Low carb conspiracy

This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.

The problem it will take a generation to find
the answers.

But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.

If you like it, do it and RELAX.

Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.

The includes the food and medical industry.

At least the oil situation may lead to more walking
and that seems to be important.

Stress is a verified killer.


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guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>
> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
>
> The problem it will take a generation to find
> the answers.
>
> But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
>
> If you like it, do it and RELAX.
>
> Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
>
> The includes the food and medical industry.
>
> At least the oil situation may lead to more walking
> and that seems to be important.
>
> Stress is a verified killer.


Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
more dangerous than helpful to them.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:29 -0500, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
wrote:

>guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>>
>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
>>
>> The problem it will take a generation to find
>> the answers.
>>
>> But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
>>
>> If you like it, do it and RELAX.
>>
>> Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
>>
>> The includes the food and medical industry.
>>
>> At least the oil situation may lead to more walking
>> and that seems to be important.
>>
>> Stress is a verified killer.
>
>
>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
>more dangerous than helpful to them.

It will twke many years to say much about this except it seem to make
blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus.
I will not be around to find out.

Hell, do anythng you find that helps

I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your
health. Relax and enjoy your life.

We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
does the best we can.

In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.


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friend Uncle Enrico wrote:
> convicted friend Guy (guys@consolidated.net) wrote:
> >>
> > This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
> >
> > The problem it will take a generation to find
> > the answers.
> >
> > But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
> >
> > If you like it, do it and RELAX.
> >
> > Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
> >
> > The includes the food and medical industry.
> >
> > At least the oil situation may lead to more walking
> > and that seems to be important.
> >
> > Stress is a verified killer.
>
>
> Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
> countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
> more dangerous than helpful to them.

Actually, no diet has been shown to make either animals or people
healthier thereby extending their lifespan.

Only eating less, down to the optimal amount, has been shown to help
animals become healthier thereby even doubling their lifespan.

Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren

guys@consolidated.net wrote:

>
> I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your
> health. Relax and enjoy your life.
>

That's good advice for one and all.

"Uncle Enrico" <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsCcCj.2941$Rq1.1286@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>>
>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
>>
>> The problem it will take a generation to find
>> the answers.
>>
>> But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
>>
>> If you like it, do it and RELAX.
>>
>> Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
>>
>> The includes the food and medical industry.
>>
>> At least the oil situation may lead to more walking and that seems to be
>> important.
>>
>> Stress is a verified killer.
>
>
> Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
> countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are more
> dangerous than helpful to them.

And no one is making any money out of me eating lower carb. I get to
preserve my limbs, eyes & kidneys, keep good cardiovascular health all by
just reducing my carbs to a point where I don't have out of range bg's. I
buy no books, I don't recommend commercial diets to other people, in short
my good bg control and health is down to making a few small changes in my
diet and exercise levels. But that seems to be a very bad thing in some
people's eyes.

said...

> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
> does the best we can.
>
> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.


Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.

Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)

Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.

Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">

Andy
--
6'3, 197lbs.
HBP (Dx 1978/Rx 1995)
Pancreatitus (Dx Christmas Day, 2004)
Gout (Dx/Rx May 2007) dormant/mild aggravation
T2 (Dx Nov. 2007) A little late?!!
9-yrs-old (Steps on dead tree branch, falls 20 feet, breaks right arm)
50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg)
"Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown

<guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:ijmit31se8t63167p7s8in884en6ju47jj@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:29 -0500, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>>>
>>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
>>>
>>> The problem it will take a generation to find
>>> the answers.
>>>
>>> But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
>>>
>>> If you like it, do it and RELAX.
>>>
>>> Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
>>>
>>> The includes the food and medical industry.
>>>
>>> At least the oil situation may lead to more walking
>>> and that seems to be important.
>>>
>>> Stress is a verified killer.
>>
>>
>>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
>>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
>>more dangerous than helpful to them.
>
> It will twke many years to say much about this except it seem to make
> blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus.
> I will not be around to find out.

What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have
cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss section in
there. Low carb!
>
> Hell, do anythng you find that helps
>
> I still say getting your drawers in a knot is very poor for your
> health. Relax and enjoy your life.

Who is doing that? You? Kind of seems that way.
>
> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
> does the best we can.
>
> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.

Okay...

Andy wrote:
> said...
>
>> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
>> does the best we can.
>>
>> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
>
>
> Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
> reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
>
> Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
>
> Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
>
> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>
> Andy

oh no Andy! sorry to hear this

i hope it heals quickly for you

kate

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:58:19 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>news:ijmit31se8t63167p7s8in884en6ju47jj@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:29 -0500, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
>>>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
>>>more dangerous than helpful to them.
>>
>> It will twke many years to say much about this except it seem to make
>> blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus.
>> I will not be around to find out.
>
>What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have
>cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss section in
>there. Low carb!

Mother can remember eating less carbs to lose weight going right back
to the twenties. And I can remember it still being recommended up to
the seventies or so, before the low fat fad replaced it. So it has
been around for quite a long time , , ,

"Trinkwasser" <spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:58:19 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>>news:ijmit31se8t63167p7s8in884en6ju47jj@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:27:29 -0500, Uncle Enrico <Uncle@nospam.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>>Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
>>>>countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are
>>>>more dangerous than helpful to them.
>>>
>>> It will twke many years to say much about this except it seem to make
>>> blood sugar control easier. NO one can say this a long term plus.
>>> I will not be around to find out.
>>
>>What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have
>>cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss section
>>in
>>there. Low carb!
>
> Mother can remember eating less carbs to lose weight going right back
> to the twenties. And I can remember it still being recommended up to
> the seventies or so, before the low fat fad replaced it. So it has
> been around for quite a long time , , ,

Yep.

Julie Bove said...

> What? Low carb diets have been around for longer than I have. I have
> cookbooks from the 1940's and they have a dieting for weight loss
> section in there. Low carb!


Julie,

I have a boxed two volume set of Gourmet Magazine recipes (about 14,000)
from 1957-1959, Mom learned to gourmet cook from, THEN Pop started having
heart attacks.

They didn't play the saturated, trans, poly-un or mono-un-sat fat game back
then and cholesterol wasn't discovered yet, I don't think. They didn't have
nutrient labels at that time either.

It was a more "grow out" than "grow up" two volume set.

I've cooked from it for years, VERY occasionally.

Andy
--
T2
HBP
Gout

Tiger_Lily said...

> Andy wrote:
>> said...
>>
>>> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
>>> does the best we can.
>>>
>>> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
>>
>>
>> Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
>> reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
>>
>> Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
>>
>> Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
>>
>> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
leg
>> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
under
>> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>
>> Andy
>
> oh no Andy! sorry to hear this
>
> i hope it heals quickly for you
>
> kate


kate,

Thanks!

It only hurts when I walk! <GRIN/FROWN>

At least I'll get to try out the on-line supermarket and drug-store
shopping & delivery systems. I'm pretty well stocked for food but low on BG
strips.

I already called the garbage collection company for a "garage door" pickup.
It's too far to the curb for awhile.

Best,

Andy
Ask me if I HATE stairs!

Andy wrote in message ...

>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
leg
>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
under
>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>
>Andy


Speedy healing Andy.

Cheri

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:Xns9A60C2E863B57cotd@216.196.97.136...
> Tiger_Lily said...
>
>> Andy wrote:
>>> said...
>>>
>>>> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
>>>> does the best we can.
>>>>
>>>> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
>>> reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
>>>
>>> Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
>>>
>>> Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
>>>
>>> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
> leg
>>> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
> under
>>> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> oh no Andy! sorry to hear this
>>
>> i hope it heals quickly for you
>>
>> kate
>
>
> kate,
>
> Thanks!
>
> It only hurts when I walk! <GRIN/FROWN>
>
> At least I'll get to try out the on-line supermarket and drug-store
> shopping & delivery systems. I'm pretty well stocked for food but low on
> BG
> strips.
>
> I already called the garbage collection company for a "garage door"
> pickup.
> It's too far to the curb for awhile.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
> Ask me if I HATE stairs!

Wow! I didn't know they would come to the door to pick up the trash.
Wonder if they will do that here? I got an online supermarket delivery once
and it was great!

Julie Bove said...

> Wow! I didn't know they would come to the door to pick up the trash.
> Wonder if they will do that here? I got an online supermarket delivery
> once and it was great!


I've seen a mini garbage truck back into the neighbor's driveway on trash
days, so I rang up the garbage company and it's $20.00 extra every billing
cycle ($55.00/two months, so it's $75), with no long term commitment. A great
deal, in my condition.

Best,

Andy

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:14:35 +1100, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>
>"Uncle Enrico" <Uncle@nospam.com> wrote in message
>newsCcCj.2941$Rq1.1286@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com.. .
>> guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>>>>
>>> This thing is taking on aspects of a religion.
>>>
>>> The problem it will take a generation to find
>>> the answers.
>>>
>>> But too much cocern over lo carbs is a bad thing.
>>>
>>> If you like it, do it and RELAX.
>>>
>>> Greedy people alway try to make money by any means.
>>>
>>> The includes the food and medical industry.
>>>
>>> At least the oil situation may lead to more walking and that seems to be
>>> important.
>>>
>>> Stress is a verified killer.
>>
>>
>> Diabetics are getting healthy through low carb diets despite all the
>> countervailing messages from many sources who advise diets that are more
>> dangerous than helpful to them.
>
>And no one is making any money out of me eating lower carb. I get to
>preserve my limbs, eyes & kidneys, keep good cardiovascular health all by
>just reducing my carbs to a point where I don't have out of range bg's. I
>buy no books, I don't recommend commercial diets to other people, in short
>my good bg control and health is down to making a few small changes in my
>diet and exercise levels. But that seems to be a very bad thing in some
>people's eyes.
>
I cannot understand why some people arre so paranoid when any
post has anything that does not endorse lo catb as a miracle. If
it works, use it. Others may find that they are not the same as you.

I cannot ignore history and scientific principles. We do the best we
can with what we have. So many changes in my 30 years at this game.

AND we still do not have many answers. I am sure that some thngs I
do, will prove to be wrong in the future. I do the best I can with
what I have. I post sayuig we do ot now all and so many plausible
book are actualy non factual. They make someone rich.


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Cheri said...

>
> Andy wrote in message ...
>
>>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
> leg
>>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
> under
>>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>
>>Andy
>
>
> Speedy healing Andy.
>
> Cheri


Cheri,

Thanks!

Best,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:Xns9A60D268CDFD9cotd@216.196.97.136...
> Julie Bove said...
>
>> Wow! I didn't know they would come to the door to pick up the trash.
>> Wonder if they will do that here? I got an online supermarket delivery
>> once and it was great!
>
>
> I've seen a mini garbage truck back into the neighbor's driveway on trash
> days, so I rang up the garbage company and it's $20.00 extra every billing
> cycle ($55.00/two months, so it's $75), with no long term commitment. A
> great
> deal, in my condition.

Would be nice! I don't know that we have such a service here though.

Andy wrote:

> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>
> Andy

But did ya try flapping yer arms on the way down? Please repeat and let
us know :-) Maybe you need longer arms.

(- -)
=m=(_)=m=
RodS T2
Australia
> --
> 6'3, 197lbs.
> HBP (Dx 1978/Rx 1995)
> Pancreatitus (Dx Christmas Day, 2004)
> Gout (Dx/Rx May 2007) dormant/mild aggravation
> T2 (Dx Nov. 2007) A little late?!!
> 9-yrs-old (Steps on dead tree branch, falls 20 feet, breaks right arm)
> 50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg)
> "Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:26:11 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">

Oh, no! Sympathy!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

On Mar 13, 2:26*pm, Andy <q> wrote:
> *said...
>
> > We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
> > does the best we can.
>
> > In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
>
> Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
> reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
>
> Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
>
> Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
>
> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>
> Andy
> --
> 6'3, 197lbs.
> HBP (Dx 1978/Rx 1995)
> Pancreatitus (Dx Christmas Day, 2004)
> Gout (Dx/Rx May 2007) dormant/mild aggravation
> T2 (Dx Nov. 2007) A little late?!!
> 9-yrs-old (Steps on dead tree branch, falls 20 feet, breaks right arm)
> 50-yrs-old (Falls one story, breaks right leg)
> "Old age isn't so bad when you consider the alternat_.ve." --Unknown

Sorry about the fractured leg, Andy. Yikes! Be kind to yourself
while you heal.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:17:14 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
wrote:

>
>Andy wrote in message ...
>
>>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
>leg
>>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
>under
>>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>
>>Andy
>
>
>Speedy healing Andy.
>
>Cheri

SAME.

I hadn't been following the latest "conspiracy" and almost missed
Andy's post.

Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery.
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Quentin Grady said...

> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:17:14 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Andy wrote in message ...
>>
>>>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
>>leg
>>>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
>>under
>>>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>>
>>Speedy healing Andy.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> SAME.
>
> I hadn't been following the latest "conspiracy" and almost missed
> Andy's post.
>
> Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery.


Thanks!

I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are
killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
before I left, rather just sized them to me.

They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared (the
ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic place
24/7 no doubt.

I see the bone doctor on Monday.

Best,

Andy

Andy wrote in message ...

>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits
are
>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
>before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>
>They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared
(the
>ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic
place
>24/7 no doubt.
>
>I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>
>Best,
>
>Andy

What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let
you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure
it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
:-)

Cheri

Andy wrote:
> Quentin Grady said...
>
>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:17:14 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>> Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my
>>> leg
>>>> on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird
>>> under
>>>> his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Speedy healing Andy.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>> SAME.
>>
>> I hadn't been following the latest "conspiracy" and almost missed
>> Andy's post.
>>
>> Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are
> killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
> before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>
> They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared (the
> ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic place
> 24/7 no doubt.
>
> I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
the crutches aren't supposed to be up to your armpits, or you will be
really sore

you support the weight of your body with your arms, onto the handle of
the crutches

ya, it's tricky to get used to

kate

Cheri said...

> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let
> you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure
> it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
>:-)
>
> Cheri


Cheri,

I thought that was strange too! On overnight stays, they insisted I get
wheelchaired outside.

They gave me a 600mg Motrin before leaving (since I drove myself there) and
a paper script for 10 Percoset pills. Very strong stuff I now know!!!

I also bought a box of plain ibuprofen. I also have my Indocen (same thing
[for gout]). No dopiness, just anti-inflamatory. And I know NOT to mix
each.

Best,

Andy

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:l7mdnUL3qv1Tq0banZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>
> Andy wrote in message ...
>
>>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits
> are
>>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
>>before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>>
>>They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared
> (the
>>ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic
> place
>>24/7 no doubt.
>>
>>I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Andy
>
> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let
> you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure
> it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
> :-)

The only time I've been required to ride in one is after I had the baby. I
remember going to the ER because I couldn't walk and they did nothing for me
but tell me I had diabetes, needed to lose 10 pounds and see my Dr. Sent me
on my merry way, banging into walls and falling over, just like I was when I
came in there.

On 3/14/08 8:39 PM, in article l7mdnUL3qv1Tq0banZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@softcom.net,
"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:

>
> Andy wrote in message ...
>
>> I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits
> are
>> killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
>> before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>>
>> They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared
> (the
>> ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic
> place
>> 24/7 no doubt.
>>
>> I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>
> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let
> you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure
> it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
> :-)
>
> Cheri
>
>
Firstly, condolences Andy. Do you know anyone who can teach you how to use
them. It's easier with 2 crutches than one.

Secondly, I understand the no wheelchair. Last Monday, I had to bring my
husband home after surgery. They sent me down to the main floor where they
have wheelchairs chained together like the supermarkets. I put a $1.00 coin
in the slot and it released it. When I got my husband downstairs and I out,
just like the Safeway, I put the wheelchair back and got my dollar back. How
things have changed! Remember the days when they insisted that a nurse wheel
you to the edge of the property. They told me that before the chain method
they were losing all the $1200 wheelchairs and it got too expensive.

--
Martha T2 Canada
1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia

Julie Bove said...

>
> "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
> news:l7mdnUL3qv1Tq0banZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
>>
>> Andy wrote in message ...
>>
>>>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits
>> are
>>>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
>>>before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>>>
>>>They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared
>> (the
>>>ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic
>> place
>>>24/7 no doubt.
>>>
>>>I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Andy
>>
>> What? No wheelchair? That is strange, since around here they don't let
>> you leave the hospital without a wheelchair for any reason. I'm sure
>> it's painful, so hopefully they did give you something for the pain.
>> :-)
>
> The only time I've been required to ride in one is after I had the baby.
> I remember going to the ER because I couldn't walk and they did nothing
> for me but tell me I had diabetes, needed to lose 10 pounds and see my
> Dr. Sent me on my merry way, banging into walls and falling over, just
> like I was when I came in there.


And I thought MY experience was skewed!

Best,

Andy

MI said...

> Firstly, condolences Andy. Do you know anyone who can teach you how to
> use them. It's easier with 2 crutches than one.
>
> Secondly, I understand the no wheelchair. Last Monday, I had to bring my
> husband home after surgery. They sent me down to the main floor where
> they have wheelchairs chained together like the supermarkets. I put a
> $1.00 coin in the slot and it released it. When I got my husband
> downstairs and I out, just like the Safeway, I put the wheelchair back
> and got my dollar back. How things have changed! Remember the days when
> they insisted that a nurse wheel you to the edge of the property. They
> told me that before the chain method they were losing all the $1200
> wheelchairs and it got too expensive.


Martha,

I wish we all didn't have the same gripe!!!

Best,

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:Xns9A61F03E444C9cotd@216.196.97.136...
> MI said...
>
>> Firstly, condolences Andy. Do you know anyone who can teach you how to
>> use them. It's easier with 2 crutches than one.
>>
>> Secondly, I understand the no wheelchair. Last Monday, I had to bring my
>> husband home after surgery. They sent me down to the main floor where
>> they have wheelchairs chained together like the supermarkets. I put a
>> $1.00 coin in the slot and it released it. When I got my husband
>> downstairs and I out, just like the Safeway, I put the wheelchair back
>> and got my dollar back. How things have changed! Remember the days when
>> they insisted that a nurse wheel you to the edge of the property. They
>> told me that before the chain method they were losing all the $1200
>> wheelchairs and it got too expensive.
>
>
> Martha,
>
> I wish we all didn't have the same gripe!!!

At my MIL's nursing home,all of the wheelchairs have these huge poles on
them so they can't be put in the trunk of the car. There is a little park
outside and the poles just fit under the door. But you can't really take
them anywhere else unless you are walking with them.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:11:30 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

>>>
>>>Speedy healing Andy.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> SAME.
>>
>> I hadn't been following the latest "conspiracy" and almost missed
>> Andy's post.
>>
>> Best wishes Andy on a speedy recovery.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>I'm trying to reduce to one crutch. I'm clumsy with both. My armpits are
>killing me. They didn't give me the "Crutches 101" class at Emergency
>before I left, rather just sized them to me.
>
>They wished me well, Doc and I shook hands and then they disappeared (the
>ghost treatment?). They didn't even wheelchair me outside. A frantic place
>24/7 no doubt.
>
>I see the bone doctor on Monday.
>
>Best,
>
>Andy

G'day G'day Andy,

It can be like that. When one gets past the inevitable waiting at A
and E into a ward one often gets incredible attention from the nursing
staff. Perhaps its just human nature but it is common for the
attention to vaporize as their minds move on to the next client. Even
if they don't physically disappear their minds do. It doesn't
surprise me that you didn't get a wheelchair ride outside on the way
out though you probably may well have gotten brought in on stretcher.

FWIIW it pays to prepare for one's exit with chocolate biscuits. Stop
laughing. That's what you have visitors for. When they ask you if
there is something you like you say, "Chocolate biscuits." They
aren't for you but to display on your locker to maintain nursing
interest as your time in hospital moves on. <grin>

My nurses loved the grapes a friend brought in.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:26:11 -0500, Andy <q> wrote:

> said...
>
>> We are a long way from understanding diabetes so each of us
>> does the best we can.
>>
>> In the last 30 years my ideas have changed a lot.
>
>
>Yepper. In the last year, so have mine! In that time I had to invent and
>reinvent my diet twice, not counting HBP.
>
>Calories from: Fat (35%), Carbs (38%), Protein (27%)
>
>Lost 50 pounds since gout Dx. All diseases in acceptable ranges.
>
>Then I go and fall off the ladder cleaning my gutters and fracture my leg
>on Monday. Just a reaffirmation that Man will never fly like a bird under
>his own power. <CRACK!/"OW!!!">

What have you learned from this? Do NOT step back to see how well you
are doing.

Any idea what causes the gout?

I ask because mother just had a horrendous attack.

Only time she'd had it before, it was due to a diuretic - this was
proved when they put her back on it and she got gout again <sigh>

This time none of her meds were changed and we can't think of anything
particular which might have set it off, except possibly a plate of
whitebait, or rhubarb, both of which she'd been eating previously with
no problems.