    >>water comes right off!
    >>

    >
    >
    > my optician told me to never wash my crizal lenses with detergents.
    > You might want to find out if you are cleaning yours right.


    Hi Mack,

    I seldom need to. Most of the time a quick wipe will do it. But that was
    what they told me to do where I went. No restrictions about washing them
    on the original paperwork that I got...... hmmmm. I have had the clear
    pair for almost 8 years now, and the sunglasses for 3, and been using a
    touch of dish soap and running water for many years with no damage at all.
    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

    Rest in a sky-like mind.
    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
    Breathe like the wind circling the world

    >
    > --
    > Mňckę« Deltec CoZmore Pumper
    > Type 1 since 1975
    > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
    > http://www.diabetic-talk.org
    > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
    > http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
    > http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
    > http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/
    >
    >
    > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    > President, or that we are to stand by the President
    > right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    > but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    > ...Theodore Roosevelt
    >
    > (o ˘)
    > --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
    >
    > "I don't know half of you
    > half as well as I should like;
    > and I like less than half of you
    > half as well as you deserve."
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    >
    >
    > DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
    > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
    > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
    > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
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  33. #33
    Evelyn Guest

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    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > Evelyn wrote:
    >
    >> Susan I bought a totally separate pair of VERY cool looking Porsche
    >> Carrera sunglasses with the crizal lenses and progressive scrip. For me
    >> it made sense, since I use them every day for driving.
    >>

    >
    > Evelyn, it's $100 for the custom clip on, and I just can't keep track of
    > sunglasses well, lose them all the time. No way I'm investing beaucoup
    > bucks in them!
    >
    > Susan



    When I had the clip ons, I lost the clips so many times! I was a regular
    customer. I'd take the clip off, put it in my pocket, and when I would go
    to pull it out, the little prong would rip off. So I went for the whole
    pair of separate glasses.
    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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  34. #34
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

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    On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:22:20 -0800, in <gi7het$j1n$[email protected]>
    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Chris Malcolm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> I always have my spec lenses made of this amazingly long lasting hard
    >> scratch resistant stuff called glass :-)

    >
    >The problem (or so I've been told) with glass is that it is heavy. Might be
    >okay if you have thin lenses, but not if you have thicker ones. And it
    >breaks.


    Oh, yeah, I used to wear glass glasses long ago, but was changed to first a
    polycarbonate and later to a high index polycarbonate.

    There are some regulations in the US about breakable glass that, I think, make
    it unrealistic for people to manufacture glass for thicker prescriptions aka
    more correction needed, but I've been told that in Europe, especially in
    Germany, you can get special thin glass glasses, however, the cost is about 4
    times what US polycarbonates are.

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  35. #35
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:20:42 -0500, in
    <[email protected]> MÓckę«
    <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:58:26 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Wendy they tend to stay cleaner than any other glasses I ever had too.
    >>Water doesn't stick to them. I wash them under running water with dish
    >>soap and rinse them well, then all I need to do is just shake them, and the
    >>water comes right off!

    >
    >my optician told me to never wash my crizal lenses with detergents.
    >You might want to find out if you are cleaning yours right.


    An owner of a chain of optical stores, an optician himself, told me that the
    best way to clean any & all glasses is warm (not hot) water with a tiny bit of
    liquid dish soap. FYI only.

    I use spray on eye glass cleaner that you buy. LOL

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  36. #36
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:57:39 -0500, in
    <[email protected]> MÓckę«
    <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:

    >the newest version of crizal does a great job of reducing the glare
    >from lights at night and sun light but can't eliminate the glare
    >linked to cataracts.


    That's true, but I think for many it may reduce glare, where nothing is going
    to eliminate it - especially if you have light sensitivity so glare has always
    been a problem even before cataract surgery.

    >One problem diabetics have more difficulty with
    >as a result of laser treatment for diabetic retinopathy.
    >
    >Eventually the cataract/s will have to be removed.


    My original cataract surgery was not done with a laser at all, but as
    micro-surgery. I've had one YAG Capsule lasering on one eye since then & will
    have the other eye YAG'd in mid-January. But, I don't think any of this has
    been specifically related to diabetic retinopathy.

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    Current ................... HbA1c 5.8 Byetta 5x2 begun 08-01-08

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  37. #37
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:36:39 -0500, in <gi8eed$av6$[email protected]>
    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yes, especially since cataracts tend to develop and worsen over time.


    The most common type does. Another type, which I had, appears & develops
    incredibly quickly, like in 6 months. That type is the furthest back, closest
    to the lens, and it is also associated with diabetics and may come much
    earlier than the most common type. FYI.

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    Current ................... HbA1c 5.8 Byetta 5x2 begun 08-01-08

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  38. #38
    DonnaB shallotpeel Guest

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    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:31:40 -0500, in <gi8742$mg9$[email protected]>
    "Evelyn" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yes, and my opthalmologist tells me that I have the earliest beginnings of
    >cataracts, and one day they may get bad enough to have to remove. But not
    >yet. All the more reason for me to have Crizal lenses in my sunglasses
    >too, which I do.


    After having my first eye cataract removal done, ... within a week ... I was
    so glad that I had it done & that I didn't have to wait. I was amazed at how
    much better I could see! And, since I had my vision correction in my implants
    I no longer need glasses all the time. I have a pair for night driving.

    I have another pair for reading & computer & everything in about a 7 ft.
    sphere around me. I totally love them. They have a couple of different names.
    This 'brand' is Access lenses. They are sorta like a no-line progressive
    bifocal but one half is for reading & the other half is for computer screen+
    AND they go almost all the way across unlike bifocals which have a limited
    amount where the vision is right, somewhere in the center area.

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  39. #39
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

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    In article <[email protected]>,
    DonnaB shallotpeel <[email protected]> wrote:

    > An owner of a chain of optical stores, an optician himself, told me that the
    > best way to clean any & all glasses is warm (not hot) water with a tiny bit of
    > liquid dish soap. FYI only.


    I keep a squeeze bottle containing a very dilute solution of dishwashing
    liquid and water on the edge of my kitchen sink. It's what I use to
    clean my glasses with.

    Once my mother came to visit and commented to me that I needed to change
    brands of dishwashing liquid because the stuff I was using was pretty
    wimpy. Upon investigating I discovered that she was trying to wash
    dishes with my eyeglass solution. I set her straight. I'd label it,
    but I live alone 99% of the time, and *I* know what it is!

    PP

  40. #40
    Evelyn Guest

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    "DonnaB shallotpeel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:20:42 -0500, in
    > <[email protected]> MÓckę«
    > <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:58:26 -0500, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Wendy they tend to stay cleaner than any other glasses I ever had too.
    >>>Water doesn't stick to them. I wash them under running water with dish
    >>>soap and rinse them well, then all I need to do is just shake them, and
    >>>the
    >>>water comes right off!

    >>
    >>my optician told me to never wash my crizal lenses with detergents.
    >>You might want to find out if you are cleaning yours right.

    >
    > An owner of a chain of optical stores, an optician himself, told me that
    > the
    > best way to clean any & all glasses is warm (not hot) water with a tiny
    > bit of
    > liquid dish soap. FYI only.
    >
    > I use spray on eye glass cleaner that you buy. LOL



    The spray on stuff is awful. I think it leaves my glasses more dirty than
    when I started. But it was my optician who told me to use the running
    water and dish soap, and that has been working perfectly.

    There are little packets with a tissue inside them that you can buy, just
    for the purpose of cleaning your glasses. They are really good, by the way.
    --
    --
    Best Regards,
    Evelyn

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    Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
    Breathe like the wind circling the world



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