Metabolic syndrome predicts prostate cancer

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Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer

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NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.

Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.

Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.

The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
diabetes at baseline.

They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
risk factors for prostate cancer.

A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.

The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.

Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.



If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
colon cancers.

Susan

Susan wrote:
<snipped for brevity>

> If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> colon cancers.
>
> Susan

I would not go into Cancer related discussion in diabetic NG. But since
you have mentioned it, try doing same search for meat and cancer link
and you will get at least as many if not more hits! Same is true for
animal fat and cancer.

ref:
PubMed http://tinyurl.com/48x2u
Google Scholar: http://tinyurl.com/ymvdjq

At the end of the day one looks at what one wants to see!

Anil
T2DM
------------------------------------------------------------------
Not everything that can be counted counts,
And not everything that counts can be counted.
- Albert Einstein

Susan wrote:
>
> Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
>
> Reuters Health Information 2006. © 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> the Reuters group of companies around the world.
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
>
> Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
>
> Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
>
> The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> diabetes at baseline.
>
> They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> risk factors for prostate cancer.
>
> A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
>
> The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
>
> Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
>
> If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> colon cancers.
>
> Susan

The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Fear GOD and dread nought:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

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Anil wrote:

> I would not go into Cancer related discussion in diabetic NG. But since
> you have mentioned it, try doing same search for meat and cancer link
> and you will get at least as many if not more hits! Same is true for
> animal fat and cancer.

Actually, Anil, I've researched that a lot, for years, and it's not at
all true, except for the possible connection with cured meats.

Healthy, untainted meats not eaten with starches or sugar are connected
to reduced cancer risks, not increases, along with improved markers for
heart health.

You should try reading only those studies that control for variables
such as quality of the dietary nutrients tested and the hormonal
influences of what's eaten with the substance in question.

As to your comment, metabolic syndrome is at the heart of DM, and is
always appropriate in this group.

Now try a Medline literature search on hyperinsulinemia and a host of
cancers.

High carb diets require high amounts of insulin.

Susan

In article <1162649234.515391.59850@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>, "Andrew
B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love2@thetruth.com> wrote:

Susan wrote:
>
> Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
>
> Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> the Reuters group of companies around the world.
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
>
> Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
>
> Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
>
> The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> diabetes at baseline.
>
> They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> risk factors for prostate cancer.
>
> A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
>
> The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
>
> Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
>
> If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> colon cancers.
>
> Susan

The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Fear GOD and dread nought:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Andrew,
Is VAT always the cause of MetS? I seem to recall reading a list of the
various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162611321.900470.94360@i42g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> I would not go into Cancer related discussion in diabetic NG. But since
> you have mentioned it, try doing same search for meat and cancer link
> and you will get at least as many if not more hits! Same is true for
> animal fat and cancer.
>
> ref:
> PubMed http://tinyurl.com/48x2u
> Google Scholar: http://tinyurl.com/ymvdjq
>
> At the end of the day one looks at what one wants to see!
>
> Anil
> T2DM

Very true but i doubt very much those here that worship low carb
will agree. I grill all my meats and later if i want I can saute them in
canola oil
with some onion.

Tom

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:4r3rn0Fp8gq0U1@individual.net...
> Actually, Anil, I've researched that a lot, for years, and it's not at all
> true,


Many real scientists have also researched it and most would disagree
with what you say.

Jason Johnson wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> >
> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
> >
> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
> >
> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
> >
> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
> >
> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
> >
> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> > diabetes at baseline.
> >
> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
> >
> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
> >
> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
> >
> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
> >
> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> > colon cancers.
> >
> > Susan
>
> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> Fear GOD and dread nought:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
> love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Andrew,
> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?

That is what is seen clinically.

> I seem to recall reading a list of the
> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?

Not clinically seen.

May GOD continue to help you with your needs, dear neighbor Jason whom
I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

In article <1162657158.808867.69170@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups. com>, "Andrew
B. Chung, MD/PhD" <love7@thetruth.com> wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> Susan wrote:
> >
> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
> >
> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
> >
> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
> >
> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
> >
> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
> >
> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> > diabetes at baseline.
> >
> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
> >
> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
> >
> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
> >
> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
> >
> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> > colon cancers.
> >
> > Susan
>
> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> Fear GOD and dread nought:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
> love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Andrew,
> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?

That is what is seen clinically.

> I seem to recall reading a list of the
> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?

Not clinically seen.

May GOD continue to help you with your needs, dear neighbor Jason whom
I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Andrew,
Thanks for your post. Could disorders such as ESRD, Respiratory Acidosis
and Renal Tubular Acidosis cause patients to develop MetS?
Jason

On 4 Nov 2006 08:19:18 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<love7@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Jason Johnson wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> Susan wrote:
>> >
>> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
>> >
>> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
>> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
>> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
>> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
>> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
>> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
>> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
>> >
>> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
>> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
>> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
>> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
>> >
>> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
>> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
>> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
>> >
>> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
>> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
>> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
>> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
>> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
>> >
>> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
>> > diabetes at baseline.
>> >
>> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
>> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
>> >
>> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
>> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
>> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
>> >
>> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
>> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
>> >
>> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
>> >
>> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
>> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
>> > colon cancers.
>> >
>> > Susan
>>
>> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
>> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12


>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>>
>> Fear GOD and dread nought:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>>
>> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
>> love unconditionally.
>>
>> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> Andrew <><
>> --
>> Andrew B. Chung
>> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>>
>> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Andrew,
>> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
>
>That is what is seen clinically.

Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
FPLD3 then.

>
>> I seem to recall reading a list of the
>> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
>> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
>> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
>
>Not clinically seen.

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12

>
>May GOD continue to help you with your needs, dear neighbor Jason whom
>I love unconditionally.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
>Andrew <><

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Hatchetmama wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> >Jason Johnson wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> Susan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
> >> >
> >> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> >> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> >> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> >> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> >> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> >> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> >> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
> >> >
> >> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> >> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> >> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> >> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
> >> >
> >> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> >> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> >> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
> >> >
> >> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> >> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> >> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> >> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> >> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
> >> >
> >> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> >> > diabetes at baseline.
> >> >
> >> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> >> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
> >> >
> >> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> >> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> >> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
> >> >
> >> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> >> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
> >> >
> >> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
> >> >
> >> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> >> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> >> > colon cancers.
> >> >
> >> > Susan
> >>
> >> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
> >> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
> >>
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >>
> >> Fear GOD and dread nought:
> >>
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
> >>
> >> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
> >> love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Andrew <><
> >> --
> >> Andrew B. Chung
> >> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >>
> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Andrew,
> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
> >
> >That is what is seen clinically.
>
> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
> FPLD3 then.

Clinically rare entities.

> >> I seem to recall reading a list of the
> >> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
> >> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
> >> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
> >
> >Not clinically seen.
>
> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to post this link which shows that indeed visceral adipose tissue (VAT)
is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: YES
>
> Anil wrote:
>
> > I would not go into Cancer related discussion in diabetic NG. But since
> > you have mentioned it, try doing same search for meat and cancer link
> > and you will get at least as many if not more hits! Same is true for
> > animal fat and cancer.
>
> Actually, Anil, I've researched that a lot, for years, and it's not at
> all true, except for the possible connection with cured meats.
>
> Healthy, untainted meats not eaten with starches or sugar are connected
> to reduced cancer risks, not increases, along with improved markers for
> heart health.
>
> You should try reading only those studies that control for variables
> such as quality of the dietary nutrients tested and the hormonal
> influences of what's eaten with the substance in question.
>
> As to your comment, metabolic syndrome is at the heart of DM, and is
> always appropriate in this group.
>
> Now try a Medline literature search on hyperinsulinemia and a host of
> cancers.
>
> High carb diets require high amounts of insulin.
>
> Susan

As I said I don't want this thread to wonder off in diet and cancer
relationship. But since you are bringing this again I did a bit more
digging and found the following links without much of efforts. My point
is the research clearly indicate quite a few red flags.

As you know none of this is of much use to me or of my research
interests as I am on almost 100% plant based diet. But I am encluding
this research as a counter point to what you have stated. I am not
interested in further dicussion as I am not an affected party.

Anil
T2DM

So here is what I found:
========================
http://jncicancerspectrum.oxfordjour...jnci;97/12/906

Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 97, No. 12, 906-916,
June 15, 2005
Meat, Fish, and Colorectal Cancer Risk: The European Prospective
Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition n=478,040 men and women from 10
European countries who were free of cancer at enrollment between 1992
and 1998

Conclusions
Our data confirm that colorectal cancer risk is positively associated
with high consumption of red and processed meat and support an inverse
association with fish intake.

========================
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/kwj324v1
American Journal of Epidemiology Advance Access published online on
September 21, 2006

Dietary Patterns and Risk of Colorectal Tumors: A Cohort of French
Women of the National Education System (E3N).

Scores for dietary patterns were obtained by factor analysis in women
from the French cohort of the European Prospective Investigation into
Cancer and Nutrition (1993-2000).

Their association with colorectal tumors was investigated in 516
adenoma cases (175 high-risk adenomas) and 4,804 polyp-free women and
in 172 colorectal cancer cases and 67,312 cancer-free women.

The meat-eaters(meat, poultry, and margarine) pattern was positively
associated with colorectal cancer risk.

Dietary patterns that reflect a Western way of life ("potatoes, pizzas
and pies, sandwiches, sweets, cakes, cheese, cereal products, processed
meat, eggs, and butter") are associated with a higher risk of
colorectal tumors.

========================
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/10/5/559
Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention Vol. 10, 559-562, May 2001

Dietary Intake of Heterocyclic Amines, Meat-derived Mutagenic Activity,
and Risk of Colorectal Adenomas

Meats cooked well-done by high temperature techniques produce mutagenic
compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCAs), but the amounts of these
compounds vary by cooking techniques, temperature, time, and type of
meat.

Result:
High intake of the three HCA compounds individually more than doubled
the risk (fifth versus first quintile) of colorectal adenomas, but the
excess risk was confined to the fifth quintile for DiMeIQx (data not
shown) and MeIQx and to both the fourth and fifth quintiles for PhIP
(Fig. 1, A and B)Citation .

Given that the overall distribution of HCA intake in our population was
log-normal, with most people consuming relatively low quantities of
HCAs, only subjects in the top quintile had substantially different
intakes levels than those in the lowest quintiles, so that only
marginal differences in true risk can be expected in the lower
categories.

========================
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cg...ct/65/24/11779
Cancer Research 65, 11779-11784, December 15, 2005

A Prospective Study of Meat and Meat Mutagens and Prostate Cancer Risk

In conclusion, very well done meat was positively associated with
prostate cancer risk. In addition, this study lends epidemiologic
support to the animal studies, which have implicated PhIP as a prostate
carcinogen.

x-no-archive: yes

Anil wrote:

> As I said I don't want this thread to wonder off in diet and cancer
> relationship. But since you are bringing this again I did a bit more
> digging and found the following links without much of efforts. My point
> is the research clearly indicate quite a few red flags.

Anil, metabolic syndrome and cancer and DM are intimately related.
That's not a tangential thing.

If you ever find a legitimate study that controlled for the variables I
mentioned, post it.

So far you haven't.

Susan

Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Anil, metabolic syndrome and cancer and DM are intimately related.
> That's not a tangential thing.
>
> If you ever find a legitimate study that controlled for the variables I
> mentioned, post it.
>
> So far you haven't.
>
> Susan


Metabolic Syndrome(MS) and DM connection is well established and needs
no further connection through research paper citation. MS and CVD are
equally well connected. A person with DM is lucky not to get this buy
one get one free deal. Being a T2DM I know I came here via MS route.

However based on the corrective action done so far I do see myself at
least (may be temporarily) halting further damage to my vital organs.
>From every thing I have read so far all the corrective actions on my
part (lots of exercise and plant based whole food diet, Go Vegis Go!) I
seem to be also on some what safe grounds from obviously avoidable
cancer risks. So having radically changed my lifestyle, I really don't
have any interest in doing any research on lifestyle and cancer
connection.

To undertake a research one needs a motivation. If avoiding cancer is
the goal then the links I highlighted may be of interest. If not, move
on. As I said I do lack the motivation.

Happy Health!

Anil
T2DM

x-no-archive: yes

Anil wrote:


> To undertake a research one needs a motivation. If avoiding cancer is
> the goal then the links I highlighted may be of interest. If not, move
> on. As I said I do lack the motivation.

Lacking the motivation to provide good citations makes me wonder why
you'd jump into the thread, the only one so motivated?


>
> Happy Health!

To you, to.

Susan

On 4 Nov 2006 09:32:24 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<love7@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Hatchetmama wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Jason Johnson wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> Susan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
>> >> >
>> >> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
>> >> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
>> >> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
>> >> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
>> >> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
>> >> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
>> >> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
>> >> >
>> >> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
>> >> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
>> >> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
>> >> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
>> >> >
>> >> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
>> >> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
>> >> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
>> >> >
>> >> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
>> >> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
>> >> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
>> >> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
>> >> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
>> >> >
>> >> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
>> >> > diabetes at baseline.
>> >> >
>> >> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
>> >> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
>> >> >
>> >> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
>> >> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
>> >> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
>> >> >
>> >> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
>> >> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
>> >> >
>> >> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
>> >> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
>> >> > colon cancers.
>> >> >
>> >> > Susan
>> >>
>> >> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
>> >> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
>> >>
>> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>> >>
>> >> Fear GOD and dread nought:
>> >>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>> >>
>> >> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
>> >> love unconditionally.
>> >>
>> >> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >>
>> >> Andrew <><
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew B. Chung
>> >> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>> >>
>> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>> >>
>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >>
>> >> Andrew,
>> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
>> >
>> >That is what is seen clinically.
>>
>> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
>> FPLD3 then.
>
>Clinically rare entities.

They are none-the-less genetic. Are they not?
Therefore, VAT is not always the cause of MetS.

>
>> >> I seem to recall reading a list of the
>> >> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
>> >> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
>> >> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
>> >
>> >Not clinically seen.
>>
>> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12
>
>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
>to post this link which shows that indeed visceral adipose tissue (VAT)
>is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Apparently you didn't read beyond the first paragraph.

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Hatchetmama wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> >Hatchetmama wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Jason Johnson wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> Susan wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
> >> >> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
> >> >> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
> >> >> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
> >> >> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
> >> >> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
> >> >> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
> >> >> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
> >> >> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
> >> >> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
> >> >> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
> >> >> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
> >> >> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
> >> >> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
> >> >> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
> >> >> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
> >> >> > diabetes at baseline.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
> >> >> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
> >> >> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
> >> >> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
> >> >> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
> >> >> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
> >> >> > colon cancers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Susan
> >> >>
> >> >> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
> >> >> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >> >>
> >> >> Fear GOD and dread nought:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
> >> >>
> >> >> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
> >> >> love unconditionally.
> >> >>
> >> >> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew <><
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andrew B. Chung
> >> >> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >> >>
> >> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> >> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> >> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
> >> >>
> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew,
> >> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
> >> >
> >> >That is what is seen clinically.
> >>
> >> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
> >> FPLD3 then.
> >
> >Clinically rare entities.
>
> They are none-the-less genetic. Are they not?

They are not seen clinically. No one is genetically testing folks
afflicted with MetS to see if they have either the FPLD2 nor the FPLD3
alleles.

> Therefore, VAT is not always the cause of MetS.

Clinically, VAT is the cause of MetS.

> >> >> I seem to recall reading a list of the
> >> >> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
> >> >> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
> >> >> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
> >> >
> >> >Not clinically seen.
> >>
> >> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12
> >
> >Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
> >to post this link which shows that indeed visceral adipose tissue (VAT)
> >is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).
>
> Apparently you didn't read beyond the first paragraph.

Actually I did.

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Hatchetmama wrote:
> Art Deco wrote:
> >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>Hatchetmama wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >>> >> Andrew,
> >>> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
> >>> >
> >>> >That is what is seen clinically.
> >>>
> >>> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
> >>> FPLD3 then.
> >>
> >>Clinically rare entities.
> >
> >Translation from Fraudi: "I can't; I am a fraud physician."
>
> What frightens me is, he's from my area.

Without the LORD, there is only dread.

Fear GOD and dread naught:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?

May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear vanquished neighbor
whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

On 4 Nov 2006 12:15:12 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<love6@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Hatchetmama wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Hatchetmama wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >Jason Johnson wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> Susan wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Metabolic Syndrome a Predictor of Prostate Cancer
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Reuters Health Information 2006. =A9 2006 Reuters Ltd.
>> >> >> > Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing
>> >> >> > or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written
>> >> >> > consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays
>> >> >> > in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters
>> >> >> > and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of
>> >> >> > the Reuters group of companies around the world.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Nov 02 - A study of nearly 16,000 men living
>> >> >> > in Oslo, Norway, shows that the presence of two or more factors
>> >> >> > comprising the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of prostate cancer.
>> >> >> > The more metabolic syndrome factors present, the higher the risk.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Results of the 27-year Oslo Study, a cohort of men who were in their
>> >> >> > forties at baseline in 1972-1973, are published in the October 15th
>> >> >> > issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Principal investigator Dr. L. Lund Haheim of the Norwegian Knowledge
>> >> >> > Center for Health Services and colleagues note that the study was
>> >> >> > prompted by the increase in prostate cancer in Norway, the increase in
>> >> >> > mean weight of middle-aged men and research showing a link between
>> >> >> > insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and prostate cancer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The investigators analyzed data from 15,933 men without cancer or
>> >> >> > diabetes at baseline.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > They found that age, body mass index and sedentary work were independent
>> >> >> > risk factors for prostate cancer.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > A combination of any two factors of the metabolic syndrome conferred a
>> >> >> > relative risk of 1.23 for prostate cancer, the team reports, and a
>> >> >> > combination of any three had a relative risk of 1.56.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The findings indicate "an association between insulin resistance and the
>> >> >> > incidence of prostate cancer," the investigators write.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Am J Epidem 2006;164:769-774.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you do a Medline search using the term "hyperinsulinemia AND prostate
>> >> >> > cancer" you get a bazillion hits. The same goes for breast, ovarian and
>> >> >> > colon cancers.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Susan
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The cure for metabolic syndrome (MetS) is permanently losing the
>> >> >> visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Here's how to do it:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fear GOD and dread nought:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Susan whom I
>> >> >> love unconditionally.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Andrew <><
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Andrew B. Chung
>> >> >> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
>> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
>> >> >> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
>> >> >> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
>> >> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Andrew,
>> >> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
>> >> >
>> >> >That is what is seen clinically.
>> >>
>> >> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
>> >> FPLD3 then.
>> >
>> >Clinically rare entities.
>>
>> They are none-the-less genetic. Are they not?
>
>They are not seen clinically. No one is genetically testing folks
>afflicted with MetS to see if they have either the FPLD2 nor the FPLD3
>alleles.

Actually, The Boston University Of Medicine is. Along with other types
of monogenic forms of MetS.


>
>> Therefore, VAT is not always the cause of MetS.
>
>Clinically, VAT is the cause of MetS.

I am sorry that you like to speak in absolutes.
There are no absolutes in medicine.
I'm sorry. There are some genetic causes for MetS.
It can be found in PMJ, AMJ, etc. Writeups from Blackburn Labs, genome
project, Washington Institute, Boston School.
You're clearly jumping to conclusions without enough information.


>
>> >> >> I seem to recall reading a list of the
>> >> >> various causes of MetS. There is probably such a list in one of your
>> >> >> reference books. I agree that VAT is the primary cause of MetS for people
>> >> >> that have VAT. Could a person that does not have VAT also have MetS?
>> >> >
>> >> >Not clinically seen.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/12
>> >
>> >Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
>> >to post this link which shows that indeed visceral adipose tissue (VAT)
>> >is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome (MetS).
>>
>> Apparently you didn't read beyond the first paragraph.
>
>Actually I did.

Read more.

>
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
>unconditionally.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
>Andrew <><

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On 4 Nov 2006 12:24:45 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<love6@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Hatchetmama wrote:
>> Art Deco wrote:
>> >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>Hatchetmama wrote:
>> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> >>> >> Andrew,
>> >>> >> Is VAT always the cause of MetS?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >That is what is seen clinically.
>> >>>
>> >>> Explain monogenic forms of the metabolic syndrome such as FPLD2 and
>> >>> FPLD3 then.
>> >>
>> >>Clinically rare entities.
>> >
>> >Translation from Fraudi: "I can't; I am a fraud physician."
>>
>> What frightens me is, he's from my area.
>
>Without the LORD, there is only dread.

You're awful judgemental.

>
>Fear GOD and dread naught:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...546a7bf4a81ee?
>
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear vanquished neighbor
>whom I love unconditionally.
>
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
>Andrew <><

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