Fibre Question

On 5/18/08 1:57 AM, in article
482fef49$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:munv24dhpvili9i3lrqpie4meiulhedgh2@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:26 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well I am totally changing my thinking and direction.
>>> My doctor was wrong and allowed me to be complacent - he seems to think
>>> below 7 is excellent control and that seems to be 1 point too high.
>>> I am totally grateful for the response I have had here.
>>
>> Well, if you take that as a bg reading and not an A1c, he's not far
>> wrong :P DUK ran a campaign called "Life's Better Under 7" a few years
>> ago; I really like the T-shirt, but not precisely for the reasons they
>> intended!
>
> Ha! no he meant it as A1c - he is happy for me to be 7!
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
>
My endo was happy for me to be under 7 once too. Then he was happy for me to
be under 6.5. Now he's happy for me to be under 6. I think it's the old
story of the donkey and the carrot.

--
Martha T2 Canada
1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia

"MI" <quilchenapark@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On 5/18/08 1:57 AM, in article
> 482fef49$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>> news:munv24dhpvili9i3lrqpie4meiulhedgh2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:26 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I am totally changing my thinking and direction.
>>>> My doctor was wrong and allowed me to be complacent - he seems to think
>>>> below 7 is excellent control and that seems to be 1 point too high.
>>>> I am totally grateful for the response I have had here.
>>>
>>> Well, if you take that as a bg reading and not an A1c, he's not far
>>> wrong :P DUK ran a campaign called "Life's Better Under 7" a few years
>>> ago; I really like the T-shirt, but not precisely for the reasons they
>>> intended!
>>
>> Ha! no he meant it as A1c - he is happy for me to be 7!
>>>
>>> Nicky.
>>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>>
>>
> My endo was happy for me to be under 7 once too. Then he was happy for me
> to
> be under 6.5. Now he's happy for me to be under 6. I think it's the old
> story of the donkey and the carrot.
>
Yes a lot of heartache could hve been avoided if we had that knowledge years
ago

> --
> Martha T2 Canada
> 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia
>

On Sun, 18 May 2008 19:10:31 GMT, MI <quilchenapark@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>
>
>On 5/18/08 1:57 AM, in article
>482fef49$0$1024$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "David"
><forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>> news:munv24dhpvili9i3lrqpie4meiulhedgh2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:26 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I am totally changing my thinking and direction.
>>>> My doctor was wrong and allowed me to be complacent - he seems to think
>>>> below 7 is excellent control and that seems to be 1 point too high.
>>>> I am totally grateful for the response I have had here.
>>>
>>> Well, if you take that as a bg reading and not an A1c, he's not far
>>> wrong :P DUK ran a campaign called "Life's Better Under 7" a few years
>>> ago; I really like the T-shirt, but not precisely for the reasons they
>>> intended!
>>
>> Ha! no he meant it as A1c - he is happy for me to be 7!
>>>
>>> Nicky.
>>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>>
>>
>My endo was happy for me to be under 7 once too. Then he was happy for me to
>be under 6.5. Now he's happy for me to be under 6. I think it's the old
>story of the donkey and the carrot.

Sounds like a story about a good endo to me:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs? i.e.
> >> if
> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3 gms
> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
> >
> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was in.
> >
> > Priscilla
>
> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!

Why eat the fruit?

Priscilla

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
>> >> i.e.
>> >> if
>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
>> >> gms
>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>> >
>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
>> > in.
>> >
>> > Priscilla
>>
>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>
> Why eat the fruit?

Do you know another way?


>
> Priscilla

On May 18, 5:29*pm, "David" <forgot...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> Yes a lot of heartache could hve been avoided if we had that knowledge years
> ago

Literally, in my case. ;o)

John C.

"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
>>> >> i.e.
>>> >> if
>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
>>> >> gms
>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>> >
>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
>>> > in.
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>>
>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>
>> Why eat the fruit?
>
> Do you know another way?

Another way for what?

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>
>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
>>>> >> i.e.
>>>> >> if
>>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
>>>> >> gms
>>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>>> >
>>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
>>>> > in.
>>>> >
>>>> > Priscilla
>>>>
>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>
>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>
>> Do you know another way?
>
> Another way for what?
Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?

..

David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

: "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
: news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
: >
: > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: > news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
: >>
: >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
: >> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
: >>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
: >>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
: >>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
: >>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
: >>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
: >>>> >
: >>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
: >>>> >> i.e.
: >>>> >> if
: >>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
: >>>> >> gms
: >>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
: >>>> >
: >>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
: >>>> > in.
: >>>> >
: >>>> > Priscilla
: >>>>
: >>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
: >>>
: >>> Why eat the fruit?
: >>
: >> Do you know another way?
: >
: > Another way for what?
: Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
: juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
: So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
: what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
: Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
: I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
: in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?

Not as long as you eat plenty of leafy and other non-starchy vegetables
lke that brocolli:-) I eat smlall amounts of frut at breakfast and
sometimes at dinner, like tonight when I had 6 cherries as a dessert.
Very delicious!

Wendy

In article <48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
> > In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
> >> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> >> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
> >> >> i.e.
> >> >> if
> >> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
> >> >> gms
> >> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
> >> >
> >> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
> >> > in.
> >> >
> >> > Priscilla
> >>
> >> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
> >
> > Why eat the fruit?
>
> Do you know another way?

To do what? Spike your BG? Most fruits are loaded with sugar.

Priscilla, T2

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> : "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> : news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
> : >
> : > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> : > news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> : >>
> : >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> : >> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
> : >>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> : >>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> : >>>
> : >>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> : >>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
> : >>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> : >>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> : >>>> >
> : >>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
> carbs?
> : >>>> >> i.e.
> : >>>> >> if
> : >>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix
> in 3
> : >>>> >> gms
> : >>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
> : >>>> >
> : >>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it
> was
> : >>>> > in.
> : >>>> >
> : >>>> > Priscilla
> : >>>>
> : >>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
> : >>>
> : >>> Why eat the fruit?
> : >>
> : >> Do you know another way?
> : >
> : > Another way for what?
> : Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
> : juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
> : So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
> : what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
> : Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
> : I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or
> antioxidants
> : in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>
> Not as long as you eat plenty of leafy and other non-starchy vegetables
> lke that brocolli:-) I eat smlall amounts of frut at breakfast and
> sometimes at dinner, like tonight when I had 6 cherries as a dessert.
> Very delicious!

Gosh 6 cherries! I remember a time when I could go through 5 lbs of
cherries and not think a thing about it!
(guess will have to get used to that damned brocolli!)

>
> Wendy
>
>

In article <4831f86b$0$30464$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
> >
> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> >>
> >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
> >>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> >>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
> >>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> >>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
> >>>> >> i.e.
> >>>> >> if
> >>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
> >>>> >> gms
> >>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
> >>>> > in.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Priscilla
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
> >>>
> >>> Why eat the fruit?
> >>
> >> Do you know another way?
> >
> > Another way for what?
> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
> juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
> what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
> I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
> in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?

There's nothing in fruit that you can't get in non-starchy vegies...
except for a load of sugar.

Have a nice salad or stir fry, and then maybe some berries for dessert.
They're about the only fruit that's relatively safe for BG control.

In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
that doesn't bother my meter.

Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4831f86b$0$30464$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
>> >
>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> >>
>> >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>> >>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> >>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>> >>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> >>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>> >>>> >> carbs?
>> >>>> >> i.e.
>> >>>> >> if
>> >>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in
>> >>>> >> 3
>> >>>> >> gms
>> >>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it
>> >>>> > was
>> >>>> > in.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Priscilla
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>> >>>
>> >>> Why eat the fruit?
>> >>
>> >> Do you know another way?
>> >
>> > Another way for what?
>> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
>> juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
>> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
>> what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
>> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
>> I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
>> in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>
> There's nothing in fruit that you can't get in non-starchy vegies...
> except for a load of sugar.
>
> Have a nice salad or stir fry, and then maybe some berries for dessert.
> They're about the only fruit that's relatively safe for BG control.
>
> In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
> Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
> that doesn't bother my meter.

Good, I may just stick with blueberries we get them here in season -
congrats on your control with just diet and exercise - that is wonderful

> Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In article <48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>> > In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>> >> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> >> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>> >> >> carbs?
>> >> >> i.e.
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
>> >> >> gms
>> >> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>> >> >
>> >> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
>> >> > in.
>> >> >
>> >> > Priscilla
>> >>
>> >> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>> >
>> > Why eat the fruit?
>>
>> Do you know another way?
>
> To do what? Spike your BG? Most fruits are loaded with sugar.

You are absolutely right thanks Priscilla - I get your point and fruit can
be dumped or maybe just have a tiny bit now and then! Hard to get away from
the entrenched ideas but then I do want to extend my life! T

>
> Priscilla, T2

David wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
>>
>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>
>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>>>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>>>>> In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>>>>>>> carbs? i.e.
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix
>>>>>>> in 3 gms
>>>>>>> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it
>>>>>> was in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>>
>>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>>
>>> Do you know another way?
>>
>> Another way for what?
> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink
> fruit juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it
> - what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
> I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or
> antioxidants in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?

There is nothing in fruit that you can't get in raw vegetables. But you
could try eating a few berries on their own away from a meal and see how
your bg's fare.

David wrote:
> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:g0t4ks$lbv$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
>>>>
>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>>>>>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>>>>>>> In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>>>>>>>>> carbs? i.e.
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I
>>>>>>>>> mix in 3 gms
>>>>>>>>> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything
>>>>>>>> it was in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know another way?
>>>>
>>>> Another way for what?
>>> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink
>>> fruit juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
>>> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat
>>> it - what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
>>> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at
>>> all. I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or
>>> antioxidants in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>>
>> Not as long as you eat plenty of leafy and other non-starchy
>> vegetables lke that brocolli:-) I eat smlall amounts of frut at
>> breakfast and sometimes at dinner, like tonight when I had 6
>> cherries as a dessert. Very delicious!
>
> Gosh 6 cherries! I remember a time when I could go through 5 lbs of
> cherries and not think a thing about it!
> (guess will have to get used to that damned brocolli!)

Or you could slice a few strawbs etc into a sugar free jello and when set
eat it with a little whipped cream. Makes you feel like you are having more
than you really are

On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:17:16 -0400, Priscilla Ballou posted:

>There's nothing in fruit that you can't get in non-starchy vegies...
>except for a load of sugar.
>
>Have a nice salad or stir fry, and then maybe some berries for dessert.
>They're about the only fruit that's relatively safe for BG control.
>
>In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
>Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
>that doesn't bother my meter.

Just tried a new dessert; Ricotta con Crema, with a little grated
orange rind, a sprinkling of cinnamon, Splenda, and some cut-up
strawberries. Yum!

--
roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
>>>
>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>
>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>>>>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>>>>>> In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>>>>>>>> carbs? i.e.
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix
>>>>>>>> in 3 gms
>>>>>>>> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it
>>>>>>> was in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>>>
>>>> Do you know another way?
>>>
>>> Another way for what?
>> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink
>> fruit juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
>> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it
>> - what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
>> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
>> I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or
>> antioxidants in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>
> There is nothing in fruit that you can't get in raw vegetables. But you
> could try eating a few berries on their own away from a meal and see how
> your bg's fare.

yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as long as I
can have a mango on my birthday!
I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to thank this
group for.

>

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69f17lF32dnmbU1@mid.individual.net...
> David wrote:
>> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0t4ks$lbv$1@reader2.panix.com...

[......]
>> Gosh 6 cherries! I remember a time when I could go through 5 lbs of
>> cherries and not think a thing about it!
>> (guess will have to get used to that damned brocolli!)
>
> Or you could slice a few strawbs etc into a sugar free jello and when set
> eat it with a little whipped cream. Makes you feel like you are having
> more than you really are

Yes I see that strawberries are only around 1 carb each -and whipped cream .
.. . yum - great idea That is the best low carb idea I've seen for a great
desert -
thanks!

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:23:20 +1200, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:52:29 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Well, if you take that as a bg reading and not an A1c, he's not far
>>wrong :P DUK ran a campaign called "Life's Better Under 7" a few years
>>ago; I really like the T-shirt, but not precisely for the reasons they
>>intended!
>>
>>Nicky.
>
>As a bloke, I'm enjoying the joke and I'm laughing discreetly.
>Hey, that way maybe no one will notice I don't get it ... well not
>entirely.

Heh I'm wearing the T today, as it happens - it's annual vampire
day, strikes me as appropriate wear - you have my permission to
imagine away, Quentin :P

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

David wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> news:69f13tF32a626U1@mid.individual.net...
>> David wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:tpkYj.23$5H5.15@trndny02...
>>>>
>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:48319c3b$0$30460$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>>>>>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>>>>>>> In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>>>>>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the
>>>>>>>>> carbs? i.e.
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix
>>>>>>>>> in 3 gms
>>>>>>>>> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything
>>>>>>>> it was in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know another way?
>>>>
>>>> Another way for what?
>>> Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink
>>> fruit juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
>>> So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat
>>> it - what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
>>> Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at
>>> all. I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or
>>> antioxidants in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>>
>> There is nothing in fruit that you can't get in raw vegetables. But
>> you could try eating a few berries on their own away from a meal and
>> see how your bg's fare.
>
> yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as
> long as I can have a mango on my birthday!
> I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to
> thank this group for.

I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
pineapple with ham salad etc.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69fhi3F32iav9U1@mid.individual.net...
> David wrote:
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>> news:69f13tF32a626U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> David wrote:

[........]
>
>> yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as
>> long as I can have a mango on my birthday!
>> I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to
>> thank this group for.
>
> I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
> pineapple with ham salad etc.
Nice combo . . . Ozgirl you need to come to my place and make friends with
my wife - so she can learn a thing or two!!

David wrote:
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> news:69fhi3F32iav9U1@mid.individual.net...
>> David wrote:
>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>>> news:69f13tF32a626U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> David wrote:
>
> [........]
>>
>>> yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as
>>> long as I can have a mango on my birthday!
>>> I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to
>>> thank this group for.
>>
>> I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
>> pineapple with ham salad etc.
> Nice combo . . . Ozgirl you need to come to my place and make
> friends with my wife - so she can learn a thing or two!!

lol, women don't often like to be shown how to do things especially in
the kitchen! You got a death wish or something?

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:69fi89F32av7tU1@mid.individual.net...
> David wrote:
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>> news:69fhi3F32iav9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> David wrote:
>>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:69f13tF32a626U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> David wrote:
>>
>> [........]
>>>
>>>> yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as
>>>> long as I can have a mango on my birthday!
>>>> I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to
>>>> thank this group for.
>>>
>>> I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
>>> pineapple with ham salad etc.
>> Nice combo . . . Ozgirl you need to come to my place and make
>> friends with my wife - so she can learn a thing or two!!
>
> lol, women don't often like to be shown how to do things especially in
> the kitchen! You got a death wish or something?

Ha ha! ok I think you are right, she is in that 'sensitive' time of her life
as well!
>
>

On Tue, 20 May 2008 01:27:17 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:vze23t8n-4F8335.11215419052008@individual.net...
>> In article <482df784$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vze23t8n-A1A785.12563316052008@individual.net...
>>> > In article <482c9966$0$30466$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs?
>>> >> i.e.
>>> >> if
>>> >> the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3
>>> >> gms
>>> >> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>>> >
>>> > It would reduce only its own carbs, not the carbs of anything it was
>>> > in.
>>> >
>>> > Priscilla
>>>
>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>
>> Why eat the fruit?
>
>Do you know another way?
>
>
>>
>> Priscilla
>
Well, another approach.

In between meals, at least a couple of hours since the last
meal, eat one piece of fruit. Any fruit you like. After
45-60 minutes test your blood glucose level. If the result
is OK - great. Now you know you can eat a full piece of
fruit at that time of day. If not, repeat the experiment
same time tomorrow with half a piece of fruit. Continue
until you find the portion size and timing that allows you
to eat that fruit.

Then apply the same logic to your meals.

At your stage I would define "OK" for those tests as
140(7.8mmol/l).

Incidentally, my personal limit is a half-orange or
half-apple or equivalent, and only after noon.

I last drank juice - fruit or vege - in 2002.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:00:37 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
>in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?

Actually, I try to include a piece of fruit or some berries
daily. And I vary the fruits and berries both seasonally and
daily as much as I can.

See my other post on how, and google almost any a.s.d post
by Quentin to see why.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:54:44 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as long as I
>can have a mango on my birthday!
>I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to thank this
>group for.

One of my favourites is mango, which I have peeled,
de-seeded, cubed and frozen in season, mixed with home-made
yoghurt and a little sweetener. The yoghurt makes a little
mango go a long way (reducing the BG's effect), the frozen
cubes make the concoction like an iced slurpee, and the
freezing process causes the mango to disintegrate and spread
wonderfully as a flavour through the yoghurt.

Bliss.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

I bought some strawberries that were turnin a bit too fast for me so i
pureed them and mixed in splenda and vanillia and yogurt and some fresh
cream and froze the lot...yummy strawberry ice cream!

i shoulda made a custard base with eggyolks and cream and mised that into it
for a creamy texture this is a bit icy for my tastes..but the taste is spot
on.

KROM

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gi7534pj8e2j2gqv8duptv23b5tfgigife@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:54:44 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as long as
>>I
>>can have a mango on my birthday!
>>I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to thank
>>this
>>group for.
>
> One of my favourites is mango, which I have peeled,
> de-seeded, cubed and frozen in season, mixed with home-made
> yoghurt and a little sweetener. The yoghurt makes a little
> mango go a long way (reducing the BG's effect), the frozen
> cubes make the concoction like an iced slurpee, and the
> freezing process causes the mango to disintegrate and spread
> wonderfully as a flavour through the yoghurt.
>
> Bliss.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

I eat strawberries and fresh whipped cream about once a month..my fav treat
that does zero to blood sugar and is filling and sinful..lol

KROM

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>
> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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>> David wrote: