Lantus

Hello Good People:

After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
diabetes..right??


Larry

"Larry" <boelkowj@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Good People:
>
> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
> diabetes..right??

I started on Lantus over a month ago. So far, no good. My numbers have
only gone higher. How long did it take for you to get the right dose?
And what dose are you using? I just now increased to 50 units.

Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh I
have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.

Joe


"Larry" <boelkowj@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Good People:
>
> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
> diabetes..right??
>
>
> Larry

"Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh I
> have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>

Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG was
160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers are always
lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh I
>> have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>>
>
> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG
> was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers are
> always lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.
>

What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as Lantus)
at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in the morning. I
use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine in the morning.

convicted neighbor Julie Bove wrote:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...22208318c5817?

> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
> > morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh I
> > have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>
> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG was
> 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers are always
> lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.

One can always overeat to the point of overwhelming all diabetic
medications including Lantus.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic...

Prayerfully in the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
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>
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>
>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh I
>>> have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>>>
>>
>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG
>> was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers are
>> always lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.
>>
>
> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in the
> morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine in the
> morning.

Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the time.
Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night it would have
been too much since I woke to 160.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>
>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>>>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh
>>>> I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG
>>> was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers
>>> are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.
>>>
>>
>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in the
>> morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine in the
>> morning.
>
> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the time.
> Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night it would
> have been too much since I woke to 160.
With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the morning.
My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself anymore. The slow gentle
action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough to lower mine. I have to use fast
acting Novolog go get it down at bedtime and it will be good in the morning.

"Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>
>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>>>>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh
>>>>> I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG
>>>> was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers
>>>> are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in
>>> the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine in
>>> the morning.
>>
>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the time.
>> Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night it would
>> have been too much since I woke to 160.
> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself anymore. The
> slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough to lower mine. I
> have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at bedtime and it will be
> good in the morning.

What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes down.
But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the other
thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when I was NOT using the
lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a bad thing. Somebody here
offered an explanation for that, but my medical people have no clue.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>
>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>>>>>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be.
>>>>>> Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are
>>>>>> consistent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>>>> back up.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in
>>>> the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine in
>>>> the morning.
>>>
>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
>>> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night it
>>> would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
>> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself anymore. The
>> slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough to lower mine. I
>> have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at bedtime and it will be
>> good in the morning.
>
> What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes down.
> But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the other
> thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when I was NOT using the
> lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a bad thing. Somebody here
> offered an explanation for that, but my medical people have no clue.
>

I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog before
meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG between 90-100.
I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should talk to your doctor about
going on a basal/bolus program. It requires a lot of testing, I test 7 times
a day, more if I get highs that need correction.

"Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:KdlXj.408$H91.100@trndny09...
>>
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>>
>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
>>>>>>> morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be.
>>>>>>> Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are
>>>>>>> consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>>>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>>>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>>>>> back up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high in
>>>>> the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is fine
>>>>> in the morning.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
>>>> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night it
>>>> would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>>> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
>>> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself anymore.
>>> The slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough to lower mine.
>>> I have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at bedtime and it will
>>> be good in the morning.
>>
>> What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes
>> down. But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the
>> other thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when I was NOT
>> using the lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a bad thing.
>> Somebody here offered an explanation for that, but my medical people have
>> no clue.
>>
>
> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog before
> meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG between
> 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should talk to your
> doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It requires a lot of testing,
> I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs that need correction.

He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units and then
call the nurse back.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:12:44 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>"Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:iMmdne-sscH-eLDVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@giganews.com...
>> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog before
>> meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG between
>> 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should talk to your
>> doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It requires a lot of testing,
>> I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs that need correction.
>
>He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units and then
>call the nurse back.

Is that where you'll be next week? - here's hoping for the non-dippy
nurse...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:12:44 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:iMmdne-sscH-eLDVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog before
>>> meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG between
>>> 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should talk to your
>>> doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It requires a lot of
>>> testing,
>>> I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs that need correction.
>>
>>He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units and
>>then
>>call the nurse back.
>
> Is that where you'll be next week? - here's hoping for the non-dippy
> nurse...

58 will be my next step. And not likely I will get the non-dippy nurse.
I've been assigned to the dippy one and it seems I'll get her, unless she is
not there. Today is more frustration because after breakfast I shot up to
322. I only saw numbers this high like 2 or 3 times prior to insulin. Now
it's a common thing. It's as though the extra insulin is making me more
resistant to it or something.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message

> > Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95 come
> > morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used to be. Oh
> > I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results are consistent.

> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my FBG
> was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My numbers are
> always lower when I first increase and then will bounce back up.

My kid brother's been on Lantus for a while. He sometimes shoots a little
fast acting before he eats. His numbers still suck. His last A1c was
7.something. Previous was 8.something, so that's an improvement. He's been
an engineer for over 45 years. I don't know why he can't titrate his meds,
except that he doesn't test often (hates those little black spots on his
fingertips) and doesn't keep notes.

250 million diabetics separated by a common disease!

Take care.

--
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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

"Larry" <boelkowj@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Good People:
>
> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
> diabetes..right??
>
>
> Larry
I take Lantus in the evening. It dropped my typically high fasting blood
glucose. It dropped my HbA1c from the high 6s to the mid 5s.

Henry Mydlarz

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry" <boelkowj@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9260772a-5601-4663-975c-55df714a26f6@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> Hello Good People:
>>
>> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
>> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
>> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
>> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
>> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
>> diabetes..right??
>
> I started on Lantus over a month ago. So far, no good. My numbers have
> only gone higher. How long did it take for you to get the right dose?
> And what dose are you using? I just now increased to 50 units.
>
I have a Type 1 diabetic friend who found Lantus had no effect in his case.
he switched to Levemir, which is a similar insulin. That worked.

Henry Mydlarz.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:34 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
wrote:

>58 will be my next step. And not likely I will get the non-dippy nurse.
>I've been assigned to the dippy one and it seems I'll get her, unless she is
>not there.

Yuk I would be very interested in her schedule, then... if you're
really lucky, maybe the dippy one only works 4 days a week or
something...

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

"hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:w_8Xj.16315$6D1.11547@trndny02...
>>
>> "Larry" <boelkowj@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:9260772a-5601-4663-975c-55df714a26f6@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hello Good People:
>>>
>>> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
>>> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
>>> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
>>> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
>>> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
>>> diabetes..right??
>>
>> I started on Lantus over a month ago. So far, no good. My numbers have
>> only gone higher. How long did it take for you to get the right
>> dose? And what dose are you using? I just now increased to 50 units.
>>
> I have a Type 1 diabetic friend who found Lantus had no effect in his
> case. he switched to Levemir, which is a similar insulin. That worked.

Thanks!

Larry wrote:
> Hello Good People:
>
> After many years (too many) trying all the drugs like Metformin +
> Amaryl + Actos+ Precose.... The best is a simple dose of Lantus in the
> evening. So far so good...... I'm sure my liver is happy too....I'll
> keep you posted over several months trial. I bet most of you are just
> at the early prevention stages so may not relate to frank
> diabetes..right??


Lol, no. Most here have had frank diabetes for many years. What will you be
doing for your insulin resistance? Many times I have related the story of my
ex father in law. He was diagnosed when about to have emergency micro
surgery back in 1987. His surgery was delayed while the bg's were brought
back into line with insulin. He learned how to eat in a way (3 meals, 3
snacks - same carb amounts every day) where he got by on just insulin
(albeit high amounts) until a few years ago. A doc decided he needed to be
on Metformin because of the insulin resistance rather than the insulin.
Sadly that was too late, in very recent years he has had at least 5 heart
attacks which the specialists are now putting down to the fact that he was
not on an insulin resistance med for all those years, despite good control
on insulin.

Please do not ignore the IR aspect of your diabetes.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>
>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95
>>>> come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used
>>>> to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results
>>>> are consistent.
>>>
>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>> back up.
>>
>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high
>> in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is
>> fine in the morning.
>
> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night
> it would have been too much since I woke to 160.

If you are 200-300 at bedtime then you ARE having post meals high.

Julie Bove wrote:
> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:KdlXj.408$H91.100@trndny09...
>>>
>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about
>>>>>>>> 95 come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+
>>>>>>>> it used to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and
>>>>>>>> the results are consistent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now
>>>>>>> and my FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this
>>>>>>> number. My numbers are always lower when I first increase and
>>>>>>> then will bounce back up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same
>>>>>> as Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be
>>>>>> high in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime
>>>>>> and it is fine in the morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of
>>>>> the time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last
>>>>> night it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>>>> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
>>>> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself
>>>> anymore. The slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough
>>>> to lower mine. I have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at
>>>> bedtime and it will be good in the morning.
>>>
>>> What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes
>>> down. But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the
>>> other thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when
>>> I was NOT using the lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a
>>> bad thing. Somebody here offered an explanation for that, but my
>>> medical people have no clue.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog
>> before meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG
>> between 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should
>> talk to your doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It
>> requires a lot of testing, I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs
>> that need correction.
>
> He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units
> and then call the nurse back.

You don't HAVE to do anything, except reassess the fact that your medical
team are not doing you any favours. Going along with all this when your
numbers are still way too high is like a lamb going to the slaughter. You
are going to get very sick sooner rather than later if you keep going like
this. With your numbers as they are now, your kidneys alone are getting a
damn good thrashing, not to mention the rest of your body. There is one good
thing in your life Julie and that's Angela. You owe it to her to not only
have a mother around for a very long time but also a healthy mother.

You are way too accepting and it it is hurting you badly.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:699oocF318pmjU1@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>
>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95
>>>>> come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used
>>>>> to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results
>>>>> are consistent.
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>>> back up.
>>>
>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high
>>> in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is
>>> fine in the morning.
>>
>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
>> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night
>> it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>
> If you are 200-300 at bedtime then you ARE having post meals high.

Then why is it coming down after I eat? Don't forget I've been running from
300 to 400.

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:699ovcF30oi2fU1@mid.individual.net...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iMmdne-sscH-eLDVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KdlXj.408$H91.100@trndny09...
>>>>
>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7OSdnQ_qpL5lQLDVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about
>>>>>>>>> 95 come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+
>>>>>>>>> it used to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and
>>>>>>>>> the results are consistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now
>>>>>>>> and my FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this
>>>>>>>> number. My numbers are always lower when I first increase and
>>>>>>>> then will bounce back up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same
>>>>>>> as Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be
>>>>>>> high in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime
>>>>>>> and it is fine in the morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of
>>>>>> the time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last
>>>>>> night it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>>>>> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
>>>>> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself
>>>>> anymore. The slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough
>>>>> to lower mine. I have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at
>>>>> bedtime and it will be good in the morning.
>>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes
>>>> down. But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the
>>>> other thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when
>>>> I was NOT using the lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a
>>>> bad thing. Somebody here offered an explanation for that, but my
>>>> medical people have no clue.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog
>>> before meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG
>>> between 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should
>>> talk to your doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It
>>> requires a lot of testing, I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs
>>> that need correction.
>>
>> He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units
>> and then call the nurse back.
>
> You don't HAVE to do anything, except reassess the fact that your medical
> team are not doing you any favours. Going along with all this when your
> numbers are still way too high is like a lamb going to the slaughter. You
> are going to get very sick sooner rather than later if you keep going like
> this. With your numbers as they are now, your kidneys alone are getting a
> damn good thrashing, not to mention the rest of your body. There is one
> good thing in your life Julie and that's Angela. You owe it to her to not
> only have a mother around for a very long time but also a healthy mother.
>
> You are way too accepting and it it is hurting you badly.

Well, no. I don't know what else to do. I am on max doses of meds. And
the no carb low carb route doesn't work for me. I have tried it,
repeatedly. It does not lower my numbers one whit.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:13:47 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>
>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95
>>>>> come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used
>>>>> to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results
>>>>> are consistent.
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>>> back up.
>>>
>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high
>>> in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is
>>> fine in the morning.
>>
>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
>> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night
>> it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>
>If you are 200-300 at bedtime then you ARE having post meals high.
>







The problem that thre are so many factors involved in diabetes.
Thst ome simpe step may ot work.

I developed diabetes in 1976. I finally acheive satsfactory control
in the mid 90's. cost me a lot.

GP's did not do the job.

I have seen marginal treatment in the past year

Get a Endo since it is your life.

You can do a hell of a lot for your self but
it takes time and effort.

I believed that the under use of the available
tests will continue as cost controls increase.

The ass-u-me and the probability of the
guesses being wrong is not my favorite
idea of good care.

If a new care system does not satisfy
to medics, we will see rough time for
a while.



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On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:17:31 +1000, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:iMmdne-sscH-eLDVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:KdlXj.408$H91.100@trndny09...
>>>>
>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7OSdnQ_qpL5lQLDVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about
>>>>>>>>> 95 come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+
>>>>>>>>> it used to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and
>>>>>>>>> the results are consistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now
>>>>>>>> and my FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this
>>>>>>>> number. My numbers are always lower when I first increase and
>>>>>>>> then will bounce back up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same
>>>>>>> as Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be
>>>>>>> high in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime
>>>>>>> and it is fine in the morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of
>>>>>> the time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last
>>>>>> night it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>>>>> With me if BG is high at bedtime, it will be about the same in the
>>>>> morning. My body don't seem to be able to lower BG by itself
>>>>> anymore. The slow gentle action of Lantus or Levemire isn't enough
>>>>> to lower mine. I have to use fast acting Novolog go get it down at
>>>>> bedtime and it will be good in the morning.
>>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is... If I increase the lantus, my BG comes
>>>> down. But generally just that one time. Then it zings back up. And the
>>>> other thing is... My BG has about doubled what it was when
>>>> I was NOT using the lantus. Which makes me think the lantus is a
>>>> bad thing. Somebody here offered an explanation for that, but my
>>>> medical people have no clue.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about that. Using both Levemire at night and Novolog
>>> before meals and for corrections, I can usually keep my fasting BG
>>> between 90-100. I can also keep my A1c below 6.0. Maybe you should
>>> talk to your doctor about going on a basal/bolus program. It
>>> requires a lot of testing, I test 7 times a day, more if I get highs
>>> that need correction.
>>
>> He is not open to that at this point. I have to get up to 60 units
>> and then call the nurse back.
>
>You don't HAVE to do anything, except reassess the fact that your medical
>team are not doing you any favours. Going along with all this when your
>numbers are still way too high is like a lamb going to the slaughter. You
>are going to get very sick sooner rather than later if you keep going like
>this. With your numbers as they are now, your kidneys alone are getting a
>damn good thrashing, not to mention the rest of your body. There is one good
>thing in your life Julie and that's Angela. You owe it to her to not only
>have a mother around for a very long time but also a healthy mother.
>
>You are way too accepting and it it is hurting you badly.
>
We have a right to expect reasonable and fair medical
care. Medicine is not a candy factory or carnival ballon
business. Learn to fire doctors and to raise more hell.

But first, take steps to find that you are right.
I am seeing too many young snotty docs around
today. But some are good beyond belief.

The good docs should take control.


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<guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:13:47 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about 95
>>>>>> come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+ it used
>>>>>> to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and the results
>>>>>> are consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now and my
>>>>> FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this number. My
>>>>> numbers are always lower when I first increase and then will bounce
>>>>> back up.
>>>>
>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same as
>>>> Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be high
>>>> in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime and it is
>>>> fine in the morning.
>>>
>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of the
>>> time. Perhaps if I had taken more insulin on top of that last night
>>> it would have been too much since I woke to 160.
>>
>>If you are 200-300 at bedtime then you ARE having post meals high.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The problem that thre are so many factors involved in diabetes.
> Thst ome simpe step may ot work.
>
> I developed diabetes in 1976. I finally acheive satsfactory control
> in the mid 90's. cost me a lot.
>
> GP's did not do the job.
>
> I have seen marginal treatment in the past year
>
> Get a Endo since it is your life.
>
> You can do a hell of a lot for your self but
> it takes time and effort.
>
> I believed that the under use of the available
> tests will continue as cost controls increase.
>
> The ass-u-me and the probability of the
> guesses being wrong is not my favorite
> idea of good care.
>
> If a new care system does not satisfy
> to medics, we will see rough time for
> a while.

I see an Endo. I have never seen a GP who would address diabetes. They all
sent me to an Endo.

<guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:79dv2491pbil0embg9nhinf8mah2mro6sa@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 14:17:31 +1000, "Ozgirl"
> <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:iMmdne-sscH-eLDVnZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:KdlXj.408$H91.100@trndny09...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7OSdnQ_qpL5lQLDVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b0lXj.43$Uf1.42@trndny08...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Anon aka" <anon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:P5mdnUPOc45NIrDVnZ2dnUVZ_qqgnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:IGhXj.11$Zy1.0@trndny05...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Joseph Ferraro" <jsjf@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:482da28c$0$11609$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Lantus is a blessing, 25 units at bedtime and my BG is about
>>>>>>>>>> 95 come morning, which is a hell of lot better than the 200+
>>>>>>>>>> it used to be. Oh I have been on Lantus for over a year, and
>>>>>>>>>> the results are consistent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gee, I wish it worked that well for me! I'm at 50 units now
>>>>>>>>> and my FBG was 160. I've learned not to get excited by this
>>>>>>>>> number. My numbers are always lower when I first increase and
>>>>>>>>> then will bounce back up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is your bedtive BG? I take 42 units of Levemir (almost same
>>>>>>>> as Lantus) at bedtime. If my bedtive BG is high, it will also be
>>>>>>>> high in the morning. I use Novolog to get down before bedtime
>>>>>>>> and it is fine in the morning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you mean bedtime? It is been in the 200's and 300's most of
>>>>>>> the time. Perhaps if I had taken more