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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Gantlet
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From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site

See what people you can trust say about
Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

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Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org
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Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site

: See what people you can trust say about
: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
: http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

: --
: Tom

: www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

Tom,

those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
could you give a little summary of the article?

Wendy
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:27 +0000, Gantlet wrote:

> From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>
> See what people you can trust say about
> Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
> http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp


I guess. FWIW - they note that LDL should be below 100 - my VA doc says
that for a diabetic it should be below 70.

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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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ray wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:27 +0000, Gantlet wrote:
>
>
>>From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>>
>>See what people you can trust say about
>>Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>>http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

>
>
> I guess. FWIW - they note that LDL should be below 100 - my VA doc says
> that for a diabetic it should be below 70.



Ann Epidemiol. 2005 May;15(5):405-13.
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A comparison of lipid variables as predictors of cardiovascular disease
in the Asia Pacific region.

Barzi F, Patel A, Woodward M, Lawes CM, Ohkubo T, Gu D, Lam TH, Ueshima
H; Asia Pacific Cohort Studies Collaboration.

The George Institute for International Health, University of Sydney,
Camperdown, NSW 2050, Australia. fbarzi@thegeorgeinstitute.org

PURPOSE: Many guidelines advocate measurement of total or low density
lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL), high density lipoprotein cholesterol
(HDL), and triglycerides (TG) to determine treatment recommendations for
preventing coronary heart disease (CHD) and cardiovascular disease
(CVD). This analysis is a comparison of lipid variables as predictors of
cardiovascular disease. METHODS: Hazard ratios for coronary and
cardiovascular deaths by fourths of total cholesterol (TC), LDL, HDL,
TG, non-HDL, TC/HDL, and TG/HDL values, and for a one standard deviation
change in these variables, were derived in an individual participant
data meta-analysis of 32 cohort studies conducted in the Asia-Pacific
region. The predictive value of each lipid variable was assessed using
the likelihood ratio statistic. RESULTS: Adjusting for confounders and
regression dilution, each lipid variable had a positive (negative for
HDL) log-linear association with fatal CHD and CVD. Individuals in the
highest fourth of each lipid variable had approximately twice the risk
of CHD compared with those with lowest levels. TG and HDL were each
better predictors of CHD and CVD risk compared with TC alone, with test
statistics similar to TC/HDL and TG/HDL ratios. Calculated LDL was a
relatively poor predictor. CONCLUSIONS: While LDL reduction remains the
main target of intervention for lipid-lowering, these data support the
potential use of TG or lipid ratios for CHD risk prediction.

PMID: 15840555 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

AND:


Asia Pacific Cohort Studies Collaboration, (Writing Committee: Barzi F
PA, Woodward M, Lawes CMM, Okhubo T, Gu D, Lam TH, Ueshima H). A
comparison of lipid variables as predictors of cardiovascular disease in
the Asia Pacific Region. Annals of Epidemiology 2005; 15: 405-413.

Put the nail in the coffin of LDL as a predictor of CVD. Even statin
manufacturers have concluded that statins reduce risk by some other
mechanism, not LDL lowering.

Susan

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Long term follow up on fat consumption and health: It's the trans fats
only:


1: Am J Clin Nutr 2001 Jun;73(6):1019-26>

Dietary fat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in>women.

Salmeron J, Hu FB, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Rimm>EB,
Willett WC.

Departments of Nutrition and>Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public
Health, Boston.>

BACKGROUND: The long-term relations between specific types of>dietary
fat and risk of type 2 diabetes remain unclear.>

OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to examine the relations between>dietary
fat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes.

DESIGN: We>prospectively followed 84204 women aged 34-59 y with no
diabetes,>cardiovascular disease, or cancer in 1980. Detailed dietary
information>was assessed at baseline and updated in 1984, 1986, and
1990 by using>validated questionnaires. Relative risks of type 2
diabetes were obtained>from pooled logistic models adjusted for
nondietary and dietary>covariates.

RESULTS: During 14 y of follow-up, 2507 incident cases>of type 2
diabetes were documented. Total fat intake, compared with>equivalent
energy intake from carbohydrates, was not associated with risk>of type
2 diabetes; for a 5% increase in total energy from fat, the>relative
risk (RR) was 0.98 (95% CI: 0.94, 1.02). Intakes of saturated>or
monounsaturated fatty acids were also not significantly>associated
with the risk of diabetes. However, for a 5% increase in>energy from
polyunsaturated fat, the RR was 0.63 (0.53, 0.76; P <>0.0001) and for
a 2% increase in energy from trans fatty acids the RR was>1.39 (1.15,
1.67; P = 0.0006). We estimated that replacing 2% of energy>from trans
fatty acids isoenergetically with polyunsaturated fat would>lead to a
40% lower risk (RR: 0.60; 95% CI: 0.48, 0.75).>

CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that total fat and saturated>and
monounsaturated fatty acid intakes are not associated with risk>of
type 2 diabetes in women, but that trans fatty acids increase>and
polyunsaturated fatty acids reduce risk. Substituting>nonhydrogenated
polyunsaturated fatty acids for trans fatty acids would>likely reduce
the risk of type 2 diabetes substantially.>

PMID: 11382654 [PubMed - in>process]


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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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Susan is intitled to her opinion.

however what she posted didnt even mention Heart Disease.

the American Diabetes Association is well aware of Harvard and infact
they fund and give awards for the studies.
Those at the ADA that actually know enough to get paid to review these
studies just didnt come to the same conclusion that so many in here seem to
have.


--
Tom

www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com
Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
Site.
http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...esz&redirCnt=1

Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
www.diabetes.org

Information on Specific Types of Fat.
http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...cific-fats.jsp














"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:54oul4F21dmrlU2@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>
>
> Long term follow up on fat consumption and health: It's the trans fats
> only:
>
>
> 1: Am J Clin Nutr 2001 Jun;73(6):1019-26>
>
> Dietary fat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in>women.
>
> Salmeron J, Hu FB, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Rimm>EB,
> Willett WC.
>
> Departments of Nutrition and>Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public
> Health, Boston.>
>
> BACKGROUND: The long-term relations between specific types of>dietary
> fat and risk of type 2 diabetes remain unclear.>
>
> OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to examine the relations between>dietary
> fat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes.
>
> DESIGN: We>prospectively followed 84204 women aged 34-59 y with no
> diabetes,>cardiovascular disease, or cancer in 1980. Detailed dietary
> information>was assessed at baseline and updated in 1984, 1986, and
> 1990 by using>validated questionnaires. Relative risks of type 2
> diabetes were obtained>from pooled logistic models adjusted for
> nondietary and dietary>covariates.
>
> RESULTS: During 14 y of follow-up, 2507 incident cases>of type 2
> diabetes were documented. Total fat intake, compared with>equivalent
> energy intake from carbohydrates, was not associated with risk>of type
> 2 diabetes; for a 5% increase in total energy from fat, the>relative
> risk (RR) was 0.98 (95% CI: 0.94, 1.02). Intakes of saturated>or
> monounsaturated fatty acids were also not significantly>associated
> with the risk of diabetes. However, for a 5% increase in>energy from
> polyunsaturated fat, the RR was 0.63 (0.53, 0.76; P <>0.0001) and for
> a 2% increase in energy from trans fatty acids the RR was>1.39 (1.15,
> 1.67; P = 0.0006). We estimated that replacing 2% of energy>from trans
> fatty acids isoenergetically with polyunsaturated fat would>lead to a
> 40% lower risk (RR: 0.60; 95% CI: 0.48, 0.75).>
>
> CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that total fat and saturated>and
> monounsaturated fatty acid intakes are not associated with risk>of
> type 2 diabetes in women, but that trans fatty acids increase>and
> polyunsaturated fatty acids reduce risk. Substituting>nonhydrogenated
> polyunsaturated fatty acids for trans fatty acids would>likely reduce
> the risk of type 2 diabetes substantially.>
>
> PMID: 11382654 [PubMed - in>process]
>
>



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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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More on fat and CVD:

J Nutr. 2002 Jul; 132(7): 1879-85. Related Articles, Links


A ketogenic diet favorably affects serum biomarkers for cardiovascular
disease in normal-weight men.

Sharman MJ, Kraemer WJ, Love DM, Avery NG, Gomez AL, Scheett TP, Volek JS.

Human Performance Laboratory, Department of Kinesiology, University of
Connecticut, Storrs 06269-1110, USA.

Very low-carbohydrate (ketogenic) diets are popular yet little is known
regarding the effects on serum biomarkers for cardiovascular disease
(CVD). This study examined the effects of a 6-wk ketogenic diet on
fasting and postprandial serum biomarkers in 20 normal-weight,
normolipidemic men. Twelve men switched from their habitual diet (17%
protein, 47% carbohydrate and 32% fat) to a ketogenic diet (30% protein,
8% carbohydrate and 61% fat) and eight control subjects consumed their
habitual diet for 6 wk. Fasting blood lipids, insulin, LDL particle
size, oxidized LDL and postprandial triacylglycerol (TAG) and insulin
responses to a fat-rich meal were determined before and after treatment.
There were significant decreases in fasting serum TAG (-33%),
postprandial lipemia after a fat-rich meal (-29%), and fasting serum
insulin concentrations (-34%) after men consumed the ketogenic diet.
Fasting serum total and LDL cholesterol and oxidized LDL were unaffected
and HDL cholesterol tended to increase with the ketogenic diet (+11.5%;
P = 0.066). In subjects with a predominance of small LDL particles
pattern B, there were significant increases in mean and peak LDL
particle diameter and the percentage of LDL-1 after the ketogenic diet.
There were no significant changes in blood lipids in the control group.
To our knowledge this is the first study to document the effects of a
ketogenic diet on fasting and postprandial CVD biomarkers independent of
weight loss. The results suggest that a short-term ketogenic diet does
not have a deleterious effect on CVD risk profile and may improve the
lipid disorders characteristic of atherogenic dyslipidemia.

PMID: 12097663 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Saturated fat prevents coronary artery disease? An American paradox1,2
Robert H Knopp and Barbara M Retzlaff
1 From the Northwest Lipid Research Clinic, University of Washington
School of Medicine, Seattle

2 Address reprint requests to RH Knopp, Northwest Lipid Research
Clinic, University of Washington, School of Medicine, 325 9th Avenue,
Seattle, WA 98104. E-mail: rhknopp@u.washington.edu.

See corresponding article on page 1175.


It is an article of faith that saturated fat raises LDL cholesterol and
accelerates coronary artery disease, whereas unsaturated fatty acids
have the opposite effect (1, 2). One of the earliest and most
convincing studies of the better efficacy of unsaturated than of
saturated fat in reducing cholesterol and heart disease is the Finnish
Mental Hospital Study conducted in the 12 y between 1959 and 1971. In
this study, the usual high-saturated-fat institutional diet was
compared with an equally high-fat diet in which the saturated fat in
dairy products was replaced with soybean oil and soft margarine and
polyunsaturated fats were used in cooking. Each diet was provided for 6
y and then the alternate diet was provided for the next 6 y (3). After
a comparison of the effects of the 2 diets in both men and women, the
incidence of coronary artery disease was lower by 50% and 65% after the
consumption of polyunsaturated fat in the 2 hospitals.

In this issue of the Journal, Mozaffarian et al (4) report the opposite
association. They found that a higher saturated fat intake is
associated with less progression of coronary artery disease according
to quantitative angiography. How can this paradox be explained? In
food-frequency questionnaires, saturated fat intake is more precisely
estimated than is total fat. If saturated fat is more precisely
estimated, it will associate more strongly in statistical analyses with
the outcome variable, even though other variables-such as total fat
or carbohydrate-could be more relevant physiologically. We believe
that these possibilities deserve a closer look.

Unlike the diet used in the Finnish Mental Hospital Study, the diet
described by Mozaffarian et al was low in fat, averaging 25% of energy.
The study subjects were women with coronary artery disease: most were
hypertensive, many had diabetes (19-31%), their body mass index
(kg/m2) ranged from 29 to 30, and their lipid profile indicated
combined hyperlipidemia (triacylglycerol concentration: 200 mg/dL;
HDL-cholesterol concentration: 40-50 mg/dL; above-average LDL
concentration: 135-141 mg/dL); these characteristics are consistent
with the metabolic syndrome. In addition, two-thirds of these women
were taking sex hormones. The importance of each of these points is
addressed below.

*********************What are the effects of a low-fat,
high-carbohydrate diet in comparison
with those of a higher-fat, lower-carbohydrate diet? The response
differs by the 2 main types of hyperlipidemia: simple
hypercholesterolemia and combined hyperlipidemia. In our studies of
simple hypercholesterolemia in men, a fat intake <25% of energy and a
carbohydrate intake >60% of energy was associated with a sustained
increase in triacylglycerol of 40%, a decrease in HDL cholesterol of
3.5%, and no further decrease in LDL in comparison with higher fat
intakes (5). In contrast, a low-fat diet in persons with combined
hyperlipidemia caused no worsening of triacylglycerol or HDL, but
intakes of fat >40% of energy and of carbohydrate <45% of energy for 2
y were associated with a lower triacylglycerol concentration at a
stable weight (6). In the subjects of Mozaffarian et al, a greater
saturated fat intake paralleled a total fat intake, which ranged from
18% to 32% of energy in the first to fourth quartiles. Modest favorable
trends in triacylglycerol and HDL-cholesterol concentrations were
observed with higher fat intakes.**************************

Triacylglycerol and HDL-cholesterol concentrations are stronger
predictors of coronary artery disease in women, whereas the
LDL-cholesterol concentration is a stronger predictor in men (7).
Because VLDL triacylglycerol secretion and removal rates in healthy
women are double those of men (8), conditions impairing lipoprotein
removal would be expected to exaggerate the hyperlipidemic response in
women as compared with that in men (9). This sex difference is seen
with the development of diabetes. The increment in lipids is greater in
women than in men and is associated with a greater increment in
coronary artery disease risk in women than in men (9). Similarly, the
development of insulin resistance and obesity is associated with a
greater lipoprotein increment in women than in men (10). The
exaggerated decreases in HDL- and HDL2-cholesterol concentrations
observed with the consumption of a low-fat Step II diet in women but
not in men appear to be another facet of this effect (11).

The failure of female sex hormones to prevent coronary artery disease
has been a great disappointment (9). This effect might also be due to
an estrogen-induced increase in lipoprotein entry against a fixed or
impaired rate of lipoprotein removal, as might be expected in women
with the metabolic syndrome and coronary artery disease.

Would saturated fat still be bad for anyone? Not necessarily. The
effect of saturated fat and cholesterol ingestion in the form of 4
eggs/d for 1 mo in obese, insulin-resistant subjects is 33% of that
seen in lean, insulin-sensitive subjects, likely because of diminished
cholesterol absorption (12). Thus, the classic effects of saturated fat
as compared with those of unsaturated fat seen in the Finnish Mental
Hospital Study are likely blunted in the subjects of Mozaffarian et al,
whereas the effects of low fat and high carbohydrate intakes on
triacylglycerol and HDL-cholesterol concentrations appear to be
exaggerated by the interactions of female sex, exogenous sex hormones,
and the metabolic syndrome. A major effect on cardiovascular disease
risk would be the result of hypertriglyceridemia and low
HDL-cholesterol concentrations, which are attenuated by an increase in
saturated fat intake itself or in total fat intake, for which saturated
fat is a more statistically stable surrogate (4).

In conclusion, the hypothesis-generating report of Mozaffarian et al
draws attention to the different effects of diet on lipoprotein
physiology and cardiovascular disease risk. These effects include the
paradox that a high-fat, high-saturated fat diet is associated with
diminished coronary artery disease progression in women with the
metabolic syndrome, a condition that is epidemic in the United States.
This paradox presents a challenge to differentiate the effects of
dietary fat on lipoproteins and cardiovascular disease risk in men and
women, in the different lipid disorders, and in the metabolic syndrome.


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Knopp RH, Walden CE, Retzlaff BM, et al. Long-term cholesterol-lowering
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Retzlaff BM, Walden CE, Dowdy AA, McCann BS, Anderson KV, Knopp RH.
Changes in plasma triacylglycerol concentrations among free-living
hyperlipidemic men adopting different carbohydrate intakes over 2 y:
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metabolism and cardiovascular disease in women. Atherosclerosis
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Mittendorfer B, Patterson BW, Klein S. Effect of sex and obesity on
basal VLDL-triacylglycerol kinetics. Am J Clin Nutr
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Barrett-Connor E, Giardina EG, Gitt AK, Gudat U, Steinberg HO, Tschoepe
D. Women and heart disease: the role of diabetes and hyperglycemia.
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Aikawa K, Retzlaff B, Fish B, et al. Dyslipidemia of insulin resistance
and obesity: gender differences. Circulation 2002;106(suppl 2):II-75
(abstr 377).
Walden CE, Retzlaff BM, Buck BL, Wallick S, McCann BS, Knopp RH.
Differential effect of the National Cholesterol Education Program
(NCEP) Step II diet on HDL cholesterol, its subfractions, and
apoprotein A-I levels in hypercholesterolemic women and men after 1
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote in message
news:TfFFh.6023$RN6.5465@trndny07...
> From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>
> See what people you can trust say about
> Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
> http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp


Who are these people we can trust?


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In article <GNHFh.6035$RN6.3014@trndny07>,
"Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

> Susan is intitled to her opinion.
>
> however what she posted didnt even mention Heart Disease.


True, the one about type 2 diabetes discussed diabetes. The cads!

The one you didn't quote was about "cardiovascular disease." I know
that's in code, so you might want to make a note that when you see that
phrase you should read it as "heart disease."

I know it's hard, but you can keep up if you really apply yourself.

Priscilla
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
: Susan is intitled to her opinion.

: however what she posted didnt even mention Heart Disease.

: the American Diabetes Association is well aware of Harvard and infact
: they fund and give awards for the studies.
: Those at the ADA that actually know enough to get paid to review these
: studies just didnt come to the same conclusion that so many in here seem to
: have.


: --
: Tom

: www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com
: Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web
: Site.
: http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/...esz&redirCnt=1

: Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association
: www.diabetes.org

: Information on Specific Types of Fat.
: http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...cific-fats.jsp

Please summarize articles.

Wendy












: "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
: news:54oul4F21dmrlU2@mid.individual.net...
: > x-no-archive: yes
: >
: >
: >
: > Long term follow up on fat consumption and health: It's the trans fats
: > only:
: >
: >
: > 1: Am J Clin Nutr 2001 Jun;73(6):1019-26>
: >
: > Dietary fat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in>women.
: >
: > Salmeron J, Hu FB, Manson JE, Stampfer MJ, Colditz GA, Rimm>EB,
: > Willett WC.
: >
: > Departments of Nutrition and>Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public
: > Health, Boston.>
: >
: > BACKGROUND: The long-term relations between specific types of>dietary
: > fat and risk of type 2 diabetes remain unclear.>
: >
: > OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to examine the relations between>dietary
: > fat intakes and the risk of type 2 diabetes.
: >
: > DESIGN: We>prospectively followed 84204 women aged 34-59 y with no
: > diabetes,>cardiovascular disease, or cancer in 1980. Detailed dietary
: > information>was assessed at baseline and updated in 1984, 1986, and
: > 1990 by using>validated questionnaires. Relative risks of type 2
: > diabetes were obtained>from pooled logistic models adjusted for
: > nondietary and dietary>covariates.
: >
: > RESULTS: During 14 y of follow-up, 2507 incident cases>of type 2
: > diabetes were documented. Total fat intake, compared with>equivalent
: > energy intake from carbohydrates, was not associated with risk>of type
: > 2 diabetes; for a 5% increase in total energy from fat, the>relative
: > risk (RR) was 0.98 (95% CI: 0.94, 1.02). Intakes of saturated>or
: > monounsaturated fatty acids were also not significantly>associated
: > with the risk of diabetes. However, for a 5% increase in>energy from
: > polyunsaturated fat, the RR was 0.63 (0.53, 0.76; P <>0.0001) and for
: > a 2% increase in energy from trans fatty acids the RR was>1.39 (1.15,
: > 1.67; P = 0.0006). We estimated that replacing 2% of energy>from trans
: > fatty acids isoenergetically with polyunsaturated fat would>lead to a
: > 40% lower risk (RR: 0.60; 95% CI: 0.48, 0.75).>
: >
: > CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that total fat and saturated>and
: > monounsaturated fatty acid intakes are not associated with risk>of
: > type 2 diabetes in women, but that trans fatty acids increase>and
: > polyunsaturated fatty acids reduce risk. Substituting>nonhydrogenated
: > polyunsaturated fatty acids for trans fatty acids would>likely reduce
: > the risk of type 2 diabetes substantially.>
: >
: > PMID: 11382654 [PubMed - in>process]
: >
: >


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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Alan S
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:17:34 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>
>: See what people you can trust say about
>: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>: http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp
>
>: --
>: Tom
>
>: www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com
>
>Tom,
>
>those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
>could you give a little summary of the article?
>
>Wendy


Hi Wendy

I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.

It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
other ADA nutrition pages.

But there is a glaring omission. The three major components
of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab reports
are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
anywhere of triglycerides on this page; nor a mention of the
effect a high carbohydrate diet has on those.

http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp
Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease

Cholesterol (ko-LES-ter-ol) is a waxy, fat-like substance
that is in all the body's cells, including the blood. Your
body needs cholesterol to make some hormones, vitamins, and
to help you digest. Your body makes all of the cholesterol
it needs. Cholesterol is also found in some foods you eat.

In the blood, cholesterol is carried in small packages
called lipoproteins (lip-o-PRO-teens). Two kinds of
lipoproteins carry cholesterol through your body. It's
important to have healthy levels of both LOW-density and
HIGH-density lipoproteins.

Low-density lipoproteins (LDL) can lead to a buildup of
cholesterol in the arteries. Some people call LDL "bad"
cholesterol. You can remember LDL by thinking, L is for
"Lousy." The higher the LDL level in your blood, the greater
chance you have of getting heart disease. That's pretty
lousy, indeed!

High-density lipoproteins (HDL) are also known as "good"
cholesterol (think, H is for "Happy"). HDL helps remove
cholesterol from your body, so the higher your HDL, the
lower your chance for getting heart disease.
How to Lower LDL

Generally speaking, you want your LDL cholesterol to be less
than 100. Here are some things you can do to lower your LDL
cholesterol.

* Stay physically active.
* Eat a diet low in cholesterol, saturated fat, and
trans fats.
* Keep your weight in a healthy range.
* Avoid smoking.

How to Raise HDL

If your HDL cholesterol is lower than 40 you may want to
work to raise it. There are many things you can do to raise
your HDL cholesterol.

* Stay physically active.
* Maintain a healthy weight.
* Avoid smoking.
* Cut trans fats.
* Increase monounsaturated fats in your diet.
Monounsaturated fats include canola oil, avocado oil, or
olive oil.
* Add soluble fiber to your diet. Foods with soluble
fiber include oats, fruits, vegetables, and legumes.
* Some research has also shown that moderate alcohol
consumption (1 or 2 drinks per day) can increase HDL levels.
Be warned that more than 1 or 2 drinks per day can have a
negative effect on your health. Talk to your doctor about
using alcohol to raise your HDL levels.

For more information about cholesterol, visit the National
Cholesterol Education Program.

(the url is http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/about/ncep/index.htm,
now to find the time to read it as well:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
Kurt
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> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
> >: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site

>
> >: See what people you can trust say about
> >: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
> >:http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

>
> >: --
> >: Tom

>
> >:www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

>
> >Tom,

>
> >those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
> >could you give a little summary of the article?

>
> >Wendy

>
> Hi Wendy
>
> I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.
>
> It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
> increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
> surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
> other ADA nutrition pages.
>
> But there is a glaring omission. The three major components
> of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab reports
> are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
> anywhere of triglycerides on this page


Some people seem to go out of their way to discredit the ADA by
misrepresenting them.

http://www.diabetes.org/weightloss-a...holesterol.jsp

>nor a mention of the
> effect a high carbohydrate diet has on those.


What is a "high carboyhydrate diet"? For some in here it is over 250
grams a day, for others it's anything over 30. And therein "lies" the
rub.

Kurt

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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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x-no-archive: yes

ray wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:25 -0500, Susan wrote:
>
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>ray wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:27 +0000, Gantlet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>>>
>>>>See what people you can trust say about
>>>>Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>>>>http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess. FWIW - they note that LDL should be below 100 - my VA doc says
>>>that for a diabetic it should be below 70.

>>
>>

>
> Didn't say I agreed or disagreed - I merely reported what the doc says.
>


The doc must not be aware of the increase in mortality risk for those
with LDL below 160. Particularly for the elderly, whose adrenals are
already functioning at a lower capacity.

Susan
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:25 -0500, Susan wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> ray wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:27 +0000, Gantlet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>>>
>>>See what people you can trust say about
>>>Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>>>http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

>>
>>
>> I guess. FWIW - they note that LDL should be below 100 - my VA doc says
>> that for a diabetic it should be below 70.

>
>


Didn't say I agreed or disagreed - I merely reported what the doc says.

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On 1 Mar 2007 15:26:51 -0800, "Kurt"
<kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>> >: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site

>>
>> >: See what people you can trust say about
>> >: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>> >:http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

>>
>> >: --
>> >: Tom

>>
>> >:www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

>>
>> >Tom,

>>
>> >those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
>> >could you give a little summary of the article?

>>
>> >Wendy

>>
>> Hi Wendy
>>
>> I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.
>>
>> It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
>> increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
>> surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
>> other ADA nutrition pages.
>>
>> But there is a glaring omission. The three major components
>> of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab reports
>> are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
>> anywhere of triglycerides on this page

>
>Some people seem to go out of their way to discredit the ADA by
>misrepresenting them.
>

How on earth is a full direct quote a misrepresentation?
There is no link on that page to this other one:
>http://www.diabetes.org/weightloss-a...holesterol.jsp
>

However, if you are going to give the link, note the
anomalies in the advice given on the two pages:

"What are cholesterol and triglyceride targets for people
with diabetes?
For most people with diabetes, target levels are:
* LDL cholesterol: <100 mg/dl
* HDL cholesterol: >45 mg/dl for men and >55 mg/dl
for women
* Triglycerides: <150 mg/dl

If my cholesterol and triglyceride levels are off-target,
what can I do?If your numbers are not on target, you can
take these steps:
* Work with a dietitian to develop your own meal
plan.
* Use less oil, butter, margarine, and other fats
when cooking.
* Choose low-fat dairy products.
* Eat small servings of meat, fish, and poultry.
* Eat more fruits and vegetables.
* Choose whole-grain bread and cereal.
* Try to exercise for 30 minutes most days.
* Follow your health care provider’s instructions
for taking medicine.
* If you smoke, get help to quit."

Now go back and read the page you first gave a link to. Can
you spot the differences?

>>nor a mention of the
>> effect a high carbohydrate diet has on those.

>
>What is a "high carboyhydrate diet"? For some in here it is over 250
>grams a day, for others it's anything over 30. And therein "lies" the
>rub.


Well, my personal subjective definition would include this
one as high-carb:

http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-an...n/starches.jsp
"The message today: Eat more whole grains! Whole grains and
starches are good for you because they have very little fat,
saturated fat, or cholesterol."

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:28 AM
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:43:02 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>Susan is intitled to her opinion.
>
>however what she posted didnt even mention Heart Disease.
>
>the American Diabetes Association is well aware of Harvard and infact
>they fund and give awards for the studies.
>Those at the ADA that actually know enough to get paid to review these
>studies just didnt come to the same conclusion that so many in here seem to
>have.


Excellent point Tom.

Repeating it for emphasis:

"Those at the ADA that actually know enough to get paid to
review these studies just didnt come to the same conclusion
that so many in here seem to have."

So, who paid? Do you remember the old cliche about pipers
and tunes?

See if you can count the ones in the "Banting Circle",
Platinum and Diamond levels which aren't drug companies,
health insurance (who would be concerned about strip cost
blowouts), grain food producers, beverage and confectionary
producers or similar. You won't need lots of fingers.

Of course, I would never suggest that such support might
cause some spin on published reviews; that would be silly
and cynical...wouldn't it?

http://www.diabetes.org/support-the-...ecognition.jsp

Banting Circle Elite

Minimum Annual Support $1,000,000

* Baxter
* Bayer HealthCare, Diagnostics Division
* BD Medical Diabetes Care *
* Eli Lilly and Company *
* GlaxoSmithKline
* Lifescan, Inc., a Johnson & Johnson Company
* Merck & Co., Inc.
* Novo Nordisk Inc. *
* Pfizer Inc.
* sanofi-aventis
* Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc. *

Banting Circle

Minimum Annual Support $500,000

* Abbott Laboratories, Inc.
* Abbott Laboratories, Ross Product Division
* AstraZeneca LP
* Bristol-Myers Squibb Company *
* Cadbury Schweppes Americas Beverages
* Gold's Gym International, Inc.
* McNeil Nutritionals, LLC
* Roche Diagnostics Corporation *

* Denotes Banting Circle "Honor Roll" company because of a
minimum $50,000 commitment to ADA's Research Program.
Platinum

Minimum Annual Support $250,000

* Bally Total Fitness
* General Mills, Inc.
* Kraft Foods
* Leisure Bay Industries, Inc.
* Medicool, Inc.
* Novartis Pharmaceuticals Corporation
* Wal-Mart
* Walgreen Co.

Diamond

Minimum Annual Support $100,000

* Abbott Diabetes Care
* Amylin Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
* AT&T
* Beiersdorf Medical
* Blue Cross Blue Shield Association
* Blue Moon Licensing
* Campbell Soup Company
* CARE Services, Inc.
* Colgate-Palmolive Company
* CVS Pharmacy
* Delta Dental
* Diabetic Promotions
* Focus Express Mail Pharmacy
* Health Care Products
* Home Diagnostics
* Liberty Medical Supply, Inc.
* MBNA
* Medtronic MiniMed
* Merisant U.S., Inc.
* Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc.
* Premera Blue Cross
* Puget Sound Energy
* Rite Aid Corporation
* Safeway Inc.
* Specialty Brands of America

Gold

Minimum Annual Support $50,000

* Aetna
* American Medical Supplies, II
* Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC
* Day-Timers, Inc.
* Dillon Read & Co., Inc.
* Dreamfields Pasta
* Entercom Norfolk
* First Commonwealth Bank
* Genexel-Sein
* Global Impact
* Great Lakes Medical Supply, Inc.
* H-E-B
* J.M. Smuckers Company
* Johnson & Johnson
* Johnson Controls
* Kaiser Permanente
* Kroger
* Lifestyle Center of America
* Manheim Remarketing Solutions
* Microsoft
* Nipro Diabetes Systems
* Ortho Biotech Products, L.P.
* Prous Science, SA
* Smiths Medical MD, Inc.
* Star Markets, LTD.
* Storck USA
* Unilever USA
* United Way
* UPS
* Valero Energy Corporation
* WellStar Health System
* Wilpak, Inc.

Silver

Minimum Annual Support $25,000

* 2nd Wind Exercise Equipment, Inc.
* ABKIT
* Advance Research Chemicals, Inc.
* Almased USA, Inc.
* American Airlines
* American Tours
* Animas Corporation
* Bank of America
* Benaroya
* Blaine Labs
* Bob Baker Auto Group
* CareFirst Bluecross Blueshield
* Carespring Health Care Management
* Charles Schwab
* Check Center
* Cox Communications
* Cox Enterprises
* CUB Pharmacy
* DaimlerChrysler Corporation
* DaVita Inc.
* Disetronic Medical Systems
* DLIFE TV
* Facet Technologies
* Georgia Power Company
* Giant Eagle
* Grace Pacific Corporation
* Greenberg Traurig
* Healthways
* Hemocue AB
* Humana
* Jones Soda Company
* KCI
* Knouse Foods
* Kramer Laboratories
* L&N Federal Credit Union
* Mary Kay
* Meadows, Owens, Collier, Reed, Cousins & Blau LLC
* Merrill Lynch
* Middle Tennessee Medical Center
* Moritz Auto Group
* National City
* Nestlé USA, Inc.
* ODS Companies
* Piedmont Healthcare
* Prairie Island Indian Community
* Ribbon of Road
* Saint Francis Health System
* Secure Horizons
* Shakopee Mdewakanton Sioux Community
* Solvay
* Sycuan Band of the Kumenyaay Nation
* The Honolulu Advertiser
* Tristar Publishing, Inc.
* UPMC Health System
* V & M Star LP
* Vanguard Car Rental USA Inc.
* Victus
* Wachovia
* Walden Farms
* Wells Fargo Bank, N.A.

Bronze

Minimum Annual Support $15,000

* ADM/KAO ENOVA OIL
* Albertson's Store Support Center
* American International Group
* Ameriprise Financial
* Anthem
* Atmos Energy
* Baptist Health South Florida
* Barilla America, Inc.
* BellSouth
* Bernard Food Industries, II
* Bio-Rad Laboratories
* Canvas Records
* Chevron Hawaii
* Columbia Sportswear
* Cox Health
* Energy Transfer Company
* Enterprise Rent-A-Car
* Exercycle Co.
* Fairwinds Credit Union
* FamilyMeds, Inc.
* Forest County Potawatomi Community
* Fred Martin Motor Company
* GE Consumer Finance
* GKV Communications
* Health Alliance Plan
* Homrich & Berg
* Hooters of America
* Huitt Zollars
* Incline Medical
* Jamba Juice Hawaii
* Kindred Healthcare
* Kryphon, Inc.
* La Grange Acquisition, L.P.
* Legg Mason Wood Walker, Inc.
* Lions Club International District 22-W
* Lockheed Martin
* Louisville Slugger
* Martin Marietta Materials
* Medical Trends, SL
* Navarro Discount Pharmacies
* New Balance
* O'Keeffe's Company
* Oregon Trail State Volkssport Assoc.
* Origin Biomedicinals Inc.
* PacifCare/Secure Horizons
* PBM Pharmaceuticals
* Pepsico-Quaker Oats Co.
* Pharmavite
* Recovery Place Inc.
* Relion Product Marketing
* Sam's Club
* State Farm Insurance
* Stone Mountain Harley Davidson
* Subaru Western Division
* Sunbelt Communications
* SYSCO/Louisville
* The Home Depot
* Tipton & Unroe Foot and Ankle Care
* Tohono O'Odham Gaming Authority
* Waco Ladies Auxiliary, Inc.
* WellPoint, Inc.
* XTO Energy


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 03-02-2007, 04:29 AM
Ozgirl
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Kurt wrote:
>> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>> >: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site

>>
>> >: See what people you can trust say about
>> >: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>> >:http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

>>
>> >: --
>> >: Tom

>>
>> >:www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com

>>
>> >Tom,

>>
>> >those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using

the urls,
>> >could you give a little summary of the article?

>>
>> >Wendy

>>
>> Hi Wendy
>>
>> I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.
>>
>> It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
>> increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
>> surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
>> other ADA nutrition pages.
>>
>> But there is a glaring omission. The three major

components
>> of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab

reports
>> are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
>> anywhere of triglycerides on this page

>
> Some people seem to go out of their way to discredit the

ADA by
> misrepresenting them.
>
>

http://www.diabetes.org/weightloss-a...holesterol.jsp
>
>>nor a mention of the
>> effect a high carbohydrate diet has on those.

>
> What is a "high carboyhydrate diet"? For some in here it

is over 250
> grams a day, for others it's anything over 30. And

therein "lies" the
> rub.


Ok, to be more specific, excess carbs become triglycerides.
If one has high triglycerides and none of the other factors
that cause high triglycerides are in the equation then one
can guarantee that the excess carbs are the culprit. When
carb modification takes place then triglyceride levels drop
accordingly.

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Old 03-02-2007, 04:29 AM
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Priscilla H. Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
> In article <GNHFh.6035$RN6.3014@trndny07>,
> "Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:


>> Susan is intitled to her opinion.
>>
>> however what she posted didnt even mention Heart Disease.


> True, the one about type 2 diabetes discussed diabetes. The cads!


Which is well understood by the medical community to be a very serious
risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

> The one you didn't quote was about "cardiovascular disease." I know
> that's in code, so you might want to make a note that when you see that
> phrase you should read it as "heart disease."


> I know it's hard, but you can keep up if you really apply yourself.


> Priscilla


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Old 03-02-2007, 04:29 AM
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:36 -0500, Susan wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> ray wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:25 -0500, Susan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>>ray wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:50:27 +0000, Gantlet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>>>>
>>>>>See what people you can trust say about
>>>>>Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>>>>>http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess. FWIW - they note that LDL should be below 100 - my VA doc says
>>>>that for a diabetic it should be below 70.
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Didn't say I agreed or disagreed - I merely reported what the doc says.
>>

>
> The doc must not be aware of the increase in mortality risk for those
> with LDL below 160. Particularly for the elderly, whose adrenals are
> already functioning at a lower capacity.
>
> Susan


In that case, I guess I'll be in real trouble. I've never had TOTAL
cholesterol above 160.

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Old 03-02-2007, 04:29 AM
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"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:12ueqi1rcp3nlee@news.supernews.com...
: Kurt wrote:
: >> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
: >
: > What is a "high carboyhydrate diet"? For some in here it
: is over 250
: > grams a day, for others it's anything over 30. And
: therein "lies" the
: > rub.
:
: Ok, to be more specific, excess carbs become triglycerides.
: If one has high triglycerides and none of the other factors
: that cause high triglycerides are in the equation then one
: can guarantee that the excess carbs are the culprit. When
: carb modification takes place then triglyceride levels drop
: accordingly.
:

This I am living proof of! While my bg's can stand for me to
eat 150-200gm of carbs a day.. my trigs definately cannot
and it does show it when I get my blood work done every
3-6mons. I had blood work done 6mons ago and my trigs
were around 430 iirc? I knew exactly why, none of us had
wanted to cook and were eating out lots. My doctor wanted
to put me on a statin and I told her, no, I'll just stop eating
out and we'll see what happens in 3 months, if it's not better
then I'll go on a statin. After 3mons and eating at home.. not
eating processed foods and eating out.. my trigs were back
down to 104. My HDL is always the same because of no
exercise.. my cholesterol is always the same no matter how
badly I eat. just my trigs and ldl are reflective of eating too
many carbs in my diet. and with eating at home, I can't get
up to eating 150-200gm a day of carbs.. so my carbs have
been reduced back to 120-150gm a day, if not lower.


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Old 03-04-2007, 06:43 AM
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Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Mar 2007 15:26:51 -0800, "Kurt"
> <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:


>>> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
>>> >: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
>>>
>>> >: See what people you can trust say about
>>> >: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
>>> >:http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp


>>> >Tom,
>>>
>>> >those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
>>> >could you give a little summary of the article?


>>> I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.
>>>
>>> It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
>>> increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
>>> surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
>>> other ADA nutrition pages.
>>>
>>> But there is a glaring omission. The three major components
>>> of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab reports
>>> are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
>>> anywhere of triglycerides on this page


>>Some people seem to go out of their way to discredit the ADA by
>>misrepresenting them.


> How on earth is a full direct quote a misrepresentation?


This has often come up before in discussions of what the ADA's
position is on this or that or the other. Those of the ADA's web pages
which are written by the ADA are a special case because the ADA often
misrepresents itself. Therefore if you quote the wrong ADA page, even
in its entirety, you may well be misrepresenting them.

It's rather like quoting the Bible of the Koran in that respect. You
need to be something of a scholar with expertise in the entire opus to
get it right. We are fortunate in asd to have such scholars among us
to explain what the ADA really thinks, as opposed to what it might
have written on one particular page or other.

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Old 03-04-2007, 06:43 AM
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Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
: Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
: > On 1 Mar 2007 15:26:51 -0800, "Kurt"
: > <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:

: >>> >Gantlet <T...@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote:
: >>> >: From the American Diabetes Associations Web Site
: >>>
: >>> >: See what people you can trust say about
: >>> >: Diabetes, Cholesterol & Heart Disease.
: >>> >:http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-cholesterol.jsp

: >>> >Tom,
: >>>
: >>> >those of us who aare on dial-up or have difficulty using the urls,
: >>> >could you give a little summary of the article?

: >>> I'll brave the copyright laws and give you the lot.
: >>>
: >>> It's actually pretty good, and the recommendations on
: >>> increases in "good fat" consumption for raising HDL are
: >>> surprisingly different to the dietary recommendations on
: >>> other ADA nutrition pages.
: >>>
: >>> But there is a glaring omission. The three major components
: >>> of the "Total Cholesterol" that you get in your lab reports
: >>> are LDL, HDL and triglycerides. There is not a mention
: >>> anywhere of triglycerides on this page

: >>Some people seem to go out of their way to discredit the ADA by
: >>misrepresenting them.

: > How on earth is a full direct quote a misrepresentation?

: This has often come up before in discussions of what the ADA's
: position is on this or that or the other. Those of the ADA's web pages
: which are written by the ADA are a special case because the ADA often
: misrepresents itself. Therefore if you quote the wrong ADA page, even
: in its entirety, you may well be misrepresenting them.

: It's rather like quoting the Bible of the Koran in that respect. You
: need to be something of a scholar with expertise in the entire opus to
: get it right. We are fortunate in asd to have such scholars among us
: to explain what the ADA really thinks, as opposed to what it might
: have written on one particular page or other.

: --
: Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
: IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
: [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

this month in Diabetes Forcast, the ADA's magazine for diabtic patients,
not professionals, there is an article on the kinds of foods to eat. Once
again there is a warning against eating low carb, DEFINED BY THEM as less
thatn 130 grams a day. I would guess that his means that is the ADA's
advice to diabetics. It doesn't seem to represent much rethinking, but
mor of a amintatining the status quo.

I am not editorializing, just stating what was said in the aticle.

Wendy
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:43 AM
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W. Baker wrote:
>
> this month in Diabetes Forcast, the ADA's magazine for diabtic patients,
> not professionals, there is an article on the kinds of foods to eat. Once
> again there is a warning against eating low carb, DEFINED BY THEM as less
> thatn 130 grams a day. I would guess that his means that is the ADA's
> advice to diabetics. It doesn't seem to represent much rethinking, but
> mor of a amintatining the status quo.
>
> I am not editorializing, just stating what was said in the aticle.
>
> Wendy


I think this is an example of the unchanging flawed ADA dogma that many
of us complain about here.

AFAIK, this advice is based on the old study that shows that the brain
needs ~130g of GLUCOSE a day, which ignores that fact that in an "unfed
state" ketones cross the blood-brain barrier and can supply about 70% of
the brain's energy needs. It also ignores the fact that the body is
quite capable of making 130g of glucose a day from amino acids in the
process called gluconeogenesis. That 130g doesn't have to come from
dietary carbs.

You'd think somebody at the ADA would have heard about gluconeogenesis,
but it seems it's too easy to never challenge your own wisdom. Which
reminds me of most political parties.

Jim
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Old 03-04-2007, 06:43 AM
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