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Old 08-05-2008, 12:46 PM
Chris Malcolm
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Before I was diagnosed (in 2004 at age 62) I had for some time been
moving my diet in a low-carbish direction because I suspected I had a
problem with wheat products, and a lesser problem with dairy
products. Greatly reducing wheat products in my diet must have reduced
my general carb count. It probably also helped to control and slow
down the development of the diabetes/pre-diabetes I was suffering from
without realising it.

Neither I nor my doc realised it because when I asked him about
diabetes, as I did now and then because my mother had developed
diabetes in her middle age, he would test my blood, and sometimes also
do an fbg. My A1C was always under 6, which was considered fine for my
age, and my fbg was a bit higher than normal but "nothing to worry
about," "we'll keep an eye on it," and that very telling remark which
I very stupidly didn't look at with greater suspicion, "It's ok,
you're not diabetic yet."

Then came the fateful day in the Spring of 2004 when I acquired a
cheap BG meter out of curiosity and tested the effect of my favourite
healthy breakfast of a bowl of muesli and milk topped off with a
sliced banana. My BG rocketed past 200!

I took the BG graph to my doc. It so happened he'd just returned from
a conference about diabetes where he'd learned about those odd rare
diabetics who got missed by the usual A1C and fbg tests and required a
GTT for diagnosis, so he was rather pleased to have one of them turn
up in his office :-)

My HbA1c was then 5.6%. My BP was 80/150. Haven't a note of my trigs
but they were apparently high enough to be worrying and warrant a
statin to bring them down. I later worried my doc by deciding to stop
the statin because it seemed to be causing me some confusion and
memory problems. By that time I'd learned enough here to hope that by
keeping my BGs mostly below 140 pp, lowish carbing, losing weight, and
taking more exercise, I could get the trigs and blood pressure down.

I was due to retire at age 67, and all my financial plans made that
assumption. I took early retirement in the summer of 2004 in order to
spend less time at a desk and more time on my feet out of doors. I had
decided that swopping my health for a larger pension was a really
stupid thing to be doing.

I now seem to have reached a plateau with my current d&e regime, which
is mostly diet for BG control, and irregular exercise which improves
general fitness and strength but is too irregular to play any part in
local daily BG control. The regime consists of trying to avoid any BG
spike at any time of over 140, and being mostly but not entirely
successful. I still succemb to the temptation of the occasional carby
treat when I feel low, which usually pretty much ruins my BG control
for the rest of the day by setting up a cycle of hunger and snacking.

My last two HbA1c readings have been 5.4%. My trigs have very slightly
dropped but not enough for my doc to stop worrying. My LDL/HDL ratio
has improved a bit and is now 3.7. My BP seems to have stabilised now
at around 65/150. a drop in the diastolic but not the systolic. I've
dropped my BMI from 23 to 20.5. My doc and my wife both think I'd be
healthier if I put on a bit more weight, but my view is that I'm still
an overweight skinny person who could do with losing a bit more round
the waist, that nasty visceral adipose tissue.

Apart from clinical measurements I feel a lot better. I'm stronger and
fitter, have pretty much ceased to suffer from occasional
uncomfortable episodes of irregular heart beats, and have got rid of
most of the neuropathy in my feet. But all those things too have
stabilised and no further improvements are happening.

Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
further.

Every bit of embarrassment helps with the self-discipline :-)

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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Old 08-05-2008, 12:46 PM
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Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> [ . . . ]
> Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
> improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
> exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
> discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
> slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
> further.
>
> Every bit of embarrassment helps with the self-discipline :-)


Good on ya, Chris! Can't wait for my foot to get better, so I can do more
than neck and arm exercises.

Reports of successes and failures are expected, of course. ;-)

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Old 08-05-2008, 02:16 PM
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x-no-archive: yes

Chris Malcolm wrote:

> Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
> improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
> exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
> discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
> slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
> further.
>
> Every bit of embarrassment helps with the self-discipline :-)
>



Hey, Chris, I'm all for dietary and other means of control tightening.
I've also personally experienced a cut in my TGLs from 120 to 67 with
the supplement silymarin (milk thistle), which has a lot of good
research backing it for liver detox and enhancement.

Good luck.

Susan
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:24 PM
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"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I took the BG graph to my doc. It so happened he'd just returned from
> a conference about diabetes where he'd learned about those odd rare
> diabetics who got missed by the usual A1C and fbg tests and required a
> GTT for diagnosis, so he was rather pleased to have one of them turn
> up in his office :-)
>


They aren't all that rare -- it's just that nobody ever actually looked for
them & most routine checkup blood tests seem to done fasting; I never had an
A1c before diagnosis (& not even then until a few weeks later), though I did
have (I think) some sort of GTT back in the 1970's -- lost in the mist of
history.

I was diagnosed because my doc-at-the-time *didn't* require fasting tests, I
turned up with a random bg >200, she followed that up with a fasting
fingerstick (not even another lab test) >126 & Bingo! "that's diagnostic,
you have diabetes...."
bj


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Old 08-05-2008, 04:29 PM
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On 2008-08-05, bgl <bjones44@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:6fqti3FcocesU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> I took the BG graph to my doc. It so happened he'd just returned from
>> a conference about diabetes where he'd learned about those odd rare
>> diabetics who got missed by the usual A1C and fbg tests and required a
>> GTT for diagnosis, so he was rather pleased to have one of them turn
>> up in his office :-)
>>

>
> They aren't all that rare -- it's just that nobody ever actually looked for
> them & most routine checkup blood tests seem to done fasting; I never had an
> A1c before diagnosis (& not even then until a few weeks later), though I did
> have (I think) some sort of GTT back in the 1970's -- lost in the mist of
> history.
>
> I was diagnosed because my doc-at-the-time *didn't* require fasting tests, I
> turned up with a random bg >200, she followed that up with a fasting
> fingerstick (not even another lab test) >126 & Bingo! "that's diagnostic,
> you have diabetes...."
> bj
>
>

Alright. For this dummy, what is a GTT?????
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:59 PM
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"nobody" <annonymous@none.com> wrote in message
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>>

> Alright. For this dummy, what is a GTT?????


You're not a dummy for not knowing jargon & acronyms!

GTT= Glucose Tolerance Test.
You take a specific slug of glucose & have blood drawn before & at specific
intervals after & see your bg results. It can indicate a glucose-handling
problem -- spike & crash; spike & not-come-down; etc.
bj


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Old 08-05-2008, 06:44 PM
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On Aug 5, 12:33*pm, "bgl" <bjone...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "nobody" <annonym...@none.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fY-dnUQRFuzu4wXVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > Alright. *For this dummy, what is a GTT?????

>
> You're not a dummy for not knowing jargon & acronyms!
>
> GTT= Glucose Tolerance Test.
> You take a specific slug of glucose & have blood drawn before & at specific
> intervals after & see your bg results. It can indicate a glucose-handling
> problem -- spike & crash; spike & not-come-down; etc.
> bj


BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT? Is it 200+ BG at a specific time
point or 200 at any point during the test. I've never been quite clear
on that.

John C.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:02 PM
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congrats on the year of progress!

I hope i can claim to be a success story too years from now.

I am exercising alot now and WOW ..i feel like im 20 afain..lol

My wife is um...pleased with the changes and is er...rewardign me..lol..

Why anyone would fight to remain sick as some do is crazy to me..feeling
good and knowing im gonna keep my eyes and digits and can move and enjoy
living and loving..is beyound me...feeling as good as i do i hope to never
return to how bad i felt pre dx.


I know now that god forbid i get hurt and cant walk..id get a regular ride
from a mobility ride service to a pool and swim like mad to keep in shape if
thats all i could do..becuase its so important to move..i realised i was
sitting at my desk 8 hours a day then on the sofa another
6-8...rediculous..so now i watch tv standing and walking in place or riding
recumbant bike or using treadmill on low speed..it has made a huge
difference


Sorry for the mini rant..lol..i just finished a ton of yardwork and am high
on endorphins....mmm..sweet sweet endorphins..

:-)


KROM

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote >
> Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
> improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
> exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
> discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
> slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
> further.
>
> Every bit of embarrassment helps with the self-discipline :-)
>
>



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Old 08-05-2008, 09:05 PM
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On 2008-08-05, bgl <bjones44@verizon.net> wrote:
> "nobody" <annonymous@none.com> wrote in message
> news:fY-dnUQRFuzu4wXVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>

>> Alright. For this dummy, what is a GTT?????

>
> You're not a dummy for not knowing jargon & acronyms!
>
> GTT= Glucose Tolerance Test.
> You take a specific slug of glucose & have blood drawn before & at specific
> intervals after & see your bg results. It can indicate a glucose-handling
> problem -- spike & crash; spike & not-come-down; etc.
> bj
>
>

Ahh, that's what the old "multi-phasic" procedure had us do; but the "cheat"
was it was dispensed from a soda machine labeled "7-up" & hard to drink even
if it was cold...didn't fool anyone as to the taste.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:01 PM
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On 5 Aug 2008 11:57:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
>improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
>exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
>discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
>slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
>further.


goodonya Be nice if you could get that systolic down, too. I keep
reading that for you elderly types <ducks>, systolic is far more
diagnostic than diastolic, which follows an inverted U curve with age
anyway.

Plans for the exercise? Is it going to be safe to visit Edinburgh at
all, for madly cycling Chrisses or similar? Mind you, the parking and
the 1-way system always does a number on my BP! :P

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4% BMI 25
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:07 PM
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John C. wrote:
> On Aug 5, 12:33 pm, "bgl" <bjone...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "nobody" <annonym...@none.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fY-dnUQRFuzu4wXVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Alright. For this dummy, what is a GTT?????

>> You're not a dummy for not knowing jargon & acronyms!
>>
>> GTT= Glucose Tolerance Test.
>> You take a specific slug of glucose & have blood drawn before & at specific
>> intervals after & see your bg results. It can indicate a glucose-handling
>> problem -- spike & crash; spike & not-come-down; etc.
>> bj

>
> BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT? Is it 200+ BG at a specific time
> point or 200 at any point during the test. I've never been quite clear
> on that.
>
> John C.


trying to remember....... i think it's 200 at 2 hours

i'll see if i can find a link for that

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Old 08-06-2008, 12:00 AM
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT), "John C."
<jcarney44@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT? Is it 200+ BG at a specific time
>point or 200 at any point during the test. I've never been quite clear
>on that.
>
>John C.


There are conflicting answers. I haven't time to look it up
right now, but IIRC the World Health Organisation criteria
are worded in a way that means that exceeding
11.1mmol/l(200) at any time during the OGTT is diagnostic.
To me that is sensible. However, several UK people and some
USA people have reported that their doctors only diagnosed
if it exceeded 11.1(200) at the two-hour mark. I believe
that is a mis-reading of the OGTT criteria by those doctors
or the organisations which set their guidelines.

Apart from OGTT's, the ADA diagnostic criteria state that a
repeated random glucose reading of >200 is diagnostic. The
cite for that is:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...suppl_1/s43#T2
go to table 2:
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...suppl_1/s43/T2

That reference also includes this interesting note:
"The third measure (OGTT) is not recommended for routine
clinical use."

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:00 AM
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On 5 Aug 2008 11:57:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm
<cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> My BP seems to have stabilised now at around 65/150.



Thank you, and congratulations on, the excellent progress
report.

On this point, are you doing anything specific to reduce
that pulse pressure of 85? Personally, I use a medication
variously known as Shiraz, Merlot, Cabernet Suavignon and
similar.

You might find it worth-while to do a little reading on
pulse pressure:
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/160/8/1085

http://tinyurl.com/5q344g

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:00 AM
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"John C." <jcarney44@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT?


http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pub...osis/index.htm

A fasting plasma glucose test measures your blood glucose after you have
gone at least 8 hours without eating. This test is used to detect diabetes
or pre-diabetes.

An oral glucose tolerance test measures your blood glucose after you have
gone at least 8 hours without eating and 2 hours after you drink a
glucose-containing beverage. This test can be used to diagnose diabetes or
pre-diabetes.

In a random plasma glucose test, your doctor checks your blood glucose
without regard to when you ate your last meal. This test, along with an
assessment of symptoms, is used to diagnose diabetes but not pre-diabetes.

Fasting Plasma Glucose Test
Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis
==============================================
99 and below Normal
100 to 125 Pre-diabetes (impaired fasting glucose)
126 and above Diabetes*

Oral Glucose Tolerance Test (OGTT)
Research has shown that the OGTT is more sensitive than the FPG test for
diagnosing pre-diabetes, but it is less convenient to administer. The OGTT
requires you to fast for at least 8 hours before the test. Your plasma
glucose is measured immediately before and 2 hours after you drink a liquid
containing 75 grams of glucose dissolved in water.If your blood glucose
level is between 140 and 199 mg/dL 2 hours after drinking the liquid, you
have a form of pre-diabetes called impaired glucose tolerance or IGT,
meaning that you are more likely to develop type 2 diabetes but do not have
it yet. A 2-hour glucose level of 200 mg/dL or above, confirmed by repeating
the test on another day, means that you have diabetes.

Oral Glucose Tolerance Test
2-Hour Plasma Glucose Result (mg/dL) Diagnosis
==============================================
139 and below Normal
140 to 199 Pre-diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance)
200 and above Diabetes*

*Confirmed by repeating the test on a different day.


Random Plasma Glucose Test
A random blood glucose
==============================================
level of 200 mg/dL or more, plus presence of
the following symptoms, can mean that you have diabetes:

increased urination
increased thirst
unexplained weight loss
Other symptoms include fatigue, blurred vision, increased
hunger, and sores that do not heal. Your doctor will
check your blood glucose level on another day using
the FPG or the OGTT to confirm the diagnosis.

hth
Gys


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Old 08-06-2008, 12:00 AM
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nobody <annonymous@none.com> wrote:
> On 2008-08-05, bgl <bjones44@verizon.net> wrote:
> > "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > [ . . . ]
> > They aren't all that rare -- it's just that nobody ever actually looked
> > for them & most routine checkup blood tests seem to done fasting; I
> > never had an A1c before diagnosis (& not even then until a few weeks
> > later), though I did have (I think) some sort of GTT back in the 1970's
> > [ . . . ]

> Alright. For this dummy, what is a GTT?????


Glucose Tolerance Test.

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Old 08-06-2008, 03:11 AM
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"John C." <jcarney44@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 12:33=A0pm, "bgl" <bjone...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > "nobody" <annonym...@none.com> wrote in message


> > > Alright. =A0For this dummy, what is a GTT?????

> >
> > You're not a dummy for not knowing jargon & acronyms!
> >
> > GTT=3D Glucose Tolerance Test.
> > You take a specific slug of glucose & have blood drawn before & at
> > specif=

> ic
> > intervals after & see your bg results. It can indicate a
> > glucose-handling problem -- spike & crash; spike & not-come-down; etc.
> > bj

>
> BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT? Is it 200+ BG at a specific time
> point or 200 at any point during the test. I've never been quite clear
> on that.


I had a GTT a few years before I was dx'd with T2. Don't remember the
numbers, but after my dx, my GP told me to never have a GTT again.

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Old 08-06-2008, 09:44 AM
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Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes


> Chris Malcolm wrote:


>> Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
>> improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
>> exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
>> discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
>> slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
>> further.
>>
>> Every bit of embarrassment helps with the self-discipline :-)


> Hey, Chris, I'm all for dietary and other means of control tightening.
> I've also personally experienced a cut in my TGLs from 120 to 67 with
> the supplement silymarin (milk thistle), which has a lot of good
> research backing it for liver detox and enhancement.


> Good luck.


Thanks. Since those blood tests a helpful neice pointed out the
virtues of silymarin to me so I've already started that.

--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:49 AM
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Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2008 11:57:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:


>>Bother! If I want to get off this plateau and make further
>>improvements I'm going to have to eat less carbs and take more
>>exercise. So this is by way of a public announcement that dietary
>>discipline and BG monitoring are going to tighten up, and my various
>>slightly too high clinical parameters are going to drop a bit
>>further.


> goodonya Be nice if you could get that systolic down, too. I keep
> reading that for you elderly types <ducks>, systolic is far more
> diagnostic than diastolic, which follows an inverted U curve with age
> anyway.


> Plans for the exercise? Is it going to be safe to visit Edinburgh at
> all, for madly cycling Chrisses or similar? Mind you, the parking and
> the 1-way system always does a number on my BP! :P


I don't do madly any more. My cardiologist advises strongly against it
:-).

My basic recipe for exercise is simply to take opportunities to use my
muscles instead of motors to do things for me. So for example I don't
use a car, and try to do as much as possible of my general utility
transport by bicycle. One of the most frequent reasons I'll take a bus
or taxi unstead of cycling is when I need to carry stuff that's a bit
awkward to manage on a bicycle. So I've got myself a luggage trailer
for the bike. It's proving so useful I'm kicking myself for not having
got it ages ago.

Apart from that I plan to do more walking around my rather photogenic
city with a camera. In order to improve the exercise qualities of my
photographic walks it's a heavy camera. Once your muscles have got
used to carrying a heavy camera around you can then add a tripod and
so on.

I'm trying to develop interests like that which require walking around
outside carrying stuff. I've met up with some local photographers and
we regularly meet to walk around photogenic places. It turns out that
Edinburgh also happens to host some internationally well regarded
photography colleges so there's a good local population of expertise,
photographic galleries and shops etc.. And I've just landed my second
invite to exhibit which helps the motivation :-)

I may even manage to motivate myself to do a bit more than the few
minutes a week of weight training I currently do rather sporadically.
A few minutes a week is very easy to do, and is surprisingly
beneficial compared to doing nothing. But at my age (65) I find that
if I want to get significantly stronger I need to do something pretty
strenuous more than once a week. I'm a great fan of the permanent
handy pull up bar in a doorway which you can use in passing as you
wander about the house.

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Old 08-06-2008, 11:49 AM
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Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2008 11:57:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm
> <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:


>> My BP seems to have stabilised now at around 65/150.


> Thank you, and congratulations on, the excellent progress
> report.


> On this point, are you doing anything specific to reduce
> that pulse pressure of 85? Personally, I use a medication
> variously known as Shiraz, Merlot, Cabernet Suavignon and
> similar.


> You might find it worth-while to do a little reading on
> pulse pressure:
> http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/160/8/1085


> http://tinyurl.com/5q344g


Interesting. It suggests that having lowered my diastolic pressure
while keeping pretty much the same systolic actually represents an
increased cardiovascular risk factor. On the other hand I used to
suffer quite often (once a weekish) from uncomfortable and distressing
episodes of irregular heart beats, plus a few times a year unpleasant
episodes of angina (chest pains etc.). It's been a couple of years now
since I had any angina, and the irregular heart beat episodes now only
occur a few times a year and are much milder and of shorter duration.

The toughest cardiovascular thing I ever do is going up my local
favourite hill, the last bit of which is a really steep scrambling
walk for about half an hour. It's my heart which limits my speed
there, and I have to take it fairly slowly if I'm to avoid having to
stop and rest once or twice on the way up. I was surprised and pleased
to notice recently that plodding slowly up there while feeling a bit
off colour actually got me to the top in the fastest time I've ever
recorded in the last five years. So I've obviously managed to increase
my general cardiovascular capacity quite a bit in the last few years.

I'm a bit suspicious of cardiovascular medication. There's an awful
lot of assumptions and pseudo end points in cardiovascular risk
research. Same kind of nonsense as we're familiar with in the area of
diabetic diet.

In fact since I've discovered that kind of silliness in every one of
the few medical research areas I've so far looked into in detail, I'm
starting to shift from believing it to be an odd characteristic of
those specific areas of medical research to being a general
characteristic of all medical research.

So my plan to improve my cardiovascular system so far is simply to
take more exercise and eat less manufactured food, and to eat animals
which take more exercise and eat less manufactured food.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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Old 08-06-2008, 11:49 AM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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friend Chris Malcolm wrote:
>
> Before I was diagnosed (in 2004 at age 62) I had for some time been
> moving my diet in a low-carbish direction because I suspected I had a
> problem with wheat products, and a lesser problem with dairy
> products. Greatly reducing wheat products in my diet must have reduced
> my general carb count. It probably also helped to control and slow
> down the development of the diabetes/pre-diabetes I was suffering from
> without realising it.
>
> Neither I nor my doc realised it because when I asked him about
> diabetes, as I did now and then because my mother had developed
> diabetes in her middle age, he would test my blood, and sometimes also
> do an fbg. My A1C was always under 6, which was considered fine for my
> age, and my fbg was a bit higher than normal but "nothing to worry
> about," "we'll keep an eye on it," and that very telling remark which
> I very stupidly didn't look at with greater suspicion, "It's ok,
> you're not diabetic yet."
>
> Then came the fateful day in the Spring of 2004 when I acquired a
> cheap BG meter out of curiosity and tested the effect of my favourite
> healthy breakfast of a bowl of muesli and milk topped off with a
> sliced banana. My BG rocketed past 200!
>
> I took the BG graph to my doc. It so happened he'd just returned from
> a conference about diabetes where he'd learned about those odd rare
> diabetics who got missed by the usual A1C and fbg tests and required a
> GTT for diagnosis, so he was rather pleased to have one of them turn
> up in his office :-)
>
> My HbA1c was then 5.6%. My BP was 80/150. Haven't a note of my trigs
> but they were apparently high enough to be worrying and warrant a
> statin to bring them down. I later worried my doc by deciding to stop
> the statin because it seemed to be causing me some confusion and
> memory problems. By that time I'd learned enough here to hope that by
> keeping my BGs mostly below 140 pp, lowish carbing, losing weight, and
> taking more exercise, I could get the trigs and blood pressure down.
>
> I was due to retire at age 67, and all my financial plans made that
> assumption. I took early retirement in the summer of 2004 in order to
> spend less time at a desk and more time on my feet out of doors. I had
> decided that swopping my health for a larger pension was a really
> stupid thing to be doing.
>
> I now seem to have reached a plateau with my current d&e regime, which
> is mostly diet for BG control, and irregular exercise which improves
> general fitness and strength but is too irregular to play any part in
> local daily BG control. The regime consists of trying to avoid any BG
> spike at any time of over 140, and being mostly but not entirely
> successful. I still succemb to the temptation of the occasional carby
> treat when I feel low, which usually pretty much ruins my BG control
> for the rest of the day by setting up a cycle of hunger and snacking.


If you truly believed that hunger is wonderful, you would no longer
suffer from the irrational compulsion to snack when you are euglycemic
(i.e. hungry):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...8812d72ab4e17?

Be hungrier, which is being more euglycemic more often.

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Old 08-06-2008, 09:20 PM
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:35:24 -0600, Tiger_Lily <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>John C. wrote:


>> BJ, what are the Dx criteria for GTT? Is it 200+ BG at a specific time
>> point or 200 at any point during the test. I've never been quite clear
>> on that.


>trying to remember....... i think it's 200 at 2 hours
>
>i'll see if i can find a link for that


Technically, yes.

However if you go over 200 at any time that counts as one towards the
two readings of over 200 at any time required for diagnosis

<fume> it's like the arguments about how many angels can dance on the
head of a pin
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:04 PM
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On 6 Aug 2008 10:43:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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>It turns out that
>Edinburgh also happens to host some internationally well regarded
>photography colleges so there's a good local population of expertise,
>photographic galleries and shops etc.. And I've just landed my second
>invite to exhibit which helps the motivation :-)


Cool! Congrats : )

>I may even manage to motivate myself to do a bit more than the few
>minutes a week of weight training I currently do rather sporadically.


You could maximise it by doing slow burn? I get good results from the
half hour of weight training I do a week, without your testosterone
advantages...

>I'm a great fan of the permanent
>handy pull up bar in a doorway which you can use in passing as you
>wander about the house.


Yeah. But I need a house with taller door jambs : )

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4% BMI 25
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Old 08-06-2008, 11:44 PM
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"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> However if you go over 200 at any time that counts as one towards the
> two readings of over 200 at any time required for diagnosis
>


It was a random (lab) test >200 that got me the "come in again" from the
doctor. A fasting fingerstick >126 to confirm & you know the rest.
bj


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Old 08-07-2008, 10:46 PM
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On 6 Aug 2008 10:43:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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I want to be you when I grow up!

>Apart from that I plan to do more walking around my rather photogenic
>city with a camera. In order to improve the exercise qualities of my
>photographic walks it's a heavy camera. Once your muscles have got
>used to carrying a heavy camera around you can then add a tripod and
>so on.


Yes I have about five kilos of kit, plus the tripod, plus a
(birdwatching) telescope for those extra workouts

>I'm trying to develop interests like that which require walking around
>outside carrying stuff. I've met up with some local photographers and
>we regularly meet to walk around photogenic places. It turns out that
>Edinburgh also happens to host some internationally well regarded
>photography colleges so there's a good local population of expertise,
>photographic galleries and shops etc.. And I've just landed my second
>invite to exhibit which helps the motivation :-)
>
>I may even manage to motivate myself to do a bit more than the few
>minutes a week of weight training I currently do rather sporadically.
>A few minutes a week is very easy to do, and is surprisingly
>beneficial compared to doing nothing. But at my age (65) I find that
>if I want to get significantly stronger I need to do something pretty
>strenuous more than once a week. I'm a great fan of the permanent
>handy pull up bar in a doorway which you can use in passing as you
>wander about the house.


Try getting some compost bins, digging them out and then turning the
stuff back in again (that was yesterday today and tomorrow's workout)

then the hedge needs trimming again, and the lawn

all makes work for non-idle hands
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