Diet Myths debunked

An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is
currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily
Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs, 30%
form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet myths
....
Myth 1

Low-fat diets are the best way to lose weight and stay healthy

Myth 2

Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes

Myth 3

Low-carb, high-protein diets (such as the Atkins Diet) are best

Myth 4

You can't drink too much water

Myth 5

Diet is more important than exercise

Myth 6

Lack of dietary fibre causes bowel cancer

Myth 7

Phytosterols - a safe way to reduce cholesterol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...it/hwine30.xml

I wonder what his qualifications are for "exploding" these myths, but
I'm not likely to take diet advice from a "drunken English Professor at
any rate." ;-)
--
Cheri

Peter C wrote in message ...
>An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is
>currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the
Daily
>Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs,
30%
>form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet
myths
>...
>Myth 1
>
>Low-fat diets are the best way to lose weight and stay healthy
>
>Myth 2
>
>Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes
>
>Myth 3
>
>Low-carb, high-protein diets (such as the Atkins Diet) are best
>
>Myth 4
>
>You can't drink too much water
>
>Myth 5
>
>Diet is more important than exercise
>
>Myth 6
>
>Lack of dietary fibre causes bowel cancer
>
>Myth 7
>
>Phytosterols - a safe way to reduce cholesterol
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...2006/11/30/nos
plit/hwine30.xml
>
>
>
>
>
>

In article <YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
"Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Myth 2
>
> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes

He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any
value in this idiot's writing?

Priscilla

"Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
> An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is
> currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily
> Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs, 30%
> form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet
> myths

Is the guy a professor of the English language and literature (you know,
like an English Department in a university) or professor in a University in
England? Or both?

Either way, the Daily Telegraph is not a good source of medical information.

I would not recommend following his advice.

Jeff

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-3ECFC6.17134230112006@individual.net...
> In article <YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> "Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Myth 2
>>
>> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes
>
> He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any
> value in this idiot's writing?

His writing has lots of value. It helps the Daily Telegraph sell papers.
However, as a reliable source of medical information, I don't see any value.

As far as saying sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes, he is
correct. Sugar doesn't cause these. Excessive consumption of sugar causes
diabetes and obesity, especially when combined with a lack of excercise. In
addition, he appears to be focusing on causes that one can change. So, that
may be why he doesn't mention genetics.

Don't get me wrong, this guy is full of ca ca. I am not defending him.

I am just pointing out an altenative view.

Jeff

> Priscilla

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:13:42 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article <YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> "Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Myth 2
>>
>> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes
>
>He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any
>value in this idiot's writing?
>
>Priscilla

Best to read the articles, rather than Peter's very brief
resume.

I haven't finished them yet, but he's not an idiot and he's
certainly not a "drunken English Professor".
Read this first:
http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html

That doesn't mean I agree with him in everything he writes -
I can't, because I haven't yet read it all because there is
a lot to read - but base any opinions on what he writes
rather than a second-hand opinion.

Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little
further than the title for someone who bases his diet around
red wine:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:18:05 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is
>> currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily
>> Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs, 30%
>> form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet
>> myths
>
>Is the guy a professor of the English language and literature (you know,
>like an English Department in a university) or professor in a University in
>England? Or both?
>
>Either way, the Daily Telegraph is not a good source of medical information.
>
>I would not recommend following his advice.
>
>Jeff
>

Read: http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html

Roger Corder
BSc, MSc, PhD, MRPharmS

Professor of Experimental Therapeutics

Roger Corder studied pharmacy at the University of
Portsmouth before taking a pre-registration position in
North East Thames Regional Heath Authority, which included
training in clinical pharmacy under the tutelage of Paul
Turner at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. After qualifying as a
pharmacist in 1978 he embarked on a career in research
through positions in Endocrinology and Chemical Pathology at
the Medical College of St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. He
obtained an MSc in Pharmacology from the University of East
London in 1981, and was awarded a PhD in 1986 from the
University of London for his studies of neuropeptide Y. He
undertook research for five years in the Department of
Medicine in Geneva, Switzerland before returning to London
in 1991 to take up a position of senior scientist leading
endothelin research at the William Harvey Research
Institute. He became Professor of Experimental Therapeutics
in 2000. Since 2000 he has also been chairman of the
management committee of the William Harvey Research
Foundation (http://www.whrf.org.uk).

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari

I don't like wine. Now, if he were a beer drinking drunken professor, I
might listen. ;-)

--
Cheri

Alan S wrote in message ...

>Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little
>further than the title for someone who bases his diet around
>red wine:-)
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>--
>http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari

He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he
didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth."

--
Cheri

Alan S wrote in message ...

>I haven't finished them yet, but he's not an idiot and he's
>certainly not a "drunken English Professor".
>Read this first:
>http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html

"Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...

<snip>
>
> Myth 2
>
> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes

<snip>

Eh? I didn't bother to read this through. But does this mean he says sugar
consumption DOES cause obesity and diabetes?

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In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:52:16 GMT in Msg.#
<kVLbh.16079$LH2.7226@trndny04>, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

> Eh? I didn't bother to read this through. But does this mean he says sugar
> consumption DOES cause obesity and diabetes?

That's an example of that old myth about obfuscation, right? <G>

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:18:05 GMT, "Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I would not recommend following his advice.
>
>Jeff

G'day G'day Jeff,

He gets some things right that other writers have missed.

For example he recognises the value of lutein and zeaxanthin for
protecting eyesight.

Where except from around here would you get such information?

He also recognises that the diet of Crete was a standout winner
amongst the Mediterranean diets.

Where except from around here would you get such information?

OK, some of his Myth Busting appear as conjectures that are as likely
to create new myths as to bust old ones.

Maybe it helps to think of it as a mixed bag and decide what to keep
and what to throw out. IMHO he provides us with a seed for healthy
discussion. How about it?

Best wishes,
--
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New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:j7ydnb_FBLqj6PLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he
> didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth."

He's a professor dealing with nutrition etc.
not only has he probably read Atkins, he might well have students doing
dissertations, theses, PhDs about it.

In article <9SIbh.4894$sf5.2319@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
"Jeff" <jeff@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-3ECFC6.17134230112006@individual.net...
> > In article <YjHbh.272$3S1.266@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> > "Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Myth 2
> >>
> >> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes
> >
> > He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any
> > value in this idiot's writing?
>
> His writing has lots of value. It helps the Daily Telegraph sell papers.
> However, as a reliable source of medical information, I don't see any value.
>
> As far as saying sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes, he is
> correct. Sugar doesn't cause these.

Uh, he said that it was a myth that it didn't. That means he believe it
does.

> Excessive consumption of sugar causes
> diabetes and obesity, especially when combined with a lack of excercise. In
> addition, he appears to be focusing on causes that one can change. So, that
> may be why he doesn't mention genetics.
>
> Don't get me wrong, this guy is full of ca ca. I am not defending him.
>
> I am just pointing out an altenative view.
>
> Jeff

Priscilla

Alan S wrote:

> Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little
> further than the title for someone who bases his diet around
> red wine:-)

Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt
Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries.

This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription.

Frank

"Jefferson" <xyz@adelphia.netng> wrote in message
news:rcudnSyrEZlZ4u3YnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@adelphia.com ...

> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine -
> http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt
> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries.
>
> This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription.

No it's the same study just a different newspaper reporting it.

Jefferson wrote:

> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt
> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries.
>
> This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription.
>
Frank

Also in Peanut skins. Here is supporting link:

http://tinyurl.com/y48em7
<\begin quote>
"Peanut skin could provide an inexpensive source of natural
antioxidants, such as catechins and procyanidin, for use in food and
dietary supplements," said Jianmei Yu from North Carolina A&T State
University, lead author of a new study on how peanut skin removal
techniques affect polyphenolic content and anti-oxidant activity."

"Peanut skin contained higher concentration of procyanidin trimers
and tetramers than grape seed which gives peanut skin a comparative
advantage as a source of potent antioxidants," said the researchers.

The total antioxidant activity (TAA) of the peanut skin extracts
"increased almost linearly with increasing concentration of total
phenolics, and they were higher than those of Trolox [vitamin E
analogue] and vitamin C with exception of TAA of crude extract from the
blanched peanut skin," reported Yu."
<\end quote>

Anil
T2DM
Eating Plant based Whole Food diet + 100miles/month walk :-)
A1C 5.8 dx June 05
2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication
Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL

Well, his comment on the Atkins Diet was wrong, so he obviously doesn't
understand it. There's a big difference between "induction" and
maintenance, and Atkins doesn't disallow vegetables or fruit at all.

--
Cheri

Peter C wrote in message ...
>
>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:j7ydnb_FBLqj6PLYnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@inreach.com ...
>> He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he
>> didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth."
>
>He's a professor dealing with nutrition etc.
>not only has he probably read Atkins, he might well have students doing
>dissertations, theses, PhDs about it.
>
>

On 1 Dec 2006 12:14:47 -0800, "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Jefferson wrote:
>
>> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt
>> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries.
>>
>> This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription.
>>
> Frank
>
>Also in Peanut skins. Here is supporting link:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/y48em7
><\begin quote>
>"Peanut skin could provide an inexpensive source of natural
>antioxidants, such as catechins and procyanidin, for use in food and
>dietary supplements," said Jianmei Yu from North Carolina A&T State
>University, lead author of a new study on how peanut skin removal
>techniques affect polyphenolic content and anti-oxidant activity."
>
>"Peanut skin contained higher concentration of procyanidin trimers
>and tetramers than grape seed which gives peanut skin a comparative
>advantage as a source of potent antioxidants," said the researchers.
>
>The total antioxidant activity (TAA) of the peanut skin extracts
>"increased almost linearly with increasing concentration of total
>phenolics, and they were higher than those of Trolox [vitamin E
>analogue] and vitamin C with exception of TAA of crude extract from the
>blanched peanut skin," reported Yu."
><\end quote>
>
>Anil
>T2DM
>Eating Plant based Whole Food diet + 100miles/month walk :-)
>A1C 5.8 dx June 05
>2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication
>Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL

An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole
boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again. I put them in the
same food group as haggis, tripe and brains - delicacies
I've tried at least once but now leave for those who
appreciate them, because I certainly don't.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari

Alan S wrote:
>
> An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole
> boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again.

Oh personally I do prefer eating live peanuts over dead ones :-).
But thats another story.

Well if you see the main article at the root of this thread you do have
good choices listed. They all can be part of a prudent diet. Here is
the list I am reproducing from original article.

<\begin quote>

Variety is important, so even though you drink red wine, eat apples and
add other polyphenol-rich foods to your diet, remember that complete
nutrition means eating a wide range of foods.

Almonds, hazelnuts and peanuts also contain procyanidins in their
skins.

There are plenty of delicious alternative sources of procyanidins.
Chocolate, apples and cranberries, for example, all contain abundant
amounts of procyanidins.

And procyanidins are not the only polyphenols that have a beneficial
effect on blood-vessel function. Pomegranates, for example, are a rich
source of many different polyphenols, which make a good substitute for
the procyanidins in wine.

Approximately 50g of raspberries - or 100g of blackberries,
strawberries or redcurrants - contain similar amounts of polyphenols
to a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine.

Cranberries are a rich source of procyanidins, which is what accounts
for this protective action against UTIs. They are a different type to
those found in wine, chocolate and apples, so while they have a similar
effect on blood-vessel function to wine, wine does not have the same
action on the urinary tract.

Dried cranberries are a convenient alternative. Approximately 40g of
dried cranberries are equivalent to a 250ml serving of juice, and the
added sugar in most dried cranberries is slightly less than the sugar
content of regular cranberry juice drinks

Red Delicious and Granny Smiths are also good choices for procyanidin
content, but have very low amounts of vitamin C.

A 250ml glass of Concord purple grape juice contains about the same
amount of procyanidins as a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine

<\end quote>

Anil
T2DM
When it comes eating greens, moderation is the last thing I think of :-)

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
: On 1 Dec 2006 12:14:47 -0800, "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com>
: wrote:

: >
: >Jefferson wrote:
: >
: >> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt
: >> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries.
: >>
: >> This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription.
: >>
: > Frank
: >
: >Also in Peanut skins. Here is supporting link:
: >
: >http://tinyurl.com/y48em7
: ><\begin quote>
: >"Peanut skin could provide an inexpensive source of natural
: >antioxidants, such as catechins and procyanidin, for use in food and
: >dietary supplements," said Jianmei Yu from North Carolina A&T State
: >University, lead author of a new study on how peanut skin removal
: >techniques affect polyphenolic content and anti-oxidant activity."
: >
: >"Peanut skin contained higher concentration of procyanidin trimers
: >and tetramers than grape seed which gives peanut skin a comparative
: >advantage as a source of potent antioxidants," said the researchers.
: >
: >The total antioxidant activity (TAA) of the peanut skin extracts
: >"increased almost linearly with increasing concentration of total
: >phenolics, and they were higher than those of Trolox [vitamin E
: >analogue] and vitamin C with exception of TAA of crude extract from the
: >blanched peanut skin," reported Yu."
: ><\end quote>
: >
: >Anil
: >T2DM
: >Eating Plant based Whole Food diet + 100miles/month walk :-)
: >A1C 5.8 dx June 05
: >2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication
: >Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL

: An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole
: boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again. I put them in the
: same food group as haggis, tripe and brains - delicacies
: I've tried at least once but now leave for those who
: appreciate them, because I certainly don't.

: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
: d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
: Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
: --
: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
: http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
: latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari

I have never had boiled peanuts, but when we used to get the peanuts,
roasted in their shells, i woudl eatthe skins along with the nuts with no
problem.

Wendy

G'day G'day Anil,

What was the URL for the "original article?"

Thanks

Best wishes
Quentin.


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On 1 Dec 2006 15:44:09 -0800, "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote:

>Here is
>the list I am reproducing from original article.
>
><\begin quote>
>
>Variety is important, so even though you drink red wine, eat apples and
>add other polyphenol-rich foods to your diet, remember that complete
>nutrition means eating a wide range of foods.
>
>Almonds, hazelnuts and peanuts also contain procyanidins in their
>skins.
>
>There are plenty of delicious alternative sources of procyanidins.
>Chocolate, apples and cranberries, for example, all contain abundant
>amounts of procyanidins.
>
>And procyanidins are not the only polyphenols that have a beneficial
>effect on blood-vessel function. Pomegranates, for example, are a rich
>source of many different polyphenols, which make a good substitute for
>the procyanidins in wine.
>
>Approximately 50g of raspberries - or 100g of blackberries,
>strawberries or redcurrants - contain similar amounts of polyphenols
>to a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine.
>
>Cranberries are a rich source of procyanidins, which is what accounts
>for this protective action against UTIs. They are a different type to
>those found in wine, chocolate and apples, so while they have a similar
>effect on blood-vessel function to wine, wine does not have the same
>action on the urinary tract.
>
>Dried cranberries are a convenient alternative. Approximately 40g of
>dried cranberries are equivalent to a 250ml serving of juice, and the
>added sugar in most dried cranberries is slightly less than the sugar
>content of regular cranberry juice drinks
>
>Red Delicious and Granny Smiths are also good choices for procyanidin
>content, but have very low amounts of vitamin C.
>
>A 250ml glass of Concord purple grape juice contains about the same
>amount of procyanidins as a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine
>
><\end quote>

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady wrote:
> G'day G'day Anil,
>
> What was the URL for the "original article?"
The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your health
- http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...it/hwine30.xml

I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up.

Frank

G'day G'day Quentin,


Quentin Grady wrote:
> G'day G'day Anil,
>
> What was the URL for the "original article?"
>
> Thanks
>
> Best wishes
> Quentin.
>

The article appeared in Telegraph (UK) publication in 4 parts. Here are
all the URLs:

o Drink wine, eat well, live longer. Really! - 27 Nov 2006
- http://tinyurl.com/ydzvpx
o The Wine Diet, day 2: Spice up your life and save your heart - 28
Nov 2006
- http://tinyurl.com/ycmpsw
o The wine diet, day 3: how to live well - and save your life - 29 Nov
2006
- http://tinyurl.com/ym6erz
o The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your
health - 30 Nov 2006
- http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt

Interview with Professor Roger Corder
It's a diet- but not as we know it - http://tinyurl.com/yzkv9p

I suspect your request was for some other article. But I am not sure.
The only other article that I referenced in this thread is on peanut
skins. Here is the URL for that article:

o Peanut waste to rival grape seed extracts?
- http://tinyurl.com/y48em7
I had also included this link in response to Frank's contribution.

I have been quite perplexed as to why whole peanuts have not been
mentioned here more often. I know there are people who have peanut
allergies. But that is relatively a very small minority. For the rest
its an excellent source of so many vital micro nutrients. I know
personally I have enormously benefited from using them as one of my
staple diets! If it is mentioned at all, it is done with total distaste
giving a novice person a wrong impression that its best avoided! I have
no clue why such negative opinions are forcefully expressed. Sure for
some they may not work but such is the case with many food preferences!
Any way not my loss. I continue to enjoy them!

As always wishing you the very best!

Anil

Anil wrote:
> G'day G'day Quentin,
> Quentin Grady wrote:
> > What was the URL for the "original article?"
> > Thanks
> > Best wishes


And in case you are realy looking for the "root" research paper you can
read about this study in the journal Nature, November 30 issue. I don't
subscribe to "Nature". Sorry.

===========
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...s/444566a.html

Oenology: Red wine procyanidins and vascular health

R. Corder1, W. Mullen2, N. Q. Khan1, S. C. Marks2, E. G. Wood1, M. J.
Carrier1 and A. Crozier1

Regular, moderate consumption of red wine is linked to a reduced risk
of coronary heart disease and to lower overall mortality1, but the
relative contribution of wine's alcohol and polyphenol components to
these effects is unclear2. Here we identify procyanidins as the
principal vasoactive polyphenols in red wine and show that they are
present at higher concentrations in wines from areas of southwestern
France and Sardinia, where traditional production methods ensure that
these compounds are efficiently extracted during vinification. These
regions also happen to be associated with increased longevity in the
population.

===========

Anil
T2DM

G'day G'day Anil,


When I first diagnosed with T2 diabetes I spent considerable time
deciding on "staple" items for my own personal diet. These are foods
that I would prefer to have in my diet given a choice of similar
items. Almonds and hazelnuts provided me with months of thinking.
Almonds and hazelnuts seemed to be outstanding but it was difficult if
not impossible to decide which was better. In both cases I insisted
on raw nuts with their skins on.

I was hoping you had a source that listed the procyanidin levels of
almonds and hazelnuts with their skins on.

Best wishes and thank you,
Quentin.



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On 2 Dec 2006 19:16:05 -0800, "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Anil wrote:
>> G'day G'day Quentin,
>> Quentin Grady wrote:
>> > What was the URL for the "original article?"
>> > Thanks
>> > Best wishes
>
>
>And in case you are realy looking for the "root" research paper you can
>read about this study in the journal Nature, November 30 issue. I don't
>subscribe to "Nature". Sorry.
>
>===========
>http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...s/444566a.html
>
>Oenology: Red wine procyanidins and vascular health
>
>R. Corder1, W. Mullen2, N. Q. Khan1, S. C. Marks2, E. G. Wood1, M. J.
>Carrier1 and A. Crozier1
>
>Regular, moderate consumption of red wine is linked to a reduced risk
>of coronary heart disease and to lower overall mortality1, but the
>relative contribution of wine's alcohol and polyphenol components to
>these effects is unclear2. Here we identify procyanidins as the
>principal vasoactive polyphenols in red wine and show that they are
>present at higher concentrations in wines from areas of southwestern
>France and Sardinia, where traditional production methods ensure that
>these compounds are efficiently extracted during vinification. These
>regions also happen to be associated with increased longevity in the
>population.
>
>===========
>
>Anil
>T2DM

--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:53:50 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng>
wrote:

>Quentin Grady wrote:
>> G'day G'day Anil,
>>
>> What was the URL for the "original article?"
> The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your health
>- http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...it/hwine30.xml
>
>I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up.
>
>Frank

G'day G'day Frank,

The original article I was looking for was the one that gave
procyanidin levels for other foods eg mulberries, peanuts, hazelnuts,
almonds. There is a natural tendency for people to gravitate towards
wine in these discussions but IMHO a complete diet needs other sources
or procyanidins.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Jefferson wrote:
>
> I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up.
>

Try http://tinyurl.com/y9y283, It does seem to work for me. He has
plenty of "common sense" advice. Here is more from it.

"Many people follow a weight loss diet until they reach their target
and then put the weight back on. Unless you change the way you eat and
start to exercise you are not going to see a permanent loss of body fat
or a long-term improvement in your health.

If you want to lose weight, meals have to be satisfying so that you do
not resort to snacks.

Apart from fruit - or vegetables such as cherry tomatoes, carrots,
celery or peppers - I do not recommend snacking between meals,
especially if you are trying to lose weight. A break between meals
allows your body to enter fat-burning mode.

Cutting out REFINED starchy foods and sugary foods and drinks will help
curb cravings.

Regular exercise and eating at the times that suit you best will
benefit your health and well-being. If these changes do not result in
gradual weight loss over a few months then controlling portion size is
the next step."

Note the emphasis on exercise! He seems to suggest that long term gains
are simply not possible without adding this essential component to
lifestyle change. He is in in good company here.

Anil
T2DM

Quentin Grady wrote:
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> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:53:50 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Quentin Grady wrote:
>>
>>>G'day G'day Anil,
>>>
>>> What was the URL for the "original article?"
>>
>> The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your health
>>- http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt
>>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...it/hwine30.xml
>>
>>I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up.
>>
>>Frank
>
>
> G'day G'day Frank,
>
> The original article I was looking for was the one that gave
> procyanidin levels for other foods eg mulberries, peanuts, hazelnuts,
> almonds. There is a natural tendency for people to gravitate towards
> wine in these discussions but IMHO a complete diet needs other sources
> or procyanidins.

Concentration of PAs in common foods
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/3/613/T1

The amount of procyanidins per unit of measure is given in the table:
Blueberries, cultivated highbush; Blueberries, lowbush; Cranberries;
Blackberries; Marion berries; Choke berries; Raspberries;
Strawberries; Blackcurrants; Cherries; Green grapes; Red grapes; Grape
seed (dry); Apple, red delicious, with peel; Apple, red delicious
without peel; Apple, golden delicious, with peel; Apple, golden
delicious, without peel; Apple, granny smith; Apple, gala; Apple, fuji;
Apple sauce; Peaches; Peach, canned heavy syrup; Pears, green cultivars;
Nectarines; Black plums; Plums, black diamond; Plums; Apricots; Kiwis,
gold; Kiwis; Avocados; Mangos; Dates, Deglet Noor (fresh); Bananas;
Vegetable - Indian squash, raw; Cereals and beans - Sorghum, sumac bran;
Sorghum, sumac whole grain; Sorghum, hi-tannin whole grain; Sorghum,
hi-tannin whole grain extrudate; Pinto beans, raw; Pinto beans,
simmered; Small red beans; Red kidney beans; Barley; Black eye peas;
Black beans; Nuts - Hazelnuts; Pecans; Pistachios; Almonds; Walnuts;
Peanuts, roasted; Peanut butter; Cashews; Baking chocolate, unsweetened;
Black chocolate; Milk chocolate; Chocolate milk; Red wine; Beer;
Cranberry juice cocktail; Grape juice; Apple juice; Spices - Cinnamon,
ground; and Curry powder.

The threads (including one of the more recent ones -
http://tinyurl.com/ycctfj)- we have had on ORACS is reminence of this
list indicating that procyanidins may be a significant part part of
their antioxidant effects. We need all we can get to offset oxidative
stress common in diabetes.

As you are aware, procyanidins a class of polyphenols, but for the sake
of others is the following:

Dietary Intake and Bioavailability of Polyphenols -
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/8/2073S
This article has been cited 313 times - http://tinyurl.com/y8xc6t.

Frank

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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:24:37 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng>
wrote:

>Concentration of PAs in common foods
>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/3/613/T1


G'day G'day Frank,

If we take oligmeric to mean half dozen to a dozen condensed units
that suggests the important column in the 7 to 10.
>
>The threads (including one of the more recent ones -
>http://tinyurl.com/ycctfj)- we have had on ORACS is reminence of this
>list indicating that procyanidins may be a significant part part of
>their antioxidant effects. We need all we can get to offset oxidative
>stress common in diabetes.
>
>As you are aware, procyanidins a class of polyphenols, but for the sake
>of others is the following:
>
>Dietary Intake and Bioavailability of Polyphenols -
>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/8/2073S

Interesting that apples score higher than red wine.

Perhaps an apple a day would do more to keep the doctor away.

In New Zealand there was an investigation done a few years back to
find which varieties had the highest concentration of antioxidants.

Maybe it was specifically polyphenol content.
You have encouraged me to go back and find the information.

I tried to encourage a good friend of mine to graft some onto trees in
his orchard. He told me there was a good reason why "old varieties"
became old varieties. People didn't like them.


>This article has been cited 313 times - http://tinyurl.com/y8xc6t.
>
>Frank

Thank you Frank. You encourage me to search for factual material that
can be of real use to us rather than newspaper headline grabbing
splurbs.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Jefferson wrote:

The wine diet, day 5: how to keep off all the pounds you have lost -
http://tinyurl.com/y9y283 (short link).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ma...01/hwine01.xml

Frank = Jefferson