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Hi Everyone,

I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
now.
But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
more
carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
still bad.

Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
counts?
I am still not on medication.

Thanks
Trish

tris...@msn.com wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> now.
> But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> more
> carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> still bad.
>
> Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> counts?
> I am still not on medication.

Would suggest you inform your doctor about your symptoms.

Clearly your symptoms have not been because of hyperglycemia.


> Thanks
> Trish

You are welcome, Trish.

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<trish_5@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1186007099.382929.147140@i38g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> now.
> But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> more
> carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> still bad.
>
> Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> counts?
> I am still not on medication.

The cramping and numbness could be signs of neuropathy. See a neurologist
to find out if you have that. You may well have it. I did upon diagnosis.
The eye sight should stabilize once your numbers have become stable and
stayed stable for a few months. In the meantime it can be annoying.

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_5@msn.com wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> now.
> But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> more
> carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> still bad.

Trish, you should find a carb level that makes you feel okay without
swings up and down. You're trying to get off that roller coaster. Have
you been having two small snacks with protein and a little carb between
meals? If so, you shouldn't be hitting 70.

>
> Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> counts?
> I am still not on medication.

The cramping is probably due to potassium lost when you excreted water
bloat by low carbing. Try using potassium chloride salt substitute, 1/4
tsp or so with water at first, then a sprinkle or two twice per day on
your food. You should feel better within 15-30 minutes of trying it.
If you still have cramps, take a little more with water.

Your toes and eyesight might take a while to adjust, especially if you
were running high before. It's a very good idea to make an eye appt.
with an ophthalmologist, too.

Susan

On Aug 1, 5:38 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <tris...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186007099.382929.147140@i38g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> > now.
> > But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> > more
> > carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> > What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> > better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> > still bad.
>
> > Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> > counts?
> > I am still not on medication.
>
> The cramping and numbness could be signs of neuropathy. See a neurologist
> to find out if you have that. You may well have it. I did upon diagnosis.
> The eye sight should stabilize once your numbers have become stable and
> stayed stable for a few months. In the meantime it can be annoying.


I tried on 100, 125 , glasses at wally world today for reading , I
can not focus with
them or without them. I need driving , computer distance and now
reading , but 100
is still to strong. Yes Julie very annoying. I dont want this
neuropathy cramp,
I still have not learned to deal with type 11. Is this something you
can stop?
Are alot of new diabetics diagnosed with this? Geez louise.
And the tired thing. Is this when you are high or low? or both?. I
was actually
at work typing, and I kept nodding off.

On Aug 1, 5:45 pm, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> _...@msn.com wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
>
> > I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> > now.
> > But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> > more
> > carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> > What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> > better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> > still bad.
>
> Trish, you should find a carb level that makes you feel okay without
> swings up and down. You're trying to get off that roller coaster. Have
> you been having two small snacks with protein and a little carb between
> meals? If so, you shouldn't be hitting 70.
>
>
>
> > Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> > counts?
> > I am still not on medication.
>
> The cramping is probably due to potassium lost when you excreted water
> bloat by low carbing. Try using potassium chloride salt substitute, 1/4
> tsp or so with water at first, then a sprinkle or two twice per day on
> your food. You should feel better within 15-30 minutes of trying it.
> If you still have cramps, take a little more with water.
>
> Your toes and eyesight might take a while to adjust, especially if you
> were running high before. It's a very good idea to make an eye appt.
> with an ophthalmologist, too.
>
> Susan

Yes I try to eat every 3 hrs. When this happened I had just had
yogurt and a cheese stick 2 hrs before. I was at work and forgot to
bring my
monitor, felt really sick, I left work right away and when I got home
I was at 70.
But I have cut my carbs way down and protien way up. I have been
eating
alot of vegtables, and have stayed away from fruit,because it made me
so
hungry and sugars run high. So I have been drinking 1% milk for more
carbs.
I have been testing testing testing, but I cant seem to get it right.

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trish_5@msn.com wrote:

> Yes I try to eat every 3 hrs. When this happened I had just had
> yogurt and a cheese stick 2 hrs before. I was at work and forgot to
> bring my
> monitor, felt really sick, I left work right away and when I got home
> I was at 70.

That's low, especially after going high and low so recently.

> But I have cut my carbs way down and protien way up. I have been
> eating
> alot of vegtables, and have stayed away from fruit,because it made me
> so
> hungry and sugars run high. So I have been drinking 1% milk for more
> carbs.
> I have been testing testing testing, but I cant seem to get it right.
>

1% milk is very high/fast carbs, it'll spike you. You'd be better off
with some berries, or a piece of apple with fiber to slow it down a bit.

Also, I think I mentioned to you at first that it might be smoother to
reduce your carbs less drastically for a while, to avoid crashing and
complications. At this point, you're in a good range, and your body may
take a few months to adjust.

I don't believe the cramps are from neuropathy, I think they're probably
from potassium loss. The tingling may be a result of lower glucose
getting to your nerves due to the sudden drop of glucose without a
commensurate increase in insulin sensitivity. That should improve as
your insulin receptors get more responsive due to lower levels.

Susan

On Aug 1, 6:09 pm, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> tris...@msn.com wrote:
> > Yes I try to eat every 3 hrs. When this happened I had just had
> > yogurt and a cheese stick 2 hrs before. I was at work and forgot to
> > bring my
> > monitor, felt really sick, I left work right away and when I got home
> > I was at 70.
>
> That's low, especially after going high and low so recently.
>
> > But I have cut my carbs way down and protien way up. I have been
> > eating
> > alot of vegtables, and have stayed away from fruit,because it made me
> > so
> > hungry and sugars run high. So I have been drinking 1% milk for more
> > carbs.
> > I have been testing testing testing, but I cant seem to get it right.
>
> 1% milk is very high/fast carbs, it'll spike you. You'd be better off
> with some berries, or a piece of apple with fiber to slow it down a bit.
>
> Also, I think I mentioned to you at first that it might be smoother to
> reduce your carbs less drastically for a while, to avoid crashing and
> complications. At this point, you're in a good range, and your body may
> take a few months to adjust.
>
> I don't believe the cramps are from neuropathy, I think they're probably
> from potassium loss. The tingling may be a result of lower glucose
> getting to your nerves due to the sudden drop of glucose without a
> commensurate increase in insulin sensitivity. That should improve as
> your insulin receptors get more responsive due to lower levels.
>
> Susan

Ok Susan what are you thinking 1 carb choice for every meal and snack?
Approx 90 carbs a day?
Better than what the dieticain had me at (almost 200) and gaining
weight. Now im losing weight
again, but I will try more carbs. And have my eyes examined. I turn
my lights off in the office
now , I simply can not stand light anymore. I want to be 20 again ,
life was so easy back in
the old days . I dont like being 50!

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trish_5@msn.com wrote:

> Ok Susan what are you thinking 1 carb choice for every meal and snack?
> Approx 90 carbs a day?
> Better than what the dieticain had me at (almost 200) and gaining
> weight. Now im losing weight
> again, but I will try more carbs.

I don't think you need more carbs if you're eating 90 per day. You
might want to get them from something other than 1% milk, though. It's a
straight shot of sugar.

> And have my eyes examined. I turn
> my lights off in the office
> now , I simply can not stand light anymore. I want to be 20 again ,
> life was so easy back in
> the old days . I dont like being 50!
>

I don't like being 50 (ish) either, it blows!! But 20 sucked for other
reasons. :-)

Susan

trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>
>
> I tried on 100, 125 , glasses at wally world today for reading , I
> can not focus with
> them or without them. I need driving , computer distance and now
> reading , but 100
> is still to strong. Yes Julie very annoying. I dont want this
> neuropathy cramp,
> I still have not learned to deal with type 11. Is this something you
> can stop?
> Are alot of new diabetics diagnosed with this? Geez louise.
> And the tired thing. Is this when you are high or low? or both?. I
> was actually
> at work typing, and I kept nodding off.
>
>
>
>
My vision took a while to get back to normal after I became in control.
In general it is recommended not to have an eye exam for glasses until
the BG has been in a good range for at least 2wks to a month. I had my
dilated eye exam in March, shortly after diagnosis (along with visual
field testing for grave's disease) but just had my refraction exam on
Friday. Funny thing, my script didn't change at all! Earlier, I wasn't
sure at all what it would be, since my vision was doing such funny
things with the blood sugar spikes.
As for being tired, high blood sugar can make you VERY tired. The fuel
for the cells is trapped in the blood, and the cells aren't getting what
they need to function, so you are tired. Low blood sugar also makes one
tired--but this time,there just isn't any fuel to get to the cells. One
is like having a full gas tank, but a plugged up gas line, so the engine
can't get any of the fuel in the gas tank. The other is like having an
empty gas tank.
As for the neuropathy like symptoms, generally, once one's blood sugar
gets in control, the neuropathy won't progress further. As for getting
rid of what is already there, it can be done I believe, and getting BG
in a good range much of the time is definitely the first step. I'll let
others talk about that though as I don't have neuropathy, and hope to
never have it.
It is a tough illness to get the hang of. I highly recommend going to
diabetes education classes taught by a CDE. You can learn a lot from
those. I had my classes right after I was diagnosed, and I learned quite
a bit. I wish though I'd known what sort of meds I was going to be on at
the the time, so I could have asked more specific questions. (I was not
yet on anything as the doc wanted to find out if I was T1 or T2 before
starting me on meds. I had been put on an oral med, a sulfonylurea, but
I had an allergic reaction to it (I'm now allergic to all sulfa drugs)
and had to stop it right away. So the NP was waiting on test results
before deciding on more oral meds or insulin. I was running high a LOT
despite low carbing, and was often in the 200 range. It started getting
higher and higher (to where I was more often than not in the
300-400range and I even went in to the 500's a couple of times). Finally
the CDE had me e-mail in my BG numbers, and the endo that sees me for my
thyroid looked at them. He didn't like them at all (especially the way
they were trending up) and put me on insulin. He still won't say what
type I am (the blood tests don't really show type one, I still make
insulin, but about in the middle range of what a normal person would
make, I get tight control (80-110 most of the time) with very little
amounts of injected insulin, and don't fit the profile of metabolic
syndrome or a typical type two. So, I get insulin because it works, and
until things change we are leaving it at that. The day I went on
insulin, my blood test results came in and the NP declared me type two
and was going to start me on oral meds. My thyroid doc (who now sees me
half the time for the diabetes/thyroid and I see the NP in between
times), decided that he wasn't so sure the oral meds would work and that
he wasn't so sure I was type two despite the lack of antibodies... He
also wanted to get my BG down quickly, because at the time I was
glucotoxic, and he was sure I'd be in a coma by the end of the weekend
if I didn't start on SOMETHING. So, anyways I would have liked to have
asked more questions about insulin at my education classes, but I didn't
know at the time I'd be on it.
But, the classes were still very informative and helpful. There were
other diabetics in the class (two with type two, one with double
diabetes) and it was helpful to hear their questions and answers as
well. I also found places like this, www.diabets.org and Josiln's
diabetes website helpful as well. There is a local hospital that has
free diabetes seminars once a month with some educational topics. I need
to find out when those are, as I would like to attend some of them. I
know they have one with a podiatrist coming up on foot care, and one on
carbs coming up. They also have one right before the holidays about how
to deal with holiday eating and diabetes.
All of those things can help one to get a handle on the illness. I was
very freaked out in the beginning. (especially before I saw an endo for
it. I was pretty much told by the doc at the extended hours clinic I
went to for my UTI that I was a diabetic (after an FBG of 166), and when
I asked more about it he said that they'd probably put me on oral meds
at the endo's and teach me about diet and exercise, but he wouldn't
answer any of my other questions instead just told me the endo would
explain it all. Well, it was going to be at least three or more months
before I could get in to see my endo (the one who follows my thyroid) so
I took an appointment with the person a the endo clinic who could see me
earliest. That was three weeks away. I was freaked out for three weeks
that my BG was doing funny things, and I didn't have a meter and
couldn't afford one or test strips, and there were times when I was sure
I was going into DKA or something. Finally, when I saw the NP at the
endo clinic, she said that the doc who told me I was diabetic wanted me
to have an oral glucose tolerance test, and he wasn't for sure I was
diabetic!! I did get a free meter from the endo (I could get one each
time I go if I wanted to...), and a prescription for test strips (so
with insurance coverage I pay about $40 a month for them, rather than
$250), and an appointment for an OGTT. (at this point I'd been to my
regular doc a few times and had several FBG's done--enough to make the
diagnosis since they were 166, 126, and 187. The one done at the endo's
was 109... so she wasn't convinced and ordered the OGTT. After which
was definitely an official diabetic (190 BG pre-glucose, and 317 post
glucose). I didn't get below 200 for three days! Of course that was when
I was started on glyburide (at my visit, based on my meter readings,
after drinking the glucose but before getting the results, it took a
week to get the results!), but I had the allergic reaction, and had to
stop.
I would have been even more lost if it weren't for the information I
found on the web (here, the ADA and Joslin's) and it was great to get
into the education classes as well. (mine started the Monday after my
OGTT, and went for four days. I was running high much of the time at
those classes, and the CDEs who taught it (the dietitian CDE taught the
first two classes, the nurse CDE taught the second two) were a bit
concerned. It also let me get to know the CDEs so I felt comfortable
calling them when my blood sugars kept rising and rising. I was told to
call and talk to them any time I had a BG reading of 200 or more, but
since I wasn't on any meds, there wasn't anything they could do for me,
so I didn't call them on that, I did however call when things were
clearly going out of control...
Are you going to see an endo, or just a CDE and have your regular doc
manage medications? Are you going to try and manage through diet and
exercise alone? If your numbers are now consistently below 100, then it
sounds like you can go that route, at least for a while. And with
numbers like those, it seems you are doing a good job of things. Good
luck, Good effort, and keep posting here and elsewhere to get the
answers you need.

Emily

On Aug 1, 6:54 pm, Emily <emsy_s...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> tris...@msn.com wrote:
>
> > I tried on 100, 125 , glasses at wally world today for reading , I
> > can not focus with
> > them or without them. I need driving , computer distance and now
> > reading , but 100
> > is still to strong. Yes Julie very annoying. I dont want this
> > neuropathy cramp,
> > I still have not learned to deal with type 11. Is this something you
> > can stop?
> > Are alot of new diabetics diagnosed with this? Geez louise.
> > And the tired thing. Is this when you are high or low? or both?. I
> > was actually
> > at work typing, and I kept nodding off.
>
> My vision took a while to get back to normal after I became in control.
> In general it is recommended not to have an eye exam for glasses until
> the BG has been in a good range for at least 2wks to a month. I had my
> dilated eye exam in March, shortly after diagnosis (along with visual
> field testing for grave's disease) but just had my refraction exam on
> Friday. Funny thing, my script didn't change at all! Earlier, I wasn't
> sure at all what it would be, since my vision was doing such funny
> things with the blood sugar spikes.
> As for being tired, high blood sugar can make you VERY tired. The fuel
> for the cells is trapped in the blood, and the cells aren't getting what
> they need to function, so you are tired. Low blood sugar also makes one
> tired--but this time,there just isn't any fuel to get to the cells. One
> is like having a full gas tank, but a plugged up gas line, so the engine
> can't get any of the fuel in the gas tank. The other is like having an
> empty gas tank.
> As for the neuropathy like symptoms, generally, once one's blood sugar
> gets in control, the neuropathy won't progress further. As for getting
> rid of what is already there, it can be done I believe, and getting BG
> in a good range much of the time is definitely the first step. I'll let
> others talk about that though as I don't have neuropathy, and hope to
> never have it.
> It is a tough illness to get the hang of. I highly recommend going to
> diabetes education classes taught by a CDE. You can learn a lot from
> those. I had my classes right after I was diagnosed, and I learned quite
> a bit. I wish though I'd known what sort of meds I was going to be on at
> the the time, so I could have asked more specific questions. (I was not
> yet on anything as the doc wanted to find out if I was T1 or T2 before
> starting me on meds. I had been put on an oral med, a sulfonylurea, but
> I had an allergic reaction to it (I'm now allergic to all sulfa drugs)
> and had to stop it right away. So the NP was waiting on test results
> before deciding on more oral meds or insulin. I was running high a LOT
> despite low carbing, and was often in the 200 range. It started getting
> higher and higher (to where I was more often than not in the
> 300-400range and I even went in to the 500's a couple of times). Finally
> the CDE had me e-mail in my BG numbers, and the endo that sees me for my
> thyroid looked at them. He didn't like them at all (especially the way
> they were trending up) and put me on insulin. He still won't say what
> type I am (the blood tests don't really show type one, I still make
> insulin, but about in the middle range of what a normal person would
> make, I get tight control (80-110 most of the time) with very little
> amounts of injected insulin, and don't fit the profile of metabolic
> syndrome or a typical type two. So, I get insulin because it works, and
> until things change we are leaving it at that. The day I went on
> insulin, my blood test results came in and the NP declared me type two
> and was going to start me on oral meds. My thyroid doc (who now sees me
> half the time for the diabetes/thyroid and I see the NP in between
> times), decided that he wasn't so sure the oral meds would work and that
> he wasn't so sure I was type two despite the lack of antibodies... He
> also wanted to get my BG down quickly, because at the time I was
> glucotoxic, and he was sure I'd be in a coma by the end of the weekend
> if I didn't start on SOMETHING. So, anyways I would have liked to have
> asked more questions about insulin at my education classes, but I didn't
> know at the time I'd be on it.
> But, the classes were still very informative and helpful. There were
> other diabetics in the class (two with type two, one with double
> diabetes) and it was helpful to hear their questions and answers as
> well. I also found places like this,www.diabets.organd Josiln's
> diabetes website helpful as well. There is a local hospital that has
> free diabetes seminars once a month with some educational topics. I need
> to find out when those are, as I would like to attend some of them. I
> know they have one with a podiatrist coming up on foot care, and one on
> carbs coming up. They also have one right before the holidays about how
> to deal with holiday eating and diabetes.
> All of those things can help one to get a handle on the illness. I was
> very freaked out in the beginning. (especially before I saw an endo for
> it. I was pretty much told by the doc at the extended hours clinic I
> went to for my UTI that I was a diabetic (after an FBG of 166), and when
> I asked more about it he said that they'd probably put me on oral meds
> at the endo's and teach me about diet and exercise, but he wouldn't
> answer any of my other questions instead just told me the endo would
> explain it all. Well, it was going to be at least three or more months
> before I could get in to see my endo (the one who follows my thyroid) so
> I took an appointment with the person a the endo clinic who could see me
> earliest. That was three weeks away. I was freaked out for three weeks
> that my BG was doing funny things, and I didn't have a meter and
> couldn't afford one or test strips, and there were times when I was sure
> I was going into DKA or something. Finally, when I saw the NP at the
> endo clinic, she said that the doc who told me I was diabetic wanted me
> to have an oral glucose tolerance test, and he wasn't for sure I was
> diabetic!! I did get a free meter from the endo (I could get one each
> time I go if I wanted to...), and a prescription for test strips (so
> with insurance coverage I pay about $40 a month for them, rather than
> $250), and an appointment for an OGTT. (at this point I'd been to my
> regular doc a few times and had several FBG's done--enough to make the
> diagnosis since they were 166, 126, and 187. The one done at the endo's
> was 109... so she wasn't convinced and ordered the OGTT. After which
> was definitely an official diabetic (190 BG pre-glucose, and 317 post
> glucose). I didn't get below 200 for three days! Of course that was when
> I was started on glyburide (at my visit, based on my meter readings,
> after drinking the glucose but before getting the results, it took a
> week to get the results!), but I had the allergic reaction, and had to
> stop.
> I would have been even more lost if it weren't for the information I
> found on the web (here, the ADA and Joslin's) and it was great to get
> into the education classes as well. (mine started the Monday after my
> OGTT, and went for four days. I was running high much of the time at
> those classes, and the CDEs who taught it (the dietitian CDE taught the
> first two classes, the nurse CDE taught the second two) were a bit
> concerned. It also let me get to know the CDEs so I felt comfortable
> calling them when my blood sugars kept rising and rising. I was told to
> call and talk to them any time I had a BG reading of 200 or more, but
> since I wasn't on any meds, there wasn't anything they could do for me,
> so I didn't call them on that, I did however call when things were
> clearly going out of control...
> Are you going to see an endo, or just a CDE and have your regular doc
> manage medications? Are you going to try and manage through diet and
> exercise alone? If your numbers are now consistently below 100, then it
> sounds like you can go that route, at least for a while. And with
> numbers like those, it seems you are doing a good job of things. Good
> luck, Good effort, and keep posting here and elsewhere to get the
> answers you need.
>
> Emily- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good Lord Girl, I hope you can type 200 words a minute. If i posted
that , lets say I started at 7 pm tonight
I would still be typing at 7am!! Appreciate all the input. It has
been just shy of a month that I was diagnosed.
I am not on meds yet, and hoping I can get control of this on my
own. I have only seen my blood sugars
over 200 once. I am sure I was there alot before I was diagnosed by
the symptoms I was having.
All these years I thought I was hypo. Eat a little sugar and I was
good to go for ever. Thats what I get for
thinking. I have seen a diabetic educator, is that what you are
talking about? I was not impressed.
And the dietican wanted me to eat 180 carbs a day. I was gaining
weight, shaking, and feeling like
my legs were going to go out from under me. I still am feeling that
daily but not as much since I cut back
on the carbs.
I can tell when my sugars go way down with out testing by how I
feel. I am learning. Just all so new
to me, and I want to get it right now, so im struggling, but getting
alot of good advice in here.
Have a good evening.
Trish

<trish_5@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 1, 5:45 pm, Susan <neverm...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> _...@msn.com wrote:
>> > Hi Everyone,
>>
>> > I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
>> > now.
>> > But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
>> > more
>> > carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
>> > What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
>> > better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
>> > still bad.
>>
>> Trish, you should find a carb level that makes you feel okay without
>> swings up and down. You're trying to get off that roller coaster. Have
>> you been having two small snacks with protein and a little carb between
>> meals? If so, you shouldn't be hitting 70.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
>> > counts?
>> > I am still not on medication.
>>
>> The cramping is probably due to potassium lost when you excreted water
>> bloat by low carbing. Try using potassium chloride salt substitute, 1/4
>> tsp or so with water at first, then a sprinkle or two twice per day on
>> your food. You should feel better within 15-30 minutes of trying it.
>> If you still have cramps, take a little more with water.
>>
>> Your toes and eyesight might take a while to adjust, especially if you
>> were running high before. It's a very good idea to make an eye appt.
>> with an ophthalmologist, too.
>>
>> Susan
>
> Yes I try to eat every 3 hrs. When this happened I had just had
> yogurt and a cheese stick 2 hrs before. I was at work and forgot to
> bring my
> monitor, felt really sick, I left work right away and when I got home
> I was at 70.
> But I have cut my carbs way down and protien way up. I have been
> eating
> alot of vegtables, and have stayed away from fruit,because it made me
> so
> hungry and sugars run high. So I have been drinking 1% milk for more
> carbs.
> I have been testing testing testing, but I cant seem to get it right.

Maybe you need to add more fat to your diet? Fat delays the absorption of
carbs. Try adding some nuts or olives.

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> I tried on 100, 125 , glasses at wally world today for reading , I
> can not focus with
> them or without them. I need driving , computer distance and now
> reading , but 100
> is still to strong. Yes Julie very annoying. I dont want this
> neuropathy cramp,
> I still have not learned to deal with type 11. Is this something you
> can stop?
> Are alot of new diabetics diagnosed with this? Geez louise.
> And the tired thing. Is this when you are high or low? or both?. I
> was actually
> at work typing, and I kept nodding off.

Neuropathy is what led to my diagnosis. I don't usually have trouble by it
now. Not the pain anyway. I don't have full feeling in my feet and legs
and for that reason, walking is difficult. But I also have super sensations
in my feet and stepping on something accidentally can cause extreme pain.

I am tired all the time any more. But I have more medical problems than
just diabetes.

<trish_5@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 1, 6:54 pm, Emily <emsy_s...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

> Good Lord Girl, I hope you can type 200 words a minute. If i posted
> that , lets say I started at 7 pm tonight
> I would still be typing at 7am!! Appreciate all the input. It has
> been just shy of a month that I was diagnosed.
> I am not on meds yet, and hoping I can get control of this on my
> own. I have only seen my blood sugars
> over 200 once. I am sure I was there alot before I was diagnosed by
> the symptoms I was having.
> All these years I thought I was hypo. Eat a little sugar and I was
> good to go for ever. Thats what I get for
> thinking. I have seen a diabetic educator, is that what you are
> talking about? I was not impressed.
> And the dietican wanted me to eat 180 carbs a day. I was gaining
> weight, shaking, and feeling like
> my legs were going to go out from under me. I still am feeling that
> daily but not as much since I cut back
> on the carbs.
> I can tell when my sugars go way down with out testing by how I
> feel. I am learning. Just all so new
> to me, and I want to get it right now, so im struggling, but getting
> alot of good advice in here.
> Have a good evening.

I wonder if there isn't something else going on that has yet to be
diagnosed. The shaking just doesn't sound right.

trish_5@msn.com wrote:

>
> Good Lord Girl, I hope you can type 200 words a minute. If i posted
> that , lets say I started at 7 pm tonight
> I would still be typing at 7am!! Appreciate all the input. It has
> been just shy of a month that I was diagnosed.
> I am not on meds yet, and hoping I can get control of this on my
> own. I have only seen my blood sugars
> over 200 once. I am sure I was there alot before I was diagnosed by
> the symptoms I was having.
> All these years I thought I was hypo. Eat a little sugar and I was
> good to go for ever. Thats what I get for
> thinking. I have seen a diabetic educator, is that what you are
> talking about? I was not impressed.
> And the dietican wanted me to eat 180 carbs a day. I was gaining
> weight, shaking, and feeling like
> my legs were going to go out from under me. I still am feeling that
> daily but not as much since I cut back
> on the carbs.
> I can tell when my sugars go way down with out testing by how I
> feel. I am learning. Just all so new
> to me, and I want to get it right now, so im struggling, but getting
> alot of good advice in here.
> Have a good evening.
> Trish
>

Sorry about the long winded post. I don't type 200 wpm, but I do type
100wpm.
yes, a CDE is a diabetes educator. I suppose not all are created equal.
The ones that follow strict ADA guidelines are probably not going to be
helpful. At my endo's clinic, our BG goals are the much stricter AACE
goals rather than the ADA goals. (and tailored to an individual as
well). So, the CDE's there are pretty decent. The one I spoke with
(briefly) while on the p-ward not too long ago seemed decent as well. I
commented to her about the diabetic diet I was getting while there (an
1800calorie a day ADA diet), and how I was getting sent tons of carb
choices I wasn't ordering because I wasn't ordering enough things. (I
must have been ordering way under 1800 calories, because I was getting
the extra carb choices along with everything I ordered, and usually I
was hungry enough to eat them, but I covered with insulin and was fine).
She said it was particularly hard on patients who were trying to
control T2 mainly through diet. And, the new computerized diet system
allowed for no flexibility. If you were diabetic, you got a diabetic
diet, the nurse could input the calories, but that was it. Also, if you
tried to order more protein and less carbs (like one T2 patient did)
they'd nix the extra protein and add in carbs! I was taking more
insulin there than I did ever. Always at least 2units a meal, and
sometimes 3!! (the daily carbs were broken down into three meals, no
snacks... though I was allowed to help myself to the snacks available to
us on the p-ward, many not too suitable, though graham crackers and
peanut butter made a decent bed time snack for me (in moderation) if I
was a tad low before bed.) (I have a 1:30 carb ratio so one unit of
insulin is two carb servings for me!). I usually only inject one maybe
two units at meals. Well, now that I have the novopen Jr. I can inject
1.5units. that is nice. I was able to have 8oz of skim milk with each
meal, and that was nice. I like milk, and drink a fair bit of it. I know
it is a fast acting carb, but with my insulin, and as long as I drink it
with a meal, not all alone, I can handle it. I know many others can't.
So, it sounds like your dietitian and diabetes educator were not exactly
helpful. Too bad. But definitely info here, and on other diabetes
sites, is good. Just use your own judgement as to what is good info and
what is bunk (there are both kinds just about everywhere--as you
discovered from the dietitian, who is supposed to be an expert). And,
eat to your meter, just because one food is great for one person,
doesn't mean it won't spike the next one. I found pre-med that pineapple
for some odd reason was a fairly safe fruit. (berries seem to be safe
for most people, pineapple not so much).
So, it sounds to me like you are very much on the right track to gaining
control (as much as is possible, some days it flies out the window for
me even though I'm not doing anything differently than I did the day
before) of this illness. It also sounds like you are finding good places
to go for good information.

Emily

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:41:31 GMT, Emily <emsy_suzy@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Sorry about the long winded post. I don't type 200 wpm, but I do type
>100wpm.
>yes, a CDE is a diabetes educator. I suppose not all are created equal.
>The ones that follow strict ADA guidelines are probably not going to be
>helpful. At my endo's clinic, our BG goals are the much stricter AACE
>goals rather than the ADA goals. (and tailored to an individual as
>well). So, the CDE's there are pretty decent. The one I spoke with
>(briefly) while on the p-ward not too long ago seemed decent as well. I
>commented to her about the diabetic diet I was getting while there (an
>1800calorie a day ADA diet), and how I was getting sent tons of carb
>choices I wasn't ordering because I wasn't ordering enough things. (I
>must have been ordering way under 1800 calories, because I was getting
>the extra carb choices along with everything I ordered, and usually I
>was hungry enough to eat them, but I covered with insulin and was fine).
> She said it was particularly hard on patients who were trying to
>control T2 mainly through diet. And, the new computerized diet system
>allowed for no flexibility. If you were diabetic, you got a diabetic
>diet, the nurse could input the calories, but that was it. Also, if you
>tried to order more protein and less carbs (like one T2 patient did)
>they'd nix the extra protein and add in carbs! I was taking more
>insulin there than I did ever. Always at least 2units a meal, and
>sometimes 3!! (the daily carbs were broken down into three meals, no
>snacks... though I was allowed to help myself to the snacks available to
>us on the p-ward, many not too suitable, though graham crackers and
>peanut butter made a decent bed time snack for me (in moderation) if I
>was a tad low before bed.) (I have a 1:30 carb ratio so one unit of
>insulin is two carb servings for me!).


Emily, please, you are totally wonderful... but the complete lack of
formatting and huge extent of your post makes it very difficult for
many of us to put our brains around... And I read at about 1,000 wpm!

Maybe if you took a little time in the composition and formatting, we
would be able to follow you more easily. You have so very much to
offer, but it is hard to know how to respond to your postings, with
the way it is set forth....

Glad you are with us!

Will, T2

Will, T2 wrote in message ...

>Emily, please, you are totally wonderful... but the complete lack of
>formatting and huge extent of your post makes it very difficult for
>many of us to put our brains around... And I read at about 1,000 wpm!
>
>Maybe if you took a little time in the composition and formatting, we
>would be able to follow you more easily. You have so very much to
>offer, but it is hard to know how to respond to your postings, with
>the way it is set forth....
>
>Glad you are with us!
>
>Will, T2

Yes, not to be rude, but I agree with Will, and as another poster in
another group said..."It's like a huge wall of text just hits you in
the face." Very hard to follow. I'm glad you're here too Emily. Please
don't take offense. :-)

Cheri

Julie Bove wrote:
> <trish_5@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1186013620.010064.15800@z24g2000prh.googlegro ups.com...
>> On Aug 1, 6:54 pm, Emily <emsy_s...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Good Lord Girl, I hope you can type 200 words a minute. If i posted
>> that , lets say I started at 7 pm tonight
>> I would still be typing at 7am!! Appreciate all the input. It has
>> been just shy of a month that I was diagnosed.
>> I am not on meds yet, and hoping I can get control of this on my
>> own. I have only seen my blood sugars
>> over 200 once. I am sure I was there alot before I was diagnosed by
>> the symptoms I was having.
>> All these years I thought I was hypo. Eat a little sugar and I was
>> good to go for ever. Thats what I get for
>> thinking. I have seen a diabetic educator, is that what you are
>> talking about? I was not impressed.
>> And the dietican wanted me to eat 180 carbs a day. I was gaining
>> weight, shaking, and feeling like
>> my legs were going to go out from under me. I still am feeling that
>> daily but not as much since I cut back
>> on the carbs.
>> I can tell when my sugars go way down with out testing by how I
>> feel. I am learning. Just all so new
>> to me, and I want to get it right now, so im struggling, but getting
>> alot of good advice in here.
>> Have a good evening.
>
> I wonder if there isn't something else going on that has yet to be
> diagnosed. The shaking just doesn't sound right.
>
>
Hmm.. I've found I was VERY shaky all the time when my BG was out of
control (most recently because of the UTI from HE double hockey
sticks!). However, I also was VERY shaky when I was in thyrotoxicosis.
That stopped as soon as we killed off most of my thyroid...
When I first started insulin I would be shaking a lot at BG's of 160,
because they were so much lower than what I had been running. After
about a week though, I would feel high at those numbers and great at my
range of 80-110. I'd also be shaky at low numbers. (I find both too high
and too low cause me to shake, and my thyroid is good right now).

But, since thyroid problems are common amongst diabetics, it might be
worth checking out.

Emily

Will, T2 wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:41:31 GMT, Emily <emsy_suzy@nospam.yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Emily, please, you are totally wonderful... but the complete lack of
> formatting and huge extent of your post makes it very difficult for
> many of us to put our brains around... And I read at about 1,000 wpm!
>
> Maybe if you took a little time in the composition and formatting, we
> would be able to follow you more easily. You have so very much to
> offer, but it is hard to know how to respond to your postings, with
> the way it is set forth....
>
> Glad you are with us!
>
> Will, T2

Whoops, I guess I need to learn to use paragraphs again.

Emily

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:24:59 -0700, trish_5 wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I finally got my BG to go lower, I actually am running under 100 alot
> now.
> But still getting weak and shaky from this. I feel now that I need
> more
> carbs. I actually dropped down to 70 two days ago.
> What I want to know is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting
> better but, now the tips of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is
> still bad.
>
> Whats up with that? Is this a on going thing even with good BG
> counts?
> I am still not on medication.
>
> Thanks
> Trish

I found that when I was diagnosed, and later brought under control, it
took about three weeks for my vision to revert.

Strongly recommend you see the doc about the other symptoms. What had your
BG been? At diagnosis mine was 300 - A1C was 11. I brought it down rather
quickly and felt no ill effects - YMMV.

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Julie Bove wrote:

>
>
> I wonder if there isn't something else going on that has yet to be
> diagnosed. The shaking just doesn't sound right.
>
>

Shaking sounds exactly like hypoglycemia to me.

Susan

"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if there isn't something else going on that has yet to be
>> diagnosed. The shaking just doesn't sound right.
>
> Shaking sounds exactly like hypoglycemia to me.

Maybe. But I don't always shake with a hypo. Sometimes I just feel faint
or sort of hot/cold or just very hungry.

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:22:55 GMT, Emily
<emsy_suzy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

>Whoops, I guess I need to learn to use paragraphs again.
>
>Emily

Excellent post:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:56:01 -0400, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if there isn't something else going on that has yet to be
>> diagnosed. The shaking just doesn't sound right.
>>
>>
>
>Shaking sounds exactly like hypoglycemia to me.
>
>Susan

I am prone to several causes of amost blacking out.
including hypos.

The first step is to take a blood sugar to rule that out.

The second ias to get a blood pressure reading.

Third, I lie quietly and get on the oxygen.

I take corrective action if indicated, and lie quietly.

If these items do not indicate a home remedy
and the symptom do not abate. It is time to let the
911 people takes over. 911. help.

They already know my house and how to enter.

Usually the local police arrive first.

"Guy, have you been mowing again".

If it an important incident, time may be important.

A person prone to severe hypos, may need to keep Glucagon
on hand. A person must be trained to administer it. (not the
patient).The doc should be consulted on this drug and issue a
prescription.

The 911 medics will check to be sure
it is hypo and usually use a dexterose iv. But now
they wll haul you in for workup.. Too many lawsuits.

Newer blood pressure gauges are very easy to use.

Some docs or Nurses will fill a person on what to
check and when to call..
Guy

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:24:59 -0700, trish_5 wrote:
> .... What I want to know
> is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting better but, now the tips
> of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is still bad.

Cramps are a well-known side-effect of a low carb diet; I don't know why,
but I hit this problem and found this mentioned somewhere. And, the
old remedy of eating a banana or two may not be acceptable. I just want
to reinforce what the others are saying about it, and their solutions.
Personally, I've found Whole Foods 365 brand Whey Protein Powder (look
in their herbal / medicinal section) has 3500mg of potassium, where
a banana has 400mg. RDA is 2000mg for the US, and 3500mg for the EU.
And it's 2g carbs per serving. Just one more possibility.

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:59:24 GMT, Good Night Moon
<no.email.here@zombo.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:24:59 -0700, trish_5 wrote:
>> .... What I want to know
>> is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting better but, now the tips
>> of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is still bad.
>
>Cramps are a well-known side-effect of a low carb diet; I don't know why,
>but I hit this problem and found this mentioned somewhere. And, the
>old remedy of eating a banana or two may not be acceptable. I just want
>to reinforce what the others are saying about it, and their solutions.
>Personally, I've found Whole Foods 365 brand Whey Protein Powder (look
>in their herbal / medicinal section) has 3500mg of potassium, where
>a banana has 400mg. RDA is 2000mg for the US, and 3500mg for the EU.
>And it's 2g carbs per serving. Just one more possibility.

I used to get night leg cramps before diagnosis when I ate a
diet obscenely high in carbs compared to the one I eat now.
I got cramps when I was eating very low carb at one point
when I was just starting "test, test, test"; and I still get
cramps now that I'm eating low spike, but not necessarily
low carb - although at the moment I get them less as I'll
mention below.

My friends on the CLL list also get cramps in what seems to
be pretty much the same proportion as people here. And they
don't eat any particular dietary style that I am aware of.

So I don't think cramps have a lot to do with low-carb.
However, the thing we have in common is that the majority of
those I meet who get cramps have passed their 50th birthday.

Two things have helped me - but have not totally eliminated
the problem. The first is to wear socks to bed on cool
nights. That caused a dramatic reduction (it was a bit
disconcerting to hear the spouse mumbling "you can keep your
socks on" to the tune of "you can keep your hat on":-). The
second thing was to buy some potassium salt (No Salt brand)
and use it sparingly on at least one meal a day.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

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ood Night Moon wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:24:59 -0700, trish_5 wrote:
>
>>.... What I want to know
>>is my cramping in my hands and feet are getting better but, now the tips
>>of my toes feel numb, and my eye sight is still bad.
>
>
> Cramps are a well-known side-effect of a low carb diet; I don't know why,
> but I hit this problem and found this mentioned somewhere. And, the
> old remedy of eating a banana or two may not be acceptable. I just want
> to reinforce what the others are saying about it, and their solutions.
> Personally, I've found Whole Foods 365 brand Whey Protein Powder (look
> in their herbal / medicinal section) has 3500mg of potassium, where
> a banana has 400mg. RDA is 2000mg for the US, and 3500mg for the EU.
> And it's 2g carbs per serving. Just one more possibility.

It's the potassium excreted with the water whoosh, also magnesium,
though it accounts for fewer of the symptoms.

Susan

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Alan S wrote:

> My friends on the CLL list also get cramps in what seems to
> be pretty much the same proportion as people here. And they
> don't eat any particular dietary style that I am aware of.
>

Are they on steroids or other adrenal suppressive meds? Causes
potassium loss.

Susan