Foot Report

If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.

I've been tempted to abandon my treatment approach, many times, and go
with what my two doctors have suggested (anti-seizures or
anti-depressants), but I'm still hanging in with the OTC supplements and
the Rebuilder (TENS like device)--along with strict diet of lean
proteins, green veggies, nuts etc., and Lantus nearly exclusively.

I've reduced my bg fluctuations from a BG AVERAGE/Standard Deviation of
24% (just prior to onset of symptoms) to <12.2% during the last 30
days. This is based on the writings Dr. Irl Hirsch, M.D., a Type I
himself and director of the U. of Wash. Diabetes Care Center.

In the last two weeks, things have been working well, but I've been
through many ups and downs in the four months since the burning started
and I know I can make no predictions. The minute the problem appears
solved, the nerves will prove me wrong.

One thing I now know, anything I eat after 4 to 5 pm will cause burning
in the evening for an hour or two regardless of blood sugar
level--anything from a salad to an omelet, to steamed broccoli. This
argues for the theory of oxidative stress IMHO.

So, I've managed to maintain a healthy sleep schedule by no eating after
5:00 pm.

Still walking about 30 miles a week.
The orthotics my DPM prescribed are awful and cost a small fortune. They
sit in a drawer.

Good luck to all.

Type II since 5/98
BMI of 22.5
BF% 19.3
Average A1C past 10 years 5.3

"Uncle Enrico" <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HM3Oj.1069$26.472@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net. ..
> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.

I take Evening Primrose Oil, 1,000 mg each morning and night. It really
helps and if I try to go without it, I notice a difference.
>
> I've been tempted to abandon my treatment approach, many times, and go
> with what my two doctors have suggested (anti-seizures or
> anti-depressants), but I'm still hanging in with the OTC supplements and
> the Rebuilder (TENS like device)--along with strict diet of lean proteins,
> green veggies, nuts etc., and Lantus nearly exclusively.

Those pills didn't work for me and only gave me bad side effects. Never
tried a TENS unit.
>
> I've reduced my bg fluctuations from a BG AVERAGE/Standard Deviation of
> 24% (just prior to onset of symptoms) to <12.2% during the last 30 days.
> This is based on the writings Dr. Irl Hirsch, M.D., a Type I himself and
> director of the U. of Wash. Diabetes Care Center.
>
> In the last two weeks, things have been working well, but I've been
> through many ups and downs in the four months since the burning started
> and I know I can make no predictions. The minute the problem appears
> solved, the nerves will prove me wrong.

I never really had what I would call burning. More like pins and needles, a
stabbing, crushing pain, like a big hand was squeezing my foot and trying to
break the bones. I had a feeling of coldness, but at the same time felt
like I had thick socks on. When walking, it was as though I had a big rock
strapped to the bottom of my feet, or that I was walking on pebbles. Now
the only thing I really notice is if I am walking barefoot or in stocking
feet (wrong to do that I know) and step on something, it kills. Feels like
I am stepping on something sharp, even if it is small and not sharp at all.
>
> One thing I now know, anything I eat after 4 to 5 pm will cause burning in
> the evening for an hour or two regardless of blood sugar level--anything
> from a salad to an omelet, to steamed broccoli. This argues for the theory
> of oxidative stress IMHO.
>
> So, I've managed to maintain a healthy sleep schedule by no eating after
> 5:00 pm.

No bedtime snack?
>
> Still walking about 30 miles a week.
> The orthotics my DPM prescribed are awful and cost a small fortune. They
> sit in a drawer.
>
> Good luck to all.

I wear only certain brands of shoes. Mainly Birkenstock and New Balance,
but I also have some from Sofft, Aravon, and a few others whose names escape
me.

In article <HM3Oj.1069$26.472@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
Uncle@nospam.com says...
> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>
Go to the shoe store

Buy a pair or two of Dr Martens shoes or boots.

I bought the boots (I've owned them in the past) and they provide
peerless comfort when walking. I find my neuropathy isn't nearly as
aggravated after walking in the boots. Their shoes use the same sole,
but go for classic designs as they have the traditional Air-Wair sole.

Maybe it's because the air cushioned sole helps cut down on transmitting
some of the shocks and vibrations to the already damaged nerves.
Secondly don't let your feet get too warm as that aggravates the pain
due to increased blood flow so always wear good quality socks and cotton
rich if possible. I like looser knit boot socks as they let your feet
breathe properly

Ratty

On Apr 18, 10:13*am, Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.

I'm interested in the subject too, but don't have much experience to
offer. After 26 years of being a diabetic, my doc tells me that the
tuning-fork test shows some very slight neuropathy in my feet. No
other symptoms (and in fact I still pass the "sparkie" test just
fine.) If I should be doing anything in particular (other than
continuing to regulate my bg's), my doc hasn't given me much guidance,
so I'm interested in what others do.

Tim.

Tim Shoppa wrote:
> On Apr 18, 10:13 am, Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>
> I'm interested in the subject too, but don't have much experience to
> offer. After 26 years of being a diabetic, my doc tells me that the
> tuning-fork test shows some very slight neuropathy in my feet. No
> other symptoms (and in fact I still pass the "sparkie" test just
> fine.) If I should be doing anything in particular (other than
> continuing to regulate my bg's), my doc hasn't given me much guidance,
> so I'm interested in what others do.
>
> Tim.
I've read that most diabetics have some degree of neuropathy, mainly a
loss of sensation that they haven't noticed, despite not having symptoms
such as pain, tingling or numbness.

A prominent theory is that fluctuations in blood glucose levels creates
oxidative stress that damages nerves.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Uncle Enrico" <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:HM3Oj.1069$26.472@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net. ..
>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>
> I take Evening Primrose Oil, 1,000 mg each morning and night. It really
> helps and if I try to go without it, I notice a difference.

I'm taking EPO plus alpha lipoic acid and benfotiamine.

>> I've been tempted to abandon my treatment approach, many times, and go
>> with what my two doctors have suggested (anti-seizures or
>> anti-depressants), but I'm still hanging in with the OTC supplements and
>> the Rebuilder (TENS like device)--along with strict diet of lean proteins,
>> green veggies, nuts etc., and Lantus nearly exclusively.
>
> Those pills didn't work for me and only gave me bad side effects. Never
> tried a TENS unit.

The device is called the Rebuilder. You can Google it. It's made a big
improvement for me. I have the less expensive unit.

>> I've reduced my bg fluctuations from a BG AVERAGE/Standard Deviation of
>> 24% (just prior to onset of symptoms) to <12.2% during the last 30 days.
>> This is based on the writings Dr. Irl Hirsch, M.D., a Type I himself and
>> director of the U. of Wash. Diabetes Care Center.
>>
>> In the last two weeks, things have been working well, but I've been
>> through many ups and downs in the four months since the burning started
>> and I know I can make no predictions. The minute the problem appears
>> solved, the nerves will prove me wrong.
>
> I never really had what I would call burning. More like pins and needles, a
> stabbing, crushing pain, like a big hand was squeezing my foot and trying to
> break the bones. I had a feeling of coldness, but at the same time felt
> like I had thick socks on. When walking, it was as though I had a big rock
> strapped to the bottom of my feet, or that I was walking on pebbles. Now
> the only thing I really notice is if I am walking barefoot or in stocking
> feet (wrong to do that I know) and step on something, it kills. Feels like
> I am stepping on something sharp, even if it is small and not sharp at all.
>> One thing I now know, anything I eat after 4 to 5 pm will cause burning in
>> the evening for an hour or two regardless of blood sugar level--anything
>> from a salad to an omelet, to steamed broccoli. This argues for the theory
>> of oxidative stress IMHO.
>>
>> So, I've managed to maintain a healthy sleep schedule by no eating after
>> 5:00 pm.
>
> No bedtime snack?
>> Still walking about 30 miles a week.
>> The orthotics my DPM prescribed are awful and cost a small fortune. They
>> sit in a drawer.
>>
>> Good luck to all.
>
> I wear only certain brands of shoes. Mainly Birkenstock and New Balance,
> but I also have some from Sofft, Aravon, and a few others whose names escape
> me.

I've had good luck with New Balance walking shoes including their hiking
shoes.

Flying Rat wrote:
> In article <HM3Oj.1069$26.472@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> Uncle@nospam.com says...
>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>>
> Go to the shoe store
>
> Buy a pair or two of Dr Martens shoes or boots.
>
> I bought the boots (I've owned them in the past) and they provide
> peerless comfort when walking. I find my neuropathy isn't nearly as
> aggravated after walking in the boots. Their shoes use the same sole,
> but go for classic designs as they have the traditional Air-Wair sole.
>
> Maybe it's because the air cushioned sole helps cut down on transmitting
> some of the shocks and vibrations to the already damaged nerves.
> Secondly don't let your feet get too warm as that aggravates the pain
> due to increased blood flow so always wear good quality socks and cotton
> rich if possible. I like looser knit boot socks as they let your feet
> breathe properly
>
> Ratty

Will look into the Dr. Martins. Any particular model?

In article <xB7Oj.3019$h75.1226@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> ,
Uncle@nospam.com says...
> Flying Rat wrote:
> > In article <HM3Oj.1069$26.472@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> > Uncle@nospam.com says...
> >> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> >> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
> >>
> > Go to the shoe store
> >
> > Buy a pair or two of Dr Martens shoes or boots.
> >
> > I bought the boots (I've owned them in the past) and they provide
> > peerless comfort when walking. I find my neuropathy isn't nearly as
> > aggravated after walking in the boots. Their shoes use the same sole,
> > but go for classic designs as they have the traditional Air-Wair sole.
> >
> > Maybe it's because the air cushioned sole helps cut down on transmitting
> > some of the shocks and vibrations to the already damaged nerves.
> > Secondly don't let your feet get too warm as that aggravates the pain
> > due to increased blood flow so always wear good quality socks and cotton
> > rich if possible. I like looser knit boot socks as they let your feet
> > breathe properly
> >
> > Ratty
>
> Will look into the Dr. Martins. Any particular model?
>

Just classic ones with Air-Wair soles rather than anything from their
more 'trendy' range! They do perfectly acceptable brogue styles or
classic shoes as well as boots.

EBay is worth a look as long as you go for dr Martens branded products.
There are fakes and cheaper reproductions out there but if you buy from
a supplier with a good reputation in your own country then savings can
be had. I saved eighty dollars on a pair that way.

They also offer the protection that neuropathic feet need, which is
another plus. A pair of the shoes can literally last for years of daily
use as they are built to last too.

Ratty

friend Uncle Enrico wrote:
>
> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>
> I've been tempted to abandon my treatment approach, many times, and go
> with what my two doctors have suggested (anti-seizures or
> anti-depressants), but I'm still hanging in with the OTC supplements and
> the Rebuilder (TENS like device)--along with strict diet of lean
> proteins, green veggies, nuts etc., and Lantus nearly exclusively.
>
> I've reduced my bg fluctuations from a BG AVERAGE/Standard Deviation of
> 24% (just prior to onset of symptoms) to <12.2% during the last 30
> days. This is based on the writings Dr. Irl Hirsch, M.D., a Type I
> himself and director of the U. of Wash. Diabetes Care Center.

You are a type-2 diabetic, however, as you indicate below.

> In the last two weeks, things have been working well, but I've been
> through many ups and downs in the four months since the burning started
> and I know I can make no predictions. The minute the problem appears
> solved, the nerves will prove me wrong.

In our collective clinical experience, the VAT (black fat) can cause
neuropathy even when there is sufficient pancreatic function to
overcome the associated insulin resistance (IR/MetS).

> One thing I now know, anything I eat after 4 to 5 pm will cause burning
> in the evening for an hour or two regardless of blood sugar
> level--anything from a salad to an omelet, to steamed broccoli. This
> argues for the theory of oxidative stress IMHO.

The problem is likely your black fat (VAT) which will persist until
you eat less down to the right amount, thereby becoming hungrier than
ever:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

> So, I've managed to maintain a healthy sleep schedule by no eating after
> 5:00 pm.

If you have been hungrier at bed time, this would be good.

> Still walking about 30 miles a week.

If you have been hungrier, this also would be good.

> The orthotics my DPM prescribed are awful and cost a small fortune. They
> sit in a drawer.
>
> Good luck to all.

No such thing as luck either good or bad because everything the world
would credit to chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).

> Type II since 5/98
> BMI of 22.5
> BF% 19.3

Not good if any of this is black fat which is likely given the above:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat

> Average A1C past 10 years 5.3

So that it is clear your neuropathy is not from hyperglycemia.

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

.... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

.... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForSnow

<><

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels

Change Chung’s titles, he hates it!

Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only
doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to
sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming
us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until
we all complain about his tactics!

Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for
people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you
to stop this immediately.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state
qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology”
in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a
tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the
medical community.


Dr. Yamantaka Says,
He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons
of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum
community standards.


Mike Mordant says:
Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices
soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000
and
$280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get
treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains
lawful steward."

To that Mr. Chung’s web site states:

“after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair
market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so
that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile
cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this
opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If
interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries
with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).”



In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic
at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a
ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little
content on the site and nothing of any medical value.

So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic
numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of
stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and
everything to do with his desire to derive profits.

Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications,
> Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last
> year ?

No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the
fellowship training in cardiology.


> Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist
> who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both
> internal and cardiovascular medicine.

That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal
medicine.

Dr. Yamantaka also stated:

Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully
answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked
you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the
boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to
answer these questions honestly.
This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your
claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be
pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your
clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your
mental illness and personality disorder.
Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified
Internist. I am.
"Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to
offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How
does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer
reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing
VAT.
If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support
your absurd claims, then stop.
His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/
her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd,
nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done
anonymously.
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/c...729866,00.html

From the website of the Georgia Medical Board:

What is unprofessional conduct?

According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes
"any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of
acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but
not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or
diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as
determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care."

In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not
limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping,
not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in
excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment
(mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope
of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of
one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and
Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and
360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct
for which a licensee may be disciplined.

File a Complaint
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
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Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723
http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/00/a...080031,00.html

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> friend Uncle Enrico wrote:
> >
> > If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
> > what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
> >
> > I've been tempted to abandon my treatment approach, many times, and go
> > with what my two doctors have suggested (anti-seizures or
> > anti-depressants), but I'm still hanging in with the OTC supplements and
> > the Rebuilder (TENS like device)--along with strict diet of lean
> > proteins, green veggies, nuts etc., and Lantus nearly exclusively.
> >
> > I've reduced my bg fluctuations from a BG AVERAGE/Standard Deviation of
> > 24% (just prior to onset of symptoms) to <12.2% during the last 30
> > days. This is based on the writings Dr. Irl Hirsch, M.D., a Type I
> > himself and director of the U. of Wash. Diabetes Care Center.
>
> You are a type-2 diabetic, however, as you indicate below.
>
> > In the last two weeks, things have been working well, but I've been
> > through many ups and downs in the four months since the burning started
> > and I know I can make no predictions. The minute the problem appears
> > solved, the nerves will prove me wrong.
>
> In our collective clinical experience, the VAT (black fat) can cause
> neuropathy even when there is sufficient pancreatic function to
> overcome the associated insulin resistance (IR/MetS).
>
> > One thing I now know, anything I eat after 4 to 5 pm will cause burning
> > in the evening for an hour or two regardless of blood sugar
> > level--anything from a salad to an omelet, to steamed broccoli. This
> > argues for the theory of oxidative stress IMHO.
>
> The problem is likely your black fat (VAT) which will persist until
> you eat less down to the right amount, thereby becoming hungrier than
> ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> > So, I've managed to maintain a healthy sleep schedule by no eating after
> > 5:00 pm.
>
> If you have been hungrier at bed time, this would be good.
>
> > Still walking about 30 miles a week.
>
> If you have been hungrier, this also would be good.
>
> > The orthotics my DPM prescribed are awful and cost a small fortune. They
> > sit in a drawer.
> >
> > Good luck to all.
>
> No such thing as luck either good or bad because everything the world
> would credit to chance happens by GOD (Proverbs 16:33).
>
> > Type II since 5/98
> > BMI of 22.5
> > BF% 19.3
>
> Not good if any of this is black fat which is likely given the above:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat
>
> > Average A1C past 10 years 5.3
>
> So that it is clear your neuropathy is not from hyperglycemia.
>
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
> Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
>
> Hunger is wonderful:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger
>
> It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
>
> Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
> paid for with their and our immortal lives.
>
> Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
> of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
> forever ...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
>
> ... gone:
>
> http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
>
> Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
> the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
>
> "Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
>
> ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
>
> Amen.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
>
> A simple parable for the wise and discerning:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

On Apr 19, 9:34 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForSnow

File a Complaint
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723

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CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA
5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B |
MABLETON, GA 30126
Physician Profile
040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009

Change Chung’s titles, he hates it!

Make sure and complain about Mr. Chungs spams to Google, he is only
doing it to drive up traffic on his web site that he is attempting to
sell for half a million dollars to Emory University. He is spamming
us to drive up traffic numbers at his web site and will not stop until
we all complain about his tactics!

Anorexia is a serious medical condition. Your calls (Mr. Chung) for
people to "go hungry" and to "be skinny" are criminal and I advise you
to stop this immediately.

www.anad.org/

and

www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/

If you or somebody you knows suffers from this condition, seek medical
attention and DO NOT LISTEN to Andrew B. Chung. If he persist in this
continued action, he won't be able to afford an Internet connection to
log on and spam us with the ridiculous statements that are being
delivered by somebody that claims to be in the Medical profession. It
is irresponsible to dispense medical advice without even knowing the
condition of the people you are delivering the message to.

See to it his license to practice medicine is revoked in his state.
Don’t be fooled by Chung! He admits to not keeping his state
qualifications and while he likes to post a link to “Emory Cardiology”
in his post, the site that states it is a “unofficial web site as a
tribute” and in no way is an endorsement of him or his standing in the
medical community.


Dr. Yamantaka Says,
He is already under investigation by the State of Georgia for reasons
of dishonesty, mental illness and inability to practice up to minimum
community standards.


Mike Mordant says:
Other authorities may take an interest in his business practices
soon. He'll owe the IRS somewhere in the neighborhood of $150,000
and
$280,000 for his sale of the emorycardiology.com domain. It may get
treated as ordinary income, not a capital gain since he "remains
lawful steward."

To that Mr. Chung’s web site states:

“after receiving an offer from Emory University for less than its fair
market value, I have been moved to put this domain on the market so
that others may have the opportunity to purchase this high-profile
cardiology domain at its current market value. However, this
opportunity is for the domain only and not the web content. If
interested, please leave a message at 404.699.2780 (serious inquiries
with offers of more than US$550,000.00 only).”



In other words, Mr. Chung is spamming us on usenet to create traffic
at his domain so that he can blackmail Emory University into paying a
ridiculous sum of money just for the domain name. There is very little
content on the site and nothing of any medical value.

So, don’t visit the site. He’s just trying to drive up traffic
numbers to justify the cost and that is why he is putting dozens of
stupid spams. They have nothing to do with the Christian faith and
everything to do with his desire to derive profits.

Mr. Chung says of his own qualifications,
> Didn't you take the required exam for recertification last
> year ?

No. The board-certification in internal medicine was required for the
fellowship training in cardiology.


> Cardiology is a subspecialty of internal medicine. The cardiologist
> who treated me for atypical chest pain is board certified in both
> internal and cardiovascular medicine.

That is his/her choice as it is mine to not recertify in internal
medicine.

Dr. Yamantaka also stated:

Chung, you have shown that you are unable or unwilling to truthfully
answer the reasonable and straight forward questions that I have asked
you to address. Any practicing physician who repeatedly makes the
boasts and claims that you do on these newsgroups would be able to
answer these questions honestly.

This proves that you are lying about your medical practice and your
claims, both by omission and commission. You are continuing to be
pathologically untruthful in how you represent yourself and your
clinical experience. This is dishonest and further evidence of your
mental illness and personality disorder.

Chung, you are not an endocrinologist. You are not a Board Certified
Internist. I am.
"Black fat" is not a term that is used in medicine. . You claim to
offer measurement of VAT. How is it measured? What units are used? How
does one know when it is lost. Please site evidence-based, peer
reviewed sources that state that diabetes is curable upon loosing
VAT.

If you are unable or unwilling to give verifiable evidence to support
your absurd claims, then stop.
His license is already under investigation. Anyone wishing to add his/
her complaints about Chung's unprofessional behavior and absurd,
nonstandard medical advice can also contact the Board. It can be done
anonymously.

http://medicalboard.georgia.gov/02/c...729866,00.html

From the website of the Georgia Medical Board:

What is unprofessional conduct?

According to the Medical Practice Act, unprofessional conduct includes
"any departure from or failure to conform to the minimal standards of
acceptable and prevailing medical practice and shall also include, but
not be limited to the prescribing or use of drugs, treatment or
diagnostic procedures which are detrimental to the patient as
determined by the minimal standards of acceptable medical care."

In general, examples of unprofessional conduct include, but are not
limited to, physical abuse of a patient, inadequate record keeping,
not recognizing or acting upon common symptoms, prescribing drugs in
excessive amounts or without legitimate reason, personal impairment
(mental or physical) that hinders safely practicing within the scope
of one's license or certificate, performing duties beyond the scope of
one's license or certificate and dishonesty. The Investigations and
Discipline rules of the Georgia Medical Board, (Rule 360-3.02 and
360-3-.04), also provide additional examples of unprofessional conduct
for which a licensee may be disciplined.

File a Complaint
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
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About…

CHUNG, ANDREW BEN-HUA
5701 MABLETON PARKWAY 2 B |
MABLETON, GA 30126
Physician Profile
040347 Active 08/03/1995 07/31/2009 Cardiovascular Disease/
Cardiology NONE

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:29:32 GMT, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Tim Shoppa wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 10:13 am, Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>>
>> I'm interested in the subject too, but don't have much experience to
>> offer. After 26 years of being a diabetic, my doc tells me that the
>> tuning-fork test shows some very slight neuropathy in my feet. No
>> other symptoms (and in fact I still pass the "sparkie" test just
>> fine.) If I should be doing anything in particular (other than
>> continuing to regulate my bg's), my doc hasn't given me much guidance,
>> so I'm interested in what others do.
>>
>> Tim.
>I've read that most diabetics have some degree of neuropathy, mainly a
>loss of sensation that they haven't noticed, despite not having symptoms
>such as pain, tingling or numbness.
>
>A prominent theory is that fluctuations in blood glucose levels creates
>oxidative stress that damages nerves.

Mine had "only" reached the stage of numbness/tingling around 140,
leading on to pins and needles and "foot going to sleep" around 180,
and has almost completely resolved as long as I don't exceed those
numbers. The poky line test was good but the tuning fork showed sime
permanently dead patches mainly on my big toes and the ball of one
foot.

Things that may have helped, apart from keeping the BG down: EPO and
ALA

I can't say for certain but since taking the ALA for some months I
suddenly realised it's been a long while since I last felt my heart
kicking as I was falling asleep. This may nor may not have been a
symptom of autonomic neuropathy, the GP's other suggestions were an
excess of caffeine or a reaction from acid reflux leading to a
sensation of palpitations rather than *actual* palpitations. Either
way that also seems to have cleared up.

Could all be coincidence though, but since there are so many similar
reports there's probably something in it. Takes time though, instant
cure it ain't

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc11@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:0c817fb2-bb96-4498-9fd4-867023784ce0@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForSnow
>
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> http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren

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How to make a Bloody Maggie - in honor of the the Virgin Maggie Hen mother of
Chickie;

Put two raw eggs in a glass and a shot of vodka.

La Chaim

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> How to make a Bloody Maggie - in honor of the the Virgin Maggie Hen mother
> of
> Chickie;
>
> Put two raw eggs in a glass and a shot of vodka.
>
> La Chaim
>
>

Chung should be on Marinol, highest possible dose. A combination of that
and Thorazine would solve his problems straight away.



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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:19:13 -0400, Machete wrote:

> "J666" <j666@jmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C4303927002716FEF0407530@news-server.rgv.rr.com...
>> How to make a Bloody Maggie - in honor of the the Virgin Maggie Hen
>> mother of
>> Chickie;
>>
>> Put two raw eggs in a glass and a shot of vodka.
>>
>> La Chaim
>>
>>
>>
> Chung should be on Marinol, highest possible dose. A combination of
> that and Thorazine would solve his problems straight away.
>

What you are doing is
called mental masturbation.
Worse than watching porn.

Get well soon.

--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 0:19:13 -0500, Machete wrote

>
> Chung should be on Marinol, highest possible dose. A combination of that
> and Thorazine would solve his problems straight away.
>

And use a Bloody Maggie to help swallow the pills.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF

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http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeartssatan

Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:29:32 GMT, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
> wrote:

>>Tim Shoppa wrote:
>>> On Apr 18, 10:13 am, Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>>>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>>>
>>> I'm interested in the subject too, but don't have much experience to
>>> offer. After 26 years of being a diabetic, my doc tells me that the
>>> tuning-fork test shows some very slight neuropathy in my feet. No
>>> other symptoms (and in fact I still pass the "sparkie" test just
>>> fine.) If I should be doing anything in particular (other than
>>> continuing to regulate my bg's), my doc hasn't given me much guidance,
>>> so I'm interested in what others do.
>>>
>>> Tim.
>>I've read that most diabetics have some degree of neuropathy, mainly a
>>loss of sensation that they haven't noticed, despite not having symptoms
>>such as pain, tingling or numbness.
>>
>>A prominent theory is that fluctuations in blood glucose levels creates
>>oxidative stress that damages nerves.

> Mine had "only" reached the stage of numbness/tingling around 140,
> leading on to pins and needles and "foot going to sleep" around 180,
> and has almost completely resolved as long as I don't exceed those
> numbers. The poky line test was good but the tuning fork showed sime
> permanently dead patches mainly on my big toes and the ball of one
> foot.

> Things that may have helped, apart from keeping the BG down: EPO and
> ALA

> I can't say for certain but since taking the ALA for some months I
> suddenly realised it's been a long while since I last felt my heart
> kicking as I was falling asleep. This may nor may not have been a
> symptom of autonomic neuropathy, the GP's other suggestions were an
> excess of caffeine or a reaction from acid reflux leading to a
> sensation of palpitations rather than *actual* palpitations. Either
> way that also seems to have cleared up.

> Could all be coincidence though, but since there are so many similar
> reports there's probably something in it. Takes time though, instant
> cure it ain't

At diagnosis I had numbness and tingling in parts of both feet, and
was getting pp tinglings in my hands. Once I got my pp BGs mostly
under 140 the neuropathy started receding. Two years ago I had none in
my hands or left foot, and it has reduced by about 2/3 in my right
foot in area. I've had neuropathy problems in that foot for thirty
years, probably long before diabetes or pre-diabetes. So I decided the
right foot neuropathy wasn't diabetic in origin.

If ever I over-indulged and got pps over about 140 I'd start getting
small echoes of the tingling I used to have in hands and feet.

A year ago the right foot neuropathy started slowly worsening again. I
ignored it as probably not diabetic since the other foot and my hands
weren't affected, which was probably foolish optimism. I'm pretty sure
my diabetes is making it worse, whatever its origin.

A few weeks ago I started doing long hours of tree surgery when the
weather was good, which it usually wasn't :-). That involves often
standing for a long time with the weight mostly on one foot in an
awkward position. I noticed that after several minutes the foot would
start to go to sleep. That's a new phenomenon and suggests poor
circulation. The neuropathy in my feet also worsened a lot, coming
back in the left foot as well. Was that due to high BGs due to the
unaccustomed amount of exercise, or due to the restricted circulation
in an awkwardly jammed stationary foot?

So a week ago I started taking ALA and EPO as many here recommend. The
neuropathy has reduced by about half. It's nearly disappeared from the
left foot. And I've decided when up a tree I should be careful to keep
switching feet so they don't fall asleep.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Chris Malcolm wrote:

>
> So a week ago I started taking ALA and EPO as many here recommend. The
> neuropathy has reduced by about half. It's nearly disappeared from the
> left foot. And I've decided when up a tree I should be careful to keep
> switching feet so they don't fall asleep.
>

Vitamin D3 supplementation has been shown to be effective for neuropathy
symptoms and pain:

http://jasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/cont...13/suppl_1/S37

Also Benfotiamine, a B1 synthetic has been used to treat neuropathy pain
and the AGEs that come with higher than normal levels of blood sugar in
the nerves, kidneys and eyes.

In addition to Benfotiamine, the B1 synthetic, B6 and B12
supplementation has been shown to be helpful.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8...?dopt=Abstract

On 8 May 2008 11:34:13 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:29:32 GMT, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>Tim Shoppa wrote:
>>>> On Apr 18, 10:13 am, Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> If anyone would like to give an update on their neuropathy symptoms and
>>>>> what they're doing to deal with the issue, I'd be an interested reader.
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in the subject too, but don't have much experience to
>>>> offer. After 26 years of being a diabetic, my doc tells me that the
>>>> tuning-fork test shows some very slight neuropathy in my feet. No
>>>> other symptoms (and in fact I still pass the "sparkie" test just
>>>> fine.) If I should be doing anything in particular (other than
>>>> continuing to regulate my bg's), my doc hasn't given me much guidance,
>>>> so I'm interested in what others do.
>>>>
>>>> Tim.
>>>I've read that most diabetics have some degree of neuropathy, mainly a
>>>loss of sensation that they haven't noticed, despite not having symptoms
>>>such as pain, tingling or numbness.
>>>
>>>A prominent theory is that fluctuations in blood glucose levels creates
>>>oxidative stress that damages nerves.
>
>> Mine had "only" reached the stage of numbness/tingling around 140,
>> leading on to pins and needles and "foot going to sleep" around 180,
>> and has almost completely resolved as long as I don't exceed those
>> numbers. The poky line test was good but the tuning fork showed sime
>> permanently dead patches mainly on my big toes and the ball of one
>> foot.
>
>> Things that may have helped, apart from keeping the BG down: EPO and
>> ALA
>
>> I can't say for certain but since taking the ALA for some months I
>> suddenly realised it's been a long while since I last felt my heart
>> kicking as I was falling asleep. This may nor may not have been a
>> symptom of autonomic neuropathy, the GP's other suggestions were an
>> excess of caffeine or a reaction from acid reflux leading to a
>> sensation of palpitations rather than *actual* palpitations. Either
>> way that also seems to have cleared up.
>
>> Could all be coincidence though, but since there are so many similar
>> reports there's probably something in it. Takes time though, instant
>> cure it ain't
>
>At diagnosis I had numbness and tingling in parts of both feet, and
>was getting pp tinglings in my hands. Once I got my pp BGs mostly
>under 140 the neuropathy started receding. Two years ago I had none in
>my hands or left foot, and it has reduced by about 2/3 in my right
>foot in area. I've had neuropathy problems in that foot for thirty
>years, probably long before diabetes or pre-diabetes. So I decided the
>right foot neuropathy wasn't diabetic in origin.
>
>If ever I over-indulged and got pps over about 140 I'd start getting
>small echoes of the tingling I used to have in hands and feet.

Yes that seems to be the "magic number" for several of us.

>A year ago the right foot neuropathy started slowly worsening again. I
>ignored it as probably not diabetic since the other foot and my hands
>weren't affected, which was probably foolish optimism. I'm pretty sure
>my diabetes is making it worse, whatever its origin.
>
>A few weeks ago I started doing long hours of tree surgery when the
>weather was good, which it usually wasn't :-). That involves often
>standing for a long time with the weight mostly on one foot in an
>awkward position. I noticed that after several minutes the foot would
>start to go to sleep. That's a new phenomenon and suggests poor
>circulation. The neuropathy in my feet also worsened a lot, coming
>back in the left foot as well. Was that due to high BGs due to the
>unaccustomed amount of exercise, or due to the restricted circulation
>in an awkwardly jammed stationary foot?
>
>So a week ago I started taking ALA and EPO as many here recommend. The
>neuropathy has reduced by about half. It's nearly disappeared from the
>left foot. And I've decided when up a tree I should be careful to keep
>switching feet so they don't fall asleep.

Mine is always roughly symmetrical, the only way I can induce anything
assymetrical is to jam my foot into an awkward position under my
chair. Since it's reversible I assume I am cutting off my circulation
throuigh mechanical means.

Have you checked your foot pulses or tested your BP in one leg vs. the
other? This might show up a circulatory problem. If not then it may
well be a result of your back injury?

On 8 May 2008 11:34:13 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>So a week ago I started taking ALA and EPO as many here recommend. The
>neuropathy has reduced by about half. It's nearly disappeared from the
>left foot. And I've decided when up a tree I should be careful to keep
>switching feet so they don't fall asleep.

Forgot to add, keep a check on your numbers, the ALA has caused a
reduction in my BG overall and a reduction in my liver's efforts to be
helpful, to the extent I now have to watch for genuine as opposed to
reactive lows, especially as my muscles seem to eat the glucose more
effectively when doing stuff.

Trinkwasser <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 8 May 2008 11:34:13 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:

>>So a week ago I started taking ALA and EPO as many here recommend. The
>>neuropathy has reduced by about half. It's nearly disappeared from the
>>left foot. And I've decided when up a tree I should be careful to keep
>>switching feet so they don't fall asleep.

> Forgot to add, keep a check on your numbers, the ALA has caused a
> reduction in my BG overall and a reduction in my liver's efforts to be
> helpful, to the extent I now have to watch for genuine as opposed to
> reactive lows, especially as my muscles seem to eat the glucose more
> effectively when doing stuff.

I haven't been keeping a check on my numbers. It's a bit inconvenient
to take a BG testing kit up a tree :-) But as always when physically
active for hours I always have some carby snackery in a pocket in case
I start getting shaky. I've had to do that all my life, and oddly
enough, since I discovered I was diabetic and shifted to a higher fat
and higher protein diet, I seem to need the carby snacking to keep me
going a lot less than I used to. I'll often now come back from walks
of a few hours without having bothered to eat my apple or whatever.

Moving around in trees and using saws is sufficiently strenuous that I
do need a small snack break about every 90 minutes. So in view of your
comment I was interested to see if that changed after I started the
EPO and ALA. It doesn't seem to have changed to any noticeable extent.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On 18 May 2008 10:45:06