Meal size and BG levels?

After not sleeping - and I mean not one minute - from Monday to
Wednesday, and eating very little during that time - a cup of non-fat,
no sugar yogurt, a few crackers with peanut butter - I finally had a
good night's sleep on Thursday. (I'm meeting with a doctor on Tuesday
to discuss my depression but that's another discussion.) When I awoke
on Friday around 10 am, I decided to go to a Japanese restaurant for
lunch, since I feel they make it easy to follow my low-carb regime. I
ordered the sashimi (raw fish) special - here's what they served me:

1 small boat of edamame (soy beans boiled in their pods - you pop them
into your mouth)
1 bowl miso soup
1 small green salad with house dressing (which is quite sweet, so I
assume a fair amount of sugar)
3 pieces of california roll
2 pieces of dragon roll (deep fried shrimp, avocado, cucumber encased
in seaweed and sushi rice)
14 pieces of sashimi - salmon, tuna, mackeral, whitefish, shrimp, a
couple of others I didn't know
1 serving rice with salmon roe - which I didn't touch.
I piece watermelon for dessert

My stomach was groaning when I left. With the dragon roll, I had
pulled out the insides, and left the rice. I did eat the rice on the
three pieces of california roll, which I think might have been 1 oz.
of rice. When I look at this list, the only high carb things were that
little bit of rice, and the perhaps tablespoon of salad dressing. But
despite finishing that lunch around 2:30, when I tested at 7:00 pm, I
still had a reading of 9 (162).

Perhaps this is a stupid question, but if you eat a really big meal,
does it take extra long time for your BG to return to normal? I rode
my bike there (10 min in 30 degree heat), and back, so I did get some
exercise - I was sweating after each journey. And if so, how much
longer? An hour or two hours? Three? Is it possible that this was just
a rebound after my 3 day semi-fast?

I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
exacerbate the swings in BG?

<kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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<snip>

> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
> exacerbate the swings in BG?

Yes.

In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
Julie Bove typed:
> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>
> Yes.

For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec), slows
down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes my BG to
jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not eating at all
keeps my BG just where I want them at.

Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.

0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
0900 114
1200 104

Today was about the same

1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
1700 69
2200 111

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:46761737$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
> In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
> Julie Bove typed:
>> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec), slows
> down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes my BG to
> jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not eating at all
> keeps my BG just where I want them at.
>
> Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.
>
> 0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
> 0900 114
> 1200 104
>
> Today was about the same
>
> 1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
> 1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
> 1700 69
> 2200 111
>
> --
> Bill
> DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
> 7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
> A1c 11 (4/2007)
> Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

Aren't you severely underweight? And how are your kidneys? Your diet seems
to be all protein.

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
> Julie Bove typed:
>> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec), slows
> down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes my BG to
> jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not eating at all
> keeps my BG just where I want them at.
>
> Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.
>
> 0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
> 0900 114
> 1200 104
>
> Today was about the same
>
> 1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
> 1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
> 1700 69
> 2200 111
>
> --
> Bill
> DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
> 7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
> A1c 11 (4/2007)
> Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole
I have to ask Bill, did you drink any Coke during the times that you claim
that you don't eat?

Because that will surely cause you bg to rise. Or beer, well that will lower
you bg temporarily, but the carbs will come back, along with a liver dump in
some cases. Could this be the reasons for your bg rising? Just asking.
>

In news:6fpdi.6203$Fw5.1846@trndny02,
Julie Bove (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:03:46 GMT) typed:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:46761737$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
>> Julie Bove typed:
>>> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>>>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>>>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec),
>> slows down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes
>> my BG to jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not
>> eating at all keeps my BG just where I want them at.
>>
>> Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.
>>
>> 0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
>> 0900 114
>> 1200 104
>>
>> Today was about the same
>>
>> 1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
>> 1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
>> 1700 69
>> 2200 111
>
> Aren't you severely underweight?

Hi Julie! Nope! I'm 6'1" @ 220 lbs.

> And how are your kidneys?

No problems that I know of. I'm having blood work next week so I think
I'll find out if something is up.

> Your diet seems to be all protein.

Just for the last two days. Some days I eat other things. Like Thursday
I had a sub and an apple. Friday I had fish & a salad.

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

In news:WZqdnQJuurzUvuvbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com,
DLynch (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:18:14 -0600) typed:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:46761737$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>> In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
>> Julie Bove typed:
>>> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>>>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>>>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec),
>> slows down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes
>> my BG to jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not
>> eating at all keeps my BG just where I want them at.
>>
>> Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.
>>
>> 0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
>> 0900 114
>> 1200 104
>>
>> Today was about the same
>>
>> 1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
>> 1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
>> 1700 69
>> 2200 111
>
> I have to ask Bill, did you drink any Coke during the times that you
> claim that you don't eat?

Hi DLynch! Funny that you asked. I just opened one up. First one in
about 4 days.

> Because that will surely cause you bg to rise. Or beer, well that
> will lower you bg temporarily, but the carbs will come back, along
> with a liver dump in some cases. Could this be the reasons for your
> bg rising? Just asking.

Yes I had beer on Saturday. None on Sunday. And the BG rise for 4 to 14
hours after meals is caused by the Omeprazole. As I quit it for two days
and meals then only peeked for about 2 hours. And yes I have had 3 meals
a day for about 6 weeks straight and I would hang around in the 180's
most of the time. And it is very tough to bring it down under these
conditions. As regular insulin doesn't seem to effect it. And NPH is
really dangerous. As NPH works for about 22 hours straight. And sure if
I give myself enough, I can bring it down again. But I can also be hypo
for 12 or more hours. <sigh>

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> In news:WZqdnQJuurzUvuvbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@comcast.com,
> DLynch (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:18:14 -0600) typed:
>> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
>> news:46761737$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>>> In news:5Cndi.3552$015.1254@trndny05,
>>> Julie Bove typed:
>>>> <kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:1182136473.290235.208410@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>>>>> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>>>>> exacerbate the swings in BG?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> For me, it stabilizes it. Although my Omeprazole (aka Prilosec),
>>> slows down my digestive system so much that eating a meal can causes
>>> my BG to jump to the 180's for 4 to 14 hours later. So I find not
>>> eating at all keeps my BG just where I want them at.
>>>
>>> Yesterday for example I had one piece of boloney and that was it.
>>>
>>> 0600 169 9R 14N boloney - no bread
>>> 0900 114
>>> 1200 104
>>>
>>> Today was about the same
>>>
>>> 1000 122 10N boloney - no bread
>>> 1300 143 7R 5N hamburger - no bread
>>> 1700 69
>>> 2200 111
>>
>> I have to ask Bill, did you drink any Coke during the times that you
>> claim that you don't eat?
>
> Hi DLynch! Funny that you asked. I just opened one up. First one in about
> 4 days.
>
>> Because that will surely cause you bg to rise. Or beer, well that
>> will lower you bg temporarily, but the carbs will come back, along
>> with a liver dump in some cases. Could this be the reasons for your
>> bg rising? Just asking.
>
> Yes I had beer on Saturday. None on Sunday. And the BG rise for 4 to 14
> hours after meals is caused by the Omeprazole. As I quit it for two days
> and meals then only peeked for about 2 hours. And yes I have had 3 meals a
> day for about 6 weeks straight and I would hang around in the 180's most
> of the time. And it is very tough to bring it down under these conditions.
> As regular insulin doesn't seem to effect it. And NPH is really dangerous.
> As NPH works for about 22 hours straight. And sure if I give myself
> enough, I can bring it down again. But I can also be hypo for 12 or more
> hours. <sigh>
>
> --
> Bill
> DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
> 7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
> A1c 11 (4/2007)
> Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole
uh, you don't use nph,to bring you down from a high. You would use R, if
that's all you have. The newer insulins like Lantus and Novolog or Humolog
are way better. Talk to your doctors about trying the newer analog
insulins. They work way better for type 2's on insulin. But if you aren't
going to eat, at least count the carbs in the Coke and beer and whatever. I
could live on liquids too, but I would still have to count the carbohydrates
in whatever I drank, and take insulin for that. I take Novolog for a fast
acting insulin. It may or may not work really fast for you, but it is way
better than trying to make corrections, than regular. Lantus is a background
insulin that will make your bg very regular, is you find the right dose,
even if you don't eat. But having Coke or a beer, doesn't mean that you are
not eating....you are drinking carbs. So do not confuse not eating with
drinking carbs. You are still ingesting carbs.

"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:46762536$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere. com...
>
>> And how are your kidneys?
>
> No problems that I know of. I'm having blood work next week so I think
> I'll find out if something is up.
>

You might want to have a microalbuminurea test as well.
bj

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:14:33 -0700, kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca wrote:

>I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
>meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
>exacerbate the swings in BG?

Yes, it can do. So can the stress caused by depression. I'm glad
you're getting help.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

I personally dont believe it was the amount of food you ate, but the
food you ate. deep fried, rice, watermelon rice, you had a pretty high
carb meal and your numbers showed it.

Perhaps, if you ate only a little bit of the carby foods, you might have
been just fine.

The sashimi which I think is without rice, woudl not cause this problem

Loretta

Did you have beer on Friday evening as well? Or something stronger
perhaps? :-)

Cheri


BillW50 wrote in message
<467628f5$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>Yes I had beer on Saturday. None on Sunday. And the BG rise for 4 to
14
>hours after meals is caused by the Omeprazole. As I quit it for two
days
>and meals then only peeked for about 2 hours. And yes I have had 3
meals
>a day for about 6 weeks straight and I would hang around in the 180's
>most of the time. And it is very tough to bring it down under these
>conditions. As regular insulin doesn't seem to effect it. And NPH is
>really dangerous. As NPH works for about 22 hours straight. And sure
if
>I give myself enough, I can bring it down again. But I can also be
hypo
>for 12 or more hours. <sigh>
>
>--
>Bill
>DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
>7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
>A1c 11 (4/2007)
>Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole
>

On Jun 17, 8:14 pm, kevinbertsch...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> After not sleeping - and I mean not one minute - from Monday to
> Wednesday, and eating very little during that time - a cup of non-fat,
> no sugar yogurt, a few crackers with peanut butter - I finally had a
> good night's sleep on Thursday. (I'm meeting with a doctor on Tuesday
> to discuss my depression but that's another discussion.) When I awoke
> on Friday around 10 am, I decided to go to a Japanese restaurant for
> lunch, since I feel they make it easy to follow my low-carb regime. I
> ordered the sashimi (raw fish) special - here's what they served me:
>
> 1 small boat of edamame (soy beans boiled in their pods - you pop them
> into your mouth)
> 1 bowl miso soup
> 1 small green salad with house dressing (which is quite sweet, so I
> assume a fair amount of sugar)
> 3 pieces of california roll
> 2 pieces of dragon roll (deep fried shrimp, avocado, cucumber encased
> in seaweed and sushi rice)
> 14 pieces of sashimi - salmon, tuna, mackeral, whitefish, shrimp, a
> couple of others I didn't know
> 1 serving rice with salmon roe - which I didn't touch.
> I piece watermelon for dessert
>
> My stomach was groaning when I left. With the dragon roll, I had
> pulled out the insides, and left the rice. I did eat the rice on the
> three pieces of california roll, which I think might have been 1 oz.
> of rice. When I look at this list, the only high carb things were that
> little bit of rice, and the perhaps tablespoon of salad dressing. But
> despite finishing that lunch around 2:30, when I tested at 7:00 pm, I
> still had a reading of 9 (162).
>
> Perhaps this is a stupid question, but if you eat a really big meal,
> does it take extra long time for your BG to return to normal? I rode
> my bike there (10 min in 30 degree heat), and back, so I did get some
> exercise - I was sweating after each journey. And if so, how much
> longer? An hour or two hours? Three? Is it possible that this was just
> a rebound after my 3 day semi-fast?
>
> I know I shouldn't fast, but I was too depressed to eat; again, I'm
> meeting a dr. Tuesday to discuss that issue. Does fasting/bingeing
> exacerbate the swings in BG?

I find that I'm very sensitive to the quantity of food I eat bg-wise.
I can have a serving a protein and the remainder lower-carb veggies,
but if I eat too much at one time, my bg is going to be elevated. As
far as how long it takes to come down, I'm usually back down to 140 or
less at 2 hours if I spike at one hour. However, most of meals are
pretty small. The meal you describe is feast!

I'm sorry to hear about your depression. Consistency in eating habits
helps to have more consistently managed bg, so you are right to have
the depression issue addressed.

Please keep us posted.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

In news:vqKdnYi0L63dW-vbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@inreach.com,
Cheri (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:17 -0700) typed:
> Did you have beer on Friday evening as well? Or something stronger
> perhaps? :-)

Hi Cheri! Ummm no! Thursday I had one beer about 10PM. Friday I have no
record of any and if I had any, it was one. As I remember that day well.
And Saturday I had too many and I acted like a fool here. <sigh> Is that
the day you are thinking of?

And besides 3.2% beer, I rarely drink anything else with alcohol. What I
mean is it has been about 4 years since I drank anything else with
alcohol and about 4 years before that before anything else.

I am usually okay with 3.2% beer because I am usually all knowing about
the effects and how much I can drink without any problems. Saturday I
was mistaken. I do that sometimes. Not a lot, but like 6 times a year.
<sigh> The odds are getting better and better though. <grin>

Today has been a big disappoint to me as far as BG goes. All I had was
black coffee and a few beers (yesterday I didn't have any beers either).
And my BG has been just climbing throughout the day. It is up to 196 now
(started at 139 this morning). And I just gave myself a third shot of
5R/5N (about 4 hours apart). This smaller amount is really safe to
prevent me from going hypo. And it is usually good when I am not eating
anything. Although it just isn't working today. <sigh>

What I was trying to figure out about liver dumps, as can adjusting
insulin correct for them while fasting? Nobody here so far hasn't said
one way or another. In my experience, it will work, but requires a lot
more insulin than it does normally. But that is really risky, as too
much and you are in a bad hypo. Regular insulin isn't too bad (as it
only last 4 hours), but NPH it can last 22 or 23 hours. And I did that
once and I never want to do that again. I should have gone to the
hospital that day. I will next time though for sure.

> BillW50 wrote in message
> <467628f5$0$1343$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>> Yes I had beer on Saturday. None on Sunday. And the BG rise for 4 to
>> 14 hours after meals is caused by the Omeprazole. As I quit it for
>> two days and meals then only peeked for about 2 hours. And yes I
>> have had 3 meals a day for about 6 weeks straight and I would hang
>> around in the 180's most of the time. And it is very tough to bring
>> it down under these conditions. As regular insulin doesn't seem to
>> effect it. And NPH is really dangerous. As NPH works for about 22
>> hours straight. And sure if I give myself enough, I can bring it
>> down again. But I can also be hypo for 12 or more hours. <sigh>

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

I thought you might have had the odd one, you know why I thought that?
Because I did the same thing not so long ago. LOL At any rate, there
are some in this newsgroup who have never made fools of themselves,
but not too many. :-)

Cheri


BillW50 wrote in message
<46771234$0$1350$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>In news:vqKdnYi0L63dW-vbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@inreach.com,
>Cheri (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:17 -0700) typed:
>> Did you have beer on Friday evening as well? Or something stronger
>> perhaps? :-)
>
>Hi Cheri! Ummm no! Thursday I had one beer about 10PM. Friday I have
no
>record of any and if I had any, it was one. As I remember that day
well.
>And Saturday I had too many and I acted like a fool here. <sigh> Is
that
>the day you are thinking of?

In newssednajsDottherbnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@inreach.com,
Cheri (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:48:05 -0700) typed:
> I thought you might have had the odd one, you know why I thought that?
> Because I did the same thing not so long ago. LOL At any rate, there
> are some in this newsgroup who have never made fools of themselves,
> but not too many. :-)

Hi Cheri! Well I am not perfect and I think I am better than most. And I
also know I will never be perfect in my lifetime. But I still keep
improving. And that is the best that I can do. <grin>

> BillW50 wrote in message
> <46771234$0$1350$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> ...
>> In news:vqKdnYi0L63dW-vbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@inreach.com,
>> Cheri (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:17 -0700) typed:
>>> Did you have beer on Friday evening as well? Or something stronger
>>> perhaps? :-)
>>
>> Hi Cheri! Ummm no! Thursday I had one beer about 10PM. Friday I have
>> no record of any and if I had any, it was one. As I remember that
>> day well. And Saturday I had too many and I acted like a fool here.
>> <sigh> Is that the day you are thinking of?

--
Bill
DX 1992 (ignored till 4/2007)
7R/7N 3x a day - Type II
A1c 11 (4/2007)
Acid-Reflex since 1992 - 20mg Omeprazole

On Jun 18, 8:54 am, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
wrote:
> I personally dont believe it was the amount of food you ate, but the
> food you ate. deep fried, rice, watermelon rice, you had a pretty high
> carb meal and your numbers showed it.
>
> Perhaps, if you ate only a little bit of the carby foods, you might have
> been just fine.
>
> The sashimi which I think is without rice, woudl not cause this problem
>
> Loretta

Please - do you ever eat Japanese food? The two pieces of dragon roll
represent maybe one-half a single deep fried shrimp. And, as I said, I
stripped
away the rice from those. I only ate the little bit of rice on the
three pieces
of california roll - that's about 2 tablespoons of rice, tops. And the
dessert
was a single triangle of watermelon, less than 1/4" thick, and not
more than
3" long. Again, as I said, the side order of rice with salmon roe I
left untouched.

I don't think I ingested more than 20g of carbs - absolute tops. But
thanks for
your concern.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:26:41 -0700, kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca
wrote:

>I only ate the little bit of rice on the three pieces of california roll -
>that's about 2 tablespoons of rice, tops. And the dessert was a single
> triangle of watermelon, less than 1/4" thick, and not more than 3" long.


Yep. That would be more than enough to give me a decent
spike at lunchtime - which is when you ate this. I found by
testing that my breakfast limit is <6gms carb, lunch is
<15gms and I have a much bigger tolerance at dinner and late
supper.

You think it's a trivial amount - but it's not. Your meter
may not be perfectly accurate but it's trying to give you a
message. Think about it. And both those foods are real
spikers for me.

You said earlier: " But despite finishing that lunch around
2:30, when I tested at 7:00 pm, I still had a reading of 9
(162)."

That does surprise me a little, that it was still that high
so much later - but the level reached is no surprise at all.

I'd suggest that you read this again and put it into
practice.
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

It would really help you next time to do a test at your peak
post-prandial timing which would be a lot earlier than 4 1/2
hours later.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
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> In news:vqKdnYi0L63dW-vbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@inreach.com,
> Cheri (Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:17 -0700) typed:
>> Did you have beer on Friday evening as well? Or something stronger
>> perhaps? :-)
>
> And my BG has been just climbing throughout the day. It is up to 196 now
> (started at 139 this morning). And I just gave myself a third shot of
> 5R/5N (about 4 hours apart). This smaller amount is really safe to
> prevent me from going hypo. And it is usually good when I am not eating
> anything. Although it just isn't working today. <sigh>

>
> What I was trying to figure out about liver dumps, as can adjusting
> insulin correct for them while fasting? Nobody here so far hasn't said
> one way or another. In my experience, it will work, but requires a lot
> more insulin than it does normally. But that is really risky, as too much
> and you are in a bad hypo. Regular insulin isn't too bad (as it only last
> 4 hours), but NPH it can last 22 or 23 hours. And I did that once and I
> never want to do that again. I should have gone to the hospital that day.
> I will next time though for sure.


Correction about Regular Insulin. It PEAKS 2-4hrs after injection but it
certainly isn't gone within 4hrs as you stated. Humalog/Novolog is gone
for most by the 4th hour. Regular Insulin takes 30-45m to start working,
2-4hr peak, and 5-7hrs it's pretty well gone for most.

Personally, I think injecting NPH/R of even 5u at 4hrs apart isn't very
swift.

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kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca wrote:

> Please - do you ever eat Japanese food? The two pieces of dragon roll
> represent maybe one-half a single deep fried shrimp. And, as I said, I
> stripped
> away the rice from those. I only ate the little bit of rice on the
> three pieces
> of california roll - that's about 2 tablespoons of rice, tops. And the
> dessert
> was a single triangle of watermelon, less than 1/4" thick, and not
> more than
> 3" long. Again, as I said, the side order of rice with salmon roe I
> left untouched.
>
> I don't think I ingested more than 20g of carbs - absolute tops. But
> thanks for
> your concern.
>

Don't forget to count the starch and sugar in the surimi/fake crab and
the sugar added to the rice.

Hope you enjoyed it. I can eat a couple of pieces of sushi if I take a
walk within a half hour of eating. But the thought of eating rice with
sugar leads me to pretty exclusively choose sashimi.

Susan