Is it legal to give away regular insulin in the US?

I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
US?


4/2007 10.5 A1c
6/2007 7.4 A1c
8/2007 6.8 A1c
--
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BillW50 wrote:
> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in
> the US?
>
>
> 4/2007 10.5 A1c
> 6/2007 7.4 A1c
> 8/2007 6.8 A1c
why would it be? It is an over-the-counter med not a prescription med.
It also has a shelf life MUCH MUCH longer than 2009..
If stored in a refrigerator, it is more like 2109

In news:fj13kc$8rb$1@aioe.org,
ted rosenberg typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:25:16 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in
>> the US?
>
> why would it be? It is an over-the-counter med not a prescription
> med. It also has a shelf life MUCH MUCH longer than 2009..
> If stored in a refrigerator, it is more like 2109

I don't know? I ask as I never seen it being offered on eBay yet. So I
thought it might be illegal.

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 4/2007 10.5
A1c 6/2007 7.4
A1c 8/2007 6.8

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
> US?
>
>
> 4/2007 10.5 A1c
> 6/2007 7.4 A1c
> 8/2007 6.8 A1c

I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free clinic'
somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a tax deduction.

In newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com,
ray typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:10:46 -0700:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in
>> the US?
>
> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free
> clinic' somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a
> tax deduction.

Good idea Ray! Thanks again. I'm switching from regular (Novolin) to
Novolog. I only know 3 other people on insulin. And they all use the
70/30 mix.

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
A1c 4/2007 10.5
A1c 6/2007 7.4
A1c 8/2007 6.8

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>
>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
>> US?
>>
>
> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free clinic'
> somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a tax deduction.
>

If the people-clinics won't take them, you could try the Humane Society or a
local animal hospital.
bj

In news:tkX4j.14748$t31.8756@trnddc02,
bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT:
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not
>>> use before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell
>>> them in the US?
>>
>> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free
>> clinic' somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a
>> tax deduction.
>
> If the people-clinics won't take them, you could try the Humane
> Society or a local animal hospital.
> bj

Oh another good idea. Thanks bj.

--
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 +0000, bj wrote:

> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>
>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>>> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
>>> US?
>>>
>>
>> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free clinic'
>> somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a tax deduction.
>>
>
> If the people-clinics won't take them, you could try the Humane Society or a
> local animal hospital.
> bj

Great idea - one I tend to not think about.

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:47544ac3$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> In news:tkX4j.14748$t31.8756@trnddc02,
> bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT:
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not
>>>> use before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell
>>>> them in the US?
>>>
>>> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free
>>> clinic' somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a
>>> tax deduction.
>>
>> If the people-clinics won't take them, you could try the Humane
>> Society or a local animal hospital.
>> bj
>
> Oh another good idea. Thanks bj.
>

I've given several batches left-over meds (both mine & the dogs' -- which
included some people-meds as well as dog-only meds) to the animal hospital
both my girls went to. I don't know if they'd take it from a "stranger" but
it's worth a try, and the animals don't get as much thought in these things
as needy people do. I've always asked first & then given the meds in the
original bottle or vial with my (or dog's) name on it & the pills are easily
recognized by people who deal with that sort of thing.

I also give the vet my old towels whenever I "redecorate" the bathroom or
just want newer fluffier ones.
bj

In news:3MZ4j.3562$RB.869@trnddc03,
bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:35:11 GMT:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:47544ac3$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> In news:tkX4j.14748$t31.8756@trnddc02,
>> bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT:
>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>>>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not
>>>>> use before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell
>>>>> them in the US?
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest you look at the possibility of donating to a 'free
>>>> clinic' somewhere - you would probably, at least, be able to take a
>>>> tax deduction.
>>>
>>> If the people-clinics won't take them, you could try the Humane
>>> Society or a local animal hospital.
>>> bj
>>
>> Oh another good idea. Thanks bj.
>>
>
> I've given several batches left-over meds (both mine & the dogs' --
> which included some people-meds as well as dog-only meds) to the
> animal hospital both my girls went to. I don't know if they'd take it
> from a "stranger" but it's worth a try, and the animals don't get as
> much thought in these things as needy people do. I've always asked
> first & then given the meds in the original bottle or vial with my
> (or dog's) name on it & the pills are easily recognized by people who
> deal with that sort of thing.
> I also give the vet my old towels whenever I "redecorate" the
> bathroom or just want newer fluffier ones.
> bj

You sound like a good neighbor bj. I wish there was more of you out
there.

--
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"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:47546aaa$0$1346$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>>
>> I've given several batches left-over meds (both mine & the dogs' --
>> which included some people-meds as well as dog-only meds) to the
>> animal hospital both my girls went to. I don't know if they'd take it
>> from a "stranger" but it's worth a try, and the animals don't get as
>> much thought in these things as needy people do. I've always asked
>> first & then given the meds in the original bottle or vial with my
>> (or dog's) name on it & the pills are easily recognized by people who
>> deal with that sort of thing.
>> I also give the vet my old towels whenever I "redecorate" the
>> bathroom or just want newer fluffier ones.
>> bj
>
> You sound like a good neighbor bj. I wish there was more of you out there.
>
>

I may be a currently dogless dog person (no plans to get another anytime
soon, but I'm not saying I never will!) but that doesn't mean I've given up
caring about them! One of the pleasures of my neighborhood is all the
dogs -- and since it's a condo apartment complex they're all being walked,
not cooped up in back yards, and most are very sociable. Nothing like a
regular fur-fix to keep your spirits up.

Whenever there's a disaster of some sort, the animals are at the bottom of
the list to get (official) attention, though Katrina changed some of that
thinking.
bj

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:18:26 -0500, bj wrote
(in article <6905j.478$md.74@trnddc06>):

> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:47546aaa$0$1346$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>>>
>>> I've given several batches left-over meds (both mine & the dogs' --
>>> which included some people-meds as well as dog-only meds) to the
>>> animal hospital both my girls went to. I don't know if they'd take it
>>> from a "stranger" but it's worth a try, and the animals don't get as
>>> much thought in these things as needy people do. I've always asked
>>> first & then given the meds in the original bottle or vial with my
>>> (or dog's) name on it & the pills are easily recognized by people who
>>> deal with that sort of thing.
>>> I also give the vet my old towels whenever I "redecorate" the
>>> bathroom or just want newer fluffier ones.
>>> bj
>>
>> You sound like a good neighbor bj. I wish there was more of you out there.
>>>>
>>
>
> I may be a currently dogless dog person (no plans to get another anytime
> soon, but I'm not saying I never will!) but that doesn't mean I've given up
> caring about them! One of the pleasures of my neighborhood is all the
> dogs -- and since it's a condo apartment complex they're all being walked,
> not cooped up in back yards, and most are very sociable. Nothing like a
> regular fur-fix to keep your spirits up.
>
> Whenever there's a disaster of some sort, the animals are at the bottom of
> the list to get (official) attention, though Katrina changed some of that
> thinking.
> bj
>
>

I'm another dogless dog person. I live in an apartment house and everyone is
free to call me for dog walking at a moment's notice. Today I got to empty a
Wheaten Terrier at 4:00. We had a great walk. At least I did.

TaniO

BillW50 wrote:
> In news:tkX4j.14748$t31.8756@trnddc02,
> bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT:
>
>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not
>>>> use before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell
>>>> them in the US?


When we had a diabetic cat, I found that in some states I could buy
insulin ( humulin) without a prescription, but other states required
one. We were in New England, and I forget whether NH or VT needed the
scrip. It was one of the two.

Gillian

In news:6905j.478$md.74@trnddc06,
bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:18:26 GMT:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:47546aaa$0$1346$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>>>
>>> I've given several batches left-over meds (both mine & the dogs' --
>>> which included some people-meds as well as dog-only meds) to the
>>> animal hospital both my girls went to. I don't know if they'd take
>>> it from a "stranger" but it's worth a try, and the animals don't
>>> get as much thought in these things as needy people do. I've always
>>> asked first & then given the meds in the original bottle or vial
>>> with my (or dog's) name on it & the pills are easily recognized by
>>> people who deal with that sort of thing.
>>> I also give the vet my old towels whenever I "redecorate" the
>>> bathroom or just want newer fluffier ones.
>>> bj
>>
>> You sound like a good neighbor bj. I wish there was more of you out
>> there.
>
> I may be a currently dogless dog person (no plans to get another
> anytime soon, but I'm not saying I never will!) but that doesn't mean
> I've given up caring about them! One of the pleasures of my
> neighborhood is all the dogs -- and since it's a condo apartment
> complex they're all being
> walked, not cooped up in back yards, and most are very sociable.
> Nothing like a regular fur-fix to keep your spirits up.
>
> Whenever there's a disaster of some sort, the animals are at the
> bottom of the list to get (official) attention, though Katrina
> changed some of that thinking.
> bj

I love animals and I have had many of them in the past. And for the most
part, they loved me back. Even those owned by other owners. Although I
just have a lifestyle that I just couldn't care for them anymore. But
that could change someday.

--
Bill

In news:tG15j.1474$UG1.468@trnddc01,
Gill Murray typed on Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:02:17 GMT:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:tkX4j.14748$t31.8756@trnddc02,
>> bj typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:49:13 GMT:
>>
>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>> newsan.2007.12.03.16.10.46.677266@zianet.com...
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not
>>>>> use before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell
>>>>> them in the US?
>
> When we had a diabetic cat, I found that in some states I could buy
> insulin ( humulin) without a prescription, but other states required
> one. We were in New England, and I forget whether NH or VT needed the
> scrip. It was one of the two.
>
> Gillian

Wow that is too bad! The only reason that I could think of someone
wanting insulin for an illegal purpose is to murder someone. And from
what I know, one injection (up to 100 units) most likely won't do it. As
it would take repeated shots while they are passed out. And someone that
sick is truly rare. Yet many have to suffer who really needs it. That is
so sad.

Wow! Passed out? Oh I guess there are some really sick people who would
want someone to passout, but not kill them. That would be sad too.

--
Bill

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
>US?
>
Generally, a prescriptiion is not required for regular insulin, so
it's "legal" in that sense.

If the insulin was originally covered by insurance, a resale might
constitute fraud against the insurance company.

Insulin sold or given away outside normal distribution channels could
raise product-liability issues. What if someone took your insulin,
suffered some sort of adverse reaction (not a normal "insulin
reaction"), and then discovered that the insulin was somehow defective
or tainted? You could be sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Personally, I wouldn't buy, sell, give away, or use insulin that had
been in private possession, even if it was in an unopened package. It
just isn't worth it.

The reason you don't see insulin on ebay is that it violates ebay's
policies. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/prescription.html

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:39:43 -0600, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:fj13kc$8rb$1@aioe.org,
>ted rosenberg typed on Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:25:16 -0500:
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>> I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>>> before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in
>>> the US?
>>
>> why would it be? It is an over-the-counter med not a prescription
>> med. It also has a shelf life MUCH MUCH longer than 2009..
>> If stored in a refrigerator, it is more like 2109
>
>I don't know? I ask as I never seen it being offered on eBay yet. So I
>thought it might be illegal.


ebay has been removing anything for sale that is a med, including
insulin.

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:34:18 -0600, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>I have 6 bottles of regular insulin that it looks like I will not use
>before they expire in 2009. Is it legal to give them or sell them in the
>US?
>
>
>4/2007 10.5 A1c
>6/2007 7.4 A1c
>8/2007 6.8 A1c


donate them to any veterinarian or any endo's office to give away and
they will be.

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On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:29:03 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:
>
>donate them to any veterinarian or any endo's office to give away and
>they will be.

If it becomes known that that endocrinologist is giving away insulin
obtained outside normal distribution channels, his malpractice
insurance premiums are likely to go through the roof! Don't know about
vets, though.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:30:07 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:
>
>ebay has been removing anything for sale that is a med, including
>insulin.

It's spelled out in their policies:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/prescription.html

Alexander Arnakis wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:30:07 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
> wrote:
>
>> ebay has been removing anything for sale that is a med, including
>> insulin.
>>
>
> It's spelled out in their policies:
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/prescription.html
>
>
Earth to Sasha.you posted a poliy about PRESCRIPTION drugs, not Insulin

In news:fjcat8$5g4$1@aioe.org,
ted rosenberg typed on Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:36:51 -0500:
> Alexander Arnakis wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:30:07 -0500, Mΰck©®
>> <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ebay has been removing anything for sale that is a med, including
>>> insulin.
>>>
>>
>> It's spelled out in their policies:
>>
>> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/prescription.html
>>
> Earth to Sasha.you posted a poliy about PRESCRIPTION drugs, not
> Insulin

Some people like Ted can't read I guess. <sigh>

Examples of Prohibited Prescription Drugs:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*** All forms of insulin (including non-prescription forms) ***
-------------------------------------------------------------------

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/prescription.html

--
Bill

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:36:51 -0500, ted rosenberg
<tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote:
>
>Earth to Sasha.you posted a policy about PRESCRIPTION drugs, not Insulin

Ebay gives examples in the policy -- they include all forms of
insulin, whether requiring a prescription or not.

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:23:14 GMT, Alexander Arnakis
<invalid@address.none> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:29:03 -0500, M?ck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
>wrote:
>>
>>donate them to any veterinarian or any endo's office to give away and
>>they will be.
>
>If it becomes known that that endocrinologist is giving away insulin
>obtained outside normal distribution channels, his malpractice
>insurance premiums are likely to go through the roof! Don't know about
>vets, though.


my endo does it all the time. please stick to what you actually know
first hand.

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On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:13:54 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:
>
>my endo does it all the time. please stick to what you actually know
>first hand.

Let's be sure we're clear about what we're talking about -- the issue
is recycling unused insulin from patients, not giving away free
insulin samples.

I'm a lawyer. If he's actually recycling insulin from patients, I
would suggest to him that he consult a lawyer before continuing to do
this, because he's potentially exposing himself to liability issues
big time. If insulin has been outside the normal distribution
channels, there's a chance that it could have been tampered with, it
could have been improperly stored, etc. All it would take would be
for one patient to get sick or injured, and for the insulin to be
traced back to the doctor giving it away. That would basically be the
end of his practice.

Maybe this is actually done by certain endocrinolgists, out of an
excess of compassion, but it's an extremely risky and poor practice.
The fact is, endocrinologists have access to free insulin samples
through their normal distribution channels (the pharmaceutical
detailmen can provide them), and so don't have to rely on donations of
unused insulin from patients.

Patients that have excess unused supplies of insulin should probably
simply discard them. Yeah, it's a waste.

On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:26:51 GMT, Alexander Arnakis
<invalid@address.none> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:13:54 -0500, M?ck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
>wrote:
>>
>>my endo does it all the time. please stick to what you actually know
>>first hand.
>
>Let's be sure we're clear about what we're talking about -- the issue
>is recycling unused insulin from patients, not giving away free
>insulin samples.
>

yep.


>I'm a lawyer.

I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?

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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
wrote:
>
>I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?

Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
behavior.

Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.

Alexander Arnakis wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
> wrote:
>> I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?
>
> Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
> is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
> outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
> things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
> behavior.
>
> Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
> to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
> else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.
>
oh my, i hope you really don't mean you last sentence, especially given
that it in repsonse to someone who indicated that they WERE homeless ! !
! what they didn't mention was that they were very young as well, and
had no parents to rely on

please clarify

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:45:25 GMT, Alexander Arnakis
<invalid@address.none> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, M?ck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
>wrote:
>>
>>I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?
>
>Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
>is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
>outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
>things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
>behavior.
>
>Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
>to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
>else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.


funny many americans think the same of many lawyers.

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http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
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In article <sutrl3tvn0qsc2u1mogdn9cgsefg1rl8g5@4ax.com>,
Alexander Arnakis <invalid@address.none> wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, Mœck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?
>
> Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
> is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
> outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
> things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
> behavior.
>
> Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
> to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
> else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.

Judgmental much?

--
"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
This, apparently, upsets the fools."
---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest

In news:sutrl3tvn0qsc2u1mogdn9cgsefg1rl8g5@4ax.com,
Alexander Arnakis typed on Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:45:25 GMT:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, Mΰck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?
>
> Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
> is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
> outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
> things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
> behavior.
>
> Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
> to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
> else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.

Really? Are you suggesting that homeless diabetics shoot themselves?
Personally I believe this world would be far better off without lawyers.
But it sounds like you might need a good one. As if you convince one
single individual to do so. I'm filing murder charges against you!

--
Bill

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:18:44 -0600, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

>In news:sutrl3tvn0qsc2u1mogdn9cgsefg1rl8g5@4ax.com,
>Alexander Arnakis typed on Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:45:25 GMT:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:51:32 -0500, M?ck©® <IAM@OneWithTheGoddess.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've lived on the street and literally begged for insulin. Have you?
>>
>> Thank goodness, no. One reason why I haven't had to "beg for insulin"
>> is that I've lived my life carefully. Giving or receiving insulin
>> outside of normal channels is extremely risky behavior. One of the
>> things that lawyers do is try to steer people away from risky
>> behavior.
>>
>> Homelessness and diabetes don't go well together. If a diabetic wants
>> to live, he needs to do everything he can to avoid homelessness. Or
>> else, just put a gun to his head and end it all the sooner.
>
>Really? Are you suggesting that homeless diabetics shoot themselves?
>Personally I believe this world would be far better off without lawyers.
>But it sounds like you might need a good one. As if you convince one
>single individual to do so. I'm filing murder charges against you!


hey hey hey now, not all lawyers are bad, Will is definitely a keeper.

And if Alexander new the all the details I doubt he would say some of
what he has said.

--
Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:06:17 -0500, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Judgmental much?

Damn right. As a famous televangelist once said, "When a man is down,
kick him! Kick him and make him get up!"

Diabetics, of all people, need self-discipline. If they lack
self-discipline, the people around them should do an intervention to
get them into shape. Or else, just write them off. Because an
undisciplined diabetic is committing slow suicide.

In this day and age, at least in the developed world, there are social
networks and programs to get people out of homelessness. Not just
government programs, but also churches and volunteer groups. It's not
poverty that causes most homelessness -- it's mental illness. And not
just mental illness, but wilfully untreated mental illness.

Show me a bag lady on the street, and I'll show you someone who
belongs in a state mental hospital. The problem is that our laws can't
usually force someone like this into treatment, if they're unwilling.