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Old 05-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Susan
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Low-carbohydrate diet in type 2 diabetes: stable improvement of bodyweight
and glycemic control during 44 months follow-up.
Jorgen V Nielsen and Eva A Joensson
Nutrition & Metabolism 2008, 5:14doi:10.1186/1743-7075-5-14

Published:22 May 2008

Background
Low-carbohydrate diets, due to their potent antihyperglycemic effect,
are an
intuitively attractive approach to the management of obese patients with
type 2 diabetes. We previously reported that a 20 % carbohydrate diet was
significantly superior to a 55-60 % carbohydrate diet with regard to
bodyweight and glycemic control in 2 groups of obese diabetes patients
observed closely over 6 months (intervention group, n = 16; controls, n=15)
and we reported maintenance of these gains after 22 months. The present
study documents the degree to which these changes were preserved in the
low-carbohydrate group after 44 months observation time, without close
follow-up. In addition, we assessed the performance of the two thirds of
control patients from the high-carbohydrate diet group that had changed
to a
low-carbohydrate diet after the initial 6 month observation period. We
report cardiovascular outcome for the low-carbohydrate group as well as the
control patients who did not change to a low-carbohydrate diet.

Method
Retrospective follow-up of previously studied subjects on a low
carbohydrate
diet.

Results
The mean bodyweight at the start of the initial study was 100.6+/-14.7 kg.
At six months it was 89.2+/- 14.3 kg. From 6 to 22 months, mean bodyweight
had increased by 2.7+/- 4.2 kg to an average of 92.0 ± 14.0 kg. At 44
months average weight has increased from baseline g to 93.1+/- 14.5 kg. Of
the sixteen patients, five have retained or reduced bodyweight since the 22
month point and all but one have lower weight at 44 months than at start.
The initial mean HbA1c was 8.0 ± 1.5 %. After 6, 12 and 22 months,HbA1c
was 6.1+/- 1.0 %, 7.0 ± 1.3 % and 6.9 ± 1.1 % respectively. After 44
months mean HbA1c is 6.8 ± 1.3 %. Of the 23 patients who have used a
low-carbohydrate diet and for whom we have long-term data, two have
suffered
a cardiovascular event while four of the six controls who never changed
diet
have suffered several cardiovascular events.

Conclusion
Advice to obese patients with type 2 diabetes to follow a 20 % carbohydrate
diet with some caloric restriction has lasting effects on bodyweight and
glycemic control
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:36 AM
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On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:49:15 -0400, Susan
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Low-carbohydrate diet in type 2 diabetes: stable improvement of bodyweight
>and glycemic control during 44 months follow-up.
>Jorgen V Nielsen and Eva A Joensson
>Nutrition & Metabolism 2008, 5:14doi:10.1186/1743-7075-5-14
>
>Published:22 May 2008


Thanks Susan

For those interested I found the abstract here:
http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=abstract&id=175137


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:33 AM
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Alan S wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:49:15 -0400, Susan
> <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>Low-carbohydrate diet in type 2 diabetes: stable improvement of bodyweight
>>and glycemic control during 44 months follow-up.
>>Jorgen V Nielsen and Eva A Joensson
>>Nutrition & Metabolism 2008, 5:14doi:10.1186/1743-7075-5-14
>>
>>Published:22 May 2008

>
>
> Thanks Susan
>
> For those interested I found the abstract here:
> http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=abstract&id=175137
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.


Citations of the 22 months follow-up, i.e., 2008 articles.
http://tinyurl.com/5cvrmn

Frank
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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Low-carbohydrate diet in type 2 diabetes: stable improvement of bodyweight
> and glycemic control during 44 months follow-up.
> Jorgen V Nielsen and Eva A Joensson
> Nutrition & Metabolism 2008, 5:14doi:10.1186/1743-7075-5-14
>
> Published:22 May 2008


Thx Susan
Here is a free review in 2008 (note the authors):

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...medid=18397522

Nutr Metab (Lond). 2008 Apr 8;5:9
Dietary carbohydrate restriction in type 2 diabetes mellitus and metabolic
syndrome: time for a critical appraisal.

Accurso A, Bernstein RK, Dahlqvist A, Draznin B, Feinman RD, Fine EJ, Gleed
A, Jacobs DB, Larson G, Lustig RH, Manninen AH, McFarlane SI, Morrison K,
Nielsen JV, Ravnskov U, Roth KS, Silvestre R, Sowers JR, Sundberg R, Volek
JS, Westman EC, Wood RJ, Wortman J, Vernon MC.
State University of New York Downstate Medical Center, Brooklyn, New York,
USA. rfeinman@downstate.edu.

ABSTRACT: Current nutritional approaches to metabolic syndrome and type 2
diabetes generally rely on reductions in dietary fat. The success of such
approaches has been limited and therapy more generally relies on
pharmacology. The argument is made that a re-evaluation of the role of
carbohydrate restriction, the historical and intuitive approach to the
problem, may provide an alternative and possibly superior dietary strategy.
The rationale is that carbohydrate restriction improves glycemic control and
reduces insulin fluctuations which are primary targets. Experiments are
summarized showing that carbohydrate-restricted diets are at least as
effective for weight loss as low-fat diets and that substitution of fat for
carbohydrate is generally beneficial for risk of cardiovascular disease.
These beneficial effects of carbohydrate restriction do not require weight
loss. Finally, the point is reiterated that carbohydrate restriction
improves all of the features of metabolic syndrome.

PMID: 18397522

hth
Gys


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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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The free ,provisional,text of the article has just been released :

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...-7075-5-14.pdf

hth
Gys


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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:59:06 +0200, "GysdeJongh"
<jongh711@planet.nl> wrote:

>"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>news:69o3qbF33ivtdU4@mid.individual.net...
>
>The free ,provisional,text of the article has just been released :
>
>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...-7075-5-14.pdf
>
>hth
>Gys
>

Thx Gys

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com

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Old 05-24-2008, 02:38 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:59:06 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl>
wrote:

>"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>news:69o3qbF33ivtdU4@mid.individual.net...
>
>The free ,provisional,text of the article has just been released :
>
>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...-7075-5-14.pdf


Wow!!
"The initial mean HbA1c in 2003 in the low-carbohydrate group was 8.0
± 1.5 % (controls: 7.9
± 1.5 %). At the end of the 6 months study period it was 6.6 ± 1.0 %
(controls: 7.3 ± 1.8 %),
and after 12 months it was 7.0 ± 1.3 %. It has since remained stable
and is 6.8 ± 1.3 % after
44 months.
<snip>
In the low-carbohydrate group bodyweight and HbA1c is still
significantly lower than before
start. The bodyweight of 7 patients (43 %) is still 10 % below the
initial weight, the original
goal of the study. The success rate almost 4 years later is thus 43 %
as compared to zero in
the control group. "

One to hit the doctor with, next time I see him!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:04 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:55:35 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:59:06 +0200, "GysdeJongh" <jongh711@planet.nl>
>wrote:
>
>>"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>news:69o3qbF33ivtdU4@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>The free ,provisional,text of the article has just been released :
>>
>>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.co...-7075-5-14.pdf

>
>Wow!!
>"The initial mean HbA1c in 2003 in the low-carbohydrate group was 8.0
>± 1.5 % (controls: 7.9
>± 1.5 %). At the end of the 6 months study period it was 6.6 ± 1.0 %
>(controls: 7.3 ± 1.8 %),
>and after 12 months it was 7.0 ± 1.3 %. It has since remained stable
>and is 6.8 ± 1.3 % after
>44 months.
><snip>
>In the low-carbohydrate group bodyweight and HbA1c is still
>significantly lower than before
>start. The bodyweight of 7 patients (43 %) is still 10 % below the
>initial weight, the original
>goal of the study. The success rate almost 4 years later is thus 43 %
>as compared to zero in
>the control group. "
>
>One to hit the doctor with, next time I see him!


Point him to the website

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com

some excellent stuff on there
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Old 05-24-2008, 10:45 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:00:41 +0100, Trinkwasser
<spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:55:35 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>wrote:
>>One to hit the doctor with, next time I see him!

>
>Point him to the website
>
>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com
>
>some excellent stuff on there


Nah - he thinks the internet is full of misinformation, far too
dangerous to go there; but he's clearly read paper stuff I've dropped
on his desk before.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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Old 05-26-2008, 08:18 PM
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On Sat, 24 May 2008 22:31:25 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 24 May 2008 19:00:41 +0100, Trinkwasser
><spam@devnull.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 May 2008 09:55:35 +0100, Nicky <ukc802466929@btconnect.com>
>>wrote:
>>>One to hit the doctor with, next time I see him!

>>
>>Point him to the website
>>
>>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com
>>
>>some excellent stuff on there

>
>Nah - he thinks the internet is full of misinformation, far too
>dangerous to go there; but he's clearly read paper stuff I've dropped
>on his desk before.


So print it out, make it look Official
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Old 05-26-2008, 11:02 PM
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Nicky wrote:
> Nah - he thinks the internet is full of misinformation, far too
> dangerous to go there; but he's clearly read paper stuff I've dropped
> on his desk before.


I bet the PDF version doesn't look like it came from the internet. :-)

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Old 05-27-2008, 02:34 PM
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:47:18 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

>Nicky wrote:
>> Nah - he thinks the internet is full of misinformation, far too
>> dangerous to go there; but he's clearly read paper stuff I've dropped
>> on his desk before.

>
>I bet the PDF version doesn't look like it came from the internet. :-)


Good point!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
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