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How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?
  1. #1
    jd023456 Guest

    Default How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    jd...Tom.


  2. #2
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    Low carb dieting is not the treatment for reactive hypoglycemia.

    Once a reactive hypoglycemic event occurs, the "horse is out the barn"
    because the earlier meal was too much and the pancreas overshoots on
    the insulin release.

    To avoid the next hypoglycemic episode, you will need to make the
    amount (weight) of the next meal less.

    Bottom line:

    It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount to become
    healthier (hungrier).

    Here's how:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMER Approach

    Illustrative case example:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

    Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

    http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist



    jd023456 wrote:
    > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > jd...Tom.



  3. #3
    ray Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:24:52 -0700, jd023456 wrote:

    > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.


    Wrong. A low carb diet is part of the treatment for hyperglycemia (high
    blood sugar). More carbs is the treatment for hypoglycemia (low blood
    sugar).

    > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > jd...Tom.


    One does that by reducing the carbs one eats. As a diagnosed T2 diabetic,
    my low carb diet averages about 30-50 grams of carbs per day. I do not go
    hypo, because my body does not utilize insulin very well - that is what T2
    diabetes is: insulin intolerance. I also take metformin 4x500 and exercise
    vigorously. My FBG is usually 80-95.


  4. #4
    jd023456 Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Sep 12, 10:12 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
    > Low carb dieting is not the treatment for reactive hypoglycemia.
    >
    > Once a reactive hypoglycemic event occurs, the "horse is out the barn"
    > because the earlier meal was too much and the pancreas overshoots on
    > the insulin release.
    >
    > To avoid the next hypoglycemic episode, you will need to make the
    > amount (weight) of the next meal less.
    >
    > Bottom line:
    >
    > It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount to become
    > healthier (hungrier).
    >
    > Here's how:
    >
    > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMERApproach
    >
    > Illustrative case example:
    >
    > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
    >
    > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
    >
    > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
    >
    > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
    >
    > Andrew <><
    > --
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    > Cardiologist
    >
    >
    >
    > jd023456 wrote:
    > > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > > jd...Tom.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    For Hypoglycemics I am told not to ever get hungry because your blood
    sugar drops too low. And this can be dangerous. So what do I do when
    by Blood glucose is 71 or 51?


  5. #5
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia withoutsymptoms?

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    jd023456 wrote:


    > For Hypoglycemics I am told not to ever get hungry because your blood
    > sugar drops too low. And this can be dangerous. So what do I do when
    > by Blood glucose is 71 or 51?
    >


    71 isn't hypo unless your body is used to running on well above normal
    sugars; I'd simply eat a small meal of protein with low GL carbs. At
    51, I'd take a sip or two of juice or eat a couple Smarties or SweeTarts
    and then eat a small, low glycemic meal with protein.

    Susan

  6. #6
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia withoutsymptoms?

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    ray wrote:
    > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:24:52 -0700, jd023456 wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.

    >
    >
    > Wrong. A low carb diet is part of the treatment for hyperglycemia (high
    > blood sugar). More carbs is the treatment for hypoglycemia (low blood
    > sugar).


    Low carb reverses the hyperinsulinemia at the root of hypoglycemia, so
    it does cure it as a treatment or intervention. A small amount of fast
    carbs can be used to treat an episode.

    > One does that by reducing the carbs one eats. As a diagnosed T2 diabetic,
    > my low carb diet averages about 30-50 grams of carbs per day. I do not go
    > hypo, because my body does not utilize insulin very well - that is what T2
    > diabetes is: insulin intolerance. I also take metformin 4x500 and exercise
    > vigorously. My FBG is usually 80-95.
    >


    Type 2 DM is not insulin intolerance which implies hypersensitivity,
    it's insulin *resistance* or insensitivity.

    Susan

  7. #7
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Sep 12, 12:24 pm, jd023456 <jd023...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > jd...Tom.


    Tom,
    I am fairly new here. Like all, this not a club I wanted to join but
    most of you folks seem to be living with what has become my "new
    hobby" rather well so I thank you for the info gleaned while lurking

    The nurse / RD I have worked with has been very helpful but her mantra
    is you know your body and YMMV

    The first 4 weeks hypos were common -- they are the reason I saught
    help to start with
    Now I know for me and again "your mileage may vary" my body responded
    well to a snack of nuts or protein. For what ever reason as I cut out
    carbs there were times I over produced insulin but a small snack of 8
    or so walnuts or a slice of lean luncheon meat would "kick start" and
    replace the "I must eat everything I can find hunger and associated
    nausea and dizziness" with a return to mental and visual focus and
    within 20 minutes the cravings and weirdness were gone. BG would
    bounce up from 50s or 60s to a nice 80 to 100 range but not yoyo.
    For me and again YMMV, the few times I tried any form of simple carb I
    went up down and felt much worse for the next 1-2 hours.

    I am now 4 months in and once I had metered enough to learn what my BG
    responds to I am now 6 weeks with no hypo or hyper readings. My am is
    105 to 120 and there is no pattern to predict but for me and my body
    "eating to the meter" has made all the difference.
    I am not dumb but it took me awhile to accept a calorie is not a
    calorie. Just like a car could run on any petrol there is a blend
    that works best for each auto.

    Thanks again to those who have helped and I will now probably go back
    to lurking. In a way I feel like I am "getting it" because I finally
    had an experience to share which may be useful.

    TTFN


  8. #8
    Paul L Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?


    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > jd023456 wrote:
    >
    >
    >> For Hypoglycemics I am told not to ever get hungry because your blood
    >> sugar drops too low. And this can be dangerous. So what do I do when
    >> by Blood glucose is 71 or 51?
    >>

    >
    > 71 isn't hypo unless your body is used to running on well above normal
    > sugars; I'd simply eat a small meal of protein with low GL carbs. At 51,
    > I'd take a sip or two of juice or eat a couple Smarties or SweeTarts and
    > then eat a small, low glycemic meal with protein.
    >
    > Susan


    As we are all different, I will add that I am shaky at 71 and was
    terribly uncomfortable at my all time low reading of 63.

    My last a1c results over the past year have been 5.5, 5.5 and 5.4
    so I don't think it is because my body is used to the high sugar thing.

    cheers

    Paul



  9. #9
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:16:39 -0700, jd023456 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Sep 12, 10:12 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    ><heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

    <a bunch of snipped stuff>
    >
    >For Hypoglycemics I am told not to ever get hungry because your blood
    >sugar drops too low. And this can be dangerous. So what do I do when
    >by Blood glucose is 71 or 51?


    Chung is not a reliable source of medical advice. I think you should
    definitely eat when hungry, or low - just go easy on the carbs;
    they're the root of your problems.

    Nicky.
    T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

  10. #10
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia withoutsymptoms?

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    L wrote:

    > As we are all different, I will add that I am shaky at 71 and was
    > terribly uncomfortable at my all time low reading of 63.


    That's exactly the point I made; if you're used to running much higher,
    you feel shaky at higher numbers. I used to feel shaky at 96, now it's
    more like 64.

    >
    > My last a1c results over the past year have been 5.5, 5.5 and 5.4
    > so I don't think it is because my body is used to the high sugar thing.


    Maybe not, but it's possible, since those are averages that don't tell
    you what the peaks are. Or maybe you have a bigger brain than I do; it
    uses some glucose, too. :-)

    Susan

  11. #11
    Paul L Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?


    "Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > L wrote:
    >
    >> As we are all different, I will add that I am shaky at 71 and was
    >> terribly uncomfortable at my all time low reading of 63.

    >
    > That's exactly the point I made; if you're used to running much higher,
    > you feel shaky at higher numbers. I used to feel shaky at 96, now it's
    > more like 64.
    >
    >>
    >> My last a1c results over the past year have been 5.5, 5.5 and 5.4
    >> so I don't think it is because my body is used to the high sugar thing.

    >
    > Maybe not, but it's possible, since those are averages that don't tell you
    > what the peaks are. Or maybe you have a bigger brain than I do; it uses
    > some glucose, too. :-)
    >
    > Susan


    bless you for offering that suggestion, but I feel comfortable
    in ruling it out immediately :-)

    cheers

    Paul



  12. #12
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    jd023456 wrote:
    > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
    >
    > > Low carb dieting is not the treatment for reactive hypoglycemia.
    > >
    > > Once a reactive hypoglycemic event occurs, the "horse is out the barn"
    > > because the earlier meal was too much and the pancreas overshoots on
    > > the insulin release.
    > >
    > > To avoid the next hypoglycemic episode, you will need to make the
    > > amount (weight) of the next meal less.
    > >
    > > Bottom line:
    > >
    > > It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount to become
    > > healthier (hungrier).
    > >
    > > Here's how:
    > >
    > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/2PD-OMERApproach
    > >
    > > Illustrative case example:
    > >
    > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
    > >
    > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
    > >
    > > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease


    > > jd023456 wrote:
    > > > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > > > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > > > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > > > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > > > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > > > jd...Tom.

    >
    > For Hypoglycemics I am told not to ever get hungry because your blood
    > sugar drops too low.


    Actually, when the blood sugar drops too low, there is not hunger but
    instead nervousness and confusion.

    > And this can be dangerous. So what do I do when
    > by Blood glucose is 71 or 51?


    If you are taking medications to lower your blood glucose, you will
    need to take in glucose either by mouth or vein and inform your doctor
    so that s/he will lower your medications.

    If you are **not** taking medications, you should be able to wait out
    the 71 as your body should be able to break down stored glycogen to
    raise it if you have not been low-carbing and remember that your next
    meal should be less food (by weight). A 51 on no medications would
    indicate the possibility of something other than reactive hypoglycemia
    and the diagnosis of an insulinoma should considered by your doctor.

    May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
    than ever:

    http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease

    Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

    Andrew <><
    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Cardiologist


  13. #13
    Ozgirl Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    there is no normal amount of carb. Carbs and fat do not have official RDA's.
    How many carbs a person eats is a personal choice. The hard working labourer
    would eat more carbs than the type 2 insulin resistant diabetic for example.
    For reactive hypoglycemia you need to only stop the reaction part. That
    involves eating a bit less carb per meal/snack than what triggers a hypo.
    Takes experimentation unfortunately. If you need to eat little and often you
    may well find that your total daily carb count is over 100. 100 carbs or 300
    carbs per day means little, it's how you spend them each meal and how far
    apart they. 50 carbs in one meal is possibly going to cause you to high'ish
    first then drop you down (fast - hence the feelings of hypo) because of the
    carbs job to induce natural insulin.

    "jd023456" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > jd...Tom.
    >




  14. #14
    ray Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:31:50 -0400, Susan wrote:

    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > ray wrote:
    >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:24:52 -0700, jd023456 wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.

    >>
    >>
    >> Wrong. A low carb diet is part of the treatment for hyperglycemia (high
    >> blood sugar). More carbs is the treatment for hypoglycemia (low blood
    >> sugar).

    >
    > Low carb reverses the hyperinsulinemia at the root of hypoglycemia, so
    > it does cure it as a treatment or intervention. A small amount of fast
    > carbs can be used to treat an episode.


    Thanks for the enlightenment - I didn't know that.

    >
    >> One does that by reducing the carbs one eats. As a diagnosed T2 diabetic,
    >> my low carb diet averages about 30-50 grams of carbs per day. I do not go
    >> hypo, because my body does not utilize insulin very well - that is what T2
    >> diabetes is: insulin intolerance. I also take metformin 4x500 and exercise
    >> vigorously. My FBG is usually 80-95.
    >>

    >
    > Type 2 DM is not insulin intolerance which implies hypersensitivity,
    > it's insulin *resistance* or insensitivity.


    Correct - I used the wrong term.


    >
    > Susan



  15. #15
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?


    "ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:24:52 -0700, jd023456 wrote:
    >
    >> I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.

    >
    > Wrong. A low carb diet is part of the treatment for hyperglycemia (high
    > blood sugar). More carbs is the treatment for hypoglycemia (low blood
    > sugar).


    I think this person is speaking of reactive hypoglycemia. In which case one
    must take steps to prevent it from happening. In my case, this means a
    balanced stream of carbs throughout the day. For some, a low carb approach
    helps. It didn't for me.

    <snip>



  16. #16
    Michelle C. Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Sep 12, 9:24 am, jd023456 <jd023...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > I have read that a low carb diet is the treatment for hypoglycemia.
    > How does one go to 100 carbs a day without experiencing hypoglycemic
    > symptoms? The normal amount of carbs for a person is 375 for a 2000
    > calorie diet a day. My fasting blood glucose seems to be high normal.
    > Its the morning fluctuations that cause the hypoglycemic symptoms.
    > Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    > jd...Tom.


    Hi Tom.

    First you have to understand the reason a higher carb diet causes
    hypoglycemia. When a person ingests carbs, the body puts out insulin
    to keep the BG from going too high. People prone to type 2 diabetes,
    usually suffer from insulin resistance and have some failure in their
    "phase I" insulin, so in order to bring the BG down to normal, their
    bodies put a a very high amount of insulin. It is the increased
    amount of insulin that plunges the BG into hypglycemic territory--
    hence the term "reactive hypoglycemia". If you do not overload your
    body with too many carbs, then the overload of insulin does not occur
    and your BG doesn't get too low. This is why a lower carb diet
    combats hypoglycemia.

    Best regards,
    Michelle C., T2
    diet & exercise
    (former sufferer of reactive hypoglycemia)


  17. #17
    Jackie Patti Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia withoutsymptoms?

    Paul L wrote:

    > As we are all different, I will add that I am shaky at 71 and was
    > terribly uncomfortable at my all time low reading of 63.
    >
    > My last a1c results over the past year have been 5.5, 5.5 and 5.4
    > so I don't think it is because my body is used to the high sugar thing.


    My theory is that it's the *speed* at which you drop that causes the
    hypo symptoms moreso than the actual level you drop to.


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  18. #18
    Mck Guest

    Default Re: How does one get down to a low carb diet for Hypoglycemia without symptoms?

    On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:07:59 -0500, Jackie Patti <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Paul L wrote:
    >
    >> As we are all different, I will add that I am shaky at 71 and was
    >> terribly uncomfortable at my all time low reading of 63.
    >>
    >> My last a1c results over the past year have been 5.5, 5.5 and 5.4
    >> so I don't think it is because my body is used to the high sugar thing.

    >
    >My theory is that it's the *speed* at which you drop that causes the
    >hypo symptoms moreso than the actual level you drop to.



    It's both in different situations.

    A rapid drop will cause symptoms in those who do not drop into actual
    hypo numbers.

    at what number below 80 a person will experience hypo symptoms varies
    from person to person and is affected by their level of control.

    Someone who is prone to hypos and has been diabetic for years can
    develop hypo-unawareness. Frequent hypos, even just mild ones, will
    Hypo-unawareness to worsen.

    Just because a person does not experience obvious symptoms does not
    mean that they are not hypo.

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