Living with pricks.

Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
--
Andy H (Type 2 in Greater Vancouver, Canada)

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <sorry@no.thanks>
wrote:

>Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.

I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
than the expert pricks in the hospital.

These were the most important pricks I discovered:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts

In article <mbklh3hp9g2k6f3lksjvmml9qj035bipmd@4ax.com>,
loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com says...
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <sorry@no.thanks>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
> >once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
> >and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
> >right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
> >nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
> >the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>
> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>
> These were the most important pricks I discovered:
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
>
Heh. Thanks Alan. As a newcomer to the forum and to the reality of the
disease, I am blown away by the experiences, experience, warmth and
knowledge in this newsgroup. I have only had to "bozo bin" one poster
so far and guess what, he had to be kill filed 7 years ago when I first
experienced heart disease began to lurk another news group.
One thing my testing has shown me, is what an immediate impact a good
workout can have on the BG level. I wonder..., can a person eat
whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
work it off immediately
--
Andy H (Type 2 in Greater Vancouver, Canada)

Andy H <sorry@no.thanks> wrote:
> In article <mbklh3hp9g2k6f3lksjvmml9qj035bipmd@4ax.com>,
> loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com says...
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <sorry@no.thanks>
>> wrote:

>> >Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>> >once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>> >and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>> >right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>> >nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>> >the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>>
>> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
>> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
>> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>>
>> These were the most important pricks I discovered:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

> Heh. Thanks Alan. As a newcomer to the forum and to the reality of the
> disease, I am blown away by the experiences, experience, warmth and
> knowledge in this newsgroup. I have only had to "bozo bin" one poster
> so far and guess what, he had to be kill filed 7 years ago when I first
> experienced heart disease began to lurk another news group.
> One thing my testing has shown me, is what an immediate impact a good
> workout can have on the BG level. I wonder..., can a person eat
> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
> work it off immediately

As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
on the ends of your legs to move around :-)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:5o0qfsFkh04lU3@mid.individual.net...
> Andy H <sorry@no.thanks> wrote:
>> In article <mbklh3hp9g2k6f3lksjvmml9qj035bipmd@4ax.com>,
>> loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com says...
>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <sorry@no.thanks>
>>> wrote:
>
>>> >Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>>> >once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>>> >and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>>> >right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>>> >nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>>> >the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>>>
>>> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
>>> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
>>> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>>>
>>> These were the most important pricks I discovered:
>>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>> Heh. Thanks Alan. As a newcomer to the forum and to the reality of the
>> disease, I am blown away by the experiences, experience, warmth and
>> knowledge in this newsgroup. I have only had to "bozo bin" one poster
>> so far and guess what, he had to be kill filed 7 years ago when I first
>> experienced heart disease began to lurk another news group.
>> One thing my testing has shown me, is what an immediate impact a good
>> workout can have on the BG level. I wonder..., can a person eat
>> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
>> work it off immediately
>
> As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
> more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
> a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
> exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
> outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
> on the ends of your legs to move around :-)
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
>
Although I must admit that I've had very limited success in lowering my bg
through just plain walking or moving around, I have since diagnosis believed
in the importance of staying generally active - on top of the normal more
intensive exercise, such as going to the gym, or, in my case, riding my
bicycle. It is part of modifying your lifestyle.

I like to move aroung - to walk around, as much as my arthritic feet will
allow.

Henry Mydlarz

In article <471b7853$0$15142$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> , myd!!!
hen@optusnet.com.au says...
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:5o0qfsFkh04lU3@mid.individual.net...
> > Andy H <sorry@no.thanks> wrote:
> >> In article <mbklh3hp9g2k6f3lksjvmml9qj035bipmd@4ax.com>,
> >> loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com says...
> >>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <sorry@no.thanks>
> >>> wrote:
> >
> >>> >Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
> >>> >once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
> >>> >and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
> >>> >right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
> >>> >nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
> >>> >the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
> >>>
> >>> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
> >>> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
> >>> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
> >>>
> >>> These were the most important pricks I discovered:
> >>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
> >
> >> Heh. Thanks Alan. As a newcomer to the forum and to the reality of the
> >> disease, I am blown away by the experiences, experience, warmth and
> >> knowledge in this newsgroup. I have only had to "bozo bin" one poster
> >> so far and guess what, he had to be kill filed 7 years ago when I first
> >> experienced heart disease began to lurk another news group.
> >> One thing my testing has shown me, is what an immediate impact a good
> >> workout can have on the BG level. I wonder..., can a person eat
> >> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
> >> work it off immediately
> >
> > As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
> > more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
> > a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
> > exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
> > outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
> > on the ends of your legs to move around :-)
> >
> > --
> > Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
> > IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
> > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
> >
> Although I must admit that I've had very limited success in lowering my bg
> through just plain walking or moving around, I have since diagnosis believed
> in the importance of staying generally active - on top of the normal more
> intensive exercise, such as going to the gym, or, in my case, riding my
> bicycle. It is part of modifying your lifestyle.
>
> I like to move aroung - to walk around, as much as my arthritic feet will
> allow.
>
> Henry Mydlarz
>
I am very lucky to be in pretty good shape. My job has me on my feet,
walking, lifting for 8 full hours. I'm also lucky to have a treadmill,
eliptical trainer and a home gym in my basement. In fact, I was a non-
smoking bicycle commuter when I had what the surgeon described as a
heart attack at the age of 41. I did far too much binge drinking and
eating of crappy food through my teens and into my early twenties, but
kept pretty good care of myself since then.

--
Andy H (Type 2 in Greater Vancouver, Canada)

On Oct 21, 12:18 am, Andy H <so...@no.thanks> wrote:
> In article <mbklh3hp9g2k6f3lksjvmml9qj035bi...@4ax.com>,
> loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:16:51 GMT, Andy H <so...@no.thanks>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
> > >once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
> > >and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
> > >right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
> > >nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
> > >the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>
> > I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
> > pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
> > than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>
> > These were the most important pricks I discovered:
> >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
> > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> > d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> > --
> >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> > Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts
>
> Heh. Thanks Alan. As a newcomer to the forum and to the reality of the
> disease, I am blown away by the experiences, experience, warmth and
> knowledge in this newsgroup. I have only had to "bozo bin" one poster
> so far and guess what, he had to be kill filed 7 years ago when I first
> experienced heart disease began to lurk another news group.
> One thing my testing has shown me, is what an immediate impact a good
> workout can have on the BG level. I wonder..., can a person eat
> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
> work it off immediately
> --
> Andy H (Type 2 in Greater Vancouver, Canada)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I think whether you can "exercise off" a carb load, probably depends
on how much damage your pancreas has suffered. It seems to be pretty
effective for you. :-) However, some diabetics who progressed
further before diagnosis probably wouldn't be able to exercise enough
to compensate.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

Alan S wrote:
> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
> than the expert pricks in the hospital.

In a church men's room one day long ago...

Pastor walked in and said, "Is this where
all the pricks hang out?"

Not the sort of thing one expects to hear
from a minister, but he turned out to be
a very colorful character.

And now back to your regularly scheduled support.....

--
Wes Groleau

In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:35:54 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

>Alan S wrote:
>> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
>> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
>> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>
>In a church men's room one day long ago...
>
>Pastor walked in and said, "Is this where
>all the pricks hang out?"
>
>Not the sort of thing one expects to hear
>from a minister, but he turned out to be
>a very colorful character.
>
>And now back to your regularly scheduled support.....


The same sort of thoughts crossed my mind, also, Wes and Alan....

Ha, ha...

Will, T2

"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:35:54 GMT, Wes Groleau
><groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>>Alan S wrote:
>>> I suspect the pricks you are doing for yourself, and the
>>> pricks offering advice here, may eventually teach you more
>>> than the expert pricks in the hospital.
>>
>>In a church men's room one day long ago...
>>
>>Pastor walked in and said, "Is this where
>>all the pricks hang out?"
>>
>>Not the sort of thing one expects to hear
>>from a minister, but he turned out to be
>>a very colorful character.
>>
>>And now back to your regularly scheduled support.....
>
>
>The same sort of thoughts crossed my mind, also, Wes and Alan....
>
>Ha, ha...
>
>Will, T2

I always dread a Spoonerism when I tell someone that I'm about to
prick my finger.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> a écrit ...
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote ...
>>
>>> I wonder..., can a person eat
>>> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
>>> work it off immediately
>>
>> As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
>> more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
>> a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
>> exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
>> outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
>> on the ends of your legs to move around :-)


ISTR reading in this place that it is unwise to push your luck in
repeated stresses of the body.

Intuitively, I wouldn't do it.

I have been living with one my entire life and we often have had a lot
of fun together. Also it has been indispensable in my fathering seven
children. After all it is what makes me a male.

I can't help but wonder what the reaction would be if someone were to
put "Living with c&^%s" in a subject line.
--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Please grant me:
the serenity to accept the people I cannot change
the courage to change the one that I can
the wisdom to know that it is me

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:51:07 GMT in Msg.#
<j9vqh3l19bcpuqfhgkos9mgb5ap66vqjjh@4ax.com>, Grandpa Chuck
<GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote:

> I have been living with one my entire life and we often have had a lot
> of fun together. Also it has been indispensable in my fathering seven
> children. After all it is what makes me a male.
>
> I can't help but wonder what the reaction would be if someone were to
> put "Living with c&^%s" in a subject line.

Well, for one thing, the term doesn't mean sticking oneself to test one's
blood, so, ... it wouldn't work.

Meanwhile, it's really not necessary for fathering children, although
another part of male anatomy is.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel

"'Neurotic' means he's not as sensible as I am, and 'psychotic' means he's
even worse than my brother-in-law." - Karl A. Menninger (1893-1990)

Frank t2 <a@b.c> wrote:

> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> a ecrit ...
>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote ...
>>>
>>>> I wonder..., can a person eat
>>>> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym and
>>>> work it off immediately
>>>
>>> As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
>>> more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
>>> a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
>>> exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
>>> outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
>>> on the ends of your legs to move around :-)

> ISTR reading in this place that it is unwise to push your luck in
> repeated stresses of the body.

> Intuitively, I wouldn't do it.

If you don't stress your muscles they degenerate. Same goes for your
tendons and joints and bones, although it takes longer. Our biology is
very economical. What you don't use you lose.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> a écrit ...
> Frank t2 <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> a ecrit ...
>>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote ...
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder..., can a person eat
>>>>> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym
>>>>> and
>>>>> work it off immediately
>>>>
>>>> As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
>>>> more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
>>>> a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
>>>> exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
>>>> outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
>>>> on the ends of your legs to move around :-)
>
>> ISTR reading in this place that it is unwise to push your luck in
>> repeated stresses of the body.
>
>> Intuitively, I wouldn't do it.
>
> If you don't stress your muscles they degenerate. Same goes for your
> tendons and joints and bones, although it takes longer. Our biology is
> very economical. What you don't use you lose.


Would that it were a muscle ...

Andy H wrote:
> Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
> once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
> and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
> right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
> nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
> the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.

I've been playing with my prick for some time now and it's alway high in
the morning.

Broderick Crawford wrote:
> Andy H wrote:
>> Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>> once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>> and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>> right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>> nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>> the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>
> I've been playing with my prick for some time now and it's alway high in
> the morning.

Well, keep it up then. Keep up the bg control, too.

Vicki

Frank t2 <a@b.c> wrote:

> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> a ecrit ...
>> Frank t2 <a@b.c> wrote:
>>
>>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> a ecrit ...
>>>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder..., can a person eat
>>>>>> whatever they want if they are willing to go downstairs to their gym
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> work it off immediately
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as a diabetic eating carbohydrates is concerned, yes. What is
>>>>> more, a little known secret is that it's possible to use your muscles
>>>>> a lot and burn up blood glucose without actually having to use
>>>>> exercise machinery. A good start is simply going outside, not just
>>>>> outside your house, but outside your car too, and using those things
>>>>> on the ends of your legs to move around :-)
>>
>>> ISTR reading in this place that it is unwise to push your luck in
>>> repeated stresses of the body.
>>
>>> Intuitively, I wouldn't do it.
>>
>> If you don't stress your muscles they degenerate. Same goes for your
>> tendons and joints and bones, although it takes longer. Our biology is
>> very economical. What you don't use you lose.

> Would that it were a muscle ...

Oh that thing :-)

Research does seem to suggest that in general whatever is good for the
general fitness of your muscles and cardiovascular system is good
for it too, and whatever is bad for them is bad for it.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0400, Broderick Crawford
<bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote:

>Andy H wrote:
>> Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>> once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>> and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>> right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>> nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>> the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>
>I've been playing with my prick for some time now and it's alway high in
>the morning.

It's easier to finger your prick than to prick your finger.

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:15:32 -0500, zob <garcondeva@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0400, Broderick Crawford
><bcrawford2150@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>>Andy H wrote:
>>> Well, I have been pricking myself upto 5 times a day and some days only
>>> once. I seem to wake up at 5.9 consistantly. I have tested up to 12.6
>>> and just tested a low of 3.2 after a rigorous workout. Feeling shaky
>>> right at the moment. I grabbed a granola bar cause it was the
>>> nearest/easiest thing to grab and eat. I can hardly wait to get into
>>> the hospital to meet with the experts and find out what all this means.
>>
>>I've been playing with my prick for some time now and it's alway high in
>>the morning.
>
>It's easier to finger your prick than to prick your finger.

Ah yes, but it is also easier to have someone special finger you prick
than it is to have them prick your finger.
--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~

Please grant me:
the serenity to accept the people I cannot change
the courage to change the one that I can
the wisdom to know that it is me

Grandpa Chuck wrote:
> Ah yes, but it is also easier to have someone special ...

When I was first diagnosed, I found it much easier
to have someone (special or not) prick my finger
than to do it myself.

--
Wes Groleau

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you
what can't be done and why. Then do it.
-- Robert A. Heinlein