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  1. #1
    skinny Guest

    Default how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    supplies, but a question while researching.

    How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    will add up to a 'unit'?


    skinny

  2. #2
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin


    "skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:s5n5f3uju5vg$.[email protected]..
    > My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    > each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    > supplies, but a question while researching.
    >
    > How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    > cartridges
    > will add up to a 'unit'?


    A unit is a very small amount. I don't know exactly. I use pens but mine
    don't have cartridges. One of my pens contains 300 units and I inject 84
    units each night. So a pen doesn't last me very long.



  3. #3
    RodS Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    skinny wrote:
    > My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    > each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    > supplies, but a question while researching.
    >
    > How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    > will add up to a 'unit'?
    >
    >
    > skinny

    A 3ml cartridge has 300 units a unit is about 1 drop, usually they will
    tell you to use about 2 units to make sure there is no air in the needle.

    (- -)
    =m=(_)=m=
    RodS T2
    Australia

  4. #4
    Alan S Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >supplies, but a question while researching.
    >
    >How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    >will add up to a 'unit'?
    >
    >
    >skinny


    As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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  5. #5
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100, Alan S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>
    >>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    >>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>
    >>
    >>skinny

    >
    >As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.


    NO!

    100 units = 1CC or 1ml. a unit is 1/100th of a CC.

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  6. #6
    percy Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    MÓckę« wrote:
    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100, Alan S
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>> each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>> supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>
    >>> How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    >>> will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> skinny

    >> As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.

    >
    > NO!
    >
    > 100 units = 1CC or 1ml. a unit is 1/100th of a CC.
    >



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  7. #7
    Alan S Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:06:11 -0500, MÓckę«
    <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100, Alan S
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>
    >>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    >>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>skinny

    >>
    >>As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.

    >
    >NO!
    >
    >100 units = 1CC or 1ml. a unit is 1/100th of a CC.


    Of course he's right. I should proof read more closely. Many
    apologies, thanks for the rapid correction Mack.

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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  8. #8
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:12:33 +1100, Alan S
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:06:11 -0500, MÓckę«
    ><MÓ[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100, Alan S
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>>
    >>>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    >>>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>skinny
    >>>
    >>>As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.

    >>
    >>NO!
    >>
    >>100 units = 1CC or 1ml. a unit is 1/100th of a CC.

    >
    >Of course he's right. I should proof read more closely. Many
    >apologies, thanks for the rapid correction Mack.
    >
    >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.



    no worries.

    hey, do the math, typically the largest insulin syringe is 1 CC or 100
    units.

    Now using your math how many injections at one sitting would a regular
    in this group be taking if she injected her 80+ units via syringe
    instead of pen.

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  9. #9
    Anon Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin


    "MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:12:33 +1100, Alan S
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:06:11 -0500, MÓckę«
    >><MÓ[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100, Alan S
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog)
    >>>>>at
    >>>>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >>>>>cartridges
    >>>>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>skinny
    >>>>
    >>>>As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.
    >>>
    >>>NO!
    >>>
    >>>100 units = 1CC or 1ml. a unit is 1/100th of a CC.

    >>
    >>Of course he's right. I should proof read more closely. Many
    >>apologies, thanks for the rapid correction Mack.
    >>
    >>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

    >
    >
    > no worries.
    >
    > hey, do the math, typically the largest insulin syringe is 1 CC or 100
    > units.
    >
    > Now using your math how many injections at one sitting would a regular
    > in this group be taking if she injected her 80+ units via syringe
    > instead of pen.
    >
    > --
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    > Type 1 since 1975
    > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
    > http://www.diabetic-talk.org
    > http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
    > http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
    > http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
    > http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/
    >
    >
    > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    > President, or that we are to stand by the President
    > right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    > but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    > ...Theodore Roosevelt
    >
    > (o ˘)
    > --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
    >
    > "I don't know half of you
    > half as well as I should like;
    > and I like less than half of you
    > half as well as you deserve."
    > ....Bilbo Baggins
    >
    >
    > DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
    > offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
    > If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
    > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
    > .


    Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    U100 confused a lot of people.



  10. #10
    skinny Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:58:03 -0800, Anon wrote:

    > Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    > U100 confused a lot of people.



    YOu mean things were worse confused?

    Somebody said upthread that a 'unit' was about one drop. Unless that's
    wrong, I'll surf with that in mind for a while.

    Thanks...!


    skinny

  11. #11
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin


    "skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:9w94okz47c68$.c94jsmu7msph$.[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:58:03 -0800, Anon wrote:
    >
    >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80
    >> and
    >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    >
    > YOu mean things were worse confused?
    >
    > Somebody said upthread that a 'unit' was about one drop. Unless that's
    > wrong, I'll surf with that in mind for a while.
    >
    > Thanks...!


    It is about a drop. You do have to inject two units into the air prior to
    injecting into yourself. With Novolog, it usually makes a thin little
    squirt in the air. Lantus must be a bit thicker. It just plops out a big
    drop from the end of the needle. Occasionally there will be a small squirt.



  12. #12
    Anon Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin


    "skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:9w94okz47c68$.c94jsmu7msph$.[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:58:03 -0800, Anon wrote:
    >
    >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80
    >> and
    >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    >
    > YOu mean things were worse confused?
    >
    > Somebody said upthread that a 'unit' was about one drop. Unless that's
    > wrong, I'll surf with that in mind for a while.
    >
    > Thanks...!
    >
    >
    > skinny


    U100 is the standard today, it means 100 units in each CC. In the old days,
    they had insulin with 40, 80 or 100 units per CC. I once had insulin
    syringes with scales for U80 and U100 both on the same syringe. That was
    confusing and led to a lot of mistakes.



  13. #13
    BillW50 Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In news:[email protected],
    Alan S typed on Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:47:23 +1100:
    > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin
    >> (Humalog) at each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator
    >> before he gets the supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>
    >> How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >> cartridges will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>
    >>
    >> skinny

    >
    > As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.


    Huh? Who told you that?

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  14. #14
    Dave in TX Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    I believe 50 Units equals one CC or cubic centimeter.

    Dave in TX

    "skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:s5n5f3uju5vg$.[email protected]..
    > My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    > each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    > supplies, but a question while researching.
    >
    > How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    > cartridges
    > will add up to a 'unit'?
    >
    >
    > skinny




  15. #15
    Dave in TX Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    Argh! I spoke too soon. Here is the correct answer:
    The cc's (cubic centimeter) are a measure of the VOLUME of the syringe, not
    the NUMBER of units of insulin. The cc's and units measure two different
    things.

    In the U.S., most insulin is formulated at 100 units per milliliter, or 100
    units per cc (since a cc equals a milliliter). However, insulin syringes
    come in different sizes to match insulin strength and dosage. For instance,
    if a syringe holds 1 cc (or 1 milliliter), then it can hold 100 units of
    insulin. If your friend takes 30 units of insulin, then the 3/10 cc syringe
    would be best. If 50 units of insulin are needed, then a Ż cc syringe is
    closest.

    Shamed faced Dave in TX

    "Dave in TX" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:J_5gl.9620$[email protected]..
    >I believe 50 Units equals one CC or cubic centimeter.
    >
    > Dave in TX
    >
    > "skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:s5n5f3uju5vg$.[email protected]..
    >> My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >> each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >> supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>
    >> How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >> cartridges
    >> will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>
    >>
    >> skinny

    >
    >




  16. #16
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:45:17 -0800, skinny <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:58:03 -0800, Anon wrote:
    >
    >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    >
    >YOu mean things were worse confused?
    >
    >Somebody said upthread that a 'unit' was about one drop. Unless that's
    >wrong, I'll surf with that in mind for a while.
    >
    >Thanks...!
    >
    >
    >skinny



    it's a rough guestimate. However a single drop from a syringe can
    very in size, not an accurate way to guestimate it. But then we rely
    on the syringe markings not visual guessing.

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    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
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    and I like less than half of you
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  17. #17
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:25 -0600, "Dave in TX"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I believe 50 Units equals one CC or cubic centimeter.
    >
    >Dave in TX


    nope, your halfway there.


    >
    >"skinny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:s5n5f3uju5vg$.[email protected] ..
    >> My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >> each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >> supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>
    >> How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >> cartridges
    >> will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>
    >>
    >> skinny

    >


  18. #18
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:50:35 -0600, "Dave in TX"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Argh! I spoke too soon. Here is the correct answer:
    >The cc's (cubic centimeter) are a measure of the VOLUME of the syringe, not
    >the NUMBER of units of insulin. The cc's and units measure two different
    >things.
    >
    >In the U.S., most insulin is formulated at 100 units per milliliter, or 100
    >units per cc (since a cc equals a milliliter). However, insulin syringes
    >come in different sizes to match insulin strength and dosage. For instance,
    >if a syringe holds 1 cc (or 1 milliliter), then it can hold 100 units of
    >insulin. If your friend takes 30 units of insulin, then the 3/10 cc syringe
    >would be best. If 50 units of insulin are needed, then a Ż cc syringe is
    >closest.
    >
    >Shamed faced Dave in TX
    >


    whether it's a 1/3 or 1/2 or full CC syringe makes no difference in
    measuring the dose.

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    http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o ˘)
    --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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    half as well as I should like;
    and I like less than half of you
    half as well as you deserve."
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  19. #19
    Uncle Enrico Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    skinny wrote:
    > My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    > each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    > supplies, but a question while researching.
    >
    > How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many cartridges
    > will add up to a 'unit'?
    >
    >
    > skinny

    Your friend's 3 ml. cartridge holds 300 units. The typical 10 ml vial
    of insulin holds 1000 units. Cartridges are convenient when one is
    using low doses given that the manufacturers urge users to throw out
    their insulin after 28 days of use.

  20. #20
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    > Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    > U100 confused a lot of people.


    It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    concentrations.

    http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf

    A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.

    IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the color
    coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.

    Tim.

  21. #21
    BillW50 Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In
    news:[email protected],
    Tim Shoppa typed on Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST):
    [...]
    > A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    > mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5...


    Wow! The most I ever had taken a day is 40 units. Although I know people
    who take 200+ units a day and they are the same weight and height as I
    am. And I wasn't too serious when I tell them that their dose would kill
    me. I guess their dose could *really* kill me.

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  22. #22
    Alan S Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:39:42 -0500, MÓckę«
    <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >no worries.
    >
    >hey, do the math, typically the largest insulin syringe is 1 CC or 100
    >units.
    >
    >Now using your math how many injections at one sitting would a regular
    >in this group be taking if she injected her 80+ units via syringe
    >instead of pen.


    I knew the correct numbers, but my fingers typed different
    to the brain's instructions.

    Not all that uncommon for me; I usually proof-read pretty
    well but slipped this time.


    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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    d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (ADA Accomplishments in 2008)
    http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Drivers, Stepped Wells and Baolis)

  23. #23
    Richard Evans Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    Tim Shoppa <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    >It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >concentrations.
    >
    > http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >
    >A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >


    Yup. I've been using huge doses of Humalog for many years: 60 - 100
    units at a pop. My endo just switched me to U-500, so to prevent
    inadvertent overdoses, I dumped all my 1CC syringes and switched to
    1/3CC so I can't just automatically draw and shoot 60+ units.

  24. #24
    hemyd Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    "Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>
    >>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >>cartridges
    >>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>
    >>
    >>skinny

    >
    > As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.
    >
    > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    > --
    > d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (ADA Accomplishments in 2008)
    > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Drivers, Stepped Wells and Baolis)


    I use 3ml cartridges. I can get many (possibly 10) ten unit shots out of
    each.

    Henry Mydlarz



  25. #25
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    >It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >concentrations.
    >
    > http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >
    >A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >
    >IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the color
    >coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >
    >Tim.



    Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50 etc.
    http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp


    Different insulins and action times.
    http://www.diabetes.org/uedocuments/rg05insulins.pdf



  26. #26
    Bob Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:58:44 +1100, "hemyd"
    <myd!!![email protected]> wrote:

    >"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>
    >>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >>>cartridges
    >>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>skinny

    >>
    >> As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.
    >>
    >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    >> --
    >> d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    >> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    >> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (ADA Accomplishments in 2008)
    >> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Drivers, Stepped Wells and Baolis)

    >
    >I use 3ml cartridges. I can get many (possibly 10) ten unit shots out of
    >each.


    The Levemir Flexpens I use are 3ml and the numbers are marked in
    increments of 50 on the clear part of the barrel. The first mark shown
    is 250, but the 300 level is actually up inside where you can't see it
    when new.
    The max units that can be dialed in for an injection is 60 with
    increments of 1 starting at 0..
    Basically 5 injections of 60 plus a few extra units for initial
    charging of the screw on needles, etc. at max single injection dose.

    Now different method. Syringe and vial of insulin.
    On the side of a box of regular BD Insulin Syringes is a chart
    of the different size syringes and needles..
    3/10 mL/cc (up to 30 units)
    (The 3/10 box says use with U-100 insulin)
    1/2 mL/cc (up to 50 units)
    1 mL/cc (up to 100 units)
    Needle size - 12.7 mm and 8mm short

    I believe most U-100 insulin comes in 10mL vials.
    Which would be 1000 units per vial...

    The fun part is not all insulin has the same effect.
    Levemir and Lantus both 24 hour insulins.
    It appears that it takes a lot more Levemir
    compared to Lantus to get the same effect.

  27. #27
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:04:30 -0800, Bob <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:58:44 +1100, "hemyd"
    ><myd!!![email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>>
    >>>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >>>>cartridges
    >>>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>skinny
    >>>
    >>> As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.
    >>>
    >>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    >>> --
    >>> d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    >>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    >>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (ADA Accomplishments in 2008)
    >>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Drivers, Stepped Wells and Baolis)

    >>
    >>I use 3ml cartridges. I can get many (possibly 10) ten unit shots out of
    >>each.

    >
    >The Levemir Flexpens I use are 3ml and the numbers are marked in
    >increments of 50 on the clear part of the barrel. The first mark shown
    >is 250, but the 300 level is actually up inside where you can't see it
    >when new.
    >The max units that can be dialed in for an injection is 60 with
    >increments of 1 starting at 0..
    >Basically 5 injections of 60 plus a few extra units for initial
    >charging of the screw on needles, etc. at max single injection dose.


    are you saying that the 300 mL pen has extra insulin in it's cartridge
    to cover priming? check again.


    >
    >Now different method. Syringe and vial of insulin.
    >On the side of a box of regular BD Insulin Syringes is a chart
    >of the different size syringes and needles..
    >3/10 mL/cc (up to 30 units)
    >(The 3/10 box says use with U-100 insulin)
    >1/2 mL/cc (up to 50 units)
    >1 mL/cc (up to 100 units)
    >Needle size - 12.7 mm and 8mm short
    >
    >I believe most U-100 insulin comes in 10mL vials.
    >Which would be 1000 units per vial...


    all accurate.

    >
    >The fun part is not all insulin has the same effect.
    >Levemir and Lantus both 24 hour insulins.
    >It appears that it takes a lot more Levemir
    >compared to Lantus to get the same effect.


    http://www.diabetes.org/uedocuments/rg05insulins.pdf
    ALL insulins will vary in how they act simply because each human is
    very different, not to mention each insulin being different.

    --
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    http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
    http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
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    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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    half as well as I should like;
    and I like less than half of you
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  28. #28
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Jan 30, 4:03*am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    > >On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    > >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    > >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    > >It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    > >allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    > >concentrations.

    >
    > > *http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf

    >
    > >A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    > >mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.

    >
    > >IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the color
    > >coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.

    >
    > >Tim.

    >
    > Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50 etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp


    And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was to
    check that the color of the stopper match the color of the syringe -
    of course U-40 was still available back then.

    I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that U-100
    vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly abandoned
    the standard color coding you now have to carefully look at the
    bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the potency, just
    the brand name.

    Tim.

  29. #29
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jan 30, 4:03*am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >> >On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >> >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40, U80 and
    >> >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >>
    >> >It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >> >allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >> >concentrations.

    >>
    >> > *http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf

    >>
    >> >A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >> >mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.

    >>
    >> >IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the color
    >> >coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.

    >>
    >> >Tim.

    >>
    >> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50 etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp

    >
    >And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    >the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    >purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was to
    >check that the color of the stopper match the color of the syringe -
    >of course U-40 was still available back then.
    >
    >I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    >wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that U-100
    >vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly abandoned
    >the standard color coding you now have to carefully look at the
    >bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the potency, just
    >the brand name.
    >
    >Tim.



    you may have your facts wrong:
    International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    --
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    Type 1 since 1975
    http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
    http://www.diabetic-talk.org
    http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
    http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
    http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
    http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    President, or that we are to stand by the President
    right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    ....Theodore Roosevelt

    (o ˘)
    --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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    half as well as I should like;
    and I like less than half of you
    half as well as you deserve."
    ....Bilbo Baggins


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    offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
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  30. #30
    Bob Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:39:33 -0500, MÓckę«
    <MÓ[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:04:30 -0800, Bob <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:58:44 +1100, "hemyd"
    >><myd!!![email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected] ...
    >>>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:04:52 -0800, skinny <[email protected]>
    >>>> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>My T2 friend got his prescription to start injecting insulin (Humalog) at
    >>>>>each meal with a HumaPen. He will see an educator before he gets the
    >>>>>supplies, but a question while researching.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>How big is a 'unit'? The pen will use "3ml" cartridges. How many
    >>>>>cartridges
    >>>>>will add up to a 'unit'?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>skinny
    >>>>
    >>>> As Rod said, in effect, 1 unit = 1cc or 1ml.
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    >>>> --
    >>>> d&e, metformin 2000 mg
    >>>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
    >>>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (ADA Accomplishments in 2008)
    >>>> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Drivers, Stepped Wells and Baolis)
    >>>
    >>>I use 3ml cartridges. I can get many (possibly 10) ten unit shots out of
    >>>each.

    >>
    >>The Levemir Flexpens I use are 3ml and the numbers are marked in
    >>increments of 50 on the clear part of the barrel. The first mark shown
    >>is 250, but the 300 level is actually up inside where you can't see it
    >>when new.
    >>The max units that can be dialed in for an injection is 60 with
    >>increments of 1 starting at 0..
    >>Basically 5 injections of 60 plus a few extra units for initial
    >>charging of the screw on needles, etc. at max single injection dose.

    >
    >are you saying that the 300 mL pen has extra insulin in it's cartridge
    >to cover priming? check again.


    It is a 3mL pen and after about 50 of them at 60 unit doses that is
    what I am seeing.

    >>Now different method. Syringe and vial of insulin.
    >>On the side of a box of regular BD Insulin Syringes is a chart
    >>of the different size syringes and needles..
    >>3/10 mL/cc (up to 30 units)
    >>(The 3/10 box says use with U-100 insulin)
    >>1/2 mL/cc (up to 50 units)
    >>1 mL/cc (up to 100 units)
    >>Needle size - 12.7 mm and 8mm short
    >>
    >>I believe most U-100 insulin comes in 10mL vials.
    >>Which would be 1000 units per vial...

    >
    >all accurate.
    >
    >>
    >>The fun part is not all insulin has the same effect.
    >>Levemir and Lantus both 24 hour insulins.
    >>It appears that it takes a lot more Levemir
    >>compared to Lantus to get the same effect.

    >
    >http://www.diabetes.org/uedocuments/rg05insulins.pdf
    >ALL insulins will vary in how they act simply because each human is
    >very different, not to mention each insulin being different.


    Might note in the pdf that Insulin detemir (Levemir) is not shown.

  31. #31
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Jan 30, 12:35*pm, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    > >On Jan 30, 4:03*am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa

    >
    > >> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    > >> >On Jan 28, 2:58*pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    > >> >> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of U40,U80 and
    > >> >> U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    > >> >It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    > >> >allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    > >> >concentrations.

    >
    > >> > *http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf

    >
    > >> >A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    > >> >mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.

    >
    > >> >IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the color
    > >> >coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.

    >
    > >> >Tim.

    >
    > >> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50 etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp

    >
    > >And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    > >the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    > >purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was to
    > >check that the color of the stopper match the color of the syringe -
    > >of course U-40 was still available back then.

    >
    > >I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    > >wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that U-100
    > >vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly abandoned
    > >the standard color coding you now have to carefully look at the
    > >bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the potency, just
    > >the brand name.

    >
    > >Tim.

    >
    > you may have your facts wrong:
    > International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211


    No, I've got my facts right. People have died because the existing
    color-coding standards for insulin concentration were abandoned in
    favor of marketing-driven colors.

    OMFG, I looked at that suggested color coding standard, I'm sure
    whatever committee came up with that started out with good intentions
    but the result is useless. There's no way somebody like me is going to
    tell the difference bewee Olive, Blue-Green, Light Green and Dark
    Green. And the two insulins I use (Humalog and Lantus) aren't in the
    chart at all. That standard is garbage from the get-go. And it doesn't
    help the issue where people have died from mixing up U-100 and U-500.

    Tim.

  32. #32
    BillW50 Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In news:[email protected],
    MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    >>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    >>>
    >>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >>>> concentrations.
    >>>
    >>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >>>
    >>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >>>> mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >>>
    >>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    >>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >>>
    >>>> Tim.
    >>>
    >>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    >>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp

    >>
    >> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    >> the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    >> purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was
    >> to check that the color of the stopper match the color of the
    >> syringe - of course U-40 was still available back then.
    >>
    >> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    >> wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that
    >> U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly
    >> abandoned the standard color coding you now have to carefully look
    >> at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the
    >> potency, just the brand name.
    >>
    >> Tim.

    >
    > you may have your facts wrong:
    > International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    > http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211


    Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see which
    one I have in my hand.

    --
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    3 Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
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  33. #33
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Jan 31, 6:49*am, "BillW50" <Bill...@aol.kom> wrote:
    > Innews:[email protected],
    > MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    > > <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

    >
    > >> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    > >>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    > >>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    > >>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    > >>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.

    >
    > >>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    > >>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    > >>>> concentrations.

    >
    > >>>>http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf

    >
    > >>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    > >>>> mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.

    >
    > >>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    > >>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.

    >
    > >>>> Tim.

    >
    > >>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    > >>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp

    >
    > >> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    > >> the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    > >> purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was
    > >> to check that the color of the stopper match the color of the
    > >> syringe - of course U-40 was still available back then.

    >
    > >> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    > >> wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that
    > >> U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly
    > >> abandoned the standard color coding you now have to carefully look
    > >> at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the
    > >> potency, just the brand name.

    >
    > >> Tim.

    >
    > > you may have your facts wrong:
    > > International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    > >http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >
    > Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    > Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    > the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see which
    > one I have in my hand.


    The thing that would make sense would be some kind of color coding not
    only for units per ml - a color coding that already exists, orange for
    U-100, red for U-40, maybe we invent something new like black for
    U-500, and a different kind of shape coding (polkadots? stripes?
    lightning bolts?) for regular vs fast analogs vs NPH vs slow analogs.

    The IDFC standards are something clearly "designed by committee" and
    will never work.

    Tim.

  34. #34
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:34 -0600, "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In news:[email protected],
    >MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >>>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >>>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    >>>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    >>>>
    >>>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >>>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >>>>> concentrations.
    >>>>
    >>>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >>>>
    >>>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >>>>> mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >>>>
    >>>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    >>>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >>>>
    >>>>> Tim.
    >>>>
    >>>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    >>>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp
    >>>
    >>> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    >>> the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    >>> purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was
    >>> to check that the color of the stopper match the color of the
    >>> syringe - of course U-40 was still available back then.
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    >>> wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that
    >>> U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly
    >>> abandoned the standard color coding you now have to carefully look
    >>> at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the
    >>> potency, just the brand name.
    >>>
    >>> Tim.

    >>
    >> you may have your facts wrong:
    >> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    >> http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >
    >Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    >Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    >the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see which
    >one I have in my hand.



    I see an orange colored stripe on my bottle of Novolog insulin.

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  35. #35
    MÓckę« Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:58:10 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >> you may have your facts wrong:
    >> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >
    >No, I've got my facts right. People have died because the existing
    >color-coding standards for insulin concentration were abandoned in
    >favor of marketing-driven colors.
    >
    >OMFG, I looked at that suggested color coding standard, I'm sure
    >whatever committee came up with that started out with good intentions
    >but the result is useless. There's no way somebody like me is going to
    >tell the difference bewee Olive, Blue-Green, Light Green and Dark
    >Green. And the two insulins I use (Humalog and Lantus) aren't in the
    >chart at all. That standard is garbage from the get-go. And it doesn't
    >help the issue where people have died from mixing up U-100 and U-500.
    >
    >Tim.


    is there an actual link to this incident or any of these incidents, I
    ask because first there is a claim that "a" man died now there is a
    claim that "people" have died. Singular to plural. If you are going
    on memory you may indeed have your facts wrong.

    As for the newer insulins not being on the chart, that is explained in
    the text of the web site. The IDF has not gotten everyone to agree on
    it yet.

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  36. #36
    BillW50 Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In news:[email protected],
    MÓckę« typed on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:42:58 -0500:
    > On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:34 -0600, "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In news:[email protected],
    >> MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    >>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>>>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    >>>>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >>>>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >>>>>> concentrations.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a
    >>>>>> pharmacy mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    >>>>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Tim.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    >>>>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp
    >>>>
    >>>> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of
    >>>> using the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for
    >>>> marketing purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how
    >>>> important it was to check that the color of the stopper match the
    >>>> color of the syringe - of course U-40 was still available back
    >>>> then.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him
    >>>> the wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing
    >>>> that U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since
    >>>> Lilly abandoned the standard color coding you now have to
    >>>> carefully look at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know
    >>>> to check the potency, just the brand name.
    >>>>
    >>>> Tim.
    >>>
    >>> you may have your facts wrong:
    >>> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    >>> http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >>
    >> Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    >> Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    >> the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see
    >> which one I have in my hand.

    >
    >
    > I see an orange colored stripe on my bottle of Novolog insulin.


    Not me. All three of them looks the very same. Here is what one of them
    looks like.

    http://www.healthcentral.com/common/...10_69753_5.JPG


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  37. #37
    Anon Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin


    "MÓckę«" <MÓ[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:34 -0600, "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>In news:[email protected],
    >>MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    >>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>>>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    >>>>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    >>>>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >>>>>> concentrations.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a pharmacy
    >>>>>> mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    >>>>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Tim.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    >>>>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp
    >>>>
    >>>> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of using
    >>>> the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for marketing
    >>>> purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how important it was
    >>>> to check that the color of the stopper match the color of the
    >>>> syringe - of course U-40 was still available back then.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him the
    >>>> wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing that
    >>>> U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since Lilly
    >>>> abandoned the standard color coding you now have to carefully look
    >>>> at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know to check the
    >>>> potency, just the brand name.
    >>>>
    >>>> Tim.
    >>>
    >>> you may have your facts wrong:
    >>> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    >>> http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >>
    >>Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    >>Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    >>the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see which
    >>one I have in my hand.

    >
    >
    > I see an orange colored stripe on my bottle of Novolog insulin.
    >


    My Novolog pens have a wide orange band around the pen, an orange cap on the
    end and the threaded top is orange. My Levemire pens are the same except the
    color is green. This wasn't always the case, the wide colored band was added
    about 6 months after I switched from Lantus to Levemire.


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    > http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/
    >
    >
    > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the
    > President, or that we are to stand by the President
    > right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
    > but is morally treasonable to the American public."
    > ...Theodore Roosevelt
    >
    > (o ˘)
    > --ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
    >
    > "I don't know half of you
    > half as well as I should like;
    > and I like less than half of you
    > half as well as you deserve."
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    >
    >
    > DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
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  38. #38
    Peppermint Patootie Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In article <gm213b$t9$[email protected]>,
    "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In news:[email protected],
    > MÓckę« typed on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:42:58 -0500:
    > > On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:34 -0600, "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> In news:[email protected],
    > >> MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    > >>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    > >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > >>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    > >>>>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    > >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    > >>>>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    > >>>>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant or
    > >>>>>> allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    > >>>>>> concentrations.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a
    > >>>>>> pharmacy mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    > >>>>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> Tim.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 - 50/50
    > >>>>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp
    > >>>>
    > >>>> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of
    > >>>> using the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for
    > >>>> marketing purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how
    > >>>> important it was to check that the color of the stopper match the
    > >>>> color of the syringe - of course U-40 was still available back
    > >>>> then.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him
    > >>>> the wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing
    > >>>> that U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since
    > >>>> Lilly abandoned the standard color coding you now have to
    > >>>> carefully look at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know
    > >>>> to check the potency, just the brand name.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Tim.
    > >>>
    > >>> you may have your facts wrong:
    > >>> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    > >>> http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211
    > >>
    > >> Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    > >> Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either on
    > >> the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to see
    > >> which one I have in my hand.

    > >
    > >
    > > I see an orange colored stripe on my bottle of Novolog insulin.

    >
    > Not me. All three of them looks the very same. Here is what one of them
    > looks like.
    >
    > http://www.healthcentral.com/common/...10_69753_5.JPG


    Do you suppose that orange cap might mean something possibly?

    PP, T2

  39. #39
    BillW50 Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    In news:[email protected],
    Peppermint Patootie typed on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:42:09 -0500:
    > In article <gm213b$t9$[email protected]>,
    > "BillW50" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In news:[email protected],
    >> MÓckę« typed on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:42:58 -0500:
    >>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:49:34 -0600, "BillW50" <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> In news:[email protected],
    >>>> MÓckę« typed on Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:35:30 -0500:
    >>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:41:28 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Jan 30, 4:03 am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org>
    >>>>>> wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:15:05 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >>>>>>> <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2:58 pm, "Anon" <anonnos...@yahoo.net> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Thank god that all insulin is U100 these days. The old days of
    >>>>>>>>> U40, U80 and U100 confused a lot of people.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> It's not all U-100. For those who are highly insulin resistant
    >>>>>>>> or allergic, U-500 is available. And some pumps use different
    >>>>>>>> concentrations.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://pi.lilly.com/us/humulin-r-u500-pi.pdf
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> A guy died last year, I think, when he got U-500 through a
    >>>>>>>> pharmacy mistake and overdosed by a factor of 5.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> IMHO it doesn't help that the manufacturers have abandoned the
    >>>>>>>> color coding. (Orange = U-100) on insulin bottles.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Tim.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Color coding is used to distinguish between N - R - 70/30 -
    >>>>>>> 50/50
    >>>>>>> etc.http://www.lillydiabetes.com/content...f-insulins.jsp
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> And a guy died because Lilly abandoned the industry standard of
    >>>>>> using the color code to indicate units/ml and instead used it for
    >>>>>> marketing purposes. When I was diagnosed they emphasized how
    >>>>>> important it was to check that the color of the stopper match the
    >>>>>> color of the syringe - of course U-40 was still available back
    >>>>>> then.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm sure there's some fault, too, at the pharmacy for giving him
    >>>>>> the wrong stuff. And some fault in the dead guy for not knowing
    >>>>>> that U-100 vs U-500 is a matter of life and death and that since
    >>>>>> Lilly abandoned the standard color coding you now have to
    >>>>>> carefully look at the bottle. But a newbie probably doesn't know
    >>>>>> to check the potency, just the brand name.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Tim.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> you may have your facts wrong:
    >>>>> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:
    >>>>> http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211
    >>>>
    >>>> Doesn't work here! I have three types of insulin from Novo Nordisk.
    >>>> Regular, NPH, and Aspart. And I see no color coding on them either
    >>>> on the box or the vials. I have to physically read the labels to
    >>>> see which one I have in my hand.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I see an orange colored stripe on my bottle of Novolog insulin.

    >>
    >> Not me. All three of them looks the very same. Here is what one of
    >> them looks like.
    >>
    >> http://www.healthcentral.com/common/...10_69753_5.JPG

    >
    > Do you suppose that orange cap might mean something possibly?
    >
    > PP, T2


    Maybe. But all of mine are orange. If it means anything, it might mean
    U-100 perhaps. And once that cap is taken off, you can't get them back
    on once again. So it is only useful if it is unopened. And my Novolin R
    and N has a horizontal blue bar under Novolin. But Novolog has a
    vertical orange bar on the left side.

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  40. #40
    Tim Shoppa Guest

    Default Re: how big is a 'unit' of insulin

    On Jan 31, 8:46*am, MÓckę« <MÓc...@alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote:
    > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:58:10 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
    >
    > >> you may have your facts wrong:
    > >> International Diabetes Foundation Color coding standards:http://www.idf.org/home/index.cfm?node=1211

    >
    > >No, I've got my facts right. People have died because the existing
    > >color-coding standards for insulin concentration were abandoned in
    > >favor of marketing-driven colors.

    >
    > >OMFG, I looked at that suggested color coding standard, I'm sure
    > >whatever committee came up with that started out with good intentions
    > >but the result is useless. There's no way somebody like me is going to
    > >tell the difference bewee Olive, Blue-Green, Light Green and Dark
    > >Green. And the two insulins I use (Humalog and Lantus) aren't in the
    > >chart at all. That standard is garbage from the get-go. And it doesn't
    > >help the issue where people have died from mixing up U-100 and U-500.

    >
    > >Tim.

    >
    > is there an actual link to this incident or any of these incidents, I
    > ask because first there is a claim that "a" man died now there is a
    > claim that "people" have died. *Singular to plural. *If you are going
    > on memory you may indeed have your facts wrong.


    News story last year... discussed in this newsgroup in fact:

    http://www.thediabetesblog.com/2007/...n-death-claim/

    Here Wal-Mart was sued but I think the fundamental fault lies with the
    insulin manufacturers abandoning the color coding.

    As for the plural, the Institute for Safe Medication Practices notes:

    ISMP is receiving an increased number of
    reports of medication mix-ups involving
    prescriptions for regular insulin U-500
    and insulin U-100.

    so the Wal-Mart mix-up is not an isolated incident, it happens at
    other pharmacies too.

    I guess they chose to sue Wal-Mart because of deep pockets. I
    obviously think that this sort of error was inevitable because the
    insulin making companies have in most cases abandoned the meaning of
    the once standard industry-wide color coding, instead choosing to go
    with colors chosen by each company's marketing departments.

    There have also been incidents where U-40 syringes were mislabeled as
    U-100. I again clearly place the blame not on the particular pharmacy
    where the mistake was made, but on the industry as a whole abandoning
    the importance of color-coding the different insulin concentrations
    and syringes and emphasizing the importance of matching color to
    concentration everywhere from the factory to the pharmacy to the
    patient. I can't tell you how many times it was drilled into me when I
    was a kid to always match the colors and check the concentrations;
    that the color-coding of concentrations was vitally important was very
    clear 30 years ago; the industry chose to abandon the cross-checks in
    the decades since then.

    Tim.

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