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Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.
  1. #1
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3 oz.
    Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a day.

    I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which I'd
    been treating with oral Augmentin.

    I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

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  2. #2
    Harold Groot Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 GMT, Nick Cramer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3 oz.
    >Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a day.
    >
    >I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    >treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which I'd
    >been treating with oral Augmentin.
    >
    >I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.
    >
    >Nick



    Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.

    Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.







  3. #3
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    [email protected] (Harold Groot) wrote:
    > Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3
    > >oz. Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a
    > >day.
    > >
    > >I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    > >treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which
    > >I'd been treating with oral Augmentin.
    > >
    > >I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > >bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.


    > Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    > drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    > taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    > swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.


    Thanks, Harold. It is not Food Grade. The 97% is listed as purified water,
    so I'll take my chances. If I stop posting, you'll know I died.

    > Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    > MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    > posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    > if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.


    I report what I do. I don't suggest to anyone that they copy me. I would
    hope that people research any course of action before engaging in it, as
    did I.

    Caveat phagor!

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  4. #4
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.


    "Harold Groot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 GMT, Nick Cramer <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3 oz.
    >>Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a day.
    >>
    >>I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    >>treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which I'd
    >>been treating with oral Augmentin.
    >>
    >>I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >>bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.
    >>
    >>Nick

    >
    >
    > Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    > drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    > taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    > swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.
    >
    > Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    > MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    > posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    > if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.


    I was wondering about that...



  5. #5
    Harold Groot Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 28 Feb 2009 03:21:57 GMT, Nick Cramer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >[email protected] (Harold Groot) wrote:
    >> Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3
    >> >oz. Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a
    >> >day.
    >> >
    >> >I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    >> >treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which
    >> >I'd been treating with oral Augmentin.
    >> >
    >> >I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >> >bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    >> Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    >> drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    >> taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    >> swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.

    >
    >Thanks, Harold. It is not Food Grade. The 97% is listed as purified water,
    >so I'll take my chances. If I stop posting, you'll know I died.



    >> Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    >> MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    >> posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    >> if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.



    >I report what I do. I don't suggest to anyone that they copy me. I would
    >hope that people research any course of action before engaging in it, as
    >did I.


    >Caveat phagor!
    >Nick



    Here's how the standard drugstore stuff is labeled here:

    Active Ingredient: STABILIZED Hydrogen Peroxide 3%
    Other Ingredients: Purified Water

    It's the Stabilizer that's bad for you.

    There's also a nice, clear label:

    WARNING: FOR EXTERNAL USE.... In case of accidental ingestion, seek
    professional assistance or contact a Poison Control Center
    immediately.

    They do make food grade Hydrogen Peroxide and it does get recommended
    for helping with a fungus overgrowth condition in the intestines - but
    it's special order stuff, not the everyday stuff.





  6. #6
    bgl Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Harold Groot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    > drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    > taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    > swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.
    >


    I used the regular stuff for my dog once, on advice of vet tech as
    something to try before taking her in after she'd eaten something she
    *really* shouldn't have. It took two doses (maybe about 1T each) to make
    her throw up, but it did work -- just as I was gearing up to take her to
    the vet where "we can make her throw up" (aka "we have our ways").
    (examining the output to be sure "everything" was there was no fun, but
    better than a late night trip to the doggy ER. And I'd had the brains to
    shut her in the bathroom with a tile floor, too.)
    bj



  7. #7
    terryc Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:

    > I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.


    Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability to
    drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.


  8. #8
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    [email protected] (Harold Groot) wrote:
    > Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >[email protected] (Harold Groot) wrote:
    > >> Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3
    > >> >oz. Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times
    > >> >a day.
    > >> >
    > >> >I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've
    > >> >been treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg,
    > >> >which I'd been treating with oral Augmentin.
    > >> >
    > >> >I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > >> >bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    > >
    > >> Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    > >> drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    > >> taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    > >> swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.

    > >
    > >Thanks, Harold. It is not Food Grade. The 97% is listed as purified
    > >water, so I'll take my chances. If I stop posting, you'll know I died.

    >
    > >> Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    > >> MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    > >> posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    > >> if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.

    >
    > >I report what I do. I don't suggest to anyone that they copy me. I would
    > >hope that people research any course of action before engaging in it, as
    > >did I.

    >
    > >Caveat phagor!


    > Here's how the standard drugstore stuff is labeled here:
    >
    > Active Ingredient: STABILIZED Hydrogen Peroxide 3%
    > Other Ingredients: Purified Water
    >
    > It's the Stabilizer that's bad for you.
    >
    > There's also a nice, clear label:
    >
    > WARNING: FOR EXTERNAL USE.... In case of accidental ingestion, seek
    > professional assistance or contact a Poison Control Center
    > immediately.
    >
    > They do make food grade Hydrogen Peroxide and it does get recommended
    > for helping with a fungus overgrowth condition in the intestines - but
    > it's special order stuff, not the everyday stuff.


    Thanks for the clarification, Harold. A few decades ago, I had a recipe
    that called for Sodium Carbonate. I bought Technical Grade at a swimming
    pool store. Worked fine for me. Ho hum. Arrrrgh! ;-/

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  9. #9
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >
    > > I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > > bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    > Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability to
    > drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.


    It's late. I'm tired. Sorry, Terry. Google is your friend,

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  10. #10
    Nicky Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 01 Mar 2009 02:14:04 GMT, terryc <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >
    >> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    >Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability to
    >drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.


    My 14yo is studying catalase for a science experiment atm. I'm pretty
    confident that she could describe 2H2O2 -> 2H2O + O2 : )

    Nicky.
    T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
    D&E, 100ug thyroxine
    Last A1c 5.3% BMI 25

  11. #11
    GysdeJongh Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 01 Mar 2009 02:14:04 GMT, terryc <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >>> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >>
    >>Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability to
    >>drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.

    >
    > My 14yo is studying catalase for a science experiment atm. I'm pretty


    Horse Radish Peroxidase, the fastest enzyme in town

    > confident that she could describe 2H2O2 -> 2H2O + O2 : )


    Hi Nicky,
    just my two cents :
    1) technical H2O2 is stabilized by heavy metals, I would not drink it.....
    2) the redox potential in your body is regulated, thanks god
    3) the H2O2 will not end up in your blood, thanks god
    4) maybe the poster is confused by the fact that white blood cells use H2O2
    to kill bacteria, which is totally unrelated to ingesting H2O2
    5) why would you eat all those antioxidant foods to help your body to
    maintain a healthy redox potential and drink H2O2 ????

    Gys



  12. #12
    Chris Hogg Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 01 Mar 2009 02:14:04 GMT, terryc <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >
    >> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    >Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability to
    >drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.


    Have a look here http://www.badscience.net/2003/05/quack-tales/

    and google '"hydrogen peroxide" therapy' for more stuff on this truly
    lunatic idea!

    --

    Chris

    T2 DX'd 2002, D&E, HbA1c 5.5,BMI 21
    Lipids:Tot 4.9 HDL 1.2 LDL 3.2 Tri 0.9

    E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

  13. #13
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    >> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    >Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability

    to
    >drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.


    "Have a look here http://www.badscience.net/2003/05/quack-tales/

    and google '"hydrogen peroxide" therapy' for more stuff on this truly
    lunatic idea!"

    Indeed, in many cases the use of antioxidants is suggested to counteract
    the production that occurs in the body of H2O2. The "o2" being the
    oxidizing source one wants to correct least more tissue damage occur.

  14. #14
    Chris Hogg Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:41:26 +0100, "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    <snip>
    >5) why would you eat all those antioxidant foods to help your body to
    >maintain a healthy redox potential and drink H2O2 ????
    >

    The OP is obviously keen to oxidise his LDL cholesterol and increase
    his free radicals and cancer risk.

    --

    Chris

    T2 DX'd 2002, D&E, HbA1c 5.5,BMI 21
    Lipids:Tot 4.9 HDL 1.2 LDL 3.2 Tri 0.9

    E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

  15. #15
    Loretta Eisenberg Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    bj, you used it on your dog and it may work for them as it did for yu,
    But humans, I think there is too much vodka in the mix. Live and learn
    something new every day, but I would never put it in my mouth

    Loretta


  16. #16
    Loretta Eisenberg Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    Nick, I am not understanding, are you drihnking this or putting your
    feet into this. who gave you this idea

    Loretta


  17. #17
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > >>> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.
    > >>
    > >>Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability
    > >>to drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.

    > >
    > > My 14yo is studying catalase for a science experiment atm. I'm pretty

    >
    > Horse Radish Peroxidase, the fastest enzyme in town


    I love fresh ground horseradish!

    > > confident that she could describe 2H2O2 -> 2H2O + O2 : )

    >
    > Hi Nicky,
    > just my two cents :
    > 1) technical H2O2 is stabilized by heavy metals, I would not drink
    > it..... 2) the redox potential in your body is regulated, thanks god
    > 3) the H2O2 will not end up in your blood, thanks god
    > 4) maybe the poster is confused by the fact that white blood cells use
    > H2O2 to kill bacteria, which is totally unrelated to ingesting H2O2
    > 5) why would you eat all those antioxidant foods to help your body to
    > maintain a healthy redox potential and drink H2O2 ????


    Yes. I must be very confused. Techical Grade H2O2 contains Phosphorus.

    3% Hydrogen Peroxide (Drug Store/Grocery Store Variety) Contains: phenol,
    acetanilide, sodium stanate, tetrasodium phosphate, etc.

    Mother's milk contains high amounts of hydrogen peroxide, the amount
    contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher.

    The Acidophalus Lactobaccilus in my gut, much of which I take as an oral
    supplement, produce hydrogen peroxide to stop candida yeast from
    multiplying out of control.

    I thank you all for your interest and concern.

    --
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  18. #18
    bgl Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Loretta Eisenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > bj, you used it on your dog and it may work for them as it did for yu,
    > But humans, I think there is too much vodka in the mix. Live and
    > learn something new every day, but I would never put it in my mouth
    >


    Vodka? What Vodka? How did that get in here? :-)
    bj




  19. #19
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    Chris Hogg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    > >
    > >> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    > >> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    > >
    > >Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability
    > >to drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.

    >
    > Have a look here http://www.badscience.net/2003/05/quack-tales/
    >
    > and google '"hydrogen peroxide" therapy' for more stuff on this truly
    > lunatic idea!


    Even though the first quarter moon was near the nadir at the time of my
    birth, I am undoubtedly a lunatic! <insert insane laughter>

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  20. #20
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    Chris Hogg <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > <snip>
    > >5) why would you eat all those antioxidant foods to help your body to
    > >maintain a healthy redox potential and drink H2O2 ????
    > >

    > The OP is obviously keen to oxidise his LDL cholesterol and increase
    > his free radicals and cancer risk.


    Obvious? Occult? My motivation?

    1/3/09

    HDL 90
    LDL 24
    VLDL 12
    TRIGS 61

    Next bloods end of May, if I live that long.

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  21. #21
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    [email protected] (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
    > Nick, I am not understanding, are you drihnking this or putting your
    > feet into this. who gave you this idea


    Hi Loretta,

    Thanks. I'm drinking it. I researched it extensively with Google and
    settled on the "lunatic" procedure I initially described. I'm paying great
    attention to my body's reaction to this experiment. I soak my feet for 20
    minutes daily in a hot bath of 1/4 cup of MgSO47H2O, commonly called Epsom
    salt, to one quart of water. That concentration may also be considered
    "lunatic" by some.

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  22. #22
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    [email protected] (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
    > bj, you used it on your dog and it may work for them as it did for yu,
    > But humans, I think there is too much vodka in the mix. Live and learn
    > something new every day, but I would never put it in my mouth


    Too much Vodka? LOL

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  23. #23
    terryc Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Sun, 01 Mar 2009 08:44:55 +0000, Nicky wrote:


    > My 14yo is studying catalase for a science experiment atm. I'm pretty
    > confident that she could describe 2H2O2 -> 2H2O + O2 : )


    That was my thoughts exactly.

  24. #24
    terryc Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:11:55 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:


    > Thanks. I'm drinking it. I researched it extensively with Google and
    > settled on the "lunatic" procedure I initially described. I'm paying
    > great attention to my body's reaction to this experiment.


    If it works, it works. Thinking homeopathy.
    Just practically, by the time you dilute it safe enough to drink it, then
    it gets to stomach where it has to dodge everything else that is going
    toset it off, get into blood stream, etc,

    > I soak my feet
    > for 20 minutes daily in a hot bath of 1/4 cup of MgSO4·7H2O, commonly
    > called Epsom salt, to one quart of water. That concentration may also be
    > considered "lunatic" by some.


    SWMBO does that. What is to help?


  25. #25
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:11:55 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks. I'm drinking it. I researched it extensively with Google and
    > > settled on the "lunatic" procedure I initially described. I'm paying
    > > great attention to my body's reaction to this experiment.

    >
    > If it works, it works. Thinking homeopathy.
    > Just practically, by the time you dilute it safe enough to drink it, then
    > it gets to stomach where it has to dodge everything else that is going
    > toset it off, get into blood stream, etc,
    >
    > > I soak my feet
    > > for 20 minutes daily in a hot bath of 1/4 cup of MgSO4·7H2O, commonly
    > > called Epsom salt, to one quart of water. That concentration may also
    > > be considered "lunatic" by some.

    >
    > SWMBO does that. What is to help?


    For me, it softens the skin, exfoliates some of the hard tinea pedis, and
    causes some of the substances that the skin absorbs day-to-day to be drawn
    out. The latter is important for me, as I walk around the house barefoot
    all day. Besides, it feels good! Plain salt water (around 1/2 oz/qt for
    ocean water) would probably work pretty much almost as well.

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  26. #26
    Loretta Eisenberg Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    BJ in the first paragraph of Nicks Original post, he says three ounces
    vodka and five ounces coffee, am I not reading that right

    Loretta


  27. #27
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    [email protected] (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
    > BJ in the first paragraph of Nicks Original post, he says three ounces
    > vodka and five ounces coffee, am I not reading that right


    Yes.

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  28. #28
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 02 Mar 2009 03:11:55 GMT, Nick Cramer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >[email protected] (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
    >> Nick, I am not understanding, are you drihnking this or putting your
    >> feet into this. who gave you this idea

    >
    >Hi Loretta,
    >
    >Thanks. I'm drinking it. I researched it extensively with Google and
    >settled on the "lunatic" procedure I initially described. I'm paying great
    >attention to my body's reaction to this experiment. I soak my feet for 20
    >minutes daily in a hot bath of 1/4 cup of MgSO47H2O, commonly called Epsom
    >salt, to one quart of water. That concentration may also be considered
    >"lunatic" by some.


    Don't drink that either! Not unless you have already painted your
    walls brown

  29. #29
    GysdeJongh Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Nick Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:20090301214445.282$[email protected]..
    > "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:



    > Mother's milk contains high amounts of hydrogen peroxide, the amount
    > contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher.


    Hi Nick,
    that maybe one of your misunderstandings I think.Mother's milk, like a lot
    of other bodily fluids contain macrophages.White blood cells.In this case to
    protect the baby.

    The macrophage is like an agressive little garbage truck.It has sensors to
    detect bacteria.If it sees one it will eat it. _INSIDE_ the garbage truck
    the bacteria will eventually be killed by a long list of chemical reactions
    that can be summarized by a reaction with H2O2.There is no free peroxide in
    mother's milk or in the baby's saliva.They both contain macrophages.

    You could clean the house by throwing all the garbage in stove to burn it or
    you could try to clean it by setting the house on fire....Bit of a
    difference.

    As always : keep doing what works for you of course
    Gys




  30. #30
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    Trinkwasser <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >[email protected] (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote:
    > >> Nick, I am not understanding, are you drihnking this or putting your
    > >> feet into this. who gave you this idea

    > >
    > >Hi Loretta,
    > >
    > >Thanks. I'm drinking it. I researched it extensively with Google and
    > >settled on the "lunatic" procedure I initially described. I'm paying
    > >great attention to my body's reaction to this experiment. I soak my feet
    > >for 20 minutes daily in a hot bath of 1/4 cup of MgSO47H2O, commonly
    > >called Epsom salt, to one quart of water. That concentration may also be
    > >considered "lunatic" by some.

    >
    > Don't drink that either! Not unless you have already painted your
    > walls brown


    That's also about four times the recommended quantity to drinkand at twice
    the recommended concentration. I eat enough hot chiles that I don't need
    it!

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  31. #31
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Nick Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> > terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> >>On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:

    >
    > > Mother's milk contains high amounts of hydrogen peroxide, the amount
    > > contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher.

    >
    > Hi Nick,
    > that maybe one of your misunderstandings I think.Mother's milk, like a
    > lot of other bodily fluids contain macrophages.White blood cells.In this
    > case to protect the baby.
    >
    > The macrophage is like an agressive little garbage truck.It has sensors
    > to detect bacteria.If it sees one it will eat it. _INSIDE_ the garbage
    > truck the bacteria will eventually be killed by a long list of chemical
    > reactions that can be summarized by a reaction with H2O2.There is no free
    > peroxide in mother's milk or in the baby's saliva.They both contain
    > macrophages.
    >
    > You could clean the house by throwing all the garbage in stove to burn it
    > or you could try to clean it by setting the house on fire....Bit of a
    > difference.
    >
    > As always : keep doing what works for you of course


    Thanks, Gys. Actually, I came across that bit of info well after I had
    started the H2O2 therapy.

    BTW The current Material Safety Data Sheet for 3% H2O2 may be found at:

    http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/h4070.htm

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  32. #32
    GysdeJongh Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Nick Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:20090302233717.469$[email protected]..


    > Thanks, Gys. Actually, I came across that bit of info well after I had
    > started the H2O2 therapy.
    >
    > BTW The current Material Safety Data Sheet for 3% H2O2 may be found at:
    >
    > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/h4070.htm


    Yep, JTBaker the firm that sells fine chemicals for laboratory use.They sell
    the highest concentration that is physical possible to make.So maybe it is a
    bit unhealthy to swallow it ... ) A lot of tooth pastes contain some
    peroxide, so you won't die from swallow it obviously.

    If there was a June around here cooking for me I would not dream of buying
    my meals from a chemical firm though <gggggg>
    Gys



  33. #33
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Nick Cramer" <[email protected]> wrote in message


    > > Thanks, Gys. Actually, I came across that bit of info well after I had
    > > started the H2O2 therapy.
    > >
    > > BTW The current Material Safety Data Sheet for 3% H2O2 may be found at:
    > >
    > > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/h4070.htm

    >
    > Yep, JTBaker the firm that sells fine chemicals for laboratory use.They
    > sell the highest concentration that is physical possible to make.So maybe
    > it is a bit unhealthy to swallow it ... ) A lot of tooth pastes contain
    > some peroxide, so you won't die from swallow it obviously.


    My tooth powder is 1 lb Na(CO3)2, 4 Oz NaCl and 2 Oz NaCO3 (the latter from
    a swimming pool dealer). I dilute it with enough 3% H2O2 to make a slurry
    on a per use basis.

    > If there was a June around here cooking for me I would not dream of
    > buying my meals from a chemical firm though <gggggg>


    Heh heh. I add 1/2 teaspoon of 3% H2O2 to 8 Oz of beverage. Hardly a meal!

    Thanks, Gys.

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  34. #34
    ellerby Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 28 Feb 2009 03:21:57 GMT in alt.support.diabetes Nick Cramer
    <[email protected]> posted:

    > [email protected] (Harold Groot) wrote:
    >> Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>I started today. 1/2 tsp 3% H2O2 to 8 oz. water. Well, actually, in 3
    >>>oz. Vodka and 5 oz. coffee, with 1 packet of Splenda. Up to 12 times a
    >>>day.
    >>>
    >>>I've had persistent tinea pedis on the soles of me feet, which I've been
    >>>treating with Econazole. Also have cellulitis in left lower leg, which
    >>>I'd been treating with oral Augmentin.
    >>>
    >>>I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >>>bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.

    >
    >> Nick - Did you get Food Grade H2O2? The standard H2O2 sold in
    >> drugstores and supermarkets is NOT food grade and is NOT meant to be
    >> taken internally. The stuff in the other 97% is bad for you if
    >> swallowed. If that's what you're using, stop immediately.

    >
    > Thanks, Harold. It is not Food Grade. The 97% is listed as purified water,
    > so I'll take my chances. If I stop posting, you'll know I died.


    Ah, yeah, G'day,

    We have a tradition in my family that if one does, or intends doing,
    anything "iffy" s/he says "Tell the coroner that I ate/did/tried ... ".

    If one thinks another is doing something "iffy" we ask
    "Anything you want passed on to the coroner?"

    I'm not sure if "pass on" is a vital part of any question. {;-)}
    >
    >> Even if YOU got the correct stuff, I would suggest that you always
    >> MENTION that you are using Food Grade H2O2. Someone else reading your
    >> posts might not be aware of the difference and might poison themselves
    >> if they tried to copy you using the regular stuff.

    >
    > I report what I do. I don't suggest to anyone that they copy me. I would
    > hope that people research any course of action before engaging in it, as
    > did I.
    >
    > Caveat phagor!


    Lindsay in OZ
    M, 56, Non diabetic but familiarly involved
    So I lurk, don't post often - usually in non medical threads.

    "It is in the shelter of each other that people live."
    Irish Proverb

  35. #35
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    ellerby <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Nick Cramer <[email protected]> posted:
    > [ . . . ]
    > > Caveat phagor!

    >
    > Lindsay in OZ


    G'day, Lindsay,

    I'll try not to crepitate during the autopsy! LMAO

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  36. #36
    terryc Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:30:14 +0100, GysdeJongh wrote:


    > Yep, JTBaker the firm that sells fine chemicals for laboratory use.They
    > sell the highest concentration that is physical possible to make.


    AFAIK, that is 100% H2O2 as that is what was used as fuel in torpedo,
    until they decided that marvellous fuel that it was, it was just too
    risky. Aparently chucking a bit of rusted steel into H2o2 is a pretty
    exothermic event, aka the Korsk (sp?) russia nuclear submarine disaster.




  37. #37
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 04 Mar 2009 04:01:37 GMT, terryc <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:30:14 +0100, GysdeJongh wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Yep, JTBaker the firm that sells fine chemicals for laboratory use.They
    >> sell the highest concentration that is physical possible to make.

    >
    >AFAIK, that is 100% H2O2 as that is what was used as fuel in torpedo,
    >until they decided that marvellous fuel that it was, it was just too
    >risky. Aparently chucking a bit of rusted steel into H2o2 is a pretty
    >exothermic event, aka the Korsk (sp?) russia nuclear submarine disaster.
    >
    >

    Buy that and you may be visited by the guys with the Black Helicopters
    soon after

  38. #38
    Will, T2 Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On 02 Mar 2009 02:44:42 GMT, Nick Cramer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >"GysdeJongh" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Nicky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:48:17 +0000, Nick Cramer wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>> I'm taking the H2O2 to help purge my blood and system of fungii and
    >> >>> bacteria. Other beneficial effects in dilute doses.
    >> >>
    >> >>Could you explain how that works please? I'm fascinated by the ability
    >> >>to drink h202 and have it end up in the blood stream.
    >> >
    >> > My 14yo is studying catalase for a science experiment atm. I'm pretty

    >>
    >> Horse Radish Peroxidase, the fastest enzyme in town

    >
    >I love fresh ground horseradish!
    >
    >> > confident that she could describe 2H2O2 -> 2H2O + O2 : )

    >>
    >> Hi Nicky,
    >> just my two cents :
    >> 1) technical H2O2 is stabilized by heavy metals, I would not drink
    >> it..... 2) the redox potential in your body is regulated, thanks god
    >> 3) the H2O2 will not end up in your blood, thanks god
    >> 4) maybe the poster is confused by the fact that white blood cells use
    >> H2O2 to kill bacteria, which is totally unrelated to ingesting H2O2
    >> 5) why would you eat all those antioxidant foods to help your body to
    >> maintain a healthy redox potential and drink H2O2 ????

    >
    >Yes. I must be very confused. Techical Grade H2O2 contains Phosphorus.
    >
    >3% Hydrogen Peroxide (Drug Store/Grocery Store Variety) Contains: phenol,
    >acetanilide, sodium stanate, tetrasodium phosphate, etc.
    >
    >Mother's milk contains high amounts of hydrogen peroxide, the amount
    >contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher.
    >
    >The Acidophalus Lactobaccilus in my gut, much of which I take as an oral
    >supplement, produce hydrogen peroxide to stop candida yeast from
    >multiplying out of control.
    >
    >I thank you all for your interest and concern.


    Sounds like you have investigated this rather thoroughly, Nick. I wish
    you well in your experiment. I found that H2O2 did seem to help a bit
    a couple of years ago, when I was suffering from a persistent fungus
    on my ankle... I tried everything I could think of... even bleach and
    gasoline!

    In the end, a kind of extra strength anti-fungal cream from my doc did
    the trick.

    Will, T2

  39. #39
    terryc Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:17:31 +0000, Trinkwasser wrote:


    > Buy that and you may be visited by the guys with the Black Helicopters
    > soon after


    You can not even buy fertiliser without providing ID now. Unless you want
    to lug it home in 1lb packs from the supermarket (well almost).


  40. #40
    Nick Cramer Guest

    Default Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy.

    "Will, T2" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Nick Cramer <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > [ . . . ]
    > >I thank you all for your interest and concern.

    >
    > Sounds like you have investigated this rather thoroughly, Nick. I wish
    > you well in your experiment. I found that H2O2 did seem to help a bit
    > a couple of years ago, when I was suffering from a persistent fungus
    > on my ankle... I tried everything I could think of... even bleach and
    > gasoline!
    >
    > In the end, a kind of extra strength anti-fungal cream from my doc did
    > the trick.


    Thanks, Will. As I said, I've been approaching this cautiously. Thus far,
    I've noticed no results, positive or negative. I'll see if anything shows
    up in my next lab tests.

    Tinea pedis is so insidious. Three months of walking barefoot in the
    mountains of Thailand, in 2004, resulted in a severe case of 'jungle rot'.
    The soles of both feet were completely covered with about 1/4 inch of
    fungus. 4-1/2 months of oral Lamasil cured it. Now, five years later, I
    have a small patch of it on one heel, which I'm treating topically with
    Econazol. It's slowly going away.

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