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11-03-2007, 09:56 AM
| | |  Low carb diet and diabetes
There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
at http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
someone elso also had similar experiences? |
11-03-2007, 09:56 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Nov 2, 11:14 pm, mamtar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
> athttp://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
> someone elso also had similar experiences?
Hi mamtarai,
I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
I am sure you know that proteins and fats can convert to glucose.
Usually this convertion is an energy requiring process and therefore
synthesis of glucose will only be in amounts needed by the body. We
have seen that overexpression of genes in the biosynthetic pathway in
some patients skews the biosynthetic processes and such patients
suffer a diabetic relapse like symptoms despite a low carb diet.
Complex carbohydrates with medication is the best option for such
patients
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11-03-2007, 09:56 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
<mamtarai2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194063254.721009.99020@o38g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
> at http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
> someone elso also had similar experiences?
You apparently haven't been here for long. Do a search and you'll find that
low carb diets have been discussed extensively here. Works for some. Not
others. There is no one diet we all follow. However, it is not advised for
ANYONE to eat just protein and fats. One needs the vitamins and minerals in
low carb vegetables as well. |
11-03-2007, 09:56 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
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11-03-2007, 09:56 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:54:02 -0000, mamtarai2@yahoo.com
wrote:
>On Nov 2, 11:14 pm, mamtar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>> athttp://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
>> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>> someone elso also had similar experiences?
>
>Hi mamtarai,
>
>I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
>for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
>I am sure you know that proteins and fats can convert to glucose.
>Usually this convertion is an energy requiring process and therefore
>synthesis of glucose will only be in amounts needed by the body. We
>have seen that overexpression of genes in the biosynthetic pathway in
>some patients skews the biosynthetic processes and such patients
>suffer a diabetic relapse like symptoms despite a low carb diet.
>Complex carbohydrates with medication is the best option for such
>patients
If you're going to play Dorothy Dix, it's wise to set it up
so one of you is Dorothy and the other is Dix.
Hilarious:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
-- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Psyllium, Fibre, Muesli and Nuts |
11-03-2007, 01:19 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Nov 3, 7:22 am, percy <vbeausol...@nowhere.bum> wrote:
> Ozgirl wrote:
> > Why did you answer yourself?
>
> Seems the sock never quite made it to the other foot...
>
> Vicki
>
>
>
>
>
> > <mamtar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Hi mamtarai,
>
> >> I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
> >> for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
>
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > mamtar...@yahoo.com- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Was really with a clinician friend who answered it for me. I am
surprised you guys noticed it. I was just testing if the replies to
this post would work.
Thanks pointing it out though.
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11-03-2007, 03:43 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
In article <1194094791.669644.71920@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>, mamtarai2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 3, 7:22 am, percy <vbeausol...@nowhere.bum> wrote:
> > Ozgirl wrote:
> > > Why did you answer yourself?
> >
> > Seems the sock never quite made it to the other foot...
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > <mamtar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >> Hi mamtarai,
> >
> > >> I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
> > >> for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
> >
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com
> > > mamtar...@yahoo.com- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> Was really with a clinician friend who answered it for me. I am
> surprised you guys noticed it. I was just testing if the replies to
> this post would work.
> Thanks pointing it out though.
Riiiiiiight.
Buzz off.
Priscilla |
11-03-2007, 05:37 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
<mamtarai2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1194065642.387928.149370@z9g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
> On Nov 2, 11:14 pm, mamtar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>> athttp://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
>> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>> someone elso also had similar experiences?
>
> Hi mamtarai,
>
> I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
> for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
> I am sure you know that proteins and fats can convert to glucose.
> Usually this convertion is an energy requiring process and therefore
> synthesis of glucose will only be in amounts needed by the body. We
> have seen that overexpression of genes in the biosynthetic pathway in
> some patients skews the biosynthetic processes and such patients
> suffer a diabetic relapse like symptoms despite a low carb diet.
> Complex carbohydrates with medication is the best option for such
> patients
ROFLMAO!!!
John C.
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11-03-2007, 07:43 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:14:14 +0000, mamtarai2 wrote:
> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
> at http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
> someone elso also had similar experiences?
It's probably best not to eliminate carbs from the diet. Even Dr. Berstein
recommends 30 grams/day. |
11-06-2007, 06:14 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
>> > Seems the sock never quite made it to the other foot...
>> >
>> > Vicki
LOL
Thank you for summa rising the situation succinctly.
The little pretender underlined his incompetence admirably.
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Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
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11-06-2007, 10:09 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:54:02 -0000, mamtarai2@yahoo.com wrote:
>On Nov 2, 11:14 pm, mamtar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>> athttp://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/08/22/5383.html. However I
>> have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>> diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>> loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>> carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>> She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>> someone elso also had similar experiences?
>
>Hi mamtarai,
>
>I am a clinician and I know that complex carbohydrates are essential
>for some patients to delay absoption of nutrients from the intestine.
>I am sure you know that proteins and fats can convert to glucose.
>Usually this convertion is an energy requiring process and therefore
>synthesis of glucose will only be in amounts needed by the body. We
>have seen that overexpression of genes in the biosynthetic pathway in
>some patients skews the biosynthetic processes and such patients
>suffer a diabetic relapse like symptoms despite a low carb diet.
>Complex carbohydrates with medication is the best option for such
>patients
why are you answering yourself and pretending not to be the same
person?
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11-06-2007, 10:09 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:14:14 -0000, mamtarai2@yahoo.com wrote:
>There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>at. However I
>have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>someone elso also had similar experiences?
there is a major difference between low carb and attempting to go zero
carb.
--
Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt
(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins
DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
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11-06-2007, 10:09 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:28:38 +1300, Quentin Grady
<quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
>>> > Seems the sock never quite made it to the other foot...
>>> >
>>> > Vicki
>
>LOL
>
> Thank you for summa rising the situation succinctly.
>
>The little pretender underlined his incompetence admirably.
damn, if you get dissed by Quentin, you have really got to be
worthless.
--
Måck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt
(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------
"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins
DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
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11-07-2007, 01:29 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:58:06 -0500, MÄck©® <IAM@One.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:14:14 -0000, mamtarai2@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>>at. However I
>>have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>>diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>>loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>>carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>>She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>>someone elso also had similar experiences?
>
>
>there is a major difference between low carb and attempting to go zero
>carb.
I don't know of anyone who seriously advocates zero carb, except those
in dire emergency, or perhaps cat people... and maybe Eskimos in the
winter.
Will, T2 |
11-07-2007, 04:25 AM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:58:06 -0500, MÄck©® <IAM@One.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:14:14 -0000, mamtarai2@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>There is great new article on control of diabetes with low carb diet
>>>at. However I
>>>have a friend who went on a totally low carb diet and substituted her
>>>diet completely with proteins and fats. After a few months of weight
>>>loss her diabetes worsened and she was recommended complex
>>>carbohydrates (such as parboiled brown rice) to substitute her food.
>>>She is better now. I would appreciate more inputs on this aspect. Has
>>>someone elso also had similar experiences?
>>
>>
>>there is a major difference between low carb and attempting to go zero
>>carb.
>
>
> I don't know of anyone who seriously advocates zero carb, except those
> in dire emergency, or perhaps cat people... and maybe Eskimos in the
> winter.
Cat people? Bride of Wildenstein? |
11-07-2007, 10:01 PM
| | | Re: Low carb diet and diabetes
On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:10:09 -0500, "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net>
wrote:
>I don't know of anyone who seriously advocates zero carb, except those
>in dire emergency, or perhaps cat people...
?? Do elaborate, Will! 
Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
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