Kind of an Emergency!

[Cougar]

Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since. They
said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums for
infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they gave me
prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and BG
was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a low,
I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79. Now, I
know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under 100
I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew with
crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had experience
with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because the
last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me out,
and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went from
62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in March,
that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so strange
under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental stuff
would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I seek
help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain made
it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life. Can
pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the moment
to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling at
all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
Thanks,
Suggestions?
Kris

[Julie Bove]

"Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since. They
> said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums for
> infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they gave
> me
> prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
> After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and BG
> was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a
> low,
> I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79. Now,
> I
> know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under
> 100
> I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew with
> crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had
> experience
> with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because the
> last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me
> out,
> and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went
> from
> 62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in
> March,
> that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so
> strange
> under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
> real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental
> stuff
> would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
> averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I seek
> help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain
> made
> it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life.
> Can
> pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the
> moment
> to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling
> at
> all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
> Thanks,
> Suggestions?

If you are not on insulin or diabetes lowering drugs, you do not need to
seek help. At 79, you could be having an actual hypo. Meters are not 100%
accurate. I treat for hypo at 80 or at 100 if I am going to be active
because my BG can plummet quickly. So eat 15 g of carbs and rest for 10
minutes. If your BG is not up to where you want it to be, or >100, then
repeat.

Pain does not usually cause a low. If anything it would cause a high. It's
possible your BG did spike while you were in the dental chair and then due
to the absence of pain, it then dropped. Hard to say though.

[Julie Bove]

"Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> p.s. On Metformin 500mg
> Januvia 100mg

I know little of Januvia and in fact didn't get mine today. It's so new
they had only one bottle. I have to wait till noon tomorrow to get it.
From what I've read about it, it says it works when you eat and will not
cause a low. Neither will Metformin, but that doesn't mean you won't get a
low while on them. Every diabetic should be prepared to know what to do
during a hypo because they can happen.

[Cougar]

Thanks Julie. Was told the Metformin 500mg and Januvia 100mg shouldn't
cause a "low", so don't know why I'm having these low readings, especially
after eating. I'm doing the 15 in 15 right now...probably more panic than
anything, but still so new to all this stuff.
Kris

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:wh_gi.15540$oo5.4084@trndny09...
>
> "Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> > Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since.
They
> > said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums
for
> > infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they
gave
> > me
> > prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
> > After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and
BG
> > was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a
> > low,
> > I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79.
Now,
> > I
> > know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under
> > 100
> > I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew
with
> > crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had
> > experience
> > with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because
the
> > last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me
> > out,
> > and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went
> > from
> > 62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in
> > March,
> > that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so
> > strange
> > under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
> > real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental
> > stuff
> > would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
> > averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I
seek
> > help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain
> > made
> > it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life.
> > Can
> > pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the
> > moment
> > to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling
> > at
> > all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
> > Thanks,
> > Suggestions?
>
> If you are not on insulin or diabetes lowering drugs, you do not need to
> seek help. At 79, you could be having an actual hypo. Meters are not
100%
> accurate. I treat for hypo at 80 or at 100 if I am going to be active
> because my BG can plummet quickly. So eat 15 g of carbs and rest for 10
> minutes. If your BG is not up to where you want it to be, or >100, then
> repeat.
>
> Pain does not usually cause a low. If anything it would cause a high.
It's
> possible your BG did spike while you were in the dental chair and then due
> to the absence of pain, it then dropped. Hard to say though.
>
>

[Alan S]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:28:36 -0500, "Cougar"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since. They
>said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums for
>infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they gave me
>prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
>After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and BG
>was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a low,
>I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79. Now, I
>know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under 100
>I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew with
>crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had experience
>with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because the
>last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me out,
>and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went from
>62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in March,
>that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so strange
>under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
>real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental stuff
>would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
>averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I seek
>help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain made
>it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life. Can
>pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the moment
>to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling at
>all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
>Thanks,
>Suggestions?
>Kris
>
You're having a panic attack about the possibility of having
a panic attack?

Step back, relax, and start thinking logically. Your
periodontal disease (and if they didn't tell you that's what
you've got - ask them) has been treated. It has been a
factor in your elevated BG's for a long time and now you've
reduced the infection and you are getting the GOOD results.

Read a couple of links. First, one I wrote myself:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html
and then
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/res...ryarticle=4895

The reason you feel "weird" is that you have been too high
for too long. It will take a little time for your body to
adjust to the new, safer, levels and you may need to carry
some jelly beans or similar with you for a little while in
case of a low - but that's far better than staying up where
you were.

Of course, that's all just my opinion. Ask your doctor if
you feel I'm incorrect.

Congratulations on your new numbers; make sure you see your
periodontist or hygienist for a repeat performance on a
regular basis three or four times a year. The good news is
that not only does improving your teeth/gums health improve
your BG's, the reverse is also true. Improved BG's can lead
to reduced periodontal damage.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Kuranda Skyrail near Cairns
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Ki Si Ming

[Alan S]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Julie Bove"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>At 79, you could be having an actual hypo.

Julie, with all due respect, no she couldn't.

For you, who knows, but for the rest of the world that
simply isn't true.

In mmol/L terms that's 4.4; I see that regularly with no ill
effects whatever - but I did get symptoms of lows at that
level back when I was first diagnosed, because I was running
much higher then.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Kuranda Skyrail near Cairns
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Ki Si Ming

[Julie Bove]

"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>At 79, you could be having an actual hypo.
>
> Julie, with all due respect, no she couldn't.
>
> For you, who knows, but for the rest of the world that
> simply isn't true.
>
> In mmol/L terms that's 4.4; I see that regularly with no ill
> effects whatever - but I did get symptoms of lows at that
> level back when I was first diagnosed, because I was running
> much higher then.

I suppose it depends on what source you use but I've seen 65 to 75 listed as
the numbers to be used for hypos. So yes, at 79, that could be. Just
because you have no ill effects at a certain number doesn't mean you aren't
having a hypo. I've been walking around at 29 and have fainted in the 60's.
I know we are all different but I hardly think I am alone in this.

And keep in mind just because someone isn't "feeling" the symptoms doesn't
mean it's not a hypo. There have been many times when people around me told
me to check my blood sugar because I wasn't acting normally. Sure enough it
was low. And I didn't always want to do as I was told. There have been
times when I've had hypos and have refused to eat food because I wasn't
thinking straight.

Also, a person might not be having an actual hypo, but they could be feeling
unwell. Unwell enough that they might faint. What should they do? Just
lay there in a pool of cold sweat until they come to? Wouldn't it be better
for them to eat a little bit of something so they *don't* faint? I am just
surmising this. Not sure if anyone actually has this problem but I have
read about it.

Perhaps I don't fit what seems to be the typical pattern of having high BG,
feeling good with high BG and then having to get used to normal numbers.
AFAIK, for most of my life I didn't *have* normal numbers. I had reactive
hypoglycemia for about the first half of my life and spent my time trying
not to have a hypo.

Then I went into a period of a few years where I wasn't having the hypos any
more and I could finally skip a meal without feeling unwell. This may well
have been the start of the diabetes. I may have had high numbers. I don't
know. I guess I never will.

Then I was diagnosed with diabetes in the ER and given Glucotrol XL. That
combined with the Beta Blocker I was taking at the time kept plunging me
into hypos. I was taken off those meds and things seemed better for a
while. Until the thyroid went wacky. More hypos.

Many diabetics have other medical problems aside from diabetes and those
things can cause us trouble.

[Cougar]

I am finally feeling better. Spent the last 3 hours working with eating a
little and testing...resting and testing...eating and testing. Didn't go
lower than 72 this time, however, I FELT STRANGE...bad! I appreciate all
the shares. I know I was scared, which didn't help. My BG is now 126, and
I feel normal for the first time since that dental procedure. I don't know,
it just didn't set well with me. I don't know if my body was in shock or
what, but even after eating a bunch of carbs...even most of a regular can of
coke...I only am at 126 (and I ate ALOT). So...I am just going to have to
work with what I have learned and try to learn more.
Thanks everybody,
Kris

> Many diabetics have other medical problems aside from diabetes and those
> things can cause us trouble.
>
>

[johnniemccoy@]

"Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>I am finally feeling better. Spent the last 3 hours working with eating a
> little and testing...resting and testing...eating and testing. Didn't go
> lower than 72 this time, however, I FELT STRANGE...bad! I appreciate all
> the shares. I know I was scared, which didn't help. My BG is now 126,
> and
> I feel normal for the first time since that dental procedure. I don't
> know,
> it just didn't set well with me. I don't know if my body was in shock or
> what, but even after eating a bunch of carbs...even most of a regular can
> of
> coke...I only am at 126 (and I ate ALOT). So...I am just going to have to
> work with what I have learned and try to learn more.
> Thanks everybody,
> Kris
>
Kris, do you eat regular meals? On my days off, when I'm not on a schedule,
I sometimes forget to eat till very late. Occasionally, when I do that, my
bg falls down into the 70's (normally in the high 80's or 90's) and I feel a
little dull till I remember to eat.

John

[Julie Bove]

"Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>I am finally feeling better. Spent the last 3 hours working with eating a
> little and testing...resting and testing...eating and testing. Didn't go
> lower than 72 this time, however, I FELT STRANGE...bad! I appreciate all
> the shares. I know I was scared, which didn't help. My BG is now 126,
> and
> I feel normal for the first time since that dental procedure. I don't
> know,
> it just didn't set well with me. I don't know if my body was in shock or
> what, but even after eating a bunch of carbs...even most of a regular can
> of
> coke...I only am at 126 (and I ate ALOT). So...I am just going to have to
> work with what I have learned and try to learn more.

I can't remember, but... Do you perchance have a thyroid problem? When my
thyroid was out of whack I had terrible trouble keeping my BG up in normal
range.

[Cougar]

John,
Yes, I eat very frequently, and healthy at that - that's why I don't get
it...
Kris

Kris, do you eat regular meals? On my days off, when I'm not on a schedule,
I sometimes forget to eat till very late. Occasionally, when I do that, my
bg falls down into the 70's (normally in the high 80's or 90's) and I feel a
little dull till I remember to eat.

John

[Cougar]

Thought doc ran that test, but see her next week and will be asking for
sure! Have had TSH test several times, and always "was" ok, but who
knows...afterall, all my fasting BG tests always came back normal until I
lost my vision in February and found out I was T2 and A1c came back
12.6...probably why I am paranoid today...all that business was very
strange...not even knowing with A1c that high and normal labs...geeze!
Thanks,
Kris

"I can't remember, but... Do you perchance have a thyroid problem? When my
thyroid was out of whack I had terrible trouble keeping my BG up in normal
range."

[Loretta Eisenberg]

Kris, the range you like to be in is a bit too high. Average could be
80 to 120 or 70 to 110. I feel low at 70. I prefer to be 80 to 120

Your body is probably adjusting to the better control you have. If you
feel bad, you should discuss it with your doctor. After being in the
300s , a number in the 70s could feel like a low. It takes time to get
used to it.

Loretta

[Help! My igloo's on FIRE!]

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Cougar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since. They
>> said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums for
>> infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they gave
>> me
>> prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
>> After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and BG
>> was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a
>> low,
>> I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79. Now,
>> I
>> know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under
>> 100
>> I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew with
>> crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had
>> experience
>> with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because the
>> last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me
>> out,
>> and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went
>> from
>> 62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in
>> March,
>> that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so
>> strange
>> under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
>> real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental
>> stuff
>> would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
>> averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I seek
>> help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain
>> made
>> it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life.
>> Can
>> pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the
>> moment
>> to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling
>> at
>> all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
>> Thanks,
>> Suggestions?
>
> If you are not on insulin or diabetes lowering drugs, you do not need to
> seek help. At 79, you could be having an actual hypo. Meters are not 100%
> accurate. I treat for hypo at 80 or at 100 if I am going to be active
> because my BG can plummet quickly. So eat 15 g of carbs and rest for 10
> minutes. If your BG is not up to where you want it to be, or >100, then
> repeat.
>
> Pain does not usually cause a low. If anything it would cause a high. It's
> possible your BG did spike while you were in the dental chair and then due
> to the absence of pain, it then dropped. Hard to say though.
>
>


I'd hardly consider 79 hypo Julie, that's about my "ideal" area, where I
aim to be with low carb eating plus careful morning and night exercise.
That is in the normal non-diabetic range - where most of my family and
friends are if we ever get curious and test them. I get really stressed
when I am receiving treatment for another condition that prevents me
getting around that area.

I expect that it more of adjustment to getting back to where she should be,
it probably feels a bit weird at first.


David - (Eskimo Joe)

[Rambler 51]

Julie Bove Posted:

>>From what I've read about it, it says it works when you eat and will not
>>cause a low. Neither will Metformin, but that doesn't mean you won't get >>a low while on them.

I too have heard that Metformin will not cause a low, but I used to
get them a couple times a week when on three tabs of Metformin plus
Byetta10. My doctor was perplexed and so shifted me to insulin
(Lantus 80 units) plus Starlix 120, and Byetta 10. But this keeps me
less well controlled unless I reduce my food intake to a weight loss
level of calories. (1,500-1,600)

My Question: What is it that could be causing a hypo when on
Metformin and Byetta? In every case the hypo was occuring in late
afternoon. Shouldn't the liver be able to release enough glucose to
prevent the hypo?

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

Rambler 51 wrote:

> My Question: What is it that could be causing a hypo when on
> Metformin and Byetta? In every case the hypo was occuring in late
> afternoon. Shouldn't the liver be able to release enough glucose to
> prevent the hypo?
>

Recent research posted here indicates that quite a few DMs have adrenal
abnormalities. Metformin pushed me into severe adrenal suppression
symptoms, even with high cortisol, due to the effect insulin has of
reducing the globulin that delivers cortisol to our cells.

When adrenally suppressed, I experience much lower than expected bg.

I don't know if that's your problem or not.

Susan

[Priscilla H. Ballou]

In article <[email protected]>,
Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >At 79, you could be having an actual hypo.
>
> Julie, with all due respect, no she couldn't.
>
> For you, who knows, but for the rest of the world that
> simply isn't true.
>
> In mmol/L terms that's 4.4; I see that regularly with no ill
> effects whatever - but I did get symptoms of lows at that
> level back when I was first diagnosed, because I was running
> much higher then.

For me, it's a number that says, "It's ok to eat if you want to" not
"Eat something now!"

Priscilla

[Priscilla H. Ballou]

In article <oD%gi.14084$XH5.9472@trndny02>,
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I suppose it depends on what source you use but I've seen 65 to 75 listed as
> the numbers to be used for hypos.

I'd question that source. Under 60, OK that sounds more like it's
actually moving towards hypo territory, but 65-75 is just low, not hypo.

Priscilla

[rk]

Anything UNDER 70mg/dL *IS* a hypo, whether you feel it or not and
is recommended to treat as a hypo. For me, my doctor puts a hypo at
anything under 55 I should treat. YMMV.

--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper
"Priscilla H. Ballou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> In article <oD%gi.14084$XH5.9472@trndny02>,
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I suppose it depends on what source you use but I've seen 65 to 75
>> listed as
>> the numbers to be used for hypos.
>
> I'd question that source. Under 60, OK that sounds more like it's
> actually moving towards hypo territory, but 65-75 is just low, not hypo.
>
> Priscilla

[Loretta Eisenberg]

Help, I believe it is the Starlix. I was on amaryl which is a
sulphurwhatever drug and the doctor took me off that and just kept me on
the byetta and metformin.

I dont remember if Starlix is a sulph

Loretta

[W. Baker]

Loretta Eisenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
: Help, I believe it is the Starlix. I was on amaryl which is a
: sulphurwhatever drug and the doctor took me off that and just kept me on
: the byetta and metformin.

: I dont remember if Starlix is a sulph

: Loretta

It is not a sulph, but it acts liek a sort acting one. It pushed
the beta cells to make more insulin but only for a short period of time,
unike the sulphs, which are long lasting. As a result it pushes less adn
doesn't get you hungry with low bgs between meals as the insulin keeps
coming with the sulphs. You take Staarlix with or a little before a meal
adn it works to deal with that meal, bu tnot the whole morning, afternoon
or evening.

Wendy

[dumb_fishie99]

On Jun 28, 7:28 pm, "Cougar" <cougar_rocklighten...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Question: Had dental work done earlier. BG keeps going down since. They
> said should not affect my diabetes. It was detail cleaning under gums for
> infection (not been to dentist in long time). Very painful and they gave me
> prescription rinse to use. They did MAJOR scraping deep under the gums.
> After eating tonight, BG was 96. Felt weird a couple of hours ago and BG
> was 89(forearm). Since I still felt weird, and thinking it might be a low,
> I tested out of my finger about 5 minutes later. Finger BG was 79. Now, I
> know some of you think that is perfect number, however, when I go under 100
> I feel bad. In fact, I feel best about 125. Especially eating stew with
> crackers, I wouldn't think my BG should be dropping. Anybody had experience
> with major dental stuff and diabetes? Now, I am having panic because the
> last time my BG dipped in the 60's, I felt very weak and it freaked me out,
> and I had a panic attack. I treated with the 15 in 15 thing, and went from
> 62 to like 129, so it was all ok. I know since being in the 300s in March,
> that my body is still adjusting. That might be some of why I feel so strange
> under 100, however, I get scared really easily because this is all still
> real new to me with these high and low spikes. I was told the dental stuff
> would not affect me, and I am not on "hypo" lowering meds. I have been
> averaging like 110-140 for the last couple of months. When should I seek
> help tonight if it keeps going lower tonight? I think that trauma/pain made
> it go lower because I have never had any major dental work in my life. Can
> pain cause a low? I am sipping on real coke just a bit right at the moment
> to pull up to maybe 100 at least because I don't like this weird feeling at
> all, and I don't want to be dramatic, but it is still very scary to me.
> Thanks,
> Suggestions?
> Kris

I'd like to know: what does deep cleaning involve? I heard
that it usually involves two visits, is that right?

I just supposedly had one, and paid extra for it, but I don't
think he did much scraping under the gums. Bogus doctor.

[[email protected]]

The first time I went low after I started on insulin, I got pretty
panicky too. I was testing every 5-10 minutes for over an hour... and
just panicky as heck that it didn't go up again as fast as I thought
it should.

But... I know what to do now. I use Sweetarts to treat lows, cause
they're a lot more pleasant than that nasty glucose gel, and they are
mostly glucose so still going to raise me relatively quickly. They're
also smaller than 15g, so I can be more precise. Way cheaper than the
gel also. And while they are "good" in comparison to the gel, they
aren't like a favorite food or anything so there's no temptation for
me in having them around.

How much glucose you need to raise your bg depends partially on body
weight. I have verified that each Sweetart raises me about 2.5 mg/
dL. So... if I want to raise my bg from 75 to 85, I know to eat 4 of
them (generally speaking, there's also the effect of how much insulin
of which insulin I took how long ago).

I treat if I'm under 80 as my current goal for bg is 80-120. I plan
to revise that to 80-100 over the next few weeks as I learn more.

Knowing exactly how many Sweetarts to take and exactly how much they
raise me has let me avoid the panic. A while back, I vomited up after
taking my insulin... I just tested every hour and corrected with
Sweetarts as needed. No panic at all! It's just very
straightforward.

If you feel best at 120, you should probably aim at 100-120 or so for
the time being. If your bg has been high for a while, being normal
can feel like a hypo. Over time, you can revise that downwards; if
you do it gradually, you're less likely to feel bad.

[Nicky]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:03:15 -0700, dumb_fishie99
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'd like to know: what does deep cleaning involve? I heard
>that it usually involves two visits, is that right?
>
>I just supposedly had one, and paid extra for it, but I don't
>think he did much scraping under the gums. Bogus doctor.

If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...peri/treat.jsp

Nicky.

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:30 +0100, Nicky <[email protected]>
wrote:


>
>If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
>pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
>Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
>sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
>http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...peri/treat.jsp
>
>Nicky.

I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
gentle" dentist.

So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
stand it!

*And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
over and over again. ugh.

I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
probably cost more.

[Alan S]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:40:39 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:30 +0100, Nicky <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
>>pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
>>Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
>>sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
>>http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...peri/treat.jsp
>>
>>Nicky.
>
>I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
>is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
>gentle" dentist.
>
>So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
>to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
>for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
>use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
>to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
>stand it!
>
>*And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
>Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
>over and over again. ugh.
>
>I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
>probably cost more.
>
>

If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
treatment.

If your condition doesn't warrant full cleaning and
treatment by the podiatrist there will be dental hygienists
available via the podiatrist for regular full cleaning. As
mine improved I gradually changed from four visits a year to
the podiatrist to an annual clean by him and two others by
his hygienist.

While thinking about that, read this again:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html

Yeah, I know, I'm an alarmist.

BTW, instead of movies, my podiatrist has posters of idyllic
green rainforest scenes on his ceiling and plays classical
CD's while he works.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

[Alice Faber]

In article <[email protected]>,
Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:40:39 -0700, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:30 +0100, Nicky <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
> >>pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
> >>Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
> >>sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
> >>http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...sform.jsp?requ
> >>estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/enth/peri/treat.jsp
> >>
> >>Nicky.
> >
> >I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
> >is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
> >gentle" dentist.
> >
> >So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
> >to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
> >for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
> >use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
> >to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
> >stand it!
> >
> >*And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
> >Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
> >over and over again. ugh.
> >
> >I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
> >probably cost more.
> >
> >
>
> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
> treatment.

Periodontist, surely. (And what a whacky spell-checker you have!)

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

[MI]

On 7/12/07 3:57 PM, in article [email protected],
"Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:40:39 -0700, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:30 +0100, Nicky <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
>>> pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
>>> Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
>>> sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
>>> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...sform.jsp?requ
>>> estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/enth/peri/treat.jsp
>>>
>>> Nicky.
>>
>> I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
>> is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
>> gentle" dentist.
>>
>> So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
>> to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
>> for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
>> use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
>> to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
>> stand it!
>>
>> *And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
>> Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
>> over and over again. ugh.
>>
>> I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
>> probably cost more.
>>
>>
>
> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
> treatment.
>
> If your condition doesn't warrant full cleaning and
> treatment by the podiatrist there will be dental hygienists
> available via the podiatrist for regular full cleaning. As
> mine improved I gradually changed from four visits a year to
> the podiatrist to an annual clean by him and two others by
> his hygienist.
>
> While thinking about that, read this again:
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html
>
> Yeah, I know, I'm an alarmist.
>
> BTW, instead of movies, my podiatrist has posters of idyllic
> green rainforest scenes on his ceiling and plays classical
> CD's while he works.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Alan, I'm confused. In Australia certain dentists are called podiatrists?
Here a podiatrist is someone who looks after your feet.

Martha T2 Canada
> --
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

[DonnaB shallotpeel]

In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:57:22 +1000 in Msg.#
<[email protected]>, Alan S
<[email protected]> wrote:

> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
> treatment.

Periodontist, you mean?

> If your condition doesn't warrant full cleaning and
> treatment by the podiatrist there will be dental hygienists
> available via the podiatrist for regular full cleaning. As
> mine improved I gradually changed from four visits a year to
> the podiatrist to an annual clean by him and two others by
> his hygienist.
>
> While thinking about that, read this again:
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html
>
> Yeah, I know, I'm an alarmist.
>
> BTW, instead of movies, my podiatrist has posters of idyllic
> green rainforest scenes on his ceiling and plays classical
> CD's while he works.

--
DonnaB just saw SICKO and HP:Order of the Phoenix. Just read DUNE:HOUSE
CORRINO. Just began EATING IN THE LIGHT OF THE MOON.

"Compassion and revenge are two sides of the same coin. Necessity dictates
which way that coin falls." - Duke Paulus Atreides, DUNE: HOUSE CORRINO,
Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson [2001]

[Frank t2]

"MI" <quilchenapark@[email protected]> a écrit ...
>
>
> "Alan S" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:40:39 -0700, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
>>>> pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
>>>> Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
>>>> sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
>>>> http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...sform.jsp?requ
>>>> estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/enth/peri/treat.jsp
>>>>
>>>> Nicky.
>>>
>>> I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
>>> is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
>>> gentle" dentist.
>>>
>>> So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
>>> to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
>>> for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
>>> use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
>>> to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
>>> stand it!
>>>
>>> *And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
>>> Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
>>> over and over again. ugh.
>>>
>>> I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
>>> probably cost more.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
>> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
>> treatment.
>>
>> If your condition doesn't warrant full cleaning and
>> treatment by the podiatrist there will be dental hygienists
>> available via the podiatrist for regular full cleaning. As
>> mine improved I gradually changed from four visits a year to
>> the podiatrist to an annual clean by him and two others by
>> his hygienist.
>>
>> While thinking about that, read this again:
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html
>>
>> Yeah, I know, I'm an alarmist.
>>
>> BTW, instead of movies, my podiatrist has posters of idyllic
>> green rainforest scenes on his ceiling and plays classical
>> CD's while he works.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>
> Alan, I'm confused. In Australia certain dentists are called podiatrists?
> Here a podiatrist is someone who looks after your feet.



Then what do you call a pediatrician ?

Tony ? ... Jim ?

[[email protected]]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:07:53 -0400, Alice Faber <[email protected]>
wrote:


>> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
>> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
>> treatment.
>
>Periodontist, surely. (And what a whacky spell-checker you have!)

maybe that was a referene to foot-and-mouth disease?


Periodontist, huh? well I'll put that on my list of health things
to take care of. my teeth are very sensitive because I've
been brushing too hard and wearing down the enamel.
He didn't say I've got any gum disease though.

My teeth feel a lot better now. It was just an awful experience.
I guess the nice and gentle denstist is worth the money!

[Alan S]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:07:53 -0400, Alice Faber
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Alan S <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:40:39 -0700, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:55:30 +0100, Nicky <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>If you'd had it, you'd know about it. Unless you had very shallow
>> >>pockets... Closest I've ever been to assaulting a health professional.
>> >>Luckily one treatment - or more likely getting bg under control - has
>> >>sorted the problem for me, cos I'm not going back.
>> >>http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...sform.jsp?requ
>> >>estURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/enth/peri/treat.jsp
>> >>
>> >>Nicky.
>> >
>> >I figure he just wanted to charge me more to really do it right, which
>> >is sorta ok because it was still cheaper than going to the "nice &
>> >gentle" dentist.
>> >
>> >So I ended up with the rough and ready dentist. Man! They had
>> >to give me four novocaine shots which pretty much did it for me
>> >for the whole day. *And* those newfangled digital gismos they
>> >use to xray your teeth make me gag. They should be able to
>> >to do it the old fashioned way with paper ones if a patient can't
>> >stand it!
>> >
>> >*And* I had to watch a Sarah Brighton concert to top it all off.
>> >Waving her arms about singing "you are beautiful yes you are"
>> >over and over again. ugh.
>> >
>> >I think now I have to look for a more honest dentist which will
>> >probably cost more.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
>> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
>> treatment.
>
>Periodontist, surely. (And what a whacky spell-checker you have!)

Aaarghhh! Of course periodontist!!

Foot-in-mouth disease?


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

[Alan S]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:54:21 -0400, DonnaB shallotpeel
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:57:22 +1000 in Msg.#
><[email protected]>, Alan S
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
>> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
>> treatment.
>
>Periodontist, you mean?

Yeah, goofed, trying to read and answer 300+ messages in a
hurry:-)
>
>> If your condition doesn't warrant full cleaning and
>> treatment by the podiatrist there will be dental hygienists
>> available via the podiatrist for regular full cleaning. As
>> mine improved I gradually changed from four visits a year to
>> the podiatrist to an annual clean by him and two others by
>> his hygienist.
>>
>> While thinking about that, read this again:
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...and-death.html
>>
>> Yeah, I know, I'm an alarmist.
>>
>> BTW, instead of movies, my podiatrist has posters of idyllic
>> green rainforest scenes on his ceiling and plays classical
>> CD's while he works.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

[Alan S]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:11:21 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:07:53 -0400, Alice Faber <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>> If you needed novocaine for a clean then I would suspect you
>>> need to see a podiatrist for a proper analysis and
>>> treatment.
>>
>>Periodontist, surely. (And what a whacky spell-checker you have!)
>
>maybe that was a referene to foot-and-mouth disease?
>
I should have read this first:-)

>
>Periodontist, huh? well I'll put that on my list of health things
>to take care of. my teeth are very sensitive because I've
>been brushing too hard and wearing down the enamel.
>He didn't say I've got any gum disease though.
>
>My teeth feel a lot better now. It was just an awful experience.
>I guess the nice and gentle denstist is worth the money!
>
Substituting Periodontist for podiatrist, please put that
high on your list of things to do. Seriously, the
inter-relationships between that disease and diabetes and
BG's are too close to mess about with.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management