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Old 05-24-2008, 01:36 AM
Alan S
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Default Lipids and Low Carb

While searching for the full text of the article Susan
posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
abstracts, please do so.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549

Letters to the Editor

Carbohydrate restriction is effective in improving
atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss

Dear Sir:

Krauss et al (1) are to be congratulated on the data
presented in their recent article in the Journal, one of the
strongest cases for dietary carbohydrate restriction to
date. At the same time, we have concerns about the
misleading and confusing way in which the data were
presented and interpreted and about the scarcity of
citations of other publications that are supportive of these
findings (2– 4). Because of the significance of these data
for health, careful and appropriate conclusions are
extremely important.

The abstract conclusion, “Moreover, beneficial lipid changes
resulting from a reduced carbohydrate intake were not
significant after weight loss,” is in contradiction to their
data, which showed that HDL cholesterol is significantly
increased by weight loss after carbohydrate restriction, and
even more so in the subjects receiving a greater percentage
(15%) of energy from saturated fatty acids (SFA).

The negative conclusion stands in stark contrast to the data
in the paper that show that carbohydrate restriction is
effective for improving atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the
absence of weight loss. The reason most markers were less
responsive to weight loss induced by the low-carbohydrate
diet was that they had been improved by carbohydrate
restriction before weight loss was instituted.

Krauss et al chose not to mention their data on a comparison
between the high-carbohydrate diet and the low-carbohydrate
diet higher in SFA. SFA are generally considered
atherogenic, but the question of whether such an effect
would be manifest when carbohydrates are restricted remains
unanswered (5, 6).

The increase in LDL peak particle diameter reported by
Krauss et al (1) shows the substantial advantage of low
carbohydrate (with or without SFA) over low fat, again a
finding previously reported (2, 4, 6–9) but not cited by
Krauss et al.

Given how difficult it is to lose weight, the data of Krauss
et al support the notion that carbohydrate restriction is
the default diet for treatment of atherogenic dyslipidemia.
Because low-carbohydrate strategies are at least as
effective at fat reduction as are low-fat diets, it is
reasonable to conclude that carbohydrate restriction, lower
or higher in SFA, is the preferred diet for most people and
especially those with the complex of health markers referred
to as metabolic syndrome, as we previously suggested (10).

Remarkably, despite these data on the advantages of
carbohydrate restriction, the report concludes with tired
“concerns” about lowcarbohydrate diets and a tribute to
exercise and fiber, variables not included in the study.
Overall, the authors seem to have had a goal of trying to
support current official health guidelines rather than a
goal of trying to bring those guidelines into concordance
with the scientific data. As suggested by the results of the
study by Krauss et al, further research should concentrate
on the lower-carbohydrate, higher-saturated fat diets as a
therapy for atherogenic dyslipidemia.

None of the authors had a personal or financial conflict of
interest with respect to the study by Krauss et al.

Eric C Westman
Department of Medicine
Duke University Medical Center
(address details edited)

Jeff S Volek
Department of Kinesiology
University of Connecticut
(address details edited)

Richard D Feinman
Department of Biochemistry
SUNY Downstate Medical Center
(address details edited)

REFERENCES
1. Krauss RM, Blanche PJ, Rawlings RS, Fernstrom HS,
Williams PT.
Separate effects of reduced carbohydrate intake and weight
loss on atherogenic dyslipidemia. Am J Clin Nutr
2006;83:1025–31.

2. Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al. A randomized study
comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a
conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive
protein levels in patients with severe obesity.
Am J Med 2004;117:398–405.

3. Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Forsythe CE. Modification of
lipoproteins by very low-carbohydrate diets. J Nutr
2005;135:1339–42.

4. Westman EC, Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Dudley T, Guyton JR.
Effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program
compared to a low-fat diet on fasting lipoprotein
subclasses. Int J Cardiol 2006;110:212– 6.

5. Volek JS, Forsythe CE. The case for not restricting
saturated fat on a low carbohydrate diet. Nutr Metab (Lond)
2005; 2:21.

6. Feinman RD, Volek JS. Low carbohydrate diets improve
atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss.
Nutr Metab (Lond) 2006;3:24.

7. Hays JH, DiSabatino A, Gorman RT, Vincent S, Stillabower
ME. Effect of a high saturated fat and no-starch diet on
serum lipid subfractions in patients with documented
atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Mayo Clin Proc
2003;78:1331– 6.

8. Volek J, Sharman M, Gomez A, et al. Comparison of
energy-restricted very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets on
weight loss and body composition in overweight men and
women. Nutr Metab (Lond) 2004;1:13.

9. Wood RJ, Volek JS, Liu Y, Shachter NS, Contois JH,
Fernandez ML.
Carbohydrate restriction alters lipoprotein metabolism by
modifying VLDL, LDL, and HDL subfraction distribution and
size in overweight men. J Nutr 2006;136:384 –9.

10. Volek JS, Feinman RD. Carbohydrate restriction improves
the features of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome may
be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction. Nutr
Metab (Lond) 2005;2:31.

Am J Clin Nutr 2006;84:1549 –55. Printed in USA. © 2006
American Society for Nutrition 1549

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:36 AM
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Alan S wrote:

> Overall, the authors seem to have had a goal of trying to
> support current official health guidelines rather than a
> goal of trying to bring those guidelines into concordance
> with the scientific data.



Ain't that the truth?

Thanks, Alan, Westman always nails it.

Susan
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:33 AM
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Alan S wrote:
> While searching for the full text of the article Susan
> posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
> the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
> but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
> so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
> if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
> abstracts, please do so.
>
> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549


http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/6/1549
I have inserted the links for the articles that were not
linked above. The Medline cites couldn't be improved.
REFERENCES

1. Krauss RM, Blanche PJ, Rawlings RS, Fernstrom HS,
Williams PT. Separate effects of reduced carbohydrate intake
and weight loss on atherogenic dyslipidemia. Am J Clin Nutr
2006;83:1025–31.[Abstract/Free Full Text]


2. Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al. A randomized study
comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a
conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive
protein levels in patients with severe obesity. Am J Med
2004;117:398–405.[Medline]

3. Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Forsythe CE. Modification of
lipoproteins by very low-carbohydrate diets. J Nutr 2005;
135:1339–42.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

4. Westman EC, Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Dudley T, Guyton JR.
Effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program compared
to a low-fat diet on fasting lipoprotein subclasses. Int J
Cardiol 2006;110:212–6.[Medline]

5. Volek JS, Forsythe CE. The case for not restricting
saturated fat on a low carbohydrate diet. Nutr Metab (Lond)
2005; 2:21. http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/21

6. Feinman RD, Volek JS. Low carbohydrate diets improve
atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss.
Nutr Metab (Lond) 2006;3:24.
http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/24

7. Hays JH, DiSabatino A, Gorman RT, Vincent S, Stillabower
ME. Effect of a high saturated fat and no-starch diet on
serum lipid subfractions in patients with documented
atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Mayo Clin Proc 2003;
http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com...a=1&ref=7811a1

8. Volek J, Sharman M, Gomez A, et al. Comparison of
energy-restricted very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets on
weight loss and body composition in overweight men and women.
Nutr Metab (Lond) 2004;1:13.
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/13

9. Wood RJ, Volek JS, Liu Y, Shachter NS, Contois JH,
Fernandez ML. Carbohydrate restriction alters lipoprotein
metabolism by modifying VLDL, LDL, and HDL subfraction
distribution and size in overweight men. J Nutr 2006;
136:384–9.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

10. Volek JS, Feinman RD. Carbohydrate restriction improves
the features of metabolic dyndrome. Metabolic syndrome may
be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction. Nutr
Metab (Lond) 2005;2:31.
http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/31

There was a subsequent citation:
Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272

Frank
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
Alan S
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
<Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> While searching for the full text of the article Susan
>> posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
>> the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
>> but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
>> so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
>> if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
>> abstracts, please do so.
>>
>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549

>
>http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/6/1549
>I have inserted the links for the articles that were not
>linked above. The Medline cites couldn't be improved.


Thanks Frank. Now to find the time to read them:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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Was "Lipids and Low Carb"

On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
<Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>There was a subsequent citation:
>Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
>Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272
>
>Frank


I read this one first. For a long, long time I've been
querying people who mention a diet including "egg-beaters"
or other yolk-less forms of eggs. Always their fear was that
the cholesterol in eggs would raise their cholesterol
levels.

Well, it appears that they are right if they also reduce
carbs - but it raises the GOOD cholesterol, HDL.

Here is the abstract, I've edited by adding para breaks for
clarity; the comments in square brackets are my own:

"Carbohydrate-restricted diets (CRD) significantly decrease
body weight and independently improve plasma triglycerides
(TG) and HDL cholesterol (HDL-C).

[An interesting statement in itself.]

Increasing intake of dietary cholesterol from eggs in the
context of a low-fat diet maintains the LDL cholesterol
(LDL-C)/HDL-C for both hyper- and hypo-responders to dietary
cholesterol.

In this study, 28 overweight/obese male subjects (BMI =
25–37 kg/m2) aged 40–70 y were recruited to evaluate the
contribution of dietary cholesterol from eggs in a CRD.

Subjects were counseled to consume a CRD (10–15% energy from
carbohydrate) and they were randomly allocated to the EGG
group [intake of 3 eggs per day (640 mg/d additional dietary
cholesterol)] or SUB group [equivalent amount of egg
substitute (0 dietary cholesterol) per day].

Energy intake decreased in both groups from 10,243 ± 4040 to
7968 ± 2401 kJ (P < 0.05) compared with baseline. All
subjects irrespective of their assigned group had reduced
body weight and waist circumference (P < 0.0001).

[The reduced-carb diet worked for ALL of them]

Similarly, the plasma TG concentration was reduced from 1.34
± 0.66 to 0.83 ± 0.30 mmol/L after 12 wk (P < 0.001) in all
subjects.

[That is a very significant decrease, the mg/dl equivalent
is: "plasma TG concentration was reduced from 119±58 to
73±26 mg/dl after 12 wk (P < 0.001) in all subjects"]

The plasma LDL-C concentration, as well as the LDL-C:HDL-C
ratio, did not change during the intervention. In contrast,
plasma HDL-C concentration increased in the EGG group from
1.23 ± 0.39 to 1.47 ± 0.38 mmol/L (P < 0.01),
[47.5 ± 15 to 56.7 ± 15 mmol/L (P < 0.01),]
whereas HDL-C did not change in the SUB group.

Plasma glucose concentrations in fasting subjects did not
change. Eighteen subjects were classified as having the
metabolic syndrome (MetS) at the beginning of the study,
whereas 3 subjects had that classification at the end.

[Just a reminder - ALL were on the CRD]

These results suggest that including eggs in a CRD results
in increased HDL-C while decreasing the risk factors
associated with MetS.

[It also says quite a lot about the benefits of a CRD for
MetS; presumably another paper is on the way or recently
published.]

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 17:35:48 +1000, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>Was "Lipids and Low Carb"
>
>On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
><Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>There was a subsequent citation:
>>Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
>>Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
>>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272
>>
>>Frank

>
>I read this one first. For a long, long time I've been
>querying people who mention a diet including "egg-beaters"
>or other yolk-less forms of eggs. Always their fear was that
>the cholesterol in eggs would raise their cholesterol
>levels.
>
>Well, it appears that they are right if they also reduce
>carbs - but it raises the GOOD cholesterol, HDL.


Cool!

Nicky (eating last bites of her broccoli, cheese and 2x whole egg
omelette breakfast)
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:04 PM
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"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:53he34h1nqtj3cidur3d15g4tepai1qf1p@4ax.com...
> While searching for the full text of the article Susan
> posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
> the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
> but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
> so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
> if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
> abstracts, please do so.
>
> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549
>
> Letters to the Editor
>
> Carbohydrate restriction is effective in improving
> atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss
>
> Dear Sir:
>
> Krauss et al (1) are to be congratulated on the data
> presented in their recent article in the Journal, one of the
> strongest cases for dietary carbohydrate restriction to
> date. At the same time, we have concerns about the
> misleading and confusing way in which the data were
> presented and interpreted and about the scarcity of
> citations of other publications that are supportive of these
> findings (2- 4). Because of the significance of these data
> for health, careful and appropriate conclusions are
> extremely important.
>
> The abstract conclusion, "Moreover, beneficial lipid changes
> resulting from a reduced carbohydrate intake were not
> significant after weight loss," is in contradiction to their
> data, which showed that HDL cholesterol is significantly
> increased by weight loss after carbohydrate restriction, and
> even more so in the subjects receiving a greater percentage
> (15%) of energy from saturated fatty acids (SFA).
>
> The negative conclusion stands in stark contrast to the data
> in the paper that show that carbohydrate restriction is
> effective for improving atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the
> absence of weight loss. The reason most markers were less
> responsive to weight loss induced by the low-carbohydrate
> diet was that they had been improved by carbohydrate
> restriction before weight loss was instituted.
>
> Krauss et al chose not to mention their data on a comparison
> between the high-carbohydrate diet and the low-carbohydrate
> diet higher in SFA. SFA are generally considered
> atherogenic, but the question of whether such an effect
> would be manifest when carbohydrates are restricted remains
> unanswered (5, 6).
>
> The increase in LDL peak particle diameter reported by
> Krauss et al (1) shows the substantial advantage of low
> carbohydrate (with or without SFA) over low fat, again a
> finding previously reported (2, 4, 6-9) but not cited by
> Krauss et al.
>
> Given how difficult it is to lose weight, the data of Krauss
> et al support the notion that carbohydrate restriction is
> the default diet for treatment of atherogenic dyslipidemia.
> Because low-carbohydrate strategies are at least as
> effective at fat reduction as are low-fat diets, it is
> reasonable to conclude that carbohydrate restriction, lower
> or higher in SFA, is the preferred diet for most people and
> especially those with the complex of health markers referred
> to as metabolic syndrome, as we previously suggested (10).
>
> Remarkably, despite these data on the advantages of
> carbohydrate restriction, the report concludes with tired
> "concerns" about lowcarbohydrate diets and a tribute to
> exercise and fiber, variables not included in the study.
> Overall, the authors seem to have had a goal of trying to
> support current official health guidelines rather than a
> goal of trying to bring those guidelines into concordance
> with the scientific data. As suggested by the results of the
> study by Krauss et al, further research should concentrate
> on the lower-carbohydrate, higher-saturated fat diets as a
> therapy for atherogenic dyslipidemia.
>
> None of the authors had a personal or financial conflict of
> interest with respect to the study by Krauss et al.
>
> Eric C Westman
> Department of Medicine
> Duke University Medical Center
> (address details edited)
>
> Jeff S Volek
> Department of Kinesiology
> University of Connecticut
> (address details edited)
>
> Richard D Feinman
> Department of Biochemistry
> SUNY Downstate Medical Center
> (address details edited)
>
> REFERENCES
> 1. Krauss RM, Blanche PJ, Rawlings RS, Fernstrom HS,
> Williams PT.
> Separate effects of reduced carbohydrate intake and weight
> loss on atherogenic dyslipidemia. Am J Clin Nutr
> 2006;83:1025-31.
>
> 2. Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al. A randomized study
> comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a
> conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive
> protein levels in patients with severe obesity.
> Am J Med 2004;117:398-405.
>
> 3. Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Forsythe CE. Modification of
> lipoproteins by very low-carbohydrate diets. J Nutr
> 2005;135:1339-42.
>
> 4. Westman EC, Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Dudley T, Guyton JR.
> Effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program
> compared to a low-fat diet on fasting lipoprotein
> subclasses. Int J Cardiol 2006;110:212- 6.
>
> 5. Volek JS, Forsythe CE. The case for not restricting
> saturated fat on a low carbohydrate diet. Nutr Metab (Lond)
> 2005; 2:21.
>
> 6. Feinman RD, Volek JS. Low carbohydrate diets improve
> atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss.
> Nutr Metab (Lond) 2006;3:24.
>
> 7. Hays JH, DiSabatino A, Gorman RT, Vincent S, Stillabower
> ME. Effect of a high saturated fat and no-starch diet on
> serum lipid subfractions in patients with documented
> atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Mayo Clin Proc
> 2003;78:1331- 6.
>
> 8. Volek J, Sharman M, Gomez A, et al. Comparison of
> energy-restricted very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets on
> weight loss and body composition in overweight men and
> women. Nutr Metab (Lond) 2004;1:13.
>
> 9. Wood RJ, Volek JS, Liu Y, Shachter NS, Contois JH,
> Fernandez ML.
> Carbohydrate restriction alters lipoprotein metabolism by
> modifying VLDL, LDL, and HDL subfraction distribution and
> size in overweight men. J Nutr 2006;136:384 -9.
>
> 10. Volek JS, Feinman RD. Carbohydrate restriction improves
> the features of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome may
> be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction. Nutr
> Metab (Lond) 2005;2:31.
>
> Am J Clin Nutr 2006;84:1549 -55. Printed in USA. 2006
> American Society for Nutrition 1549
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> --
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
> Latest: Bangkok


Thanks Alan. I'm printing this out for later perusal.
--
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
BMI 21.5


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Old 05-25-2008, 09:59 AM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 17:35:48 +1000, Alan S posted:

>Was "Lipids and Low Carb"
>
>On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
><Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>There was a subsequent citation:
>>Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
>>Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
>>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272
>>
>>Frank

>
>I read this one first. For a long, long time I've been
>querying people who mention a diet including "egg-beaters"
>or other yolk-less forms of eggs. Always their fear was that
>the cholesterol in eggs would raise their cholesterol
>levels.


Egg-beaters are an abomination.

>Well, it appears that they are right if they also reduce
>carbs - but it raises the GOOD cholesterol, HDL.


Yup. I eat 2 eggs per day, every day, and occasionally have a few for
lunch or supper. My doctor doesn't like it much, but he has been
unable to prove to me (or himself) that it is a harmful practice,


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Old 05-25-2008, 09:59 AM
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Top posting to save you scrolling all the way through.

I've added a few more links, thanks Frank.

Several of these had common authors, especially Jeff Volek,
but that doesn't negate their value; we just need to be
aware of that. Some were on small samples (15, 29) so some
reserve must be maintained as to the need to do larger
studies.

But if you read them all - even if you only read all the
"conclusions" - then it is unlikely that you will ever go
back to eating low-fat high-carb. Nor would you ever
recommend it to anyone.

In essence these papers, in my opinion, support the
hypothesis that eating a reduced-carb diet (not extreme low
carb, but significantly lower than the SAD) is a very
effective way of improving both lipids (trigs and LDL down,
HDL up) in all people and blood glucose control for us.

I sincerely hope that someone out there is funding a major
study to continue this.

The references:

On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
<Jefferson@comcast.net> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> While searching for the full text of the article Susan
>> posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
>> the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
>> but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
>> so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
>> if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
>> abstracts, please do so.
>>
>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549

>
>http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/6/1549
>I have inserted the links for the articles that were not
>linked above. The Medline cites couldn't be improved.
>REFERENCES
>


>1. Krauss RM, Blanche PJ, Rawlings RS, Fernstrom HS,
>Williams PT. Separate effects of reduced carbohydrate intake
>and weight loss on atherogenic dyslipidemia. Am J Clin Nutr
>2006;83:1025–31.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

Full text pdf:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/83/5/1025>
>
>2. Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al. A randomized study
>comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a
>conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive
>protein levels in patients with severe obesity. Am J Med
>2004;117:398–405.[Medline]

Full text pdf:
http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/140/10/778.pdf
>
>3. Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Forsythe CE. Modification of
>lipoproteins by very low-carbohydrate diets. J Nutr 2005;
>135:1339–42.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

Full text pdf:
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/6/1339
>
>4. Westman EC, Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Dudley T, Guyton JR.
>Effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program compared
>to a low-fat diet on fasting lipoprotein subclasses. Int J
>Cardiol 2006;110:212–6.[Medline]

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16297472
>
>5. Volek JS, Forsythe CE. The case for not restricting
>saturated fat on a low carbohydrate diet. Nutr Metab (Lond)
>2005; 2:21. http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/21
>
>6. Feinman RD, Volek JS. Low carbohydrate diets improve
>atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss.
>Nutr Metab (Lond) 2006;3:24.
>http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/24
>
>7. Hays JH, DiSabatino A, Gorman RT, Vincent S, Stillabower
>ME. Effect of a high saturated fat and no-starch diet on
>serum lipid subfractions in patients with documented
>atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Mayo Clin Proc 2003;
>http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com...a=1&ref=7811a1
>
>
>8. Volek J, Sharman M, Gomez A, et al. Comparison of
>energy-restricted very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets on
>weight loss and body composition in overweight men and women.
>Nutr Metab (Lond) 2004;1:13.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/13
>
>9. Wood RJ, Volek JS, Liu Y, Shachter NS, Contois JH,
>Fernandez ML. Carbohydrate restriction alters lipoprotein
>metabolism by modifying VLDL, LDL, and HDL subfraction
>distribution and size in overweight men. J Nutr 2006;
>136:384–9.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

Full text pdf:
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/2/384
>
>10. Volek JS, Feinman RD. Carbohydrate restriction improves
>the features of metabolic dyndrome. Metabolic syndrome may
>be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction. Nutr
>Metab (Lond) 2005;2:31.
>http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/31

Full text pdf:
http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/co...-7075-2-31.pdf
>
>There was a subsequent citation:
>Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
>Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
>http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272
>
>Frank


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Old 05-26-2008, 02:19 AM
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On Sun, 25 May 2008 01:14:35 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com>
wrote:

>Yup. I eat 2 eggs per day, every day, and occasionally have a few for
>lunch or supper. My doctor doesn't like it much, but he has been
>unable to prove to me (or himself) that it is a harmful practice,


It's a pity that you are a constant source of disappointment for the
poor guy. ;-)

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On May 25, 3:22*am, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Top posting to save you scrolling all the way through.
>
> I've added a few more links, thanks Frank.
>
> Several of these had common authors, especially Jeff Volek,
> but that doesn't negate their value; we just need to be
> aware of that. Some were on small samples (15, 29) so some
> reserve must be maintained as to the need to do larger
> studies.
>
> But if you read them all - even if you only read all the
> "conclusions" - then it is unlikely that you will ever go
> back to eating low-fat high-carb. Nor would you ever
> recommend it to anyone.
>
> In essence these papers, in my opinion, support the
> hypothesis that eating a reduced-carb diet (not extreme low
> carb, but significantly lower than the SAD) is a very
> effective way of improving both lipids (trigs and LDL down,
> HDL up) in all people and blood glucose control for us.
>
> I sincerely hope that someone out there is funding a major
> study to continue this.
>
> The references:
>
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:19 -0400, Jefferson
>
>
>
>
>
> <Jeffer...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Alan S wrote:
> >> While searching for the full text of the article Susan
> >> posted on low-carb and type 2, I came across this letter to
> >> the editor of AJCN from 2006. Possibly you've read it before
> >> but it was new to me. The references also look interesting
> >> so I'll spend some time today trying to find links to them;
> >> if anyone can supply links to full texts, or at least
> >> abstracts, please do so.

>
> >>http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/84/6/1549

>
> >http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/84/6/1549
> >I have inserted the links for the articles that were not
> >linked above. *The Medline cites couldn't be improved.
> >REFERENCES

>
> >1. Krauss RM, Blanche PJ, Rawlings RS, Fernstrom HS,
> >Williams PT. Separate effects of reduced carbohydrate intake
> >and weight loss on atherogenic dyslipidemia. Am J Clin Nutr
> >2006;83:102531.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

>
> Full text pdf:http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/83/5/1025>
>
> >2. Seshadri P, Iqbal N, Stern L, et al. A randomized study
> >comparing the effects of a low-carbohydrate diet and a
> >conventional diet on lipoprotein subfractions and C-reactive
> >protein levels in patients with severe obesity. Am J Med
> >2004;117:398405.[Medline]

>
> Full text pdf:http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/140/10/778.pdf
>
> >3. Volek JS, Sharman MJ, Forsythe CE. Modification of
> >lipoproteins by very low-carbohydrate diets. J Nutr 2005;
> >135:133942.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

>
> Full text pdf:http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/6/1339
>
> >4. Westman EC, Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Dudley T, Guyton JR.
> >Effect of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program compared
> >to a low-fat diet on fasting lipoprotein subclasses. Int J
> >Cardiol 2006;110:2126.[Medline]

>
> http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16297472
>
>
>
>
>
> >5. Volek JS, Forsythe CE. The case for not restricting
> >saturated fat on a low carbohydrate diet. Nutr Metab (Lond)
> >2005; 2:21.http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/21

>
> >6. Feinman RD, Volek JS. Low carbohydrate diets improve
> >atherogenic dyslipidemia even in the absence of weight loss.
> >Nutr Metab (Lond) 2006;3:24.
> >http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/24

>
> >7. Hays JH, DiSabatino A, Gorman RT, Vincent S, Stillabower
> >ME. Effect of a high saturated fat and no-starch diet on
> >serum lipid subfractions in patients with documented
> >atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. Mayo Clin Proc 2003;
> >http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com...a=1&ref=7811a1

>
> >8. Volek J, Sharman M, Gomez A, et al. Comparison of
> >energy-restricted very low-carbohydrate and low-fat diets on
> >weight loss and body composition in overweight men and women.
> >Nutr Metab (Lond) 2004;1:13.

>
> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/13
>
> >9. Wood RJ, Volek JS, Liu Y, Shachter NS, Contois JH,
> >Fernandez ML. Carbohydrate restriction alters lipoprotein
> >metabolism by modifying VLDL, LDL, and HDL subfraction
> >distribution and size in overweight men. J Nutr 2006;
> >136:3849.[Abstract/Free Full Text]

>
> Full text pdf:http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/2/384
>
> >10. Volek JS, Feinman RD. Carbohydrate restriction improves
> >the features of metabolic dyndrome. Metabolic syndrome may
> >be defined by the response to carbohydrate restriction. Nutr
> >Metab (Lond) 2005;2:31.
> >http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/31

>
> Full text pdf:http://nutritionandmetabolism.com/co...7075-2-31..pdf
>
>
>
> >There was a subsequent citation:
> >Dietary Cholesterol from Eggs Increases Plasma HDL Cholesterol in
> >Overweight Men Consuming a Carbohydrate-Restricted Diet -
> >http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/2/272

>
> >Frank

>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> --
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com
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Just for the record--someone on another group posted a study that
showed that eating fat improved risk factors but eating carbs did
not. Reading the whole article informed us that the carbs they fed
the subjects were peppermint patties! No one should jump on a band
wagon based on a study they read unless it is confirmed over and over
by excellent research. Peppermint Patties!!

Dolores
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Old 06-02-2008, 11:17 AM
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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT), dorsy1943
<dtms69@usadatanet.net> wrote:

>
>Just for the record--someone on another group posted a study that
>showed that eating fat improved risk factors but eating carbs did
>not. Reading the whole article informed us that the carbs they fed
>the subjects were peppermint patties! No one should jump on a band
>wagon based on a study they read unless it is confirmed over and over
>by excellent research. Peppermint Patties!!
>
>Dolores


In the post you replied to there were 11 links, most to full
papers.

How much over and over would you like?

How many did you read, to assess their methods and analysis?


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