More Crazy BG's

Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster ride.



I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad (tomato,
lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper and
ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2 hours
after dinner) - 100 - 120.



Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg 69 -
10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented the
"Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?



If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it, loudly,
by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned car
at midnight every night).



John

(maybe I've just reached puberty)

"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
> ride.
>
>
>
> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> (tomato,
> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
> and
> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
> hours
> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
>
>
> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
> 69 -
> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented the
> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>
>
>
> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
> loudly,
> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned car
> at midnight every night).

Actually, vinegar is purported to lower BG. Some people drink it before
eating. It's also purported to help with weight loss.

"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
> ride.
>
> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> (tomato,
> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
> and
> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
> hours
> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
> 69 -
> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented the
> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>
> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
> loudly,
> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned car
> at midnight every night).

>
> John
>
> (maybe I've just reached puberty)
>
I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...ticle&sid=2475

John

Cool, the article you posted says vinegar may be able to help with weight
loss as well as diabetes. Now, I am going to have to experiment with it
more. Thank goodness I found balsamic vinegar recently because I really
hate other vinegars.

KC


"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:THdti.147$vK2.134@trnddc03...
>
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
>> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
>> ride.
>>
>> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
>> (tomato,
>> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
>> and
>> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
>> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
>> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
>> hours
>> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>>
>> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
>> 69 -
>> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
>> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
>> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented
>> the
>> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
>> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>>
>> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
>> loudly,
>> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
>> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
>> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned
>> car
>> at midnight every night).
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> (maybe I've just reached puberty)
>>
> I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
> issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...ticle&sid=2475
>
> John
>

On Aug 5, 7:09 pm, "KC" <nom...@forme.com> wrote:
> Cool, the article you posted says vinegar may be able to help with weight
> loss as well as diabetes. Now, I am going to have to experiment with it
> more. Thank goodness I found balsamic vinegar recently because I really
> hate other vinegars.
>
> KC
>
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:THdti.147$vK2.134@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
> >> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
> >> ride.
>
> >> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> >> (tomato,
> >> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
> >> and
> >> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
> >> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
> >> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
> >> hours
> >> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
> >> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
> >> 69 -
> >> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
> >> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
> >> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented
> >> the
> >> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
> >> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>
> >> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
> >> loudly,
> >> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
> >> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
> >> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned
> >> car
> >> at midnight every night).
>
> >> John
>
> >> (maybe I've just reached puberty)
>
> > I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
> > issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
> >http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...file=article&s...
>
> > John

Balsamic vinegar, and a little olive oil, works for me as a salad
dressing. I (almost) don't miss mayonnaise.

Sharah
T2

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:41:15 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

>If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it, loudly,
>by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
>particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
>could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned car
>at midnight every night).

Vinegar does - usually not Balsamic, which is pretty sugary, but a
nice cider or wine vinegar, or even just some pickles with a meal, can
lower your bg noticeably.

So can washing the car, of course... it's interesting that you went so
low; that implies that something had turned off the liver's
contribution. I tend to use alcohol for that, but 2 beers isn't likely
to do that to a male who's used to that level.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:34:55 -0700, Sharah <Web_Sharah@yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:
>Balsamic vinegar, and a little olive oil, works for me as a salad
>dressing. I (almost) don't miss mayonnaise.

What's wrong with mayo? Make it from scratch if the pre-made stuff you
buy is too carby, then you know it's not going to spike you. Not that
there's anything wrong with a nice vinaigrette..

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:34:55 -0700, Sharah
<Web_Sharah@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

>On Aug 5, 7:09 pm, "KC" <nom...@forme.com> wrote:
>> Cool, the article you posted says vinegar may be able to help with weight
>> loss as well as diabetes. Now, I am going to have to experiment with it
>> more. Thank goodness I found balsamic vinegar recently because I really
>> hate other vinegars.
>>
>> KC
>>
>> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:THdti.147$vK2.134@trnddc03...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
>> >> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
>> >> ride.
>>
>> >> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
>> >> (tomato,
>> >> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
>> >> and
>> >> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
>> >> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
>> >> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
>> >> hours
>> >> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>>
>> >> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
>> >> 69 -
>> >> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
>> >> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
>> >> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented
>> >> the
>> >> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
>> >> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>>
>> >> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
>> >> loudly,
>> >> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
>> >> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
>> >> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned
>> >> car
>> >> at midnight every night).
>>
>> >> John
>>
>> >> (maybe I've just reached puberty)
>>
>> > I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
>> > issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
>> >http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...file=article&s...
>>
>> > John
>
>Balsamic vinegar, and a little olive oil, works for me as a salad
>dressing. I (almost) don't miss mayonnaise.
>
>Sharah
>T2

A trick I use for mayo is to make up a dressing of 1/2
full-fat real Mayo and 1/2 unsweetened 2% fat home-made
yoghurt. Add chopped herbs to taste and maybe a little
chopped chili or mustard powder. Sometimes some chopped
capers or chives.

The yoghurt adds a slightly different texture and flavour
while cutting the fat down with minimal extra carbs.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Aug 5, 8:55 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:34:55 -0700, Sharah
>
>
>
> <Web_Sha...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> >On Aug 5, 7:09 pm, "KC" <nom...@forme.com> wrote:
> >> Cool, the article you posted says vinegar may be able to help with weight
> >> loss as well as diabetes. Now, I am going to have to experiment with it
> >> more. Thank goodness I found balsamic vinegar recently because I really
> >> hate other vinegars.
>
> >> KC
>
> >> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:THdti.147$vK2.134@trnddc03...
>
> >> > "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
> >> >> Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
> >> >> ride.
>
> >> >> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> >> >> (tomato,
> >> >> lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
> >> >> and
> >> >> ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
> >> >> or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
> >> >> diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
> >> >> hours
> >> >> after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
> >> >> Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg
> >> >> 69 -
> >> >> 10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
> >> >> tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
> >> >> whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented
> >> >> the
> >> >> "Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
> >> >> ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?
>
> >> >> If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
> >> >> loudly,
> >> >> by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
> >> >> particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
> >> >> could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned
> >> >> car
> >> >> at midnight every night).
>
> >> >> John
>
> >> >> (maybe I've just reached puberty)
>
> >> > I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
> >> > issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
> >> >http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...file=article&s...
>
> >> > John
>
> >Balsamic vinegar, and a little olive oil, works for me as a salad
> >dressing. I (almost) don't miss mayonnaise.
>
> >Sharah
> >T2
>
> A trick I use for mayo is to make up a dressing of 1/2
> full-fat real Mayo and 1/2 unsweetened 2% fat home-made
> yoghurt. Add chopped herbs to taste and maybe a little
> chopped chili or mustard powder. Sometimes some chopped
> capers or chives.
>
> The yoghurt adds a slightly different texture and flavour
> while cutting the fat down with minimal extra carbs.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforesthttp://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Sounds good. Have you tested it with french fries? When I was a
student late night snacks of french fries and mustard mayo were my
brain restorative:-)

Sharah
T2

"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in message
news:943bb3t1j75e4id9c0r45r3adt9q2lvb01@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:41:15 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>If vinegar lowered bgs that much I'm sure we'd have heard about it,
>>loudly,
>>by now. I'm wondering if it, in combination with other specifics in my
>>particular diet could have an effect - or, if washing the car at midnight
>>could have done it (I'll eat the vinegar but 'm not washing the damned car
>>at midnight every night).
>
> Vinegar does - usually not Balsamic, which is pretty sugary, but a
> nice cider or wine vinegar, or even just some pickles with a meal, can
> lower your bg noticeably.
>
> So can washing the car, of course... it's interesting that you went so
> low; that implies that something had turned off the liver's
> contribution. I tend to use alcohol for that, but 2 beers isn't likely
> to do that to a male who's used to that level.
>
> Nicky.
>
.......non-alcoholic beers

John

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:41:15 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

>Life goes on with little or no surprise. Except last night - 2 hour bg 69 -
>10 minutes later - 76. WTF? Last night, I think, was the first time I've
>tested after drenching my lettuce in balsamic vinegar (thanks, again, to
>whoever turned me on to that delightful stuff). Could we have invented the
>"Balsamic Cure?" Will we get rich from it? Will wealth spoil us? Will I
>ever get another chance to nail those two girls from the yacht?

It probably was not the vinegar, John.... Balsamic has a significant
sugar content.

Will, T2

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:25:16 -0700, Sharah
<Web_Sharah@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

>Sounds good. Have you tested it with french fries? When I was a
>student late night snacks of french fries and mustard mayo were my
>brain restorative:-)
>
>Sharah
>T2

I'm afraid I reserve my ration of chips(fries) for those
times when I steal a few of my wife's plate. If I dip them
in anything (rare) it would be ketchup.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Alan S wrote in message ...

>I'm afraid I reserve my ration of chips(fries) for those
>times when I steal a few of my wife's plate. If I dip them
>in anything (rare) it would be ketchup.

If I was going really going to dip them in anything, it would be
gravy. I used to love fries and gravy when I was a kid. Sometimes we
would go to this little restaurant which had the best, "but that was
yesterday, and yesterdays gone." :-)

Cheri

johnniemccoy@ wrote:

> I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
> issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...ticle&sid=2475
>
> John

So by chance you fell into something.

Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in
Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes -
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi.../full/27/1/281

First, Acetic acid is contained in vinegar.
Second, Acetic acid is produced when ethanol (as in wine, beer, etc.) is
metabolized. Alan will like this note.

I came across the following in a google group search of blood+glucose+
acetic+acid, but did not verify the science involved:

"...acetic acid is the next oxidation product of ethanol, and these
things usually happen in sequence (actually, ethanAL, the aldehyde is
next, but no matter).
But the issue is not whether CV (cider vinegar) is a magical
cure-all. I believe the poster conceded that ALL vinegars have some
effect. And although it is true that acetic acid itself is essentially
a VERY short chain fatty acid, with no putative dietary requirements,
wierder things have happened. It is curious that a wretched molecule
like acetic acid should be the mainstay in salad dressings!
I maintain interest in this because of my own very wierd
cravings for vinegar (and heavy cream, by the pint!), which I do not
think occur in a vacuum. If I may speculate a little on acetic acid.
Acetic acid is the unactivated precursor to acetyl-CoA, which
is fed right into mitochondrial TCA cycle. Other posters have assured
me that acetic acid is in fact activated, like any other fatty acid, for
final entry into this TCA cycle. However, it may have an advantage of
not needing the transport machinery to get into the mitochondria (as do
regular activated FAs), or, it may be transportable elsewhere. It is
unusual, at the very least.
Next, acetic acid is definitely not absorbed in the same way as
free fatty acids or triglycerides, as it is NOT a lipid, yet it is
metabolized as a short chain fatty acid. But in the meantime, it is
floating around in the blood as acetic acid. What is interesting about
this is that the pK of acetic acid renders it essentially intact
(un-ionized, ie, a weak acid), which gives it a certain mobility across
cell membranes, and also means it probably contributes negligibly to pH
loading, or acidifying, of the blood. (This is no doubt going to cause
furor here!) Which means it could have some small-molecule regulatory
effects. It's also handy to have around if esters need to be made.
Nothing to write home about perhaps, but interesting nonetheless.
Regarding the acidifying of blood issue, it could be that some people
need whatever amount of pH loading it does provide, or for some reason
need it as part of the blood buffering system."

The hand is quicker than the eye.

Frank

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:14:31 -0400, Jefferson
<fwroy@adelphia.netxeopheno> wrote:

>johnniemccoy@ wrote:
>
>> I guess I should have Googled before posting. Seems like vinegar is an
>> issue.. lots of sites. Here's just one of them:
>> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/mod...ticle&sid=2475
>>
>> John
>
>So by chance you fell into something.
>
>Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in
>Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes -
>http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi.../full/27/1/281
>
>First, Acetic acid is contained in vinegar.
>Second, Acetic acid is produced when ethanol (as in wine, beer, etc.) is
>metabolized. Alan will like this note.
>
>I came across the following in a google group search of blood+glucose+
>acetic+acid, but did not verify the science involved:
>
> "...acetic acid is the next oxidation product of ethanol, and these
>things usually happen in sequence (actually, ethanAL, the aldehyde is
>next, but no matter).
> But the issue is not whether CV (cider vinegar) is a magical
>cure-all. I believe the poster conceded that ALL vinegars have some
>effect. And although it is true that acetic acid itself is essentially
>a VERY short chain fatty acid, with no putative dietary requirements,
>wierder things have happened. It is curious that a wretched molecule
>like acetic acid should be the mainstay in salad dressings!
> I maintain interest in this because of my own very wierd
>cravings for vinegar (and heavy cream, by the pint!), which I do not
>think occur in a vacuum. If I may speculate a little on acetic acid.
> Acetic acid is the unactivated precursor to acetyl-CoA, which
>is fed right into mitochondrial TCA cycle. Other posters have assured
>me that acetic acid is in fact activated, like any other fatty acid, for
>final entry into this TCA cycle. However, it may have an advantage of
>not needing the transport machinery to get into the mitochondria (as do
>regular activated FAs), or, it may be transportable elsewhere. It is
>unusual, at the very least.
> Next, acetic acid is definitely not absorbed in the same way as
>free fatty acids or triglycerides, as it is NOT a lipid, yet it is
>metabolized as a short chain fatty acid. But in the meantime, it is
>floating around in the blood as acetic acid. What is interesting about
>this is that the pK of acetic acid renders it essentially intact
>(un-ionized, ie, a weak acid), which gives it a certain mobility across
> cell membranes, and also means it probably contributes negligibly to pH
>loading, or acidifying, of the blood. (This is no doubt going to cause
>furor here!) Which means it could have some small-molecule regulatory
>effects. It's also handy to have around if esters need to be made.
>Nothing to write home about perhaps, but interesting nonetheless.
>Regarding the acidifying of blood issue, it could be that some people
>need whatever amount of pH loading it does provide, or for some reason
>need it as part of the blood buffering system."
>
>The hand is quicker than the eye.
>
>Frank


Thanks for the great post, Frank...

Will, T2

johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
: Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster ride.



: I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad (tomato,
: lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper and
: ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
: or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
: diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2 hours
: after dinner) - 100 - 120.

Just a small question here. What is fake yogurt? Isn't it made from
milk?

Wendy

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 12:14:31 -0400, Jefferson
<fwroy@adelphia.netxeopheno> wrote:

>Second, Acetic acid is produced when ethanol (as in wine, beer, etc.) is
>metabolized. Alan will like this note.

I double dip. I often use olive oil and vinegar as my salad
dressing base - and then wash the salad down with a sip of
red:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
<wbaker@panix.com> wrote:

>johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>: Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster ride.
>
>
>
>: I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad (tomato,
>: lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper and
>: ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
>: or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a few
>: diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2 hours
>: after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
>Just a small question here. What is fake yogurt? Isn't it made from
>milk?
>
>Wendy

Yeah - I was wondering too:-)

One of my personal "healthy food rules" is that "fake" or
imitation food is out.

I prefer foods that owe their production more to the farmer
than the chemical company.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
> <wbaker@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>>: Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
>>ride.
>>
>>
>>
>>: I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
>>(tomato,
>>: lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
>>and
>>: ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
>>: or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a
>>few
>>: diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
>>hours
>>: after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>>
>>Just a small question here. What is fake yogurt? Isn't it made from
>>milk?
>>
>>Wendy
>
> Yeah - I was wondering too:-)
>
> One of my personal "healthy food rules" is that "fake" or
> imitation food is out.
>
> I prefer foods that owe their production more to the farmer
> than the chemical company.
>
> Cheers, Alan
>
If it tastes good, I eat it.

John

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:f955gp$s9j$3@reader2.panix.com...
> johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> : Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
> ride.
>
>
>
> : I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> (tomato,
> : lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
> and
> : ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
> : or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a
> few
> : diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
> hours
> : after dinner) - 100 - 120.
>
> Just a small question here. What is fake yogurt? Isn't it made from
> milk?
>
> Wendy
>
Dannon's Light & Fit Carb and Sugar Control Yogurt. Like my non-alcoholic
beer is fake beer, My Breyers CarbSmart Ice Cream is fake ice cream....
hehe.

John

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:01:02 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

>If it tastes good, I eat it.
>
>John
>
You're a joker John, so I'm hoping that's as true as your
Monday night neighbour-annoying grills and music.

If not, the joke's not on us.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Aug 6, 1:13 am, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:25:16 -0700, Sharah
>
> <Web_Sha...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> >Sounds good. Have you tested it with french fries? When I was a
> >student late night snacks of french fries and mustard mayo were my
> >brain restorative:-)
>
> >Sharah
> >T2
>
> I'm afraid I reserve my ration of chips(fries) for those
> times when I steal a few of my wife's plate. If I dip them
> in anything (rare) it would be ketchup.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforesthttp://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Well I guess you could risk one chip on a mustard mayonnaise test.
How about chips with vinegar?

Sharah
T2 D&E

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:01:02 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>If it tastes good, I eat it.
>>
>>John
>>
> You're a joker John, so I'm hoping that's as true as your
> Monday night neighbour-annoying grills and music.
>
> If not, the joke's not on us.
>
>
> Cheers, Alan,
>
The average person would look in my fridge and say, "Hmmm, another natural
food health nut." But I enjoy the low carb processed treat foods, also.
Those I call "fake foods." ... fake beer, fake ice cream, fake yogurt, fake
jelly, fake chocolate syrup and so on....lol

John

John

"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
>>
> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
> ...blah, blah.blah.... you read the rest, already.
Well, it did it again last night. Bg after about an hour and a half - 81.
The only thing I'm doing different is the vinegar... balsamic, at that.
Reading all the reports about vinegar is fine but what I'd like to see is
somebody else here who runs 140-120, or there abouts, at 1 and 2 hours try
it just to see what happens with real people.... a good hefty dose on a
salad at dinner. (a "real people" is somebody right here right now).

I can't see something as common as vinegar having such a dramatic effect...
and if it did, why isn't somebody screaming it from the rooftops?

John

"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UIyti.3117$dD3.2854@trnddc07...
>
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
>>>
>> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
>> ...blah, blah.blah.... you read the rest, already.
> Well, it did it again last night. Bg after about an hour and a half - 81.
> The only thing I'm doing different is the vinegar... balsamic, at that.
> Reading all the reports about vinegar is fine but what I'd like to see is
> somebody else here who runs 140-120, or there abouts, at 1 and 2 hours try
> it just to see what happens with real people.... a good hefty dose on a
> salad at dinner. (a "real people" is somebody right here right now).
>
> I can't see something as common as vinegar having such a dramatic
> effect... and if it did, why isn't somebody screaming it from the
> rooftops?

It has been mentioned many times before. But some of us don't like the
taste of vinegar.

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:42:18 -0700, Sharah
<Web_Sharah@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

>Well I guess you could risk one chip on a mustard mayonnaise test.
>How about chips with vinegar?
>
>Sharah
>T2 D&E

As that's the way she likes them and I steal them off her
plate - I don't get a choice there:-)

At least it appears vinegar may help the BG's - but not
enough I'm afraid.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

I will give it a test i will eat somthing that semi spikes me and see if a
couple tbsp vinager lowers it and i will try it when at my norm basline to
see if theres a change..
Dunno when im gonna try this tho but ill post the results.

KROM

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UIyti.3117$dD3.2854@trnddc07...
>>
>> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Lxcti.15402$ug3.14646@trnddc06...
>>>>
>>> I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
>>> ...blah, blah.blah.... you read the rest, already.
>> Well, it did it again last night. Bg after about an hour and a half - 81.
>> The only thing I'm doing different is the vinegar... balsamic, at that.
>> Reading all the reports about vinegar is fine but what I'd like to see is
>> somebody else here who runs 140-120, or there abouts, at 1 and 2 hours
>> try it just to see what happens with real people.... a good hefty dose on
>> a salad at dinner. (a "real people" is somebody right here right now).
>>
>> I can't see something as common as vinegar having such a dramatic
>> effect... and if it did, why isn't somebody screaming it from the
>> rooftops?
>
> It has been mentioned many times before. But some of us don't like the
> taste of vinegar.
>

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:55:00 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
<johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

>I can't see something as common as vinegar having such a dramatic effect...
>and if it did, why isn't somebody screaming it from the rooftops?

John, I have a salad as part of dinner most nights, with a vinaigrette
dressing. Sometimes I use Balsamic, most often I use wine or cider
vinegar. It does drop my bg, maybe by 10-20 points in your numbers.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

: "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:698db3ho2mhsusno4k31linntn2sfaef9v@4ax.com...
: > On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:01:02 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
: > <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >>If it tastes good, I eat it.
: >>
: >>John
: >>
: > You're a joker John, so I'm hoping that's as true as your
: > Monday night neighbour-annoying grills and music.
: >
: > If not, the joke's not on us.
: >
: >
: > Cheers, Alan,
: >
: The average person would look in my fridge and say, "Hmmm, another natural
: food health nut." But I enjoy the low carb processed treat foods, also.
: Those I call "fake foods." ... fake beer, fake ice cream, fake yogurt, fake
: jelly, fake chocolate syrup and so on....lol

: John

: John


John,

I repeat, What is fake yogurt made of? I hve only seen eithe rdairy milk
or sy milk yogurt. What makes your yogurt fake?

Wendy

johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

: "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
: news:f955gp$s9j$3@reader2.panix.com...
: > johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
: > : Just when I thought I could anticipate bg's - a little roller coaster
: > ride.
: >
: >
: >
: > : I have, basically, the same dinner every night - meat, large salad
: > (tomato,
: > : lettuce, onion, olives, grapes, crumbled blue cheese, yellow bell pepper
: > and
: > : ranch dressing), ice cream with cherry pie filling topping for dessert -
: > : or - strawberries dipped in fake yogurt for dessert. I drink either a
: > few
: > : diet Dr. Peppers or 2 non-alcoholic beers. My normal bg at bedtime (2
: > hours
: > : after dinner) - 100 - 120.
: >
: > Just a small question here. What is fake yogurt? Isn't it made from
: > milk?
: >
: > Wendy
: >
: Dannon's Light & Fit Carb and Sugar Control Yogurt. Like my non-alcoholic
: beer is fake beer, My Breyers CarbSmart Ice Cream is fake ice cream....
: hehe.

: John


So you mean, yogurt with artificial sweeteners, etc. Well that is real
yogurt just the additives iare fake. Now i understand. Yogurt is really
just the milk and bacteria parat, the rest is just window dressing, as you
can get plain yogurt and add to it whatever you like, real or artificial.
sorry to nit-pick, but this kind of "home " definition, like "fake yogurt"
really send me a different message like something made form milk, or othe
rsubstance, with lemon juice to sourness adn something else, like
cornstarch for thickener to imitte the flavor and texture or yogurt.
sound totally yuukky to me.

Wendy

"W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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> johnniemccoy@ <johnniemccoy@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> : "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:698db3ho2mhsusno4k31linntn2sfaef9v@4ax.com...
> : > On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:01:02 GMT, "johnniemccoy@"
> : > <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> : >
> : >>If it tastes good, I eat it.
> : >>
> : >>John
> : >>
> : > You're a joker John, so I'm hoping that's as true as your
> : > Monday night neighbour-annoying grills and music.
> : >
> : > If not, the joke's not on us.
> : >
> : >
> : > Cheers, Alan,
> : >
> : The average person would look in my fridge and say, "Hmmm, another
> natural
> : food health nut." But I enjoy the low carb processed treat foods, also.
> : Those I call "fake foods." ... fake beer, fake ice cream, fake yogurt,
> fake
> : jelly, fake chocolate syrup and so on....lol
>
> : John
>
> : John
>
>
> John,
>
> I repeat, What is fake yogurt made of? I hve only seen eithe rdairy milk
> or sy milk yogurt. What makes your yogurt fake?
>
> Wendy
>
I dunno.. ask Dannon.

John