Fibre Question

When i cook i mix xylitol..erythritol and splenda at a ration of 60 percent
splenda 30 percent erythritol and 10 percent xylitol...gives me better then
sugar taste and no ill effects and no aftertaste...i use this in most treats
i eat..even coffee

KROM

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:37:50 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I hadn't heard of erythritol before. Is there a Splenda amount that's
>>equivalent to the amount used in this recipe? If so, would it give the
>>same result?
>
> I tried it with Splenda before I sourced erythritol - the taste was
> good, the texture less so. Have a play... I couldn't tell you how much
> to use, because I do everything to taste.
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

I live in minnesota so fresh fruit usually comes from central america at a
hefty price..on sale you can get two pints for 5 bucks..but often thats the
price for one pint and they arent very good strawberries...

On a better note im growing three types of tomatoes this year!

I know u can grow straberries in a jar here but never tried..im tempted!

KROM

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 May 2008 05:42:01 -0500, "krom"
> <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I eat strawberries and fresh whipped cream about once a month..my fav
>>treat
>>that does zero to blood sugar and is filling and sinful..lol
>
> Once a MONTH?! The local soft-fruit farm had the first strawbs of the
> season for sale yesterday. Elder Daughter and I ate most of a
> half-pound punnet in the 2 minutes it takes to drive home I expect
> to repeat this most days until my own plants are ready for harvest...
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:55:38 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>
>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:x7adndcCz4K-kK7VnZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@posted.docknet...
>>
>> bj wrote in message ...
>>
>>>I'll be in full-cooking mode for a couple of weeks later on when I
>> can't have any processed food before a special test. <sigh>
>>>bj
>>
>> What special test is that bj?
>>
>
>It's a scan to check for mets or recurrence of the thyroid cancer I was
>treated for 7-1/2 years ago. Low Iodine Diet (LID). Processed food has too
>many of the (temporarily) forbidden ingredients -- even "salt", since I
>can't be *sure* of what kind, is taboo, though I put all the UNiodized salt
>on my food that I want. Also forbidden is *all* dairy & derivatives, *any*
>thing from the sea, egg yolks, red dye #3, certain vitamins (many multis
>contain "iodine") and (for other reasons) soy & derivatives (except for oil
>& I think lecithin). Read all about it at www.thyca.org. There are various
>versions of the LID, some with more reason than others, but those are the
>most basic priciples. I usually carry a crib sheet when shopping in case I
>spot something that might be a convenient or useful product. Fortunately for
>my (& many others') sanity, there are chocolates that are LID-friendly. The
>biggest problem for many (& a perennial question on our listserv) is some
>kind of coffee-creamer, but I don't drink coffee & I take my tea straight.
>bj
>
Thanks for the clarification bj. The more I read of other's
dietary restrictions the less I think that cutting back on a
few BG-spikers for me is such a big deal.

I hope that being 7 1/2 years ago means that the cancer is
in full remission.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>It's a scan to check for mets or recurrence of the thyroid cancer I was
>>treated for 7-1/2 years ago. Low Iodine Diet (LID). Processed food has too
>>many of the (temporarily) forbidden ingredients -- even "salt", since I
>>can't be *sure* of what kind, is taboo, though I put all the UNiodized
>>salt
>>on my food that I want. Also forbidden is *all* dairy & derivatives, *any*
>>thing from the sea, egg yolks, red dye #3, certain vitamins (many multis
>>contain "iodine") and (for other reasons) soy & derivatives (except for
>>oil
>>& I think lecithin). Read all about it at www.thyca.org. There are various
>>versions of the LID, some with more reason than others, but those are the
>>most basic priciples. I usually carry a crib sheet when shopping in case I
>>spot something that might be a convenient or useful product. Fortunately
>>for
>>my (& many others') sanity, there are chocolates that are LID-friendly.
>>The
>>biggest problem for many (& a perennial question on our listserv) is some
>>kind of coffee-creamer, but I don't drink coffee & I take my tea straight.
>>bj
>>
> Thanks for the clarification bj. The more I read of other's
> dietary restrictions the less I think that cutting back on a
> few BG-spikers for me is such a big deal.
>
> I hope that being 7 1/2 years ago means that the cancer is
> in full remission.
>

Well, the LID doesn't last long, then I can go back to my slovenly ways. :-)

It's surprising sometimes to hear how many doctors (endos) treating thyca
don't recommend the LID. I can understand those who just don't believe in it
(although many others disagree), but there are some who say something like
"don't bother, it's *too hard*!" Whatcha wanna bet those same docs have no
trouble telling other patients to give up <whatever, but "sweets & sugar"
are popular> *forever* because of diabetes? But two to three weeks of
restrictions is *too hard*??

I don't know about "remission", that doesn't seem to be a word we use much,
but I seem to be NED so far, although I do have some antibodies that
*should* have disappeared by now -- which is not only a back-of-the-mind
worry but means that another test can't be relied on as one marker. <bummer>
And there's some spot in my neck (maybe) that's too small to biopsy (so
there's no way to know if it's just some odd bit of "stuff" or a nasty bit)
but it doesn't seem to be growing, so it has to be watched & occasionally
U/S, but at least it's not causing me any problems now. <sigh>

It's a lifelong monitoring process anyway (though hopefully at longer
intervals as time passes), since it can recur after decades. <more bummer>

OTOH, my recent colonoscopy was clean so *that's* done for another 5 years!
bj

On Thu, 22 May 2008 02:11:34 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:bc5934p0ccp8k3vk9abna6hrcs4o5os0sk@4ax.com.. .
>>>
>>>It's a scan to check for mets or recurrence of the thyroid cancer I was
>>>treated for 7-1/2 years ago. Low Iodine Diet (LID). Processed food has too
>>>many of the (temporarily) forbidden ingredients -- even "salt", since I
>>>can't be *sure* of what kind, is taboo, though I put all the UNiodized
>>>salt
>>>on my food that I want. Also forbidden is *all* dairy & derivatives, *any*
>>>thing from the sea, egg yolks, red dye #3, certain vitamins (many multis
>>>contain "iodine") and (for other reasons) soy & derivatives (except for
>>>oil
>>>& I think lecithin). Read all about it at www.thyca.org. There are various
>>>versions of the LID, some with more reason than others, but those are the
>>>most basic priciples. I usually carry a crib sheet when shopping in case I
>>>spot something that might be a convenient or useful product. Fortunately
>>>for
>>>my (& many others') sanity, there are chocolates that are LID-friendly.
>>>The
>>>biggest problem for many (& a perennial question on our listserv) is some
>>>kind of coffee-creamer, but I don't drink coffee & I take my tea straight.
>>>bj
>>>
>> Thanks for the clarification bj. The more I read of other's
>> dietary restrictions the less I think that cutting back on a
>> few BG-spikers for me is such a big deal.
>>
>> I hope that being 7 1/2 years ago means that the cancer is
>> in full remission.
>>
>
>Well, the LID doesn't last long, then I can go back to my slovenly ways. :-)
>
>It's surprising sometimes to hear how many doctors (endos) treating thyca
>don't recommend the LID. I can understand those who just don't believe in it
>(although many others disagree), but there are some who say something like
>"don't bother, it's *too hard*!" Whatcha wanna bet those same docs have no
>trouble telling other patients to give up <whatever, but "sweets & sugar"
>are popular> *forever* because of diabetes? But two to three weeks of
>restrictions is *too hard*??
>
>I don't know about "remission", that doesn't seem to be a word we use much,
>but I seem to be NED so far, although I do have some antibodies that
>*should* have disappeared by now -- which is not only a back-of-the-mind
>worry but means that another test can't be relied on as one marker. <bummer>
>And there's some spot in my neck (maybe) that's too small to biopsy (so
>there's no way to know if it's just some odd bit of "stuff" or a nasty bit)
>but it doesn't seem to be growing, so it has to be watched & occasionally
>U/S, but at least it's not causing me any problems now. <sigh>
>
>It's a lifelong monitoring process anyway (though hopefully at longer
>intervals as time passes), since it can recur after decades. <more bummer>
>
>OTOH, my recent colonoscopy was clean so *that's* done for another 5 years!
>bj
>
Great to see that, remission or not, you are in the "watch
and wait" stage now.

But I know how you feel. I've been a lot luckier than you;
the CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia are simply a
never-forgotten worry, not in remission so much as always in
the back of the mind. Damocles Sword, poised up there - but
I'm so lucky that I've needed no treatment and suffer no
symptoms.

"It's a lifelong monitoring process anyway". Yep. And I
don't care what anyone says, that few days wait between the
regular blood draw/biopsy/test and the results arriving is
not a great time. Nor is wondering about the spot on the
neck, or the new little cancer on the skin, even when you
know they are almost certainly benign. My tests have moved
from quarterly to four monthly to biannually - but not to
"never again".

Best wishes for the future.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> But I know how you feel. I've been a lot luckier than you;
> the CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia

At least mine's easier to spell!

Lets hope we both stay in that watch/test/that's it for now stage!

So we can "concentrate" on the diabetes, which has been *much* more a
nuisance for me, being an alldayeveryday sort of thing.
bj

On Thu, 22 May 2008 03:06:53 GMT, "bj"
<bjones44@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fan93416tmuocqvj9kqa93u18491bkq8l8@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> But I know how you feel. I've been a lot luckier than you;
>> the CLL and hypogammaglobulinemia
>
>At least mine's easier to spell!
>
>Lets hope we both stay in that watch/test/that's it for now stage!
>
>So we can "concentrate" on the diabetes, which has been *much* more a
>nuisance for me, being an alldayeveryday sort of thing.
>bj

Yep:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.

Angkor Wat
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:55:17 -0500, "krom"
<thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I know u can grow straberries in a jar here but never tried..im tempted!

I have 3 pots of them on the patio - the plants get less active after
3 years, so I'll rotate one out at the end of this year. They're zero
trouble to look after, and give me a snack a day (assuming I beat the
damntortoise to them) from end May to .... (these ones crop twice a
year. I had some in November last year).

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

nice!

Damn rabits ate all the heads off my tulips this year but 3..lol..looks
funna..and they are back to eating my chockberry bush to a few twigs sitting
out the ground...i will swap you a rabbit for a turtle..lol

KROM

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:55:17 -0500, "krom"
> <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I know u can grow straberries in a jar here but never tried..im tempted!
>
> I have 3 pots of them on the patio - the plants get less active after
> 3 years, so I'll rotate one out at the end of this year. They're zero
> trouble to look after, and give me a snack a day (assuming I beat the
> damntortoise to them) from end May to .... (these ones crop twice a
> year. I had some in November last year).
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 May 2008 05:32:09 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
>>plain we dont need to sweeten
>
> Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
> most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
> own.
>
> I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
> After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
> Greek Yoghurt.
>

Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used to
make it just with containers I cant quite remember

>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wat
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In article <48333b68$0$13945$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vze23t8n-111D5F.15364420052008@individual.net...
>> > In article <4833277a$0$13943$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
>> > "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > For me, it is better to have this than to say "I can't ever eat that
>> >> > fruuit again, except on my birthday:-)"
>> >>
>> >> Ha! Good ideas thanks Wendy - I have cut out bananas they spike me big
>> >> time
>> >
>> > David, a cut banana will keep quite a while in the fruit bowl. If you
>> > really love bananas see if (use your meter to determine if) you can
>> > tolerate 1/3 of a banana or 1/4 of a banana. And eat those pieces late
>> > in the day when insulin resistance is lower.
>> >
>> > Priscilla, T2
>>
>> Thanks Priscilla - never realized about lower insulin levels at night
>
> It's not lower insulin levels. It's about insulin *resistance*. That's
> a big part of type 2. We make a boatload of insulin (many of us, at
> least at the beginning before we burn out our beta cells). We just
> can't use it as well as other people.
>
> I suggest you pick up Gretchen Becker's book about the first year with
> type 2. It's very good, and I think you'll find yourself learning a lot
> from it.
>
> You need to test the dickens out of yourself to find out when you can
> tolerate what. You'll do a lot of testing in your first year, but that
> practice will build a solid knowledge of how your body works. Then as
> changes happen in subsequent years you'll just adjust that knowledge,
> but you won't be having to test all the time. Well, if you're like a
> lot of folks here.
>
> Me, I know I can't eat a croissant at breakfast without spiking, and I
> can't eat French bread anytime without spiking even higher. A baked
> potato skin (minus most of the the soft cooked potato within and plus a
> nice pat of butter) with my steak-burger or lamb chop and broccoli
> doesn't bother me too much. A slice of pie is forbidden fruit. If I go
> out to lunch on a Saturday when I'm going to be wandering the mall, then
> I can have some french fries with my burger -- as long as I order the
> burger without the bun.
>
> You'll learn your limits.

Thanks Priscilla
I see your point and it is constant vigilance - the stakes are high
nice of you to help

>
> Priscilla

In article <4837f2ea$0$17505$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l6j634l78vhbpoueqve4til7h5s1ps9h2s@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 21 May 2008 05:32:09 +1000, "David"
> > <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
> >>plain we dont need to sweeten
> >
> > Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
> > most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
> > own.
> >
> > I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
> > After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
> > Greek Yoghurt.
> >
>
> Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used to
> make it just with containers I cant quite remember

You don't need anything fancy. Just a container and a place to keep it
warm but not hot for 8-12 hours.

Priscilla

On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:49:39 +1000, "David"
<forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>>>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
>>>plain we dont need to sweeten
>>
>> Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
>> most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
>> own.
>>
>> I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
>> After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
>> Greek Yoghurt.
>>
>
>Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used to
>make it just with containers I cant quite remember

I'm no expert; this is how I do it:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/yoghurt.html

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
Latest: Bangkok

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4837f2ea$0$17505$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> ,
> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:l6j634l78vhbpoueqve4til7h5s1ps9h2s@4ax.com...
>> > On Wed, 21 May 2008 05:32:09 +1000, "David"
>> > <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt
>> >>here -
>> >>plain we dont need to sweeten
>> >
>> > Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
>> > most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
>> > own.
>> >
>> > I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
>> > After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
>> > Greek Yoghurt.
>> >
>>
>> Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used
>> to
>> make it just with containers I cant quite remember
>
> You don't need anything fancy. Just a container and a place to keep it
> warm but not hot for 8-12 hours.
>
Thanks for that - good to be able to do stuff for myself

> Priscilla

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:49:39 +1000, "David"
> <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>>>Thanks Alan - points taken - we buy what they call :Greek yoghurt here -
>>>>plain we dont need to sweeten
>>>
>>> Same here; I buy a twin pack every couple of months, eat
>>> most of it and use the final bit as the starter to make my
>>> own.
>>>
>>> I use the tail of each batch as the starter for the next.
>>> After four or five batches I start again with a new bought
>>> Greek Yoghurt.
>>>
>>
>>Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used to
>>make it just with containers I cant quite remember
>
> I'm no expert; this is how I do it:
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/11/yoghurt.html

interesting blog Alan - thanks for that I will go through it - good ideas

>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> --
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
> Latest: Bangkok

On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:40:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>news2tv24dti6lv2n1fe7iobl8kbsjfi47j3v@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:26 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Well I am totally changing my thinking and direction.
>>>My doctor was wrong and allowed me to be complacent - he seems to think
>>>below 7 is excellent control and that seems to be 1 point too high.
>>>I am totally grateful for the response I have had here.
>>>Thanks Nicky
>>
>> Good on you BOTH.
>
>G'day g'day and thank you Quentin for all of your informative posts

G'day G'day David.

Great to see you've mastered the dialect.

Helps make me feel right at home, well back home if you know what I
mean. Back doing something relevant.

Best wishes, .
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:43:37 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sounds like a story about a good endo to me:-)
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

I thought that too.

One who was prepared to learn themselves as more evidence came to hand
and to encourage their patients as they progressed.

Best of both worlds: good scientific attitude and good practitioner.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 21:40:19 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>>news2tv24dti6lv2n1fe7iobl8kbsjfi47j3v@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2008 01:46:26 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well I am totally changing my thinking and direction.
>>>>My doctor was wrong and allowed me to be complacent - he seems to think
>>>>below 7 is excellent control and that seems to be 1 point too high.
>>>>I am totally grateful for the response I have had here.
>>>>Thanks Nicky
>>>
>>> Good on you BOTH.
>>
>>G'day g'day and thank you Quentin for all of your informative posts
>
> G'day G'day David.
>
> Great to see you've mastered the dialect.
>
> Helps make me feel right at home, well back home if you know what I
> mean. Back doing something relevant.
>
> Best wishes, .

Ha ha ! yes got the lingo down pat now. Thank you Quentin

> --
> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
> New Zealand, >#,#< [
> / \ /\
> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:07:35 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:


>Yes am scrapping the idea now - will eat the fruit, drink water!

G'day G'day David,

Good simple strategy. When you think of fruit think first of
berries. Berries have the lowest % carb content. It is virtually
impossible for most T2 diabetics to give themselves a significant post
prandial (after meal) blip eating fruit such as strawberries or
raspberries so long as they don't add icing sugar etc. With berries
think in terms of 7% carbs. With stone fruit such as plums,
nectarines, peaches, apricots the figure is a little higher, more like
12% Most of the carbs in these fruit are either sucrose (common table
sugar) or a mix of glucose and fructose equivalent to table sugar.

Don't get excited about that. There is far less than drinking one
non-diet soft drink. A small bottle has typically about dozen
teaspoons of sugar. No one I know would have that in their tea or
coffee but the acid content of soft drinks seduces the taste buds.

One question that is sometimes asked quite seriously is why eat fruit
at all?

It's a really important question. Surely vegetables provide all the
nutrients that fruit do. Yeap they do. By comparison fruit is
typically not very nutrient rich as far as minerals go.

The most obvious answer is to provide variety.

Secondly fruit is often a good source of polyphenols. You might not
have heard of polyphenols or if you have haven't had their
significance explained. Well polyphenols recycle Vit E and Vit C. Time
and time again some knowledgeable person will claim one must take
supplements (capsules or tablets) to get sufficient Vit E in the diet
without consuming excessive calories. Hazelnuts for instance are a
good source of tocopherols, the popular form of Vit E. Eating a
fistful of those each day makes sense for longevity. However people
get a bit wary about consuming enough nuts to give themselves the
recommended daily dose of Vit E. It seems altogether reasonable
especially as it is well educated intelligent people making the claim.
However something MUST be wrong with their argument.
Humans can't have managed so well all getting less than the
recommended dose of Vit E. Well could they?

Yes.

So long as they recycle their Vit E.
If they recycle their Vit E they would need as much day.

The only one that is important to recycle is alpha tocopherol since
it is the only one to make it past the liver. So while everyone else
is eating strawberries and cream how about eating strawberries and
nuts. (Personally I wouldn't add cream whether sour of not. Yoghurt
makes far more sense.) That way you get the Vit E and have the means
to recycle it so your diet works for you.

Hope this has been simple to follow even its only the bottom line that
you touched base with. It all comes back to the first good reason to
eat fruit, variety. Most of the time we wont know how it works but
somehow we realise that a varied diet often works more efficiently
than a diet with few components.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:59 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>"It's a lifelong monitoring process anyway". Yep. And I
>don't care what anyone says, that few days wait between the
>regular blood draw/biopsy/test and the results arriving is
>not a great time. Nor is wondering about the spot on the
>neck, or the new little cancer on the skin, even when you
>know they are almost certainly benign. My tests have moved
>from quarterly to four monthly to biannually - but not to
>"never again".

Ain't that the truth.

>Best wishes for the future.

bj, Alan and all the rest of you as yet not named. There are so many
out there who know what it feels like to go through the waiting came
you've described so succinctly. Leaves me feeling humble.

>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Tue, 20 May 2008 17:54:44 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>yes I think I could sacrifice fruit except for a few berries - as long as I
>can have a mango on my birthday!

G'day G'day David,

I sincerely hope to dissuade you from such an extreme position.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Mon, 19 May 2008 20:17:16 -0400, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>There's nothing in fruit that you can't get in non-starchy vegies...
>except for a load of sugar.

Nothing?

G'day G'day Priscilla,

When someone uses absolute terms such as "nothing, always, never" a
reflexive module in my brain goes off turning that absolute statement
into a question.

What you say is quite true ... except where it isn't.

Actually it's quite hard to spot why your statement shouldn't be
accepted in its entirety. It is only thanks to the inbuilt reflexes
that I began to suspect some attention needed to be given.

Here is why it so important to tackle the comparison between fruit and
vegetables. What you are saying has a lot of validity. It is the sort
of simple general comment I'd be proud to make. Simplicity leads to
better implementation. The non-starchy vegetables you refer to are a
better investment for most mineral and vitamins than fruit. One could
get all the minerals and vitamins found in fruit from vegetables. IIRC
someone, Alan S perhaps posted a comparison

There are a few things though that don't seem to be supplied in
sufficient quantities in vegetables even though they are the better
performers.

Darn.

Vit E is one of those things. It is the sort of thing that tempts
intelligent well educated people to go out and buy supplements. This
is despite the published evidence suggesting that Vit E supplements
has a small negative impact on life expectancy. They quite rightly
claim that sometimes the quality of research isn't very high so the
reported negative impact might not exist in reality. They happily bet
against the collective evidence out there suggesting supplementing
with Vit E is unwise or at least not wildly beneficial. After
everything they are gambling that the researchers are wrong. Which
ever way you look at it, it's a gamble. Must we take it?

My hypothesis is that it is a risk one need not take provided one
includes some fruit in one diet. Fruit is a good source of
polyphenols. You have met polyphenols when you cut an apple and left
it for a while and it turned brown. That was phenolic compounds being
attacked by the air. The good news is the polyphenols in fruit can
recycle Vit E so that we need less Vit E in our diet ... provided we
have rich flavoured fruit in our diet. The more varied the better.

OK, it is better to have diet which is vegetable based rather than
fruit based. However IMHO it makes sense to include some fruit even
if in the form of damson plum sauce to go on the steaks.

Now let's deal with your last point ... "except for a load of sugar"
The carbohydrate in fruit is mostly sugar. Plants that produce edible
fruit intend them to eaten so their seeds will be carried far and
wide. This however is wasteful in the one currency a plant really
feels, carbohydrate. Spend all morning at the office
photosynthesizing and something comes along expecting a free lunch.

Hmm.

Well the trick is to seduce the animals by providing them with half a
free lunch. Sugar is sweeter than starch. Fructose is sweeter than
glucose. So providing table sugar or its equivalent in a mix of
fructose and glucose is a good trick as far as the plant is concerned.
It takes a very smart animal to realise they're being seduced.
Fructose isn't as good for health as glucose. So first I ought to
congratulate you for recognising that sugar isn't the best ... at
least that is the implication I'm picking up from your comment.
You recognize this fact. There is a lot of truth in it.

However, is there a lot of sugar though in fruit?

IMHO not as much as there appears to be. That's the point of my
describing things from the plants point of view. To the plant that
carbohydrate goes on the cost side of ledger not the profit side.
Survival goes to the most business like plants, those that seduce the
most conveyors of seeds with the least expenditure on carbohydrate.
Put simply, natural selection in plants favors those that provide the
LEAST carbohydrate while seducing the most spreaders of seeds. A
quick count of ASD respondents will quickly assure one that the
strawberries seduction strategy works though how they managed to work
in conjunction with cows producing cream to pull it off is beyond me.
<grin>

Berries fit this description well.

Strawberries taste oh so sweet yet they seduce us with mere 7% of
carbohydrate. So although berries provide mostly sugar they don't
provide loads of it. They simply can't afford to.

I think your generalisation is so good it is worth every new comer and
even us old fogies noting well. IMHO it improves if given a slight
modification.

I don't know about others but I'm proud of how ASD works.

David has learnt that eating fruit is better than drinking fruit
juice. Others lurking out there in cyberspace will have learnt from
him.

Priscilla has directed attention to the primary importance of
vegetables.

I've added a slight modification suggesting that fruit especially
berries that don't subject us to a high carbohydrate load have a place
too.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:47:58 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>I sometimes slip in a bit of mango with a chicken salad. A slice of
>pineapple with ham salad etc.

Way to go. When first diagnosed I was naturally keen to get my blood
glucose under control. I also was keen to lose weight and lost 20 kg
which I kept of without problems for half a decade. My favourite
meals were similar to what you're suggesting. Salads with slices of
lean meat and peaches or mangoes. It worked.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Tue, 20 May 2008 18:53:01 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Nice combo . . . Ozgirl you need to come to my place and make friends with
>my wife - so she can learn a thing or two!!

Shame on you David. The essential strategy for blokes to accept full
responsibility for what they eat. IMHO that means pouring your
natural creativity into preparing meals. Remember your having
diabetes is tough on the family as is any chronic illness. You owe to
them to do more than the average bloke to reset the balance.

Whoops. Did my male liberation genes just express themselves.

Best wishes David, we each have to do it our own way.
You can see mine easily enough and must choose your own.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:49:39 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Smart to make your own - I will look into a yoghurt maker - my mom used to
>make it just with containers I cant quite remember

G'day G'day David,

EasiYo is cheap here. Much cheaper than any pre-made yoghurt. Talking
of yoghurt watch out for low fat yoghurts. They are often have extra
carbohydrate. Read the labels. You'll be horrified at how much
commercial yoghurts vary in their composition. Take a good look at
total calories (or kJ) as this is important too. Next look at
carbohydrate. Fat content is less important in practice here since
most manufacturers try to that down anyway. There is one brand that
has 5% carbs and 5% fats. IMHO that is better than one with 12%
carbs.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:50:42 -0400, Priscilla Ballou
<vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote:

>You don't need anything fancy. Just a container and a place to keep it
>warm but not hot for 8-12 hours.
>
>Priscilla

G'day G'day Priscilla,

Some yoghurt makers simply use hot water from the electric jug to heat
the outside of the container holding the yoghurt. The yoghurt maker is
simply a plastic container lined with polystyrene foam. Its not quite
as home grown as using the airing cupboard but it is convenient.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:6aup34l5dilet9ad3mc4r90hqc4tr4m6hs@4ax.com...
>
> One question that is sometimes asked quite seriously is why eat fruit
> at all?
>
> It's a really important question. Surely vegetables provide all the
> nutrients that fruit do. Yeap they do. By comparison fruit is
> typically not very nutrient rich as far as minerals go.
>

We don't yet know *everything* about what's in food & how it all interacts.
They keep discovering new stuff, or that one source is better than another
that *seems* just-as-good-or-better, etc.

After all, they've even discovered there's something good about *chocolate*!
bj