Fibre Question

Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
> In article <48321b86$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>>>>> Why eat the fruit?
>>>> Do you know another way?
>>> To do what? Spike your BG? Most fruits are loaded with sugar.
>> You are absolutely right thanks Priscilla - I get your point and fruit can
>> be dumped or maybe just have a tiny bit now and then! Hard to get away from
>> the entrenched ideas but then I do want to extend my life! T
>
> Well done! You've got your mind open and, rather than letting your
> brain fall out, you're learning from other's experience. You're going
> to do fine! If you're not already a berry fiend, try learning to love
> them. They have lots more than just being easy on the meter to
> recommend them. :-)
>
> I've made a great blueberry bake with a topping made of chopped walnuts,
> oat bran, cinnamon, minced lemon peel, butter, artificial sweetener, and
> a little oatmeal. Serve warm with a custard sauce sweetened with
> artificial sweetener. Dessert for the gods!
>
> Priscilla, T2
try rhubarb on that custard sauce

make the rhubarb as a 'betty' or a crumble, using artificial sweeteners

delish

--
kate
type 1 since 1987
www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.diabetes-support.org.uk/n...diagnosed.html

There is a company that I found that has a low carb juice. "Old Orchard"
http://www.oldorchardjuice.com/juice...hb_appcran.htm they
have several cranberry like cranberry promagranet ( not a good speller here)
and others 5 to 6 grams of Carbs per serving. Taste like the real juice.



"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> If I add fibre to fruit juice, would it effectivly reduce the carbs? i.e.
> if the carb content of a glass of juice is 10 gms carbs and I mix in 3 gms
> fibre, would I be having in real terms 7 gms carbs?
>
> Thanks
>

"Albert Andrascik" <albertandrascik@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> There is a company that I found that has a low carb juice. "Old Orchard"
> http://www.oldorchardjuice.com/juice...hb_appcran.htm
> they have several cranberry like cranberry promagranet ( not a good
> speller here) and others 5 to 6 grams of Carbs per serving. Taste like
> the real juice.
>

Real juice is what it *is* -- and that's pretty carby.

The only way to lower the carb/serving is either to water it down or to
reduce the serving size. "tastes like juice" or "juice cocktail" is a way
of disguising "not all real juice".

I think cranberry is usually diluted with various other juices *& water* as
it's pretty tart at 100%.
bj

In article <48321b86$1$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> > In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
> > Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
> > that doesn't bother my meter.
>
> Good, I may just stick with blueberries we get them here in season -
> congrats on your control with just diet and exercise - that is wonderful

Thou assumest too much. I had to go off metformin about 8 months ago,
and my carb control had been slipping even before that. I've put on
about 15 lbs, and my morning numbers have been as high as 163. When I
do strictly control my carb input (which isn't always), I can keep my
numbers during the day within normal range (80-120), but those fasting
numbers suck. See my post inquiring about starting to inject a
background insulin. My A1c is still under 6, but it's going up instead
of down. :-(

Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise, last A1c around 5.7

In article <48328428$0$17508$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> news:69f17lF32dnmbU1@mid.individual.net...
> > David wrote:
> >> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:g0t4ks$lbv$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> [......]
> >> Gosh 6 cherries! I remember a time when I could go through 5 lbs of
> >> cherries and not think a thing about it!
> >> (guess will have to get used to that damned brocolli!)
> >
> > Or you could slice a few strawbs etc into a sugar free jello and when set
> > eat it with a little whipped cream. Makes you feel like you are having
> > more than you really are
>
> Yes I see that strawberries are only around 1 carb each -and whipped cream .
> . . yum - great idea That is the best low carb idea I've seen for a great
> desert -
> thanks!

Puddings made with a mix of milk and cream or even heavy cream 1/2 and
1/2 with water, then sweetened with Splenda and served with whipped
cream sweetened with Splenda are WONDERFUL!

Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
and you have got a dessert fit for a king!

These are good reminders for me. I've been really busy lately and not
cooking for myself enough. Back into the kitchen!

Priscilla, T2

In article <g0u9te$amv$1@aioe.org>,
"krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I eat strawberries and fresh whipped cream about once a month..my fav treat
> that does zero to blood sugar and is filling and sinful..lol

Sometimes that which we call sin is exactly what we need! ;-)

Priscilla, T2

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
> walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
> in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
> and you have got a dessert fit for a king!
>

That might be ok for bg but a problem with weight control.

> These are good reminders for me. I've been really busy lately and not
> cooking for myself enough. Back into the kitchen!
>

You & me both. I've been in non-cooking mode for too long. But I'm more lazy
& disinclined than all-out busy.

I'll be in full-cooking mode for a couple of weeks later on when I can't
have any processed food before a special test. <sigh>
bj

In article <ZEDYj.24128$_g.20227@trnddc07>,
"bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-A6B023.13055620052008@individual.net...
> >
> > Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
> > walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
> > in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
> > and you have got a dessert fit for a king!
> >
>
> That might be ok for bg but a problem with weight control.

Not in the slightest. Low carb high fat is an excellent way to lose
weight. Witness how successfully people lost weight when they followed
the Atkins diet. (Notice I said when they followed the Atkins diet not
when they did what they thought was the Atkins diet but never bothered
to read the book(s).)

It was when I went off strict low-carbing that I started to put back on
the weight I took off by eating like I described above.

Priscilla

bj wrote in message ...

>I'll be in full-cooking mode for a couple of weeks later on when I
can't
>have any processed food before a special test. <sigh>
>bj


What special test is that bj?

Cheri

In article <69gdk3F3304daU1@mid.individual.net>,
Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
> > I've made a great blueberry bake with a topping made of chopped walnuts,
> > oat bran, cinnamon, minced lemon peel, butter, artificial sweetener, and
> > a little oatmeal. Serve warm with a custard sauce sweetened with
> > artificial sweetener. Dessert for the gods!
> >
> > Priscilla, T2
> try rhubarb on that custard sauce
>
> make the rhubarb as a 'betty' or a crumble, using artificial sweeteners
>
> delish

Yeah, I did last week, from my own rhubarb and some frozen unsweetened
strawberries, but my hand slipped when I put in the erythritol, and I
ended up with a very sweet dish and gastric problems. :-( I'll pull
some more rhubarb later this week and try again with a mix of -ols and a
little Splenda. (I get a nasty aftertaste from Splenda unless it's in a
dish made from dairy products.)

Priscilla

On Tue, 20 May 2008 00:05:48 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>: > Another way for what?
>: Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
>: juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
>: So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
>: what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
>: Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
>: I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
>: in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
>
>Not as long as you eat plenty of leafy and other non-starchy vegetables
>lke that brocolli:-) I eat smlall amounts of frut at breakfast and
>sometimes at dinner, like tonight when I had 6 cherries as a dessert.
>Very delicious!

There's a coincidence <G>

Yummy aren't they? I rate them as honorary berries for the minor
effect on my BG.

In article <r85634pks5dg317g7maloqcr037t20aans@4ax.com>,
Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 May 2008 00:05:48 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
> <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >: > Another way for what?
> >: Well . . . first I said I was going to eat fruit rather than drink fruit
> >: juice - so Priscilla asks "why eat fruit?"
> >: So I asked her if there was another way i.e either drink it or eat it -
> >: what else can you do? (an attempt at humour!)
> >: Of course I realize that she meant why have fruit in the diet at all.
> >: I guess she is right - there are not particular nutrients or antioxidants
> >: in fruit that I would miss - what do you think?
> >
> >Not as long as you eat plenty of leafy and other non-starchy vegetables
> >lke that brocolli:-) I eat smlall amounts of frut at breakfast and
> >sometimes at dinner, like tonight when I had 6 cherries as a dessert.
> >Very delicious!
>
> There's a coincidence <G>
>
> Yummy aren't they? I rate them as honorary berries for the minor
> effect on my BG.

The fruit stand at the subway stop had both kinds this morning: Bings
for $3.99/lb and the yellowish ones for $5.49/lb. I decided to wait.

Priscilla, type 2

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> : >
> : > There is nothing in fruit that you can't get in raw vegetables. But
> you
> : > could try eating a few berries on their own away from a meal and see
> how
> : > your bg's fare.
>
> : yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as long
> as I
> : can have a mango on my birthday!
> : I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to thank
> this
> : group for.
>
>
> I have mango fairly regularly as part of my small amounts of a few fruits
> mixed into my cottage cheese and plain yougurt(or sour cream) breakfast.
> this one works for me as I found out by testing. I will cut in aobut 1/6
> or 1/5 of a mango along with a few strawberries, a handful of blue, rap,
> blackberries or 1/4 apples or 1/2 of a small clementine orange, or 1
> apricot or 1/2 peach, but NO BANANAS. Don't eat all of these at once,
> just 2, 3 or 4 adn have that ust with coffee, no toast, crakers, etc adn
> test a 1 and 2 hours and see if it works.
>
> For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
> fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"

Ha! Good ideas thanks Wendy - I have cut out bananas they spike me big time

>
> Wendy
>
>

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>> news:69fi89F32av7tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> David wrote:
>>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:69fhi3F32iav9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> David wrote:
>>>>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:69f13tF32a626U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> David wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [........]
>>>>>
>>>>>> yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as
>>>>>> long as I can have a mango on my birthday!
>>>>>> I have sure changed my ways in the last few days - have a lot to
>>>>>> thank this group for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
>>>>> pineapple with ham salad etc.
>>>> Nice combo . . . Ozgirl you need to come to my place and make
>>>> friends with my wife - so she can learn a thing or two!!
>>>
>>> lol, women don't often like to be shown how to do things
>>> especially in the kitchen! You got a death wish or something?
>>
>> Ha ha! ok I think you are right, she is in that 'sensitive' time of
>> her life as well!
>
> what? The one between 13 and 55?
too true!!

>

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-6F56EB.13023120052008@individual.net...
> In article <48321b86$1$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> > In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
>> > Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
>> > that doesn't bother my meter.
>>
>> Good, I may just stick with blueberries we get them here in season -
>> congrats on your control with just diet and exercise - that is wonderful
>
> Thou assumest too much. I had to go off metformin about 8 months ago,
> and my carb control had been slipping even before that. I've put on
> about 15 lbs, and my morning numbers have been as high as 163. When I
> do strictly control my carb input (which isn't always), I can keep my
> numbers during the day within normal range (80-120), but those fasting
> numbers suck. See my post inquiring about starting to inject a
> background insulin. My A1c is still under 6, but it's going up instead
> of down. :-(

Do you have a reaction to metformin? Couldnt replace that with another med?
>
> Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise, last A1c around 5.7

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-A6B023.13055620052008@individual.net...
> In article <48328428$0$17508$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
>> news:69f17lF32dnmbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > David wrote:
>> >> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:g0t4ks$lbv$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>
>> [......]
>> >> Gosh 6 cherries! I remember a time when I could go through 5 lbs of
>> >> cherries and not think a thing about it!
>> >> (guess will have to get used to that damned brocolli!)
>> >
>> > Or you could slice a few strawbs etc into a sugar free jello and when
>> > set
>> > eat it with a little whipped cream. Makes you feel like you are having
>> > more than you really are
>>
>> Yes I see that strawberries are only around 1 carb each -and whipped
>> cream .
>> . . yum - great idea That is the best low carb idea I've seen for a
>> great
>> desert -
>> thanks!
>
> Puddings made with a mix of milk and cream or even heavy cream 1/2 and
> 1/2 with water, then sweetened with Splenda and served with whipped
> cream sweetened with Splenda are WONDERFUL!
>
> Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
> walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
> in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
> and you have got a dessert fit for a king!
>
> These are good reminders for me. I've been really busy lately and not
> cooking for myself enough. Back into the kitchen!

mmmm sounds great - brownies and pudding were my downfall before I was
diagnosed
Thanks Priscilla

>
> Priscilla, T2

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 May 2008 22:30:16 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> One of my favourites is mango, which I have peeled,
>>> de-seeded, cubed and frozen in season, mixed with home-made
>>> yoghurt and a little sweetener. The yoghurt makes a little
>>> mango go a long way (reducing the BG's effect), the frozen
>>> cubes make the concoction like an iced slurpee, and the
>>> freezing process causes the mango to disintegrate and spread
>>> wonderfully as a flavour through the yoghurt.
>>
>>Now that sounds like a fantastic treat - better than ice cream Just read
>>it
>>to my wife - great thanks
>
> Just two points. First, make sure the yoghurt you use as a
> base is plain. Not low-fat, not sweetened (except by you),
> but plain. If you can't buy that locally make it - it's
> simple and easy:
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/yoghurt.html
>
> Second, although that doesn't spike me, provided I have
> about a half-mug as a serve in the evening, you won't know
> if it's OK for you until you test at your peak after eating
> it.
>
> Yeah, I know, I sound pedantic. But you can never assume
> that a food that is OK for another type 2 is OK for you.
> Only your meter can confirm that.

Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
plain we dont need to sweeten

>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

In article <4833277a$0$13943$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> > For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
> > fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"
>
> Ha! Good ideas thanks Wendy - I have cut out bananas they spike me big time

David, a cut banana will keep quite a while in the fruit bowl. If you
really love bananas see if (use your meter to determine if) you can
tolerate 1/3 of a banana or 1/4 of a banana. And eat those pieces late
in the day when insulin resistance is lower.

Priscilla, T2

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-66133F.11064520052008@individual.net...
> In article <48321b86$0$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!
>> >> >
>> >> > Why eat the fruit?
>> >>
>> >> Do you know another way?
>> >
>> > To do what? Spike your BG? Most fruits are loaded with sugar.
>>
>> You are absolutely right thanks Priscilla - I get your point and fruit
>> can
>> be dumped or maybe just have a tiny bit now and then! Hard to get away
>> from
>> the entrenched ideas but then I do want to extend my life! T
>
> Well done! You've got your mind open and, rather than letting your
> brain fall out, you're learning from other's experience. You're going
> to do fine! If you're not already a berry fiend, try learning to love
> them. They have lots more than just being easy on the meter to
> recommend them. :-)
>
> I've made a great blueberry bake with a topping made of chopped walnuts,
> oat bran, cinnamon, minced lemon peel, butter, artificial sweetener, and
> a little oatmeal. Serve warm with a custard sauce sweetened with
> artificial sweetener. Dessert for the gods!

Oh gosh I will learn to make that!
thanks!

>
> Priscilla, T2

In article <4833284d$0$1022$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> > Thou assumest too much. I had to go off metformin about 8 months ago,
> > and my carb control had been slipping even before that. I've put on
> > about 15 lbs, and my morning numbers have been as high as 163. When I
> > do strictly control my carb input (which isn't always), I can keep my
> > numbers during the day within normal range (80-120), but those fasting
> > numbers suck. See my post inquiring about starting to inject a
> > background insulin. My A1c is still under 6, but it's going up instead
> > of down. :-(
>
> Do you have a reaction to metformin?

Daily 1-2 hours of gut cramps and diarrhea. Thank God for an
unstructured work day!

> Couldnt replace that with another med?

Nope. There's nothing exactly like it. Of the other kinds of meds,
some have been shown to increase heart problems, and some push the
pancreas to work harder, which I'd rather not do, since I want to save
some pancreatic function.

Insulin isn't some big bad wolf, though. It's a tool like meds, diet,
exercise, etc.

Priscilla, T2

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-111D5F.15364420052008@individual.net...
> In article <4833277a$0$13943$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> > For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
>> > fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"
>>
>> Ha! Good ideas thanks Wendy - I have cut out bananas they spike me big
>> time
>
> David, a cut banana will keep quite a while in the fruit bowl. If you
> really love bananas see if (use your meter to determine if) you can
> tolerate 1/3 of a banana or 1/4 of a banana. And eat those pieces late
> in the day when insulin resistance is lower.
>
> Priscilla, T2

Thanks Priscilla - never realized about lower insulin levels at night

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-FD7F2F.15454020052008@individual.net...
> In article <4833284d$0$1022$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> > Thou assumest too much. I had to go off metformin about 8 months ago,
>> > and my carb control had been slipping even before that. I've put on
>> > about 15 lbs, and my morning numbers have been as high as 163. When I
>> > do strictly control my carb input (which isn't always), I can keep my
>> > numbers during the day within normal range (80-120), but those fasting
>> > numbers suck. See my post inquiring about starting to inject a
>> > background insulin. My A1c is still under 6, but it's going up instead
>> > of down. :-(
>>
>> Do you have a reaction to metformin?
>
> Daily 1-2 hours of gut cramps and diarrhea. Thank God for an
> unstructured work day!
>
>> Couldnt replace that with another med?
>
> Nope. There's nothing exactly like it. Of the other kinds of meds,
> some have been shown to increase heart problems, and some push the
> pancreas to work harder, which I'd rather not do, since I want to save
> some pancreatic function.
>
> Insulin isn't some big bad wolf, though. It's a tool like meds, diet,
> exercise, etc.

I see your point about insulin - you just think of it being progressive and
that is just another nail in the coffin!
But I am changing my attitude to a lot of things since I've been here. I
cant think of how much all of you have helped me

>
> Priscilla, T2

Priscilla H. Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
: In article <69gdk3F3304daU1@mid.individual.net>,
: Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:
: > Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:
: > > I've made a great blueberry bake with a topping made of chopped walnuts,
: > > oat bran, cinnamon, minced lemon peel, butter, artificial sweetener, and
: > > a little oatmeal. Serve warm with a custard sauce sweetened with
: > > artificial sweetener. Dessert for the gods!
: > >
: > > Priscilla, T2
: > try rhubarb on that custard sauce
: >
: > make the rhubarb as a 'betty' or a crumble, using artificial sweeteners
: >
: > delish

: Yeah, I did last week, from my own rhubarb and some frozen unsweetened
: strawberries, but my hand slipped when I put in the erythritol, and I
: ended up with a very sweet dish and gastric problems. :-( I'll pull
: some more rhubarb later this week and try again with a mix of -ols and a
: little Splenda. (I get a nasty aftertaste from Splenda unless it's in a
: dish made from dairy products.)

: Priscilla

the rhubarb, itself can add to those gastric problems. I make a simple
microwaved rhubarb sweeteed with either Slpenda or Aspertame once it is
finished cooking and eat a custard cup a day. If I eat more I can easily
get the trots, so that combo of too much erythritol and rhubarb would be a
problem.

Wendy

Priscilla H. Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
: In article <48321b86$1$17507$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
: "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

: > > In the summer, a small dish of raspberries sprinkled with a little
: > > Splenda and then drenched in heavy cream is a favorite dessert of mine
: > > that doesn't bother my meter.
: >
: > Good, I may just stick with blueberries we get them here in season -
: > congrats on your control with just diet and exercise - that is wonderful

: Thou assumest too much. I had to go off metformin about 8 months ago,
: and my carb control had been slipping even before that. I've put on
: about 15 lbs, and my morning numbers have been as high as 163. When I
: do strictly control my carb input (which isn't always), I can keep my
: numbers during the day within normal range (80-120), but those fasting
: numbers suck. See my post inquiring about starting to inject a
: background insulin. My A1c is still under 6, but it's going up instead
: of down. :-(

: Priscilla, T2, diet & exercise, last A1c around 5.7

Haave you thought of a small dose of a sulph? I am on 1 mg Amaryl, whih I
take before bed adn that had kept my fbg's under control quite well. I am
also on the Metformin ex, but before the Amaryl is was having trouble
keeping the fbgs reliable under 110( now I seldom reach 100), whihc is
where I want it. My endo says 110.

Wendy

In article <g0vf95$r6l$2@reader2.panix.com>,
"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
> Priscilla H. Ballou <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:
> : Yeah, I did last week, from my own rhubarb and some frozen unsweetened
> : strawberries, but my hand slipped when I put in the erythritol, and I
> : ended up with a very sweet dish and gastric problems. :-( I'll pull
> : some more rhubarb later this week and try again with a mix of -ols and a
> : little Splenda. (I get a nasty aftertaste from Splenda unless it's in a
> : dish made from dairy products.)
>
> : Priscilla
>
> the rhubarb, itself can add to those gastric problems. I make a simple
> microwaved rhubarb sweeteed with either Slpenda or Aspertame once it is
> finished cooking and eat a custard cup a day. If I eat more I can easily
> get the trots, so that combo of too much erythritol and rhubarb would be a
> problem.

Huh. Rhubarb's never affected me that way before, and I've been eating
it all my life!

Is this another of those "as we grow older" things? *sigh*

Priscilla

In article <48333b68$0$13945$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vze23t8n-111D5F.15364420052008@individual.net...
> > In article <4833277a$0$13943$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> > For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
> >> > fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"
> >>
> >> Ha! Good ideas thanks Wendy - I have cut out bananas they spike me big
> >> time
> >
> > David, a cut banana will keep quite a while in the fruit bowl. If you
> > really love bananas see if (use your meter to determine if) you can
> > tolerate 1/3 of a banana or 1/4 of a banana. And eat those pieces late
> > in the day when insulin resistance is lower.
> >
> > Priscilla, T2
>
> Thanks Priscilla - never realized about lower insulin levels at night

It's not lower insulin levels. It's about insulin *resistance*. That's
a big part of type 2. We make a boatload of insulin (many of us, at
least at the beginning before we burn out our beta cells). We just
can't use it as well as other people.

I suggest you pick up Gretchen Becker's book about the first year with
type 2. It's very good, and I think you'll find yourself learning a lot
from it.

You need to test the dickens out of yourself to find out when you can
tolerate what. You'll do a lot of testing in your first year, but that
practice will build a solid knowledge of how your body works. Then as
changes happen in subsequent years you'll just adjust that knowledge,
but you won't be having to test all the time. Well, if you're like a
lot of folks here.

Me, I know I can't eat a croissant at breakfast without spiking, and I
can't eat French bread anytime without spiking even higher. A baked
potato skin (minus most of the the soft cooked potato within and plus a
nice pat of butter) with my steak-burger or lamb chop and broccoli
doesn't bother me too much. A slice of pie is forbidden fruit. If I go
out to lunch on a Saturday when I'm going to be wandering the mall, then
I can have some french fries with my burger -- as long as I order the
burger without the bun.

You'll learn your limits.

Priscilla

On Wed, 21 May 2008 05:32:09 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
>plain we dont need to sweeten

Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
own.

I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
Greek Yoghurt.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[ . . . ]
> I have mango fairly regularly as part of my small amounts of a few fruits
> mixed into my cottage cheese and plain yougurt(or sour cream) breakfast.
> this one works for me as I found out by testing. I will cut in aobut 1/6
> or 1/5 of a mango along with a few strawberries, a handful of blue, rap,
> blackberries or 1/4 apples or 1/2 of a small clementine orange, or 1
> apricot or 1/2 peach, but NO BANANAS. Don't eat all of these at once,
> just 2, 3 or 4 adn have that ust with coffee, no toast, crakers, etc adn
> test a 1 and 2 hours and see if it works.
>
> For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
> fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"

My Thai wife and daughter almost always have a case of mangoes in the
house. I'll eat a small piece in the afternoon or evening. Same with
berries. I can't wait for Durian to come in season. I'll hafta do some BG
experiments, then!

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Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 00:03:05 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> >David wrote:
> >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> >>> David wrote:
> >>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> David wrote:
> >>>>>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> David wrote:
> >>>> [........]
> >> Ha ha! ok I think you are right, she is in that 'sensitive' time of
> >> her life as well!
> >
> >what? The one between 13 and 55?
>
> 55? Seems a trifle early from my experience. Mum's 83 and
> still hasn't got there...as to my other half...

My late MIL died at 102. She was sweet, but testy to the end. She was a
damn good cook into her 90's, then her legs gave out. Always very active
and skinny as a rail. Last time I was in Thailand, in '04, she'd been
confined to bed or a wheel chair for several months. She hobbled out to the
living room to give me a hug. Last time she ever walked. All she knew how
to say in English was, "I love you, Nick!" I really miss her. ;-(

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On 21 May 2008 04:17:48 GMT, Nick Cramer posted:

>"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>> David <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>[ . . . ]
>> I have mango fairly regularly as part of my small amounts of a few fruits
>> mixed into my cottage cheese and plain yougurt(or sour cream) breakfast.
>> this one works for me as I found out by testing. I will cut in aobut 1/6
>> or 1/5 of a mango along with a few strawberries, a handful of blue, rap,
>> blackberries or 1/4 apples or 1/2 of a small clementine orange, or 1
>> apricot or 1/2 peach, but NO BANANAS. Don't eat all of these at once,
>> just 2, 3 or 4 adn have that ust with coffee, no toast, crakers, etc adn
>> test a 1 and 2 hours and see if it works.
>>
>> For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
>> fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"
>
>My Thai wife and daughter almost always have a case of mangoes in the
>house. I'll eat a small piece in the afternoon or evening. Same with
>berries. I can't wait for Durian to come in season. I'll hafta do some BG
>experiments, then!

Durian! Dare I risk the wrath of my lovely wife by bringing anther one
into the house? Have you ever had Durian ice cream? Yum!

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violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

On Tue, 20 May 2008 05:42:01 -0500, "krom"
<thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I eat strawberries and fresh whipped cream about once a month..my fav treat
>that does zero to blood sugar and is filling and sinful..lol

Once a MONTH?! The local soft-fruit farm had the first strawbs of the
season for sale yesterday. Elder Daughter and I ate most of a
half-pound punnet in the 2 minutes it takes to drive home I expect
to repeat this most days until my own plants are ready for harvest...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:13:29 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:

>"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:vze23t8n-A6B023.13055620052008@individual.net...
>>
>> Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
>> walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
>> in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
>> and you have got a dessert fit for a king!
>>
>
>That might be ok for bg but a problem with weight control.

Not if you're low-carbing
I tend to have some of these in the freezer, ready for when the urge
strikes...
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/des...lebrownies.htm

Mmmmm - brownies and strawberries.....

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:29:34 +0100, Nicky posted:

>On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:13:29 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net>
>wrote:
>
>>"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>news:vze23t8n-A6B023.13055620052008@individual.net...
>>>
>>> Somewhere there's a fabulous recipe for brownies made with ground
>>> walnuts and sweetened with Splenda. You take one of those, break it up
>>> in a bowl, and then cover it with whipped cream sweetened with Splenda,
>>> and you have got a dessert fit for a king!
>>>
>>
>>That might be ok for bg but a problem with weight control.
>
>Not if you're low-carbing
>I tend to have some of these in the freezer, ready for when the urge
>strikes...
>http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/des...lebrownies.htm
>
>Mmmmm - brownies and strawberries.....

I hadn't heard of erythritol before. Is there a Splenda amount that's
equivalent to the amount used in this recipe? If so, would it give the
same result?

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roses are #FF0000
violets are #0000FF
all my base
are belong to you

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