Mississippi Fat Burning

Regina Wilshire has posted a copy of Mississippi's attempt
to force the obese to lose weight by denying them restaurant
service.
http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot....staurants.html
or http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/

I checked the date. It's not April 1st. Beggars belief.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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That is not Missisisippi's attempt to do that--it is a proposal by
apparently 3 state legislators for such a law. There is no indication
that the law has been referred to a committee, or has been voted on
yet ,either by a committee or by either house of the full legislature.

Don't know about Oz, but in our country, all kinds of bizarre
proposals get introduced into the legislatures at all levels.
Generally only the costliest ones, such as spending as much money as
the rest of the world combined on "defense," get passed.

Rest assured, this one will die a quiet death...

Morris


On Feb 1, 2:30 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Regina Wilshire has posted a copy of Mississippi's attempt
> to force the obese to lose weight by denying them restaurant
> service.http://weightoftheevidence.blogspot....troduced-to-ma...
> orhttp://weightoftheevidence.blogspot.com/
>
> I checked the date. It's not April 1st. Beggars belief.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest: LuckyKat

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:12:15 -0800 (PST), morris
<morrisolder@comcast.net> wrote:

>That is not Missisisippi's attempt to do that--it is a proposal by
>apparently 3 state legislators for such a law. There is no indication
>that the law has been referred to a committee, or has been voted on
>yet ,either by a committee or by either house of the full legislature.
>
>Don't know about Oz, but in our country, all kinds of bizarre
>proposals get introduced into the legislatures at all levels.
>Generally only the costliest ones, such as spending as much money as
>the rest of the world combined on "defense," get passed.
>
>Rest assured, this one will die a quiet death...
>
>Morris

Thanks Morris

Good to hear that. I can see it as the thin end of the wedge
for all sorts of discrimination.

We may have bizarre laws proposed here, but not quite as
weird at State or Federal level as that one.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest: LuckyKat

On Feb 1, 7:12�pm, morris <morrisol...@comcast.net> wrote:
> That is not Missisisippi's attempt to do that--it is a proposal by
> apparently 3 state legislators for such a law. There is no indication
> that the law has been referred to a committee, or has been voted on
> yet ,either by a committee or by either house of the full legislature.
>
> Don't know about Oz, but in our country, all kinds of bizarre
> proposals get introduced into the legislatures at all levels.
> Generally only the costliest ones, such as spending as much money as
> the rest of the world combined on "defense," get passed.
>
> Rest assured, this one will die a quiet death...

True dat. I don't know what is stranger...the proposed law, or the
title of this thread. In any case it will go nowhere. Although, as
bizarre as this proposal is I can see the thinking behind it. Obesity
is become an epidemic. What do we do about it? All the talk here in
the newsgroup is so specific to diet and the minutia we argue about.
The truth is that people in general don't listen to the basic medical
advice that has been around for years - eat healthier foods and
exercise more. Some here blame doctors for everything, but that's not
the problem. The fault, Horatio, is not in the stars but in
ourselves. Most obesity is not a gland problem, or a heriditary
problem, or any other kind of medical problem...it is a lack of
discipline and a choice to raise a big middle finger up to the
establishment that recommends better eating habits. You can't
legistlate willpower, but something has to be done.

Kurt

Alan S wrote:
> Good to hear that. I can see it as the thin end of the wedge
> for all sorts of discrimination.

No, the thin end is already come around. Numerous USA jurisdictions
have passed legislation prohibiting restaurant owners from making
their own decisions on whether to allow smoking on their property.

I have never smoked, but I resent not only the government's
interference, but also the implication that I'm too stupid
to decide where I will eat.

Here in Fort Wayne, we decreed that smoking sections of restaurants
must be completely enclosed. Then, after proprietors who chose to
stay in business spent lots of money remodeling, we decreed
no smoking at all.

So, I hope Mississippi legislators won't be that stupid, but
I'm not optimistic.

Off-topic: Mississippi ratified the fourteenth amendment
(which officially ended slavery in USA) in 1976.

--
Wes Groleau

Words of the Wild Wes(t) = http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW

Wes Groleau wrote in message ...

>I have never smoked, but I resent not only the government's
>interference, but also the implication that I'm too stupid
>to decide where I will eat.

True, for so many things.

Cheri

Wes Groleau wrote:
> Alan S wrote:
>
>> Good to hear that. I can see it as the thin end of the wedge
>> for all sorts of discrimination.
>
>
> No, the thin end is already come around. Numerous USA jurisdictions
> have passed legislation prohibiting restaurant owners from making
> their own decisions on whether to allow smoking on their property.
>
> I have never smoked, but I resent not only the government's
> interference, but also the implication that I'm too stupid
> to decide where I will eat.
>
> Here in Fort Wayne, we decreed that smoking sections of restaurants
> must be completely enclosed. Then, after proprietors who chose to
> stay in business spent lots of money remodeling, we decreed
> no smoking at all.
>
> So, I hope Mississippi legislators won't be that stupid, but
> I'm not optimistic.
>
> Off-topic: Mississippi ratified the fourteenth amendment
> (which officially ended slavery in USA) in 1976.
>
Yesterday marked the first day of smoking ban in restaurants and some
other public places in Maryland.

Frank

Kurt <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 7:12???pm, morris <morrisol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> That is not Missisisippi's attempt to do that--it is a proposal by
>> apparently 3 state legislators for such a law. There is no indication
>> that the law has been referred to a committee, or has been voted on
>> yet ,either by a committee or by either house of the full legislature.
>>
>> Don't know about Oz, but in our country, all kinds of bizarre
>> proposals get introduced into the legislatures at all levels.
>> Generally only the costliest ones, such as spending as much money as
>> the rest of the world combined on "defense," get passed.
>>
>> Rest assured, this one will die a quiet death...

> True dat. I don't know what is stranger...the proposed law, or the
> title of this thread. In any case it will go nowhere. Although, as
> bizarre as this proposal is I can see the thinking behind it. Obesity
> is become an epidemic. What do we do about it? All the talk here in
> the newsgroup is so specific to diet and the minutia we argue about.
> The truth is that people in general don't listen to the basic medical
> advice that has been around for years - eat healthier foods and
> exercise more. Some here blame doctors for everything, but that's not
> the problem. The fault, Horatio, is not in the stars but in
> ourselves. Most obesity is not a gland problem, or a heriditary
> problem, or any other kind of medical problem...it is a lack of
> discipline and a choice to raise a big middle finger up to the
> establishment that recommends better eating habits. You can't
> legistlate willpower, but something has to be done.

In that case it seems like fifty years ago people had more a lot more
willpower. What happened? Can't we change things so that people have
the willpower again that they used to have?

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

This was referred to committee on 1/25/08. Hopefully it's regarded as
unconstitutional for violating many of the anti-discriminotory laws
already in place.

http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/200.../HB/HB0282.xml

Description: Food establishments; prohibit from serving food to any
person who is obese.

Background Information:
Disposition: Active
Deadline: General Bill/Constitutional Amendment
Revenue: No
Vote type required: Majority
Effective date: July 1, 2008


History of Actions:
1 01/25 (H) Referred To Public Health and Human Services;Judiciary
B


----- Additional Information -----

House Committee: Public Health and Human Services*, Judiciary B

Principal Author: Mayhall
Additional Authors: Read, Shows

morris wrote:
>this one will die a quiet death...

Not all *that* quiet.
It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
about it all the way down in Australia! lol!

Port

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
wrote:

>morris wrote:
>>this one will die a quiet death...
>
>Not all *that* quiet.
>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
>
>Port

They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest: LuckyKat

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:

>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
>wrote:
>
>>morris wrote:
>>>this one will die a quiet death...
>>
>>Not all *that* quiet.
>>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
>>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
>>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
>>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
>>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
>>
>>Port
>
>They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...

Trust me: Mississippi isn't the "big world."
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:47:35 GMT in Msg.#
<hookq3dnbr50h3lfuqg946ash8molq7gck@4ax.com>, Jim Chinnis
<jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>
> >On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>Not all *that* quiet.
> >>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
> >>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
> >>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
> >>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
> >>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
> >
> >They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...
>
> Trust me: Mississippi isn't the "big world."

Yeah, the last thing Mississippians want to make the news for ... is the
kind of thing they make the news for.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel
"Fall seven times, stand up eight." - Japanese Proverb

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:47:35 GMT, Jim Chinnis
<jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:

>Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
>>wrote:
>>
>>>morris wrote:
>>>>this one will die a quiet death...
>>>
>>>Not all *that* quiet.
>>>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
>>>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
>>>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
>>>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
>>>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
>>>
>>>Port
>>
>>They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...
>
>Trust me: Mississippi isn't the "big world."

True, but I did find it an interesting place. Spent 3 months
in Biloxi (Keesler AFB) in '67 and revisited for a few days
in 2003.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
Latest: LuckyKat

Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:

>On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:47:35 GMT, Jim Chinnis
><jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>>Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>morris wrote:
>>>>>this one will die a quiet death...
>>>>
>>>>Not all *that* quiet.
>>>>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
>>>>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
>>>>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
>>>>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
>>>>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
>>>>
>>>>Port
>>>
>>>They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...
>>
>>Trust me: Mississippi isn't the "big world."
>
>True, but I did find it an interesting place. Spent 3 months
>in Biloxi (Keesler AFB) in '67 and revisited for a few days
>in 2003.

I spent the night in Greenville a couple of weeks ago. Dinner at "Doe's
Eating Place" was an experience!
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Alan S wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:47:35 GMT, Jim Chinnis
> <jchinnis@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>Alan S <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in part:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:56:32 -0600, Port@nospam.invalid
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>this one will die a quiet death...
>>>>
>>>>Not all *that* quiet.
>>>>It's been the subject of constant wisecracks and jokes every morning
>>>>in the coffee shop I frequent. Mostly by my overweight coffee drinking
>>>>buddies. Frankly, I'd hoped word wouldn't have leaked out of Jackson
>>>>or at most out of MS. It's a little embarassing to find they've heard
>>>>about it all the way down in Australia! lol!
>>>>
>>>>Port
>>>
>>>They sometimes allow us to peek out into the big world...
>>
>>Trust me: Mississippi isn't the "big world."
>
>
> True, but I did find it an interesting place. Spent 3 months
> in Biloxi (Keesler AFB) in '67 and revisited for a few days
> in 2003.
>


Katrina was not nice to Biloxi. It will be a few more years before the
area is recovered. The casinos are nearly back to full speed.

Frank

Jefferson wrote:
> Katrina was not nice to Biloxi. It will be a few more years before the
> area is recovered. The casinos are nearly back to full speed.

While people are still homeless.
Yep, they have their priorities straight!

--
Wes Groleau

"In the field of language teaching, Method A is the logical
contradiction of Method B: if the assumptions from which
A claims to be derived are correct, then B cannot work,
and vice versa. Yet one colleague is getting excellent
results with A and another is getting comparable results
with B. How is this possible?"
-- Earl W. Stevick

In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:24:37 GMT in Msg.#
<VqMqj.30932$xE.8912@trnddc01>, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
wrote:

> Jefferson wrote:
> > Katrina was not nice to Biloxi. It will be a few more years before the
> > area is recovered. The casinos are nearly back to full speed.
>
> While people are still homeless.
> Yep, they have their priorities straight!

Well, I hear you, but the casinos are a major source of jobs & so fuel the
economy in the area.

--
DonnaB shallotpeel

"Write down the advice of him who loves you, though you like it not at
present." - English Proverb

Wes Groleau wrote:
> Alan S wrote:
>> Good to hear that. I can see it as the thin end of the wedge
>> for all sorts of discrimination.
>
> No, the thin end is already come around. Numerous USA jurisdictions
> have passed legislation prohibiting restaurant owners from making
> their own decisions on whether to allow smoking on their property.
>
> I have never smoked, but I resent not only the government's
> interference, but also the implication that I'm too stupid
> to decide where I will eat.
>
> Here in Fort Wayne, we decreed that smoking sections of restaurants
> must be completely enclosed. Then, after proprietors who chose to
> stay in business spent lots of money remodeling, we decreed
> no smoking at all.
>
> So, I hope Mississippi legislators won't be that stupid, but
> I'm not optimistic.
>
> Off-topic: Mississippi ratified the fourteenth amendment
> (which officially ended slavery in USA) in 1976.
>

We may live to see the "nanny state" in full force, all predicated on
the belief that government has the right to regulate what it funds. If
it funds health care, then it may regulate food consumption based on
everything we know about the food/health connection.

So far, I've liked the mandated changes like food labeling, restaurant
health scores and tamper-proof packaging, but there will be things
coming down that we don't like, especially when the full costs of
diabesity begin weighing down the economy.

You're seeing it in the beginning stages where school boards are getting
rid of junk food and soft drink machines on public school campuses, but
it won't likely stop there. We just haven't felt the full pain. As
technology advances and gets more expensive, people will demand those
treatments and costs will increase leading to more nanny state control.
It's inevitable. Even Gov. Huckabee talked about lowering health costs
by improving fitness rather than treating it expensively with medicine.
He's right, but that line of thinking could easily lead to strong
measures against the reluctant.

Too bad Orwell's not around to write a sequel.

Big Brother Is Weighing You.


--
Wes Groleau

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns
it, and finds himself no wiser than before ... He is full of
murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having
come by their ignorance the hard way.
-- Kurt Vonnegut

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:11:11 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:

>
>Too bad Orwell's not around to write a sequel.
>
>Big Brother Is Weighing You.

I can see it now. As you step up to the Maccas service point
the floor sensor weighs you and the height sensor checks
your height. As you touch the counter your fingerprints are
read. As the youngster keys in your order an alert flashes
"sorry, you can't have fries with that" or "triple
cheeseburger exceeds burger calorie limit for this customer"
or "links to city HbA1c records show customer on carb
restriction - order reduced to salad".

Drive-throughs will become illegal and go the way of the
drive-in movie.

At the other end of the scale, if the sensors show your BMI
is less than 16 you will be force-fed Big Macs.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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