Metformin only helps 51% of diabetic teens.

[Julie Bove]

This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question is...

Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen I
know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I don't
see any around me.

Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type 1's.
Don't know of any type 2's.

[Ozgirl]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
> question is...
>
> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
> But I don't see any around me.
>
> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.

I know one, but steroid induced. He was younger than a teen when he
developed it.

[Budd Cochran]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question is...
>
> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
> don't see any around me.
>
> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type 1's.
> Don't know of any type 2's.
>

We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they cannot
sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...

And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.

Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
concerning T-2 onset.


--
Budd

Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.

[hemyd]

"Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
>> is...
>>
>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
>> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
>> don't see any around me.
>>
>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>
>
> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...
>
> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>
> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
> kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
> concerning T-2 onset.
>
>
> --
> Budd
>
> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>
I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big dinners
at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no longer skinny....
I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I probably developed it a lot
sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was 27.

Henry.

[Julie Bove]

"Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
>
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
>> is...
>>
>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
>> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
>> don't see any around me.
>>
>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>
> I know one, but steroid induced. He was younger than a teen when he
> developed it.

That's sad. I guess I am lucky. I had to take steroids a couple of times
as a child/teen due to a bee sting.

[Julie Bove]

"hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] .au...
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
>> is...
>>
>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
>> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
>> don't see any around me.
>>
>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>
> I've read several reports over the past five years that Type 2 diabetes is
> now found at an ever younger age. One report mentioned children as young
> as 12. The increase in obesity was blamed.
>
> I don't know anyone personally, but that does not indicate to me that the
> report is without foundation.

I don't know many obese kids either except for my own and once she loses a
few more pounds she won't be any more. They had to remeasure her at the
dance studio and she has lost 4.5 inches off of her waist in just over two
weeks. They thought she would need a smaller costume for ballet but I told
them to go with the size they had on file. She is very long through the
torso and I usually have to go up a size for leotards and this costume has a
leotard with it.

Anyway there are very few overweight kids at her dance studio. There is one
older girl who looks to me like she might be a few pounds overweight but
only a few. And a few younger girls who are a little on the chubby side.
But most are underweight. Perhaps a few are normal weight.

I have not seen many overweight kids at her school either or out in public
in general. So wherever they are, they are not here.

[Julie Bove]

"Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
>> is...
>>
>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
>> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
>> don't see any around me.
>>
>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>
>
> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...
>
> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>
> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
> kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
> concerning T-2 onset.

I was very underweight as a child. I used to try to put on weight and I
could not. I could eat like a horse too. I loved salad bars which were
more common back then than they are now. I would go to an all you can eat
place and go back for the salad bar three or four times. I might also get
some mashed potatoes if they had those but it was mainly salad.

[Julie Bove]

"hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>> question is...
>>>
>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>>> But I don't see any around me.
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>
>>
>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...
>>
>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>
>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
>> kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
>> concerning T-2 onset.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Budd
>>
>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>
> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
> started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big dinners
> at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no longer
> skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I probably
> developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was 27.

My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The Dr.
never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have been
gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the house. I
began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even keep juice down.
But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all I would have.

I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our vital
signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The teacher joked
with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I passed out. He
freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get me to the hospital,
which she did not do. Instead she took me to the Dr. In those days you
could do that.

The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and a jar
of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her friend (a
nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating was not normal.

I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for a 5'7"
female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big as a house.

I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during rough
patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal amount of
food.

Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I worked
with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I was furious!
Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that I did because he
was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have a scale then so I
didn't know for sure.

Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was horrified
to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and after about a
year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that weight.

I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful about
what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza and bar food
and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember him taking me out for
breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in addition to the breakfast I
had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo fast and then some. Shot up to
220 and my body seems to be stuck there. It just likes that weight.

I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put some
back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just briefly. This
was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with diabetes. Since
then I have lost weight several times, only dropping below 200 once, I
think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.

[Canth]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:50:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question is...
>
>Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen I
>know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I don't
>see any around me.
>
>Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type 1's.
>Don't know of any type 2's.
>
According to a recent SciAm, obesity & diabetes are highest(35%+
obese, 12%+ diabetes):-
West of the Appalachians in Kentucky & West Virginia;
along the Red River valley in Oklahoma,Arkansas & Louisiana;
down the Mississippi valley in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and
with a big extension through Southern Alabama into Georgia;
around Atlanta, Augusta, and Columbia with extensions down the river
valleys to Charleston & Savannah;
the Navaho Indian Reservation in Arizona;
and the Standing Rock & Cheyenne River Indian Reservations in South
Dakota..
I guess you would need to go to these areas to encounter these teens.
Please note that, at this stage, such teens do not have to wear a
distinctive badge or clothing to mark them out from other children.

AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M
I've been ignored by better people than you.

[Julie Bove]

"Canth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:50:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
>>They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question is...
>>
>>Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
>>I
>>know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
>>don't
>>see any around me.
>>
>>Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type 1's.
>>Don't know of any type 2's.
>>
> According to a recent SciAm, obesity & diabetes are highest(35%+
> obese, 12%+ diabetes):-
> West of the Appalachians in Kentucky & West Virginia;
> along the Red River valley in Oklahoma,Arkansas & Louisiana;
> down the Mississippi valley in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> with a big extension through Southern Alabama into Georgia;
> around Atlanta, Augusta, and Columbia with extensions down the river
> valleys to Charleston & Savannah;
> the Navaho Indian Reservation in Arizona;
> and the Standing Rock & Cheyenne River Indian Reservations in South
> Dakota..
> I guess you would need to go to these areas to encounter these teens.
> Please note that, at this stage, such teens do not have to wear a
> distinctive badge or clothing to mark them out from other children.
>
> AS! ds++:+++ a++ c+++ p++ t+ f-- S+ p+ e++ h++ r++ n++ i+ P+ m++ M
> I've been ignored by better people than you.

Hmmm... I wonder why they are fatter there? I haven't been in that area
since I was a kid. Other than passing through South Dakota.

[GysdeJongh]

Julie Bove wrote:
> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
> question is...
> Where are these teens? I don't know of any.


They all seem to be at The Centers For Disease Control here :

<http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/childhood/data.html>

Data and Statistics
Obesity rates among all children in the United States
(Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey)

Approximately 17% (or 12.5 million) of children and adolescents aged 2-19
years are obese.
Since 1980, obesity prevalence among children and adolescents has almost
tripled.
There are significant racial and ethnic disparities in obesity prevalence
among U.S. children and adolescents. In 2007-2008, Hispanic boys, aged 2 to
19 years,were significantly more likely to be obese than non-Hispanic white
boys, and non-Hispanic black girls were significantly more likely to be
obese than non-Hispanic white girls.
Obesity rates among low-income preschool children
(Data from the Pediatric Nutrition Surveillance System)

1 of 7 low-income, preschool-aged children is obese. [Check out this Fact
Sheet to learn more (PDF-1.5Mb)]
County obesity rates are variable within states. Even states with the lowest
prevalence of obesity have counties where many low-income children are obese
and at risk for chronic disease.

[GysdeJongh]

Julie Bove wrote:
> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
> question is...
> Where are these teens?

Lots are hiding here :


<http://www.stop-childhood-obesity.com/childhood-obesity-statistics.html>

Childhood Obesity
Statistics and Trends
Childhood obesity statistics in the United States have caught the attention
of every aspect of our nation recently. Between 16 and 33 percent of
children and adolescents are obese.

[GysdeJongh]

Julie Bove wrote:
> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
> question is...
> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on
> TV. But I don't see any around me.
>
> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.

Found the rest of them in Google :


<https://www.google.nl/search?q=%22childhood+obesity%22&hl=en&safe=off&pr md=imvnsubl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=P4WfT9HHA6n54Q TxrYydAw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCAQ_ AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=905>

Gys

[ray]

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:50:58 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:

> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
> question is...
>
> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
> But I don't see any around me.
>
> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.

From what I saw on the report, only 51% were helped with metformin and
'diet restrictions'. First, they did not indicate at all WHAT diet
restrictions and they did not include exercise. I've found in my case, at
66, that I need ALL THREE to control my diabetes.

[hemyd]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>>> question is...
>>>>
>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>>>> But I don't see any around me.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>>>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage
>>> ...
>>>
>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>
>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
>>> kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
>>> concerning T-2 onset.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Budd
>>>
>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>
>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
>> started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no longer
>> skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I probably
>> developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was 27.
>
> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The Dr.
> never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have been
> gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
> Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the house.
> I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even keep juice
> down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all I would have.
>
> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our vital
> signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The teacher joked
> with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I passed out. He
> freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get me to the hospital,
> which she did not do. Instead she took me to the Dr. In those days you
> could do that.
>
> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and a
> jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her friend (a
> nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating was not
> normal.
>
> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for a
> 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big as a
> house.
>
> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during rough
> patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal amount of
> food.
>
> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I was
> furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that I did
> because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have a scale
> then so I didn't know for sure.
>
> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and after
> about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that weight.
>
> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful about
> what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza and bar
> food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember him taking me
> out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in addition to the
> breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo fast and then some.
> Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck there. It just likes that
> weight.
>
> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put some
> back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just briefly.
> This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with diabetes.
> Since then I have lost weight several times, only dropping below 200 once,
> I think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.
>
Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it better
now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight gain
happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to regain some
control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get your weight down.
My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now, and I hope you can prevent
yours from doing the same.

Henry.

[Julie Bove]

"hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnnqhu$p47$[email protected]..
>>
>> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>>>> question is...
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>>>>> But I don't see any around me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>>>>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>>>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue
>>>> other kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid"
>>>> factor concerning T-2 onset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Budd
>>>>
>>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>>
>>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
>>> started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no
>>> longer skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I
>>> probably developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was 27.
>>
>> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The
>> Dr. never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have been
>> gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
>> Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the house.
>> I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even keep juice
>> down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all I would have.
>>
>> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our
>> vital signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The
>> teacher joked with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I
>> passed out. He freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get me
>> to the hospital, which she did not do. Instead she took me to the Dr.
>> In those days you could do that.
>>
>> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
>> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and a
>> jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her friend
>> (a nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating was not
>> normal.
>>
>> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for a
>> 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big as a
>> house.
>>
>> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during
>> rough patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal
>> amount of food.
>>
>> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
>> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I was
>> furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that I did
>> because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have a scale
>> then so I didn't know for sure.
>>
>> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
>> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and
>> after about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that
>> weight.
>>
>> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful
>> about what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza and
>> bar food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember him
>> taking me out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in
>> addition to the breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo
>> fast and then some. Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck there.
>> It just likes that weight.
>>
>> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put
>> some back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just
>> briefly. This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with
>> diabetes. Since then I have lost weight several times, only dropping
>> below 200 once, I think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.
>>
> Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it better
> now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight gain
> happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to regain some
> control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get your weight
> down. My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now, and I hope you can
> prevent yours from doing the same.

Things are not looking up today. Spent two days in the 200's and now today
woke to 325. Eating the same foods and meals that prior were causing hypos.
I don't get it. I just don't get it.

[Budd Cochran]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jnnppg$mn1$[email protected]..
>
> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>> question is...
>>>
>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>>> But I don't see any around me.
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>
>>
>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...
>>
>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>
>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
>> kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
>> concerning T-2 onset.
>
> I was very underweight as a child. I used to try to put on weight and I
> could not. I could eat like a horse too. I loved salad bars which were
> more common back then than they are now. I would go to an all you can eat
> place and go back for the salad bar three or four times. I might also get
> some mashed potatoes if they had those but it was mainly salad.
>
I ate everything I could, usually to the fourth helping: age thirteen: 65
pounds / 5'5", age 15-100/ 5'6", age 18-133/ 5'9", age 20-140-5'10".

Then my first wife could not cook so it was always fast food : age 22 (going
to Basic training) 245 / 5'10" ... three weeks later: 145.

Present wife can really cook! (better than Mom!) met at age 30 and 165 ... 6
mos later: 210

Now, age 65-5'9" (again) and 208!!!!(again after 30+ years.)



--
Budd

Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.

Oy!

[W. Baker]

Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

: "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
: news:[email protected] .au...
: > "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
: >> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
: >> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
: >> is...
: >>
: >> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
: >> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
: >> don't see any around me.
: >>
: >> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
: >> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
: >>
: > I've read several reports over the past five years that Type 2 diabetes is
: > now found at an ever younger age. One report mentioned children as young
: > as 12. The increase in obesity was blamed.
: >
: > I don't know anyone personally, but that does not indicate to me that the
: > report is without foundation.

: I don't know many obese kids either except for my own and once she loses a
: few more pounds she won't be any more. They had to remeasure her at the
: dance studio and she has lost 4.5 inches off of her waist in just over two
: weeks. They thought she would need a smaller costume for ballet but I told
: them to go with the size they had on file. She is very long through the
: torso and I usually have to go up a size for leotards and this costume has a
: leotard with it.

: Anyway there are very few overweight kids at her dance studio. There is one
: older girl who looks to me like she might be a few pounds overweight but
: only a few. And a few younger girls who are a little on the chubby side.
: But most are underweight. Perhaps a few are normal weight.

: I have not seen many overweight kids at her school either or out in
public : in general. So wherever they are, they are not here. i see then
in upstate rural areas in New York. I also see some in new York City,
usually in poorer areas. Dance, particularly ballet dancers usually have
to be extremely thin if they wish to get employment. The standard of
thiness has become much more thin since the yers when I was studying
ballet in the 40's. Balanchine really loved the line of the very thin
dancer and others have now followed. I remember practically living on
fruit salad and UNsweetened ice tea summers when dancing 2 hour and a half
classes a day. I still couldn't get thin enough.

I do see kid fat in a way I dd not see them in my youth. It breaks my
heart to see them.

Wendy

[W. Baker]

Budd Cochran <[email protected]> wrote:
: "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
: > This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on insulin.
: > They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question is...
: >
: > Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only teen
: > I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV. But I
: > don't see any around me.
: >
: > Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type 1's.
: > Don't know of any type 2's.
: >

: We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they cannot
: sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage ...

: And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.

: Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue other
: kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid" factor
: concerning T-2 onset.


: --
: Budd

: Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
Did you get it as a pre-teen or teenager?

Wendy

[hemyd]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:jnnqhu$p47$[email protected]..
>>>
>>> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>>>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>>>>> question is...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>>>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on
>>>>>> TV. But I don't see any around me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
>>>>>> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>>>>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue
>>>>> other kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid"
>>>>> factor concerning T-2 onset.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Budd
>>>>>
>>>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>>>
>>>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
>>>> started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>>>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>>>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no
>>>> longer skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I
>>>> probably developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was 27.
>>>
>>> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The
>>> Dr. never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have been
>>> gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
>>> Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the
>>> house. I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even keep
>>> juice down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all I
>>> would have.
>>>
>>> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our
>>> vital signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The
>>> teacher joked with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I
>>> passed out. He freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get me
>>> to the hospital, which she did not do. Instead she took me to the Dr.
>>> In those days you could do that.
>>>
>>> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
>>> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and a
>>> jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her friend
>>> (a nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating was not
>>> normal.
>>>
>>> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for a
>>> 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big as a
>>> house.
>>>
>>> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during
>>> rough patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal
>>> amount of food.
>>>
>>> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
>>> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I
>>> was furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that I
>>> did because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have a
>>> scale then so I didn't know for sure.
>>>
>>> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
>>> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and
>>> after about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that
>>> weight.
>>>
>>> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful
>>> about what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza and
>>> bar food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember him
>>> taking me out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in
>>> addition to the breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo
>>> fast and then some. Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck there.
>>> It just likes that weight.
>>>
>>> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put
>>> some back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just
>>> briefly. This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with
>>> diabetes. Since then I have lost weight several times, only dropping
>>> below 200 once, I think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.
>>>
>> Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it better
>> now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight gain
>> happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to regain some
>> control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get your weight
>> down. My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now, and I hope you
>> can prevent yours from doing the same.
>
> Things are not looking up today. Spent two days in the 200's and now
> today woke to 325. Eating the same foods and meals that prior were
> causing hypos. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
>
Sorry if you've posted this before, Julie, but can you itemize <everything>
you ate and drank over the prior 24 hours?

Henry

[Julie Bove]

"hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jnpnv7$h0b$[email protected]..
>>
>> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:jnnqhu$p47$[email protected]..
>>>>
>>>> "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>> "Budd Cochran" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:V3Jnr.74912$[email protected]..
>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
>>>>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>>>>>> question is...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>>>>>>> teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on
>>>>>>> TV. But I don't see any around me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few
>>>>>>> type 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>>>>>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small percentage
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue
>>>>>> other kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid"
>>>>>> factor concerning T-2 onset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Budd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when I
>>>>> started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>>>>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>>>>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no
>>>>> longer skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I
>>>>> probably developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was
>>>>> 27.
>>>>
>>>> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The
>>>> Dr. never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have been
>>>> gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
>>>> Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the
>>>> house. I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even
>>>> keep juice down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all
>>>> I would have.
>>>>
>>>> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our
>>>> vital signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The
>>>> teacher joked with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I
>>>> passed out. He freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get me
>>>> to the hospital, which she did not do. Instead she took me to the Dr.
>>>> In those days you could do that.
>>>>
>>>> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
>>>> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and a
>>>> jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her friend
>>>> (a nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating was not
>>>> normal.
>>>>
>>>> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for a
>>>> 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big as a
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during
>>>> rough patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal
>>>> amount of food.
>>>>
>>>> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
>>>> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I
>>>> was furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that
>>>> I did because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have a
>>>> scale then so I didn't know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
>>>> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and
>>>> after about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that
>>>> weight.
>>>>
>>>> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful
>>>> about what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza
>>>> and bar food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember him
>>>> taking me out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in
>>>> addition to the breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo
>>>> fast and then some. Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck there.
>>>> It just likes that weight.
>>>>
>>>> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put
>>>> some back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just
>>>> briefly. This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with
>>>> diabetes. Since then I have lost weight several times, only dropping
>>>> below 200 once, I think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.
>>>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it
>>> better now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight
>>> gain happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to regain
>>> some control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get your
>>> weight down. My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now, and I
>>> hope you can prevent yours from doing the same.
>>
>> Things are not looking up today. Spent two days in the 200's and now
>> today woke to 325. Eating the same foods and meals that prior were
>> causing hypos. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
>>
> Sorry if you've posted this before, Julie, but can you itemize
> <everything> you ate and drank over the prior 24 hours?

Sure. My diet doesn't vary much. Breakfast was 2 slices of whole wheat
toast with Smart Balance Light (margarine) then each slice topped with 1
Tablespoon each of ground flax seeds and hemp hearts. 3 Tablespoons of
gelled chia seeds on the side.

No lunch.

Dinner was one whole wheat Greek Flat bread with hummus, 2 servings of raw
celery and one fruit snack made of nothing but fruit. Also a handful of
cashews.

Bedtime snack was a bean taco with Zesty Salsa refried beans on a whole
wheat tortilla.

Drinks were mainly Diet Coke with lime. Some tap water. One Talking Rain
(sparkling Spring water) and yesterday I had a Minute Maid Light lemonade.

[Julie Bove]

"W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jnq1i1$3u2$[email protected]..
> Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : "hemyd" <myd!!![email protected]> wrote in message
> : news:[email protected] .au...
> : > "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : > news:jnnfhu$b37$[email protected]..
> : >> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
> insulin.
> : >> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
> : >> is...
> : >>
> : >> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
> teen
> : >> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
> But I
> : >> don't see any around me.
> : >>
> : >> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few type
> : >> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
> : >>
> : > I've read several reports over the past five years that Type 2
> diabetes is
> : > now found at an ever younger age. One report mentioned children as
> young
> : > as 12. The increase in obesity was blamed.
> : >
> : > I don't know anyone personally, but that does not indicate to me that
> the
> : > report is without foundation.
>
> : I don't know many obese kids either except for my own and once she loses
> a
> : few more pounds she won't be any more. They had to remeasure her at the
> : dance studio and she has lost 4.5 inches off of her waist in just over
> two
> : weeks. They thought she would need a smaller costume for ballet but I
> told
> : them to go with the size they had on file. She is very long through the
> : torso and I usually have to go up a size for leotards and this costume
> has a
> : leotard with it.
>
> : Anyway there are very few overweight kids at her dance studio. There is
> one
> : older girl who looks to me like she might be a few pounds overweight but
> : only a few. And a few younger girls who are a little on the chubby
> side.
> : But most are underweight. Perhaps a few are normal weight.
>
> : I have not seen many overweight kids at her school either or out in
> public : in general. So wherever they are, they are not here. i see then
> in upstate rural areas in New York. I also see some in new York City,
> usually in poorer areas. Dance, particularly ballet dancers usually have
> to be extremely thin if they wish to get employment. The standard of
> thiness has become much more thin since the yers when I was studying
> ballet in the 40's. Balanchine really loved the line of the very thin
> dancer and others have now followed. I remember practically living on
> fruit salad and UNsweetened ice tea summers when dancing 2 hour and a half
> classes a day. I still couldn't get thin enough.
>
> I do see kid fat in a way I dd not see them in my youth. It breaks my
> heart to see them.

I actually saw more when I was a kid. One of my best friends was VERY
overweight. To the point where in high school she must have weighed at
least 400 pounds. Once we went to a concert and she foolishly tried to sit
on a fire hydrant. She wound up falling flat on her back. She couldn't get
herself up and I wasn't able to get her up either. Two guys stopped to help
us and it took all three of us to get her up.

There were some other large girls at my school but I didn't know most of
them well. In high school I had to get the costumes for a play. I asked
the performers what sizes they wore. This one really large girl insisted
that she wore a size 12. I had to buy her a dress. I was sure she didn't
wear this size because I wore a 14 and she was much larger than I was. She
then complained to me when the dress didn't fit. Said it was my fault. We
were eventually able to get her in it for the two performances but she had
to wear a long line full body girdle.

There were several overweight boys too. I remember being mad at the drama
teacher when he asked one boy what was wrong. He wasn't acting like
himself. He replied that he hadn't eaten breakfast. The teacher then
replied that it looked like he had eaten quite a few breakfasts! I really
thought that was mean. The other boy got the nickname of "farmer" because
he always wore denim overalls. I think perhaps they were the only thing he
could wear that would fit him.

[hemyd]

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>> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:jnnqhu$p47$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:FOOdneVlbIt8-gLSnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@netspace.net.au...
>>>>>> "Budd Cochran" <mr_d150@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:V3Jnr.74912$YM2.74859@newsfe05.iad...
>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>>>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So
>>>>>>>> my question is...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the
>>>>>>>> only teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on
>>>>>>>> shows on TV. But I don't see any around me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few
>>>>>>>> type 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done, they
>>>>>>> cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small
>>>>>>> percentage ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue
>>>>>>> other kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid"
>>>>>>> factor concerning T-2 onset.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Budd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when
>>>>>> I started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>>>>>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>>>>>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no
>>>>>> longer skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I
>>>>>> probably developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was
>>>>>> 27.
>>>>>
>>>>> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing. The
>>>>> Dr. never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could have
>>>>> been gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at once.
>>>>> Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave the
>>>>> house. I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't even
>>>>> keep juice down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So that's all
>>>>> I would have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our
>>>>> vital signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The
>>>>> teacher joked with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I
>>>>> passed out. He freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get
>>>>> me to the hospital, which she did not do. Instead she took me to the
>>>>> Dr. In those days you could do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
>>>>> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and
>>>>> a jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her
>>>>> friend (a nurse) was there and became very concerned because my eating
>>>>> was not normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for
>>>>> a 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big
>>>>> as a house.
>>>>>
>>>>> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during
>>>>> rough patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the minimal
>>>>> amount of food.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
>>>>> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I
>>>>> was furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure that
>>>>> I did because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't have
>>>>> a scale then so I didn't know for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
>>>>> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and
>>>>> after about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that
>>>>> weight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful
>>>>> about what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza
>>>>> and bar food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember
>>>>> him taking me out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in
>>>>> addition to the breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on sooo
>>>>> fast and then some. Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck
>>>>> there. It just likes that weight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put
>>>>> some back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just
>>>>> briefly. This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed with
>>>>> diabetes. Since then I have lost weight several times, only dropping
>>>>> below 200 once, I think. But it always flies back on me very quickly.
>>>>>
>>>> Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it
>>>> better now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight
>>>> gain happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to
>>>> regain some control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get
>>>> your weight down. My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now, and
>>>> I hope you can prevent yours from doing the same.
>>>
>>> Things are not looking up today. Spent two days in the 200's and now
>>> today woke to 325. Eating the same foods and meals that prior were
>>> causing hypos. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
>>>
>> Sorry if you've posted this before, Julie, but can you itemize
>> <everything> you ate and drank over the prior 24 hours?
>
> Sure. My diet doesn't vary much. Breakfast was 2 slices of whole wheat
> toast with Smart Balance Light (margarine) then each slice topped with 1
> Tablespoon each of ground flax seeds and hemp hearts. 3 Tablespoons of
> gelled chia seeds on the side.
>
> No lunch.
>
> Dinner was one whole wheat Greek Flat bread with hummus, 2 servings of raw
> celery and one fruit snack made of nothing but fruit. Also a handful of
> cashews.
>
> Bedtime snack was a bean taco with Zesty Salsa refried beans on a whole
> wheat tortilla.
>
> Drinks were mainly Diet Coke with lime. Some tap water. One Talking Rain
> (sparkling Spring water) and yesterday I had a Minute Maid Light lemonade.
>
The only comment I can make right now is that bread - whole grain or flat
Greek or whatever, raises my bg something evil. And the bg stays high for
ages. My wife once found some low carb bread which was indeed very bg
friendly, but the bakery stopped making it - lack of demand! I eat one slice
of multi grain toast a day at lunch at work - some fancy "nine seed whatsit"
but evn that will easily lift a fbg of 110 to 160+ an hour later. That's the
only bread I eat in a day. If I had several servings of bread I would expect
my fbg to be high the next day.

Note that I am, of course, referring to <me> and my measurements, not on
research.

Henry.

[hemyd]

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
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>
> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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>> Julie Bove <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>> : "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> : news:3q2dnapOTprkzQLSnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@netspace.net .au...
>> : > "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>> : > news:jnnfhu$b37$1@dont-email.me...
>> : >> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>> insulin.
>> : >> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my question
>> : >> is...
>> : >>
>> : >> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the only
>> teen
>> : >> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>> But I
>> : >> don't see any around me.
>> : >>
>> : >> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few
>> type
>> : >> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>> : >>
>> : > I've read several reports over the past five years that Type 2
>> diabetes is
>> : > now found at an ever younger age. One report mentioned children as
>> young
>> : > as 12. The increase in obesity was blamed.
>> : >
>> : > I don't know anyone personally, but that does not indicate to me that
>> the
>> : > report is without foundation.
>>
>> : I don't know many obese kids either except for my own and once she
>> loses a
>> : few more pounds she won't be any more. They had to remeasure her at
>> the
>> : dance studio and she has lost 4.5 inches off of her waist in just over
>> two
>> : weeks. They thought she would need a smaller costume for ballet but I
>> told
>> : them to go with the size they had on file. She is very long through
>> the
>> : torso and I usually have to go up a size for leotards and this costume
>> has a
>> : leotard with it.
>>
>> : Anyway there are very few overweight kids at her dance studio. There
>> is one
>> : older girl who looks to me like she might be a few pounds overweight
>> but
>> : only a few. And a few younger girls who are a little on the chubby
>> side.
>> : But most are underweight. Perhaps a few are normal weight.
>>
>> : I have not seen many overweight kids at her school either or out in
>> public : in general. So wherever they are, they are not here. i see then
>> in upstate rural areas in New York. I also see some in new York City,
>> usually in poorer areas. Dance, particularly ballet dancers usually have
>> to be extremely thin if they wish to get employment. The standard of
>> thiness has become much more thin since the yers when I was studying
>> ballet in the 40's. Balanchine really loved the line of the very thin
>> dancer and others have now followed. I remember practically living on
>> fruit salad and UNsweetened ice tea summers when dancing 2 hour and a
>> half
>> classes a day. I still couldn't get thin enough.
>>
>> I do see kid fat in a way I dd not see them in my youth. It breaks my
>> heart to see them.
>
> I actually saw more when I was a kid. One of my best friends was VERY
> overweight. To the point where in high school she must have weighed at
> least 400 pounds. Once we went to a concert and she foolishly tried to
> sit on a fire hydrant. She wound up falling flat on her back. She
> couldn't get herself up and I wasn't able to get her up either. Two guys
> stopped to help us and it took all three of us to get her up.
>
> There were some other large girls at my school but I didn't know most of
> them well. In high school I had to get the costumes for a play. I asked
> the performers what sizes they wore. This one really large girl insisted
> that she wore a size 12. I had to buy her a dress. I was sure she didn't
> wear this size because I wore a 14 and she was much larger than I was.
> She then complained to me when the dress didn't fit. Said it was my
> fault. We were eventually able to get her in it for the two performances
> but she had to wear a long line full body girdle.
>
> There were several overweight boys too. I remember being mad at the drama
> teacher when he asked one boy what was wrong. He wasn't acting like
> himself. He replied that he hadn't eaten breakfast. The teacher then
> replied that it looked like he had eaten quite a few breakfasts! I really
> thought that was mean. The other boy got the nickname of "farmer" because
> he always wore denim overalls. I think perhaps they were the only thing
> he could wear that would fit him.
>
At one of the local schools there was a boy, about 11 when he left, an
extremely pleasant nature but horribly obese. Father horribly obese, with
diabetes. Mother horribly obese, also with diabetes. What hope is there?

Henry.

[Julie Bove]

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>>
>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>> news:jnpnv7$h0b$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:jnnqhu$p47$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:FOOdneVlbIt8-gLSnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@netspace.net.au...
>>>>>>> "Budd Cochran" <mr_d150@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:V3Jnr.74912$YM2.74859@newsfe05.iad...
>>>>>>>> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:jnnfhu$b37$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>>>>>>>> insulin. They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So
>>>>>>>>> my question is...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the
>>>>>>>>> only teen I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on
>>>>>>>>> shows on TV. But I don't see any around me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few
>>>>>>>>> type 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We must always remember that when studies and reports are done,
>>>>>>>> they cannot sample everyone but rather a very, very, very small
>>>>>>>> percentage ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And on that we're to assume it applies to everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I was so skinny as a kid that if I stuck out my tongue
>>>>>>>> other kids called me "zipper". I'm one that disproves the "fat kid"
>>>>>>>> factor concerning T-2 onset.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Budd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every vote counts ... unless you don't vote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was most skinny as a kid - laughing stock, actually.... Then, when
>>>>>>> I started my first job back in 1965, I discovered a subsidised staff
>>>>>>> cafeteria... and I started having three course lunches... then big
>>>>>>> dinners at home. That was when the rot set in - soo after I was no
>>>>>>> longer skinny.... I was 27 when I developed my Type 2. Actually, I
>>>>>>> probably developed it a lot sooner - it just "blossomed" when I was
>>>>>>> 27.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My weight came on in my teens. I had some sort of stomach thing.
>>>>>> The Dr. never figured it out but it seems to me now that it could
>>>>>> have been gastroparesis. Food was coming out of me from both ends at
>>>>>> once. Projectile vomiting. It was very painful and I couldn't leave
>>>>>> the house. I began to be frightened of food and drink. I couldn't
>>>>>> even keep juice down. But I could drink water and diet soda. So
>>>>>> that's all I would have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got down to 85 pounds and was so weak that when we were taking our
>>>>>> vital signs in biology class, I couldn't find my pulse or BP. The
>>>>>> teacher joked with me that I should be dead. Not long after that I
>>>>>> passed out. He freaked! Called my mom and home and told her to get
>>>>>> me to the hospital, which she did not do. Instead she took me to the
>>>>>> Dr. In those days you could do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Dr. prescribed something that he said was a vitamin to pep up my
>>>>>> appetite. It made me sooo hungry I ate an entire box of saltines and
>>>>>> a jar of peanut butter then asked my mom what was for dinner? Her
>>>>>> friend (a nurse) was there and became very concerned because my
>>>>>> eating was not normal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I quickly shot up to 145 pounds which is a perfectly normal weigh for
>>>>>> a 5'7" female but because I was so used to being thin, I felt as big
>>>>>> as a house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I maintained that weight for many years, only getting thinner during
>>>>>> rough patches where I couldn't afford to buy any more than the
>>>>>> minimal amount of food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then something happened. I can't remember my exact age. But a guy I
>>>>>> worked with walked up to me and declared that I weight 180 pounds. I
>>>>>> was furious! Told him that I did not. He said he was pretty sure
>>>>>> that I did because he was a good judge of people's weights. I didn't
>>>>>> have a scale then so I didn't know for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not long after that I went to the Dr. and they weighed me. I was
>>>>>> horrified to see 198 on the scale. I immediately went on a diet and
>>>>>> after about a year got down to 170. I actually looked thin at that
>>>>>> weight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I managed to keep that weight off for 3 years but I was very careful
>>>>>> about what I ate. Then I met my now husband. He was big into pizza
>>>>>> and bar food and wasn't at all careful what he ate. I can remember
>>>>>> him taking me out for breakfast and ordering Crepes Suzette for me in
>>>>>> addition to the breakfast I had ordered. I packed that weight on
>>>>>> sooo fast and then some. Shot up to 220 and my body seems to be stuck
>>>>>> there. It just likes that weight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had gained 22 pounds when pregnant. Lost some of that but then put
>>>>>> some back on because I had to order a larger size in pants. Just
>>>>>> briefly. This was around the same time frame when I was diagnosed
>>>>>> with diabetes. Since then I have lost weight several times, only
>>>>>> dropping below 200 once, I think. But it always flies back on me
>>>>>> very quickly.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for sharing this with us, Julie. I think I understand it
>>>>> better now - without fully understanding the mechanism by which weight
>>>>> gain happens. As I said in earlier posts, I hope you do manage to
>>>>> regain some control over your bgs; I hope you do manage somehow to get
>>>>> your weight down. My long term diabetes is beginning to zap me now,
>>>>> and I hope you can prevent yours from doing the same.
>>>>
>>>> Things are not looking up today. Spent two days in the 200's and now
>>>> today woke to 325. Eating the same foods and meals that prior were
>>>> causing hypos. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
>>>>
>>> Sorry if you've posted this before, Julie, but can you itemize
>>> <everything> you ate and drank over the prior 24 hours?
>>
>> Sure. My diet doesn't vary much. Breakfast was 2 slices of whole wheat
>> toast with Smart Balance Light (margarine) then each slice topped with 1
>> Tablespoon each of ground flax seeds and hemp hearts. 3 Tablespoons of
>> gelled chia seeds on the side.
>>
>> No lunch.
>>
>> Dinner was one whole wheat Greek Flat bread with hummus, 2 servings of
>> raw celery and one fruit snack made of nothing but fruit. Also a handful
>> of cashews.
>>
>> Bedtime snack was a bean taco with Zesty Salsa refried beans on a whole
>> wheat tortilla.
>>
>> Drinks were mainly Diet Coke with lime. Some tap water. One Talking
>> Rain (sparkling Spring water) and yesterday I had a Minute Maid Light
>> lemonade.
>>
> The only comment I can make right now is that bread - whole grain or flat
> Greek or whatever, raises my bg something evil. And the bg stays high for
> ages. My wife once found some low carb bread which was indeed very bg
> friendly, but the bakery stopped making it - lack of demand! I eat one
> slice of multi grain toast a day at lunch at work - some fancy "nine seed
> whatsit" but evn that will easily lift a fbg of 110 to 160+ an hour later.
> That's the only bread I eat in a day. If I had several servings of bread I
> would expect my fbg to be high the next day.
>
> Note that I am, of course, referring to <me> and my measurements, not on
> research.
>
> Henry.

Between the food intolerances and the gastroparesis, there's not much else I
can eat. I can't have chicken, any sort of fish or seafood, eggs or dairy.
Also can't have multigrain because of the oats and/or rye. And can't do low
carb bread because what we have here has soy in it. Soy messes with my
thyroid.

Bread is usually fine for me. I am not doing what I would call spiking
because my BG isn't really going up much after I eat. It was up quite a bit
this morning but I don't know why. Aside from my whopping morning number,
my BG is pretty stable. But about 100 points higher than it should be.

I suppose that allergies could be causing a problem. And I do seem to be
getting over a yeast infection. The symptoms of that started as soon as I
noticed the higher numbers.

[Julie Bove]

"hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:jnq1i1$3u2$2@reader1.panix.com...
>>> Julie Bove <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> : "hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>> : news:3q2dnapOTprkzQLSnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@netspace.net .au...
>>> : > "Julie Bove" <juliebove@frontier.com> wrote in message
>>> : > news:jnnfhu$b37$1@dont-email.me...
>>> : >> This according to CBS news. They say the others will wind up on
>>> insulin.
>>> : >> They also say that diabetes is on the rise in teens. So my
>>> question
>>> : >> is...
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Where are these teens? I don't know of any. And Angela is the
>>> only teen
>>> : >> I know with pre-diabetes. Yes, I have seen a few on shows on TV.
>>> But I
>>> : >> don't see any around me.
>>> : >>
>>> : >> Does anyone here know of any type 2 kids or teens? I know a few
>>> type
>>> : >> 1's. Don't know of any type 2's.
>>> : >>
>>> : > I've read several reports over the past five years that Type 2
>>> diabetes is
>>> : > now found at an ever younger age. One report mentioned children as
>>> young
>>> : > as 12. The increase in obesity was blamed.
>>> : >
>>> : > I don't know anyone personally, but that does not indicate to me
>>> that the
>>> : > report is without foundation.
>>>
>>> : I don't know many obese kids either except for my own and once she
>>> loses a
>>> : few more pounds she won't be any more. They had to remeasure her at
>>> the
>>> : dance studio and she has lost 4.5 inches off of her waist in just over
>>> two
>>> : weeks. They thought she would need a smaller costume for ballet but I
>>> told
>>> : them to go with the size they had on file. She is very long through
>>> the
>>> : torso and I usually have to go up a size for leotards and this costume
>>> has a
>>> : leotard with it.
>>>
>>> : Anyway there are very few overweight kids at her dance studio. There
>>> is one
>>> : older girl who looks to me like she might be a few pounds overweight
>>> but
>>> : only a few. And a few younger girls who are a little on the chubby
>>> side.
>>> : But most are underweight. Perhaps a few are normal weight.
>>>
>>> : I have not seen many overweight kids at her school either or out in
>>> public : in general. So wherever they are, they are not here. i see
>>> then
>>> in upstate rural areas in New York. I also see some in new York City,
>>> usually in poorer areas. Dance, particularly ballet dancers usually
>>> have
>>> to be extremely thin if they wish to get employment. The standard of
>>> thiness has become much more thin since the yers when I was studying
>>> ballet in the 40's. Balanchine really loved the line of the very thin
>>> dancer and others have now followed. I remember practically living on
>>> fruit salad and UNsweetened ice tea summers when dancing 2 hour and a
>>> half
>>> classes a day. I still couldn't get thin enough.
>>>
>>> I do see kid fat in a way I dd not see them in my youth. It breaks my
>>> heart to see them.
>>
>> I actually saw more when I was a kid. One of my best friends was VERY
>> overweight. To the point where in high school she must have weighed at
>> least 400 pounds. Once we went to a concert and she foolishly tried to
>> sit on a fire hydrant. She wound up falling flat on her back. She
>> couldn't get herself up and I wasn't able to get her up either. Two guys
>> stopped to help us and it took all three of us to get her up.
>>
>> There were some other large girls at my school but I didn't know most of
>> them well. In high school I had to get the costumes for a play. I asked
>> the performers what sizes they wore. This one really large girl insisted
>> that she wore a size 12. I had to buy her a dress. I was sure she
>> didn't wear this size because I wore a 14 and she was much larger than I
>> was. She then complained to me when the dress didn't fit. Said it was my
>> fault. We were eventually able to get her in it for the two performances
>> but she had to wear a long line full body girdle.
>>
>> There were several overweight boys too. I remember being mad at the
>> drama teacher when he asked one boy what was wrong. He wasn't acting
>> like himself. He replied that he hadn't eaten breakfast. The teacher
>> then replied that it looked like he had eaten quite a few breakfasts! I
>> really thought that was mean. The other boy got the nickname of "farmer"
>> because he always wore denim overalls. I think perhaps they were the
>> only thing he could wear that would fit him.
>>
> At one of the local schools there was a boy, about 11 when he left, an
> extremely pleasant nature but horribly obese. Father horribly obese, with
> diabetes. Mother horribly obese, also with diabetes. What hope is there?

My very fat friend had a dad who was retired military. He seemed to have
let himself go very badly after he got out of the Army. The mom worked at
the hospital. I was shocked to see how they ate at home. They bought
things in bulk at the military commissary. The mom added fat to everything
she cooked. I saw her fry hot dogs.

There were also no parents around when the kids got home from school. They
were allowed to eat whatever they wanted. Candy, cookies, massive
quantities of grilled cheese sandwiches. Regular Coke.

I also learned that my friend was somehow sneakily eating the food . She had
opened a box of chocolate covered mint patties. I never actually saw her
eat one. One in a while I would see her hand quickly swipe by her mouth as
she was talking. But in a few minutes there was no candy left.