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The "Low Fat High Carb" lie
  1. #1
    Kurt Guest

    Default The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.

    It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    in here like confetti.

    Kurt


  2. #2
    sometimers Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On 5/8/2010 5:04 PM, Kurt wrote:
    > In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    > continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    > truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    > doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    > carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    > fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    > carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.
    >
    > It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    > in here like confetti.
    >
    > Kurt
    >


    Yes.


  3. #3
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie


    "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    > continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    > truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    > doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    > carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    > fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    > carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.
    >
    > It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    > in here like confetti.


    I don't really know what the ADA pushes and don't really care. Not that I
    think they really "push" anything. I do know that the dieticians I have
    seen have been keen on low fat diets. Not necessarily high carb ones. And
    certainly not the last one I saw.



  4. #4
    [email protected] | Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On May 8, 3:04*pm, Kurt <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    > In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    > continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    > truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    > doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    > carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    > fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    > carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.
    >
    > It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    > in here like confetti.
    >
    > Kurt


    What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    per day.


  5. #5
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On Sun, 9 May 2010 03:23:19 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]
    |" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On May 8, 3:04*pm, Kurt <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    >> continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    >> truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    >> doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    >> carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    >> fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    >> carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.
    >>
    >> It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    >> in here like confetti.
    >>
    >> Kurt

    >
    >What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    >meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    >levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    >per day.


    And the lipids.

  6. #6
    Helen Back Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On 9 May, 11:23, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
    <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 8, 3:04*pm, Kurt <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    > > continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    > > truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    > > doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    > > carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    > > fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    > > carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.

    >
    > > It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    > > in here like confetti.

    >
    > > Kurt

    >
    > What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    > meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    > levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    > per day.


    If I followed the advice of my diabetes care adviser, Id have high bg
    constantly - thats all I know!

  7. #7
    Michael Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On 5/10/2010 6:09 AM, Helen Back wrote:
    > On 9 May, 11:23, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
    > <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> On May 8, 3:04 pm, Kurt<kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    >>> continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    >>> truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    >>> doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    >>> carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    >>> fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    >>> carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.

    >>
    >>> It's important to make that distinction when words are thrown around
    >>> in here like confetti.

    >>
    >>> Kurt

    >>
    >> What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    >> meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    >> levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    >> per day.

    >
    > If I followed the advice of my diabetes care adviser, Id have high bg
    > constantly - thats all I know!


    Hi Tracy,

    I have to question whether those who defend the ADA diet are doing so
    out of some form of denial. It is difficult to accept that we must
    change our diets radically to neutralize the effects of T2. It would be
    easier to simply go with the ADA and eat more or less the carbs you want.

    I am going by the experience of my wife. Hers is an ongoing study of 12
    years that is a success story. I differ from her somewhat in that I take
    met. She has never taken any medication for T2.

    However, we both eat the same diet more or less. For me it is less. I
    eat fewer carbs than does she. My limit is 10 per day. Hers is about 20.

    We can argue back and forth all day about the efficacy of different
    treatments. In the end, I will follow what I have seen first hand that
    works. It is my body and I want to minimize my risks.

    I am currently doing yet another experiment. My FBG wanders in the
    morning. It will be up if I do not drink the rum at night. It will be up
    if I sleep extra long. But, there is some other variable that I have not
    yet found. Right now I am testing my night time salads. It appears at
    first glance that if I eat my large salad late at night (9:00 pm), this
    produces a low FBG in the morning. This happens even if I sleep late. It
    will take much more testing and charting to confirm.

    Michael

  8. #8
    Chris Malcolm Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 5/10/2010 6:09 AM, Helen Back wrote:
    >> On 9 May, 11:23, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
    >> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> On May 8, 3:04 pm, Kurt<kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    >>>> continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    >>>> truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    >>>> doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    >>>> carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    >>>> fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it is high
    >>>> carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.


    >>> What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    >>> meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    >>> levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    >>> per day.

    >>
    >> If I followed the advice of my diabetes care adviser, Id have high bg
    >> constantly - thats all I know!


    > Hi Tracy,


    > I have to question whether those who defend the ADA diet are doing so
    > out of some form of denial. It is difficult to accept that we must
    > change our diets radically to neutralize the effects of T2. It would be
    > easier to simply go with the ADA and eat more or less the carbs you want.


    When eating with a gang of acquaintances in a pub or cafe I often find
    myself explaining my odd menu choice to folk. "Diabetic -- have to
    avoid white starchy stuff" is what I usually say. I'm almost always
    told of diabetics they know who can eat as many potatoes as they
    like. Sadly so do I. Then someone quite often tells me that if they
    weren't able to eat potatoes life wouldn't be worth living. With stern
    self control I refrain from any of the obvious and impolite ripostes
    :-)

    > I am currently doing yet another experiment. My FBG wanders in the
    > morning. It will be up if I do not drink the rum at night. It will be up
    > if I sleep extra long.


    Interesting. Do you eat or drink something on waking which arrests the
    rise that would otherwise have happened by the time you would have got
    up if you'd slept extra late? Or does the mere fact of rising earlier
    stop it from rising?

    --
    Chris Malcolm

  9. #9
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On 10 May 2010 23:15:23 GMT, Chris Malcolm <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I am currently doing yet another experiment. My FBG wanders in the
    >> morning. It will be up if I do not drink the rum at night. It will be up
    >> if I sleep extra long.

    >
    >Interesting. Do you eat or drink something on waking which arrests the
    >rise that would otherwise have happened by the time you would have got
    >up if you'd slept extra late? Or does the mere fact of rising earlier
    >stop it from rising?


    Yes a lot of diabetics mainly Type 2s find this, and sometimes the
    means of controlling it may differ significantly, either different
    balances of fat and protein (and red wine) at night or different
    breakfast protocols, it's literally suck it and see.

    I hardly ever get abnormal FBG but that's only because my body lays in
    wait until I *do* something. getting a handle on BG that jumped up
    after morning exercise and went low after afternoon exercise took a
    bit of work

  10. #10
    Michael Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie




    "Chris Malcolm" wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Michael wrote:
    > > On 5/10/2010 6:09 AM, Helen Back wrote:
    > >> On 9 May, 11:23, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
    > >> wrote:
    > >>> On May 8, 3:04 pm, Kurt wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> In this newsgroup there are a few vocal think-they-know-it-alls that
    > >>>> continue to push sound bytes that are not grounded in reality or
    > >>>> truth. One of the biggest lies they push is that the ADA and many
    > >>>> doctors and nutritionists advise people with diabetes to eat a "high
    > >>>> carb" and "low fat" diet. Not true. It is only higher carb and lower
    > >>>> fat than what the think-they-know-it-alls eat. Doesn't mean it

    is high
    > >>>> carb or low fat or wrong or bad, only that they disagree with it.

    >
    > >>> What I do know for sure is what the meter says. And the
    > >>> meter says keep the carbs very low and the blood glucose
    > >>> levels are far better at around 50 grams of total carbs
    > >>> per day.
    > >>
    > >> If I followed the advice of my diabetes care adviser, Id have high bg
    > >> constantly - thats all I know!

    >
    > > Hi Tracy,

    >
    > > I have to question whether those who defend the ADA diet are doing so
    > > out of some form of denial. It is difficult to accept that we must
    > > change our diets radically to neutralize the effects of T2. It would be
    > > easier to simply go with the ADA and eat more or less the carbs you

    want.
    >
    > When eating with a gang of acquaintances in a pub or cafe I often find
    > myself explaining my odd menu choice to folk. "Diabetic -- have to
    > avoid white starchy stuff" is what I usually say. I'm almost always
    > told of diabetics they know who can eat as many potatoes as they
    > like. Sadly so do I. Then someone quite often tells me that if they
    > weren't able to eat potatoes life wouldn't be worth living. With stern
    > self control I refrain from any of the obvious and impolite ripostes
    > :-)


    There is really nothing to say. If your life depends on eating potatoes,
    it is a rather dismal life. The one thing that would be hard for me to
    go without is my daily readings that my wife does from whatever current
    novel she has.


    >
    > > I am currently doing yet another experiment. My FBG wanders in the
    > > morning. It will be up if I do not drink the rum at night. It will

    be up
    > > if I sleep extra long.

    >
    > Interesting. Do you eat or drink something on waking which arrests the
    > rise that would otherwise have happened by the time you would have got
    > up if you'd slept extra late? Or does the mere fact of rising earlier
    > stop it from rising?
    >
    > --
    > Chris Malcolm


    I take my FBG reading the moment I wake up. Well, withing 5 minutes.
    Getting up early reduces the rise. Meaning getting less than 6 hours
    sleep. I made a point last night to have a large salad late. I then had
    a very low carb snack. I went to bed two hours later after drinking my
    rum. I woke up with a FBG of 96. This is a very good number for me. I
    had slept 9 hours. The last time I was that low was on 4-10-10.
    I am formulating a hypothesis. Maybe the heavy load of very complex
    carbohydrates is being digested all night and my liver does not get the
    message to make a dump. There might be a continuous trickle of BG being
    produced from the very complex carbohydrates all night long. It is an idea.

    I have 3 spots noted on my excel file so far. Many more to go.

    Michael


  11. #11
    Trinkwasser Guest

    Default Re: The "Low Fat High Carb" lie

    On Tue, 11 May 2010 17:37:46 -0500, Michael <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I take my FBG reading the moment I wake up. Well, withing 5 minutes.
    >Getting up early reduces the rise. Meaning getting less than 6 hours
    >sleep. I made a point last night to have a large salad late. I then had
    >a very low carb snack. I went to bed two hours later after drinking my
    >rum. I woke up with a FBG of 96. This is a very good number for me. I
    >had slept 9 hours. The last time I was that low was on 4-10-10.
    >I am formulating a hypothesis. Maybe the heavy load of very complex
    >carbohydrates is being digested all night and my liver does not get the
    >message to make a dump. There might be a continuous trickle of BG being
    >produced from the very complex carbohydrates all night long. It is an idea.
    >
    >I have 3 spots noted on my excel file so far. Many more to go.


    Yes that's exactly the way to do it. Rebalancing a lot of broken
    control circuitry may need different techniques for different folks
    which is why testing your own response to others' suggestions is so
    important.

    And why following pronouncements from "authorities" often fails.

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