LDL

[Julie Bove]

Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?

Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too. Don't
think it helped.

Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there are
those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I can eat. So
I can't really change that.

Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most of what
I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills again tonight
and it looks like I will soon need to be placing another order. I don't
really want to take more supplements but I also refuse to take a statin or
Welchol or Zetia. Is there some other med I don't know about?

Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.

[Oldmilret]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:34:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
>some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
>some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?

Check with your doctor to see if he has a sample 1 month pack of
Lovaza - prescription fish oil. That is the cheapest way to see if it
works. It brought my numbers down. You have to jump through some
hoops though for Express Scripts to pay for it if you want to
continue. It's explained online.

A friend uses Costco/Kirkland Omega-3 Fish Oil 1000 mg. and it works
for him.

No fishy taste on either pill, but they must be about the largest gel
cap in the world!<G>

>Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too. Don't
>think it helped.
>
>Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there are
>those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I can eat. So
>I can't really change that.
>
>Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most of what
>I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills again tonight
>and it looks like I will soon need to be placing another order. I don't
>really want to take more supplements but I also refuse to take a statin or
>Welchol or Zetia. Is there some other med I don't know about?
>
>Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.
>

[mainframetech]

On Jul 15, 5:56*am, Oldmilret <Oldmil...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:34:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>
> Check with your doctor to see if he has a sample 1 month pack of
> Lovaza - prescription fish oil. That is the cheapest way to see if it
> works. *It brought my numbers down. You have to jump through some
> hoops though for Express Scripts to pay for it if you want to
> continue. It's explained online.
>
> A friend uses Costco/Kirkland Omega-3 Fish Oil 1000 mg. and it works
> for him.
>

Lovaza is really Omega-3 with a higher price tag and with a
prescription. I checked into Lovaza as against Omega-3 and found that
you would have to take twice as much of Lovaza to get the same benefit
as Omega-3. That will double the price all over again. I haven't
discovered any reason to bother with any of the newer attempts of the
drug industry to replace supplements to get higher prices.

The ad for Lovaza actually says it's concentrated, so that tells you
how much truth you'll find in advertising.
http://www.lovaza.com/benefits-of-lo...on-needed.html

A caution...Omega-3 (and Lovaza) will act as a blood thinner. Check
with your doctor to be sure of using either.

I've used Omega-3 for 6 years (2000mg daily) as a blood thinner and
I know it works about the same as Plavix for me. It would probably
also compete with Warfarin, but would be somewhat safer than the
prescription drugs. Be careful telling physicians about your using
these compounds. They seem to think they aren't necessary to think
about, including the blood thinning effect. You have to beat the bony
prominence on their shoulders enough to get the message through that
Omega-3 actually thins blood.

Good Luck,
Chris

[Colt T]

An nih page I saw said resveratrol lowers LDL and total cholesterol and
also raises HDL. I may go back on 500 mg of otc niacin after bloodwork
in Aug. tho I think an LDL of 56 is too low.

[Alice Faber]

In article <jttvak$tp8$[email protected]>,
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
> some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
> some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?

My diet seems to be doing the trick: lots of salads, small protein
servings, and very little carb-dense food .

--
"Isn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read and then attack
what it didn't say?"--WG, where else but Usenet

[Trawley Trash]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:34:28 -0700
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have
> seen some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did
> try that some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a
> statin?
>
> Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too.
> Don't think it helped.
>
> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there
> are those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I
> can eat. So I can't really change that.
>
> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most
> of what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills
> again tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing
> another order. I don't really want to take more supplements but I
> also refuse to take a statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some
> other med I don't know about?
>
> Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.


Omega 3 fish oil from a health food store.

Also watch the type of fats that you eat. Some processed foods
are worse than others. Read the ingredients. *No*
trans fats like shortening or margarine. Anything that says
"hydrogenated" is a trans fat. Also no dairy fat: no ice
cream, cheese, butter. Instead use olive oil, coconut oil, or
sesame oil. There is a really good ice cream replacement made
from coconut milk. Also a decent dairy free cream cheese.

Be sure all oils are fresh, and keep them to a minimum.

Robb Wolf's /The/ /Paleo/ /Solution/, and Dr. Lindeberg's
/Food/ /and/ /Western/ /Disease/ are the best books
I have found so far.

[randyf]

Julie Wrote:
> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? *I have seen
> some supplements listed online. *One was red rice yeast. *I did try that
> some years ago. *Didn't seem to do a thing. *Isn't it a statin?

Red rice yeast can be effective because it contains a natural statin,
(lovostatin I believe).
Problem was that much of the commercial products available were low
quality and did not have much of the natural statin content.
As I recall, Bluebonnet had a product that was high quality.

Saturated and trans fat will increase ldl production. This is firmly
established.

Regards
Randy

[Colt T]

http://mlvb.net/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18611391

about resveratrol and cholesterol

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

On 7/15/2012 9:20 AM, Alice Faber wrote:

> My diet seems to be doing the trick: lots of salads, small protein
> servings, and very little carb-dense food .
>

Lowering LDL isn't really an appropriate goal unless it's done by
natural body adjustments made in response to improved diet or health.

I'd worry about high TGL and low HDL as risk markers.

A chief of cardiology has told both MIL and I, with our very high LDL
that with our low TGL and high HDL, we have nothing to worry about. I
keep the bad stuff, VLDL, to a minimum with very low carbs, plenty of
protein and fats.

Susan

[Colt T]

My triG has been as low as 34 and my HDL as high as 78, LDL as low as 50
or less.

[Colt T]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18611391

fixed the url, 1000 pardons

[Julie Bove]

"Oldmilret" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:34:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
>>some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
>>some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>
> Check with your doctor to see if he has a sample 1 month pack of
> Lovaza - prescription fish oil. That is the cheapest way to see if it
> works. It brought my numbers down. You have to jump through some
> hoops though for Express Scripts to pay for it if you want to
> continue. It's explained online.

I can't have fish oil. I have an intolernace to all fish.
>

<snip>

[Julie Bove]

"Colt T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> An nih page I saw said resveratrol lowers LDL and total cholesterol and
> also raises HDL. I may go back on 500 mg of otc niacin after bloodwork
> in Aug. tho I think an LDL of 56 is too low.

Apparently doesn't for me. I take it daily.

[Julie Bove]

"Alice Faber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> In article <jttvak$tp8$[email protected]>,
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
>> some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
>> some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>
> My diet seems to be doing the trick: lots of salads, small protein
> servings, and very little carb-dense food.

I can't eat much salad because I don't digest them. And I can't do low
carb. It raises my BG.

[Julie Bove]

"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 7/15/2012 9:20 AM, Alice Faber wrote:
>
>> My diet seems to be doing the trick: lots of salads, small protein
>> servings, and very little carb-dense food .
>>
>
> Lowering LDL isn't really an appropriate goal unless it's done by natural
> body adjustments made in response to improved diet or health.
>
> I'd worry about high TGL and low HDL as risk markers.
>
> A chief of cardiology has told both MIL and I, with our very high LDL that
> with our low TGL and high HDL, we have nothing to worry about. I keep the
> bad stuff, VLDL, to a minimum with very low carbs, plenty of protein and
> fats.

I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 01:34:28 -0700
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have
>> seen some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did
>> try that some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a
>> statin?
>>
>> Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too.
>> Don't think it helped.
>>
>> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there
>> are those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I
>> can eat. So I can't really change that.
>>
>> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most
>> of what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills
>> again tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing
>> another order. I don't really want to take more supplements but I
>> also refuse to take a statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some
>> other med I don't know about?
>>
>> Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.
>
>
> Omega 3 fish oil from a health food store.

Thanks but I am intolerant to all fish so I can't have that. I did try
krill oil. The smell just gagged me and it didn't seem to help.
>
> Also watch the type of fats that you eat. Some processed foods
> are worse than others. Read the ingredients. *No*
> trans fats like shortening or margarine. Anything that says
> "hydrogenated" is a trans fat. Also no dairy fat: no ice
> cream, cheese, butter. Instead use olive oil, coconut oil, or
> sesame oil. There is a really good ice cream replacement made
> from coconut milk. Also a decent dairy free cream cheese.
>
I have to eat margarine because I can't have any dairy. I don't like any
kind of frozen treats or cream cheese. I also have to avoid soy which means
most faux dairy is out. But I do sometimes eat Daiya cheese. I use very
little oil in my cooking. Mainly coconut or olive.
> Be sure all oils are fresh, and keep them to a minimum.
>
> Robb Wolf's /The/ /Paleo/ /Solution/, and Dr. Lindeberg's
> /Food / /and/ /Western/ /Disease/ are the best books
> I have found so far.

I don't think Paleo would work for me at all given my bad digestion. But
thanks.

[Julie Bove]

"Colt T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> http://mlvb.net/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18611391
>
> about resveratrol and cholesterol

Doesn't help me though.

[Julie Bove]

randyf wrote:
> Julie Wrote:
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have
>> seen some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did
>> try that some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a
>> statin?
>
> Red rice yeast can be effective because it contains a natural statin,
> (lovostatin I believe).
> Problem was that much of the commercial products available were low
> quality and did not have much of the natural statin content.
> As I recall, Bluebonnet had a product that was high quality.

Would not take that again then. I don't think it helped me anyway.

> Saturated and trans fat will increase ldl production. This is firmly
> established.

But I eat very little of both.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Julie Bove heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd :
> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen some
> supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that some
> years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>
> Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too. Don't
> think it helped.
>
> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there are those
> days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I can eat. So I
> can't really change that.
>
> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most of what I
> ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills again tonight and
> it looks like I will soon need to be placing another order. I don't really
> want to take more supplements but I also refuse to take a statin or Welchol
> or Zetia. Is there some other med I don't know about?
>
> Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.

Julie, I read the answers, fishoil is indeed good for that.
I cant take fishoil either (bowel-problems) but what I _can_ take is a
kind of capsule which _contains_ omega3 (on the bottle of capsules is
mentioned that these capsules contains fishoil), there is no taste to
these capsules. I get the bottle of capsules (OTC) at the drugstore.
M.

[Julie Bove]

Maya Zuiderweg wrote:
> Julie Bove heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd :
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have
>> seen some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did
>> try that some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a
>> statin? Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that
>> too. Don't think it helped.
>>
>> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there
>> are those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I
>> can eat. So I can't really change that.
>>
>> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most
>> of what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills
>> again tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing
>> another order. I don't really want to take more supplements but I
>> also refuse to take a statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some
>> other med I don't know about? Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me
>> the hot flashes.
>
> Julie, I read the answers, fishoil is indeed good for that.
> I cant take fishoil either (bowel-problems) but what I _can_ take is a
> kind of capsule which _contains_ omega3 (on the bottle of capsules is
> mentioned that these capsules contains fishoil), there is no taste to
> these capsules. I get the bottle of capsules (OTC) at the drugstore.

Yes but I am intolerant to fish. I did take fishoil many years ago before I
knew this. Didn't seem to help me any. I do take omega 3 in the form of
flax but again it doesn't seem to help me.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Julie Bove stelde de volgende uitleg voor :
> Maya Zuiderweg wrote:
>> Julie Bove heeft ons zojuist aangekondigd :
>>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have
>>> seen some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did
>>> try that some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a
>>> statin? Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too.
>>> Don't think it helped.
>>>
>>> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there
>>> are those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I
>>> can eat. So I can't really change that.
>>>
>>> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most
>>> of what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills
>>> again tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing
>>> another order. I don't really want to take more supplements but I
>>> also refuse to take a statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some
>>> other med I don't know about? Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me
>>> the hot flashes.
>>
>> Julie, I read the answers, fishoil is indeed good for that.
>> I cant take fishoil either (bowel-problems) but what I _can_ take is a
>> kind of capsule which _contains_ omega3 (on the bottle of capsules is
>> mentioned that these capsules contains fishoil), there is no taste to
>> these capsules. I get the bottle of capsules (OTC) at the drugstore.
>
> Yes but I am intolerant to fish. I did take fishoil many years ago before I
> knew this. Didn't seem to help me any. I do take omega 3 in the form of
> flax but again it doesn't seem to help me.

Thats a bummer :/
M.

[Budd Cochran]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jttvak$tp8$[email protected]..
> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
> some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
> some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>
> Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too. Don't
> think it helped.
>
> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there are
> those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I can eat.
> So I can't really change that.
>
> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most of
> what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills again
> tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing another order. I
> don't really want to take more supplements but I also refuse to take a
> statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some other med I don't know about?
>
> Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.
>
I take soy lecithin capsules for my cholesterol control and it's been far
better than fish oils, including the omega 3.

But they smell worse than the fish oil capsules.

And, of course, YMMV.


--
Budd

Every vote counts ... unless it wasn't cast.

[Julie Bove]

"Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%rMMr.1201$[email protected]..
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jttvak$tp8$[email protected]..
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
>> some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
>> some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>>
>> Polycosomethingorother was also listed. I think I tried that too. Don't
>> think it helped.
>>
>> Also saw to quit eating refined foods which I mostly have but there are
>> those days when I am not digesting well and that is about all I can eat.
>> So I can't really change that.
>>
>> Just placed another order for supplements. $230 and hopefully most of
>> what I ordered will last me for 3 months. But I did up my pills again
>> tonight and it looks like I will soon need to be placing another order.
>> I don't really want to take more supplements but I also refuse to take a
>> statin or Welchol or Zetia. Is there some other med I don't know about?
>>
>> Niacin didn't help me either. Just gave me the hot flashes.
>>
> I take soy lecithin capsules for my cholesterol control and it's been far
> better than fish oils, including the omega 3.
>
> But they smell worse than the fish oil capsules.
>
> And, of course, YMMV.

Hmmm... I wonder if other forms of lecithin would work? It mostly comes
from soy or egg but I can't have either. I do have soy lecithin in some
foods and supplements but it is a very small amount. I wouldn't dare take
it as a stand alone supplement because of the effect on my thyroid.

[mainframetech]

On Jul 16, 12:40*am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
> > I take soy lecithin capsules for my cholesterol control and it's been far
> > better than fish oils, including the omega 3.
>
> > But they smell worse than the fish oil capsules.
>
> > And, of course, YMMV.
>

From more recent studies and from specialists in cholesterol, it is
likely that 'control' or lowering of cholesterol of any kind (LDL or
HRL) is not necessary, which would solve the problem of the moment.
Many doctors and researchers now have pointed out that the body needs
cholesterol and only a very small percentage may need to lower it.

http://www.spacedoc.com/
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

Good Luck,
Chris

[Don Roberto]

On 7/15/2012 6:20 AM, Alice Faber wrote:
> In article <jttvak$tp8$[email protected]>,
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a way to lower it that worked for them? I have seen
>> some supplements listed online. One was red rice yeast. I did try that
>> some years ago. Didn't seem to do a thing. Isn't it a statin?
>
> My diet seems to be doing the trick: lots of salads, small protein
> servings, and very little carb-dense food.

You have arrived...

Don Roberto

[Trawley Trash]

On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:37 -0700
"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.

I don't recall whether you said you had tried digestive enzymes
ie pancreatin. These are specific enzymes secreted by the pancreas
to digest fat and protein. My blood work showed zero for these.
My doctor completely ignored this, but I saw it and started taking
them. It did a lot for my digestion. I can tolerate a lot more
meat and fat than before. Not as much gas and burping either.

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:37 -0700
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.
>
> I don't recall whether you said you had tried digestive enzymes
> ie pancreatin. These are specific enzymes secreted by the pancreas
> to digest fat and protein. My blood work showed zero for these.
> My doctor completely ignored this, but I saw it and started taking
> them. It did a lot for my digestion. I can tolerate a lot more
> meat and fat than before. Not as much gas and burping either.

If it is a prescription then no. I can't take any digestive aids with
bromelian. Causes extreme burping and stomach pain. I was taking PDA but
then I found HCL at Swansons. Pretty much the same stuff but not quite as
strong. And a lot cheaper.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Trawley Trash beweerde :
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:37 -0700
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.
>
> I don't recall whether you said you had tried digestive enzymes
> ie pancreatin. These are specific enzymes secreted by the pancreas
> to digest fat and protein. My blood work showed zero for these.
> My doctor completely ignored this, but I saw it and started taking
> them. It did a lot for my digestion. I can tolerate a lot more
> meat and fat than before. Not as much gas and burping either.

Would pancreatin be the same as Pancrease HL?
It certainly is a prescription medicine overhere.
M.

[Julie Bove]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
message news:[email protected] ...
> Trawley Trash beweerde :
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:37 -0700
>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.
>>
>> I don't recall whether you said you had tried digestive enzymes
>> ie pancreatin. These are specific enzymes secreted by the pancreas
>> to digest fat and protein. My blood work showed zero for these.
>> My doctor completely ignored this, but I saw it and started taking
>> them. It did a lot for my digestion. I can tolerate a lot more
>> meat and fat than before. Not as much gas and burping either.
>
> Would pancreatin be the same as Pancrease HL?
> It certainly is a prescription medicine overhere.
> M.

I don't know. And AFAIK my pancreas doesn't have a problem.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
> message news:[email protected] ...
>> Trawley Trash beweerde :
>>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 15:19:37 -0700
>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't eat like that. I don't digest fat or protein very well.
>>>
>>> I don't recall whether you said you had tried digestive enzymes
>>> ie pancreatin. These are specific enzymes secreted by the pancreas
>>> to digest fat and protein. My blood work showed zero for these.
>>> My doctor completely ignored this, but I saw it and started taking
>>> them. It did a lot for my digestion. I can tolerate a lot more
>>> meat and fat than before. Not as much gas and burping either.
>>
>> Would pancreatin be the same as Pancrease HL?
>> It certainly is a prescription medicine overhere.
>> M.
>
> I don't know. And AFAIK my pancreas doesn't have a problem.

Maybe Trawley's does....?

M.

[Colt T]

I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
better beer than here.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Colt T beweerde :
> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
> better beer than here.

Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
M.

[Julie Bove]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
message news:[email protected]..
> Colt T beweerde :
>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>> better beer than here.
>
> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
> M.

It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
> message news:[email protected]..
>> Colt T beweerde :
>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>> better beer than here.
>>
>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>> M.
>
> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.

Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
troubles. Now: whats rx..?
M.

[Julie Bove]

"Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
message news:[email protected] ...
> Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote
>> in message news:[email protected]..
>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>> better beer than here.
>>>
>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>> M.
>>
>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>
> Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
> troubles. Now: whats rx..?
> M.

I looked it up. Apparently it is a derivative of B1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benfotiamine

I have no clue what that guy was replying to. He just annoys me. Never
bothers to quote a thing.

[Oldmilret]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:34:05 +0200, Maya Zuiderweg
<$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote:

>Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]..
>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>> better beer than here.
>>>
>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>> M.
>>
>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>
>Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
>troubles. Now: whats rx..?
>M.
>
Rx: A medical prescription. The symbol "Rx" is usually said to stand
for the Latin word "recipe " meaning "to take." It is customarily part
of the superscription (heading) of a prescription.

Another explanation for the origin of Rx is that it was derived from
the astrological sign for Jupiter which was once placed on
prescriptions to invoke that god's blessing on the drug to help the
patient recover.
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=7934

[Harold Groot]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:34:05 +0200, Maya Zuiderweg
<$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote:

>Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]..
>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>> better beer than here.
>>>
>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>> M.
>>
>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>
>Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
>troubles. Now: whats rx..?
>M.

Rx (in the USA, at least) means that it's a prescription drug.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Julie Bove bracht volgend idée uit :
> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
> message news:[email protected] ...
>> Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote
>>> in message news:[email protected]..
>>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>>> better beer than here.
>>>>
>>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>>> M.
>>>
>>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>>
>> Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
>> troubles. Now: whats rx..?
>> M.
>
> I looked it up. Apparently it is a derivative of B1.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benfotiamine
>
> I have no clue what that guy was replying to. He just annoys me. Never
> bothers to quote a thing.

Usually Colt "replies" to the person's posting that is just before
Colt's reply in the thread. That would be me.
As vit B1 is in beer too, I get that part..
M.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Het is zò dat Oldmilret formuleerde :
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:34:05 +0200, Maya Zuiderweg
> <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote:
>
>> Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]..
>>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>>> better beer than here.
>>>>
>>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>>> M.
>>>
>>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>>
>> Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
>> troubles. Now: whats rx..?
>> M.
>>
> Rx: A medical prescription. The symbol "Rx" is usually said to stand
> for the Latin word "recipe " meaning "to take." It is customarily part
> of the superscription (heading) of a prescription.
>
> Another explanation for the origin of Rx is that it was derived from
> the astrological sign for Jupiter which was once placed on
> prescriptions to invoke that god's blessing on the drug to help the
> patient recover.
> http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=7934

Invoke Jupiters blessing, thats nice. Nowadays I often see on the
leaflet (that goes with the medicine): "You must trust this medicine to
be good for your (otherwise it wont do you any good) "..
Beliefsystems..
The placebo effect is always there.. :-?

M.

[Maya Zuiderweg]

Harold Groot plaatste dit op zijn scherm :
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 01:34:05 +0200, Maya Zuiderweg
> <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote:
>
>> Na rijp beraad schreef Julie Bove :
>>> "Maya Zuiderweg" <$no_spam#ma_dot_zuiderweg_@_me_dot_com#maps_on$ > wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]..
>>>> Colt T beweerde :
>>>>> I think benfotiamine is rx in Germany but they no doubt do have much
>>>>> better beer than here.
>>>>
>>>> Whats benfotiamine, whats rx..?
>>>> M.
>>>
>>> It's one of the B vitamins. B1 I think.
>>
>> Ah waiddaminute..'B1 in a certain form'..never linked that to pancreas
>> troubles. Now: whats rx..?
>> M.
>
> Rx (in the USA, at least) means that it's a prescription drug.

Thanks Harold.
M.