My stress test and a thank you!

I breezed through my nuclear/exercise stress test today! I guess the walking
I've been doing everyday is really paying dividends. The doctor who
supervised was pleased and actually seemed a bit impressed. I'll have a
meeting next wednesday with my cardiologist to discuss the results and I
guess I'll start cardiac rehab and go back to work soon.

One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
number was 236. I have never seen a spike like that since I was diagnosed
back in April. I walked about a half mile and it dropped pretty quickly to
160. I must admit I was extremely nervous and apprehensive about the test
and I haven't been sleeping well the past three or four nights.

I've also confirmed and appointment with a therapist to deal with the
depression/anxiety/fear I've been feeling. I see him on Monday at noon. I'm
also contacting my Endo to get a referral for Diabetes classes/nutrition
classes. Wish me luck!

I'd like to thank you all for your support and suggestions in my "newbie"
thread. You can bet they were all very appreciated.

John

John wrote:
> I breezed through my nuclear/exercise stress test today! I guess the walking
> I've been doing everyday is really paying dividends. The doctor who
> supervised was pleased and actually seemed a bit impressed. I'll have a
> meeting next wednesday with my cardiologist to discuss the results and I
> guess I'll start cardiac rehab and go back to work soon.
>
> One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
> morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
> it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
> oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
> number was 236. I have never seen a spike like that since I was diagnosed
> back in April. I walked about a half mile and it dropped pretty quickly to
> 160. I must admit I was extremely nervous and apprehensive about the test
> and I haven't been sleeping well the past three or four nights.
>
> I've also confirmed and appointment with a therapist to deal with the
> depression/anxiety/fear I've been feeling. I see him on Monday at noon. I'm
> also contacting my Endo to get a referral for Diabetes classes/nutrition
> classes. Wish me luck!

No such thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33)

May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.

> I'd like to thank you all for your support and suggestions in my "newbie"
> thread. You can bet they were all very appreciated.

You are welcome, John.

Would redirect all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be
that much more blessed.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

In article <lIxji.32$CJ4.10@trndny08>,
"John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

> I breezed through my nuclear/exercise stress test today! I guess the walking
> I've been doing everyday is really paying dividends. The doctor who
> supervised was pleased and actually seemed a bit impressed. I'll have a
> meeting next wednesday with my cardiologist to discuss the results and I
> guess I'll start cardiac rehab and go back to work soon.
>
> One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
> morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
> it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
> oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
> number was 236. I have never seen a spike like that since I was diagnosed
> back in April. I walked about a half mile and it dropped pretty quickly to
> 160. I must admit I was extremely nervous and apprehensive about the test
> and I haven't been sleeping well the past three or four nights.

Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!), stress can have a huge effect
on your blood sugar.
>
> I've also confirmed and appointment with a therapist to deal with the
> depression/anxiety/fear I've been feeling. I see him on Monday at noon. I'm
> also contacting my Endo to get a referral for Diabetes classes/nutrition
> classes. Wish me luck!
>
> I'd like to thank you all for your support and suggestions in my "newbie"
> thread. You can bet they were all very appreciated.

You're welcome. We were all newbies once.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote

> Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
> for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),

That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.

John

In article <DQyji.1795$qu4.1366@trndny06>,
"John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>
> > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
> > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>
> That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
> I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
> Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
> were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
> splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
> without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.

Whole grains *are* fine in moderation. Problem is, for me, a moderate
serving of oatmeal is about one tablespoon! If I'm eating breakfast at a
hotel with a breakfast buffet, along with my bacon and eggs (or sausage
and eggs), I might treat myself to that spoonful of oatmeal, but other
than that, it's just not worth it to me. If it works for you, though, go
for it. Oatmeal's wonderful. It's just on the list of things that my
meter has told me I shouldn't eat very much of.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdoc9@emorycardiology.com> dumped in
news:1183754680.062472.62880@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com:

Sock Notice: heartdoc9 in use. "Socks of Satan"tm 11,12,13,14,15 and
"andrew" are having their spam guns refilled. Sock 10 is busy picking his
nose.

> John wrote:
>> I breezed through my nuclear/exercise stress test today! I guess the
>> walking I've been doing everyday is really paying dividends. The doctor
>> who supervised was pleased and actually seemed a bit impressed. I'll
>> have a meeting next wednesday with my cardiologist to discuss the
>> results and I guess I'll start cardiac rehab and go back to work soon.
>>
>> One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
>> morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher
>> than it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a
>> bowl of oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I
>> added), my number was 236. I have never seen a spike like that since I
>> was diagnosed back in April. I walked about a half mile and it dropped
>> pretty quickly to 160. I must admit I was extremely nervous and
>> apprehensive about the test and I haven't been sleeping well the past
>> three or four nights.
>>
>> I've also confirmed and appointment with a therapist to deal with the
>> depression/anxiety/fear I've been feeling. I see him on Monday at noon.
>> I'm also contacting my Endo to get a referral for Diabetes
>> classes/nutrition classes. Wish me luck!
>
> No such thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33)
meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH (Voragh)
>
> May GOD bwess you in HIS mighty way making you heawthiew (hungwiew)
> than evew.
>
>> I'd like to thank you all for your support and suggestions in my
>> "newbie" thread. You can bet they were all very appreciated.
>
> You awe wewcome, John.
>
> Wouwd rediwect aww thanks and pwaises to GOD so that we wiww both be
> that much more bwessed.
>
> Be hungwy... be heawthy... be bwessed... be fwatuwent... be vewy vewy
qwiet, I'm hunting wabbits... B.Chung:
>
> http://HeawtMDPhD.com/pwess.asp
SCAM ALERT
SPAM
SPAM
SPAM
>
> Pwayewfuwwy in Jesus' awesome wove,
>
> Andwew <><
> --
> Andwew B. Chung, MD/PhD/NJ/WOKA**
> Ex-Cawdiowogist
>
>
Andy is Evil

**NJ-->Nut Job,WOKA-->Winner Of K00K Awards

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:35:29 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
>morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
>it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
>oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
>number was 236.

That would be the number I'd see (or the mmol/L equivalent
of 13) if I ate that breakfast.

Try this:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Port Douglas and Daintree
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:52:35 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>
>> Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
>> for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>
>That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>Wasa crackers or even Cheerios.

What time after eating did you test them? And what meal did
you eat them at?


> The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
>splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>
>John
>
Test one hour afterwards.
Read this again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Port Douglas and Daintree
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> a écrit ...
>
> You're welcome. We were all newbies once.


Not me.

I've been a newbie at least twice.

I started out well, checking my bg every morning and watching what I eat
reasonably well until 'real life' -RL- came & hit me & I neglected
everything.

It had now become a more serious battle. My body has known for some
time that some things are 'poison' to me. (sugar, salt, chocolate are among
them, in small quantities even). But when I neglect everything, or even
when I start the day with things that are OK and I decline through lack
of attention, I am overcome with a realisation (through something like a
'sugar rush'), that I have been remiss and I have to stop and take stock
of myself.
In my defence, I have other problems that 'take over' and need attention,
but I know I must not neglect the diabetic side of my challenge.

Sorry,just sharing temporary failure feelings, so that others who may have
been there, would not feel thay have to hide it from themselves.

I'm OK, I'm learning what a constant battle this endeavour is and all
must do is just have to restart everything.

Frank

On Jul 6, 9:27 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:35:29 GMT, "John"
>
> <jcarney44_remo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
> >morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
> >it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
> >oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
> >number was 236.
>
> That would be the number I'd see (or the mmol/L equivalent
> of 13) if I ate that breakfast.
>
> Try this:http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Port Douglas and Daintreehttp://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Alan,

I don't know if these are available in Oz, but I have two different
types
of microwave cookers for eggs. One looks very much like a traditional
egg cup with a locking cover; you spray with non-stick, break an egg
into it, puncture the yolk a couple of times, and then put on the lid.
Depending on how long you cook it, you get the equivalent of a soft
boiled or hard boiled egg with no added fat.

The other is a hinged contraption that opens flat; again with the non-
stick spray, then break an egg into one of two depressions (you can
cook two eggs at a time if desired). Close the lid, and microwave
for 40-60 seconds depending on the strength of your machine. You
end up with two eggs that look perfectly poached.

I like these because there's no added fat, it's easy to clean, and
it's very quick. I have found a walnut-whole-grain bread that doesn't
give me spikes (eaten in moderation, of course), and I can make
the eggs more quickly than I can make a slice of toast! Add a
couple of slices of bacon cooked on my slanted grill and patted
dry on paper towels, a Tbsp of HP sauce, and a class of Crystal
Light orange, and it's almost like the breakfasts I used to eat!

Cheers,

Kevin

Congratulations, John! Keep putting in all the effort you can, and that is
all you can do. I *highly* support the therapy. Our health has a great
impact on all areas of our lives and bodies, and it is crazy not to expect
one not to affect the other. I have a great psychologist who has been with
me along my crazy road (pun not intended since the early 80s when we
actually started seeing him for another family member. Then another family
member, then he pretty much took on the whole family, whomever, after our
son's death, and I've been with him totally ever since, and sooooo glad I
have been. Beginning with the incidents surrounding that first one, and on
until now, it has been nice to have him there just whenever. Jim and I are
trying to balance a lot on our plates right now, sometimes having to make
everything fit onto one plate, and I feel I need to go and talk to Sam about
all that's going on - there is a lot of grieving we both have to go through
with this darn illness of mine - and since I had to cancel back in February,
I've not been able to reschedule, Sam doesn't even know all that has gone
on, not today's status. It is quite a shocker for people who haven't seen
me since I've made the 180 degree turn (no, backup, *everything* about me
hasn't changed that much if not necessary - the smile may not be able to be
there on the outside, but it for sure is there on the inside, so *that* much
has not changed!). Funny how much can happen to change us in such a short
period of time, isn't it.

You hang in there, John. Keep those Spirits UP, keep a SMILE in that heart
you're working on, *but* be realistic. *Acting* upbeat when you're actually
down, and need someone, reach out!! My computer, the Internet, ASD.........
these, in addition to my real-life family have carried me along.

Well, darn, John. I found I could just go on in this vein. People helping
people has just been such an important part of my life. My husband has not
even had a heart attack and he seems to be more emotionally prone nowadays
than ever before. Ya know, I kinda like this sensitive side to him. He
seems more approachable to a hug and kiss nowadays. *very big smile*

Oh, shoot. Good night, John. Have a good weekend Please keep us posted as
much as you feel comfortable with after your appointment Monday.

Hugs
Billie

:I breezed through my nuclear/exercise stress test today! I guess the
walking
: I've been doing everyday is really paying dividends. The doctor who
: supervised was pleased and actually seemed a bit impressed. I'll have a
: meeting next wednesday with my cardiologist to discuss the results and I
: guess I'll start cardiac rehab and go back to work soon.
: : John
:
:

Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <DQyji.1795$qu4.1366@trndny06>,
> "John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>>
>> > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
>> > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>>
>> That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>> I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>> Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>> were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
>> splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>> without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.

> Whole grains *are* fine in moderation. Problem is, for me, a moderate
> serving of oatmeal is about one tablespoon!

You can manage a whole tablespoon of oats! I'm jealous! I can only manage
that much if it's past noon and my BG is unusually low or I'm on my
feet.

--
Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:30rt8316tf3im1r4itkqc3026kdu1iu6ak@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:52:35 GMT, "John"
> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>>
>>> Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
>>> for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>>
>>That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>>I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>>Wasa crackers or even Cheerios.
>
> What time after eating did you test them? And what meal did
> you eat them at?
>
>
>> The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>>were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used
>>a
>>splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>>without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>>
>>John
>>
> Test one hour afterwards.
> Read this again:
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Port Douglas and Daintree
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management


Hi Alan, this was at breakfast at 7:00 AM. I was having my cardiac stress
test at 9:30 and I was very nervous. I tested one hour after starting the
meal at 8:00 AM. 236. After a quick half mile walk and about 45 minutes
later, I tested again. 160. My numbers have been fine since. My fasting this
morning was 87.

John

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:40:08 -0700, kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca
wrote:

>On Jul 6, 9:27 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:35:29 GMT, "John"
>>
>> <jcarney44_remo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >One area of concern though is that I has a pretty sizable BG spike this
>> >morning before the test. My morning fasting number was 92, a bit higher than
>> >it's been lately, but I've been sleeping poorly. An hour after a bowl of
>> >oatmeal and about 4 ounces of yogurt (with a few blueberries I added), my
>> >number was 236.
>>
>> That would be the number I'd see (or the mmol/L equivalent
>> of 13) if I ate that breakfast.
>>
>> Try this:http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Port Douglas and Daintreehttp://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
>
>Alan,
>
>I don't know if these are available in Oz, but I have two different
>types
>of microwave cookers for eggs. One looks very much like a traditional
>egg cup with a locking cover; you spray with non-stick, break an egg
>into it, puncture the yolk a couple of times, and then put on the lid.
>Depending on how long you cook it, you get the equivalent of a soft
>boiled or hard boiled egg with no added fat.
>
>The other is a hinged contraption that opens flat; again with the non-
>stick spray, then break an egg into one of two depressions (you can
>cook two eggs at a time if desired). Close the lid, and microwave
>for 40-60 seconds depending on the strength of your machine. You
>end up with two eggs that look perfectly poached.
>
>I like these because there's no added fat, it's easy to clean, and
>it's very quick. I have found a walnut-whole-grain bread that doesn't
>give me spikes (eaten in moderation, of course), and I can make
>the eggs more quickly than I can make a slice of toast! Add a
>couple of slices of bacon cooked on my slanted grill and patted
>dry on paper towels, a Tbsp of HP sauce, and a class of Crystal
>Light orange, and it's almost like the breakfasts I used to eat!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Kevin

Hi Kevin

I use a similar but simpler method for microwave scrambled
eggs. Break an egg into a mug or cup, add a slosh of milk,
season to taste, beat lightly with a fork and microwave for
60 seconds on high. Check, stir, repeat in 15 second bursts
if necessary (time varies because microwave powers vary).

Eat direct from the mug with the fork you used to stir it.

If you want to get fancy, a little chopped parsley added
before cooking is good.





Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:03:43 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:30rt8316tf3im1r4itkqc3026kdu1iu6ak@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:52:35 GMT, "John"
>> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
>>>> for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>>>
>>>That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>>>I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>>>Wasa crackers or even Cheerios.
>>
>> What time after eating did you test them? And what meal did
>> you eat them at?
>>
>>
>>> The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>>>were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used
>>>a
>>>splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>>>without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>>>
>>>John
>>>
>> Test one hour afterwards.
>> Read this again:
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --
>> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Port Douglas and Daintree
>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
>
>
>Hi Alan, this was at breakfast at 7:00 AM. I was having my cardiac stress
>test at 9:30 and I was very nervous. I tested one hour after starting the
>meal at 8:00 AM. 236. After a quick half mile walk and about 45 minutes
>later, I tested again. 160. My numbers have been fine since. My fasting this
>morning was 87.
>
>John
>
>
Hi John

I had picked up that the 236 was breakfast, my timing
comment was related to "I've had absolutely no problem with
whole wheat bread, brown rice, those Wasa crackers or even
Cheerios."

What did you eat this morning, and what were you one hour
after that?


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

In article <5f98pmF3bei76U1@mid.individual.net>,
Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <DQyji.1795$qu4.1366@trndny06>,
> > "John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
> >> > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
> >>
> >> That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
> >> I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
> >> Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
> >> were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used
> >> a
> >> splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
> >> without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>
> > Whole grains *are* fine in moderation. Problem is, for me, a moderate
> > serving of oatmeal is about one tablespoon!
>
> You can manage a whole tablespoon of oats! I'm jealous! I can only manage
> that much if it's past noon and my BG is unusually low or I'm on my
> feet.

That's a tablespoon *after* cooking!

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:03:43 GMT, "John"
> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:30rt8316tf3im1r4itkqc3026kdu1iu6ak@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:52:35 GMT, "John"
>>> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had
>>>>> oatmeal
>>>>> for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>>>>
>>>>That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>>>>I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>>>>Wasa crackers or even Cheerios.
>>>
>>> What time after eating did you test them? And what meal did
>>> you eat them at?
>>>
>>>
>>>> The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>>>>were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only
>>>>used
>>>>a
>>>>splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>>>>without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>> Test one hour afterwards.
>>> Read this again:
>>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>>> --
>>> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
>>> latest: Port Douglas and Daintree
>>> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>>> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
>>
>>
>>Hi Alan, this was at breakfast at 7:00 AM. I was having my cardiac stress
>>test at 9:30 and I was very nervous. I tested one hour after starting the
>>meal at 8:00 AM. 236. After a quick half mile walk and about 45 minutes
>>later, I tested again. 160. My numbers have been fine since. My fasting
>>this
>>morning was 87.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
> Hi John
>
> I had picked up that the 236 was breakfast, my timing
> comment was related to "I've had absolutely no problem with
> whole wheat bread, brown rice, those Wasa crackers or even
> Cheerios."
>
> What did you eat this morning, and what were you one hour
> after that?
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and half
an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile walk
in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet with
sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this because I
know it doesn't spike me.

John

neighbor John wrote:
>
> Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
> oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and half
> an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile walk
> in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet with
> sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this because I
> know it doesn't spike me.

If you are not hungrier (ie because of overeating), you are
accumulating more VAT, which will likely contribute more toward
progression of your CV disease than your PP BGs ever would.

Would suggest you read the following:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 00:40:08 -0700, kevinbertschglf@yahoo.ca wrote:

>The other is a hinged contraption that opens flat; again with the non-
>stick spray, then break an egg into one of two depressions (you can
>cook two eggs at a time if desired). Close the lid, and microwave
>for 40-60 seconds depending on the strength of your machine. You
>end up with two eggs that look perfectly poached.

Kevin, I keep looking at these and wondering - do you get a runny
yolk?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:31:24 -0400, Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com>
wrote:

>In article <5f98pmF3bei76U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Alice Faber <afaber@panix.com> wrote:
>> > In article <DQyji.1795$qu4.1366@trndny06>,
>> > "John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
>> >> > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>> >>
>> >> That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
>> >> I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
>> >> Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
>> >> were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used
>> >> a
>> >> splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
>> >> without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>>
>> > Whole grains *are* fine in moderation. Problem is, for me, a moderate
>> > serving of oatmeal is about one tablespoon!
>>
>> You can manage a whole tablespoon of oats! I'm jealous! I can only manage
>> that much if it's past noon and my BG is unusually low or I'm on my
>> feet.
>
>That's a tablespoon *after* cooking!

That's what he meant : ) Me too.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and half
>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140.

Good idea, using the oil to slow the bread absorption down. Still
higher than I'd like to go, but way better than that 200+ thing, which
does look stress related.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Jul 6, 2:52 pm, "John" <jcarney44_remo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote
>
> > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
> > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
>
> That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
> I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
> Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
> were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
> splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
> without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>
> John

Hi John,

Imho, you're fortunate that most whole grains aren't spiking your
BGs~all of those things spike me and it isn't necessarily related to
the total carb count. Some carbs get digested more quickly than
others and overwhelm your system. However, given the stress you were
under the day you ate the oatmeal, I'd suggest testing it again on a
normal day, because stress can affect your BG readings.

Here's how quirky our individual systems can be: I can eat raw
carrots, but cooked carrots spike me. I believe the reason is that
cooking breaks down the fiber in carrots somewhat and allows the carbs
in carrots to enter my system more quickly. Go figure. Hence the
advice: test, test, test. You've just got to figure out what works
for you individually.

Many congrats on the successful stress test! Glad to hear you have an
appt discuss the depression/anxiety issue too.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

Alice Faber wrote:
> In article <DQyji.1795$qu4.1366@trndny06>,
> "John" <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote
> >
> > > Aside from the oatmeal (the one time since diagnosis that I had oatmeal
> > > for breakfast, I had that kind of spike!),
> >
> > That really shocks me. I thought whole grains in moderation would be OK.
> > I've had absolutely no problem with whole wheat bread, brown rice, those
> > Wasa crackers or even Cheerios. The carbs in the serving of outmeal I had
> > were 18G with 3, I think, of fiber. I don't use sugar on it and only used a
> > splash of skim milk. I'll try it one more time, without the stress and
> > without the yogurt and blueberries and see what happens.
>
> Whole grains *are* fine in moderation. Problem is, for me, a moderate
> serving of oatmeal is about one tablespoon! If I'm eating breakfast at a
> hotel with a breakfast buffet, along with my bacon and eggs (or sausage
> and eggs), I might treat myself to that spoonful of oatmeal, but other
> than that, it's just not worth it to me. If it works for you, though, go
> for it. Oatmeal's wonderful. It's just on the list of things that my
> meter has told me I shouldn't eat very much of.

The problem here is that you need something to tell you the right
amount to eat of those things your meter says you can eat in
unrestricted amounts.

The latter would be your meter lying to you because it is the
overeating that causes type-2 diabetes by way of ever increasing
insulin resistance driven by the increasing amounts of VAT.

Suggested reading:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and half
>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile walk
>in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet with
>sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this because I
>know it doesn't spike me.
>
>John

That's a much less carby breakfast and splitting it with
exercise helps even more. Good system if you can continue
it. I envy you the ability to accept 140(7.9) and eat the
toast; I aim lower.

Why only egg-white? Is that a taste preference or a
cholesterol worry?

My breakfast was one chorizo sausage, sliced and fried in
it's own fat then drained on paper, with one fried egg
(using an egg-ring lightly spray coated with canola) and a
tablespoon of napoli(tomato) sauce. I've run out of strips
until I see the chemist tomorrow, but I know that will raise
my BG's less than one mmol/l or 18mg/dl.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
>>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and
>>half
>>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile
>>walk
>>in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet with
>>sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this because
>>I
>>know it doesn't spike me.
>>
>>John
>
> That's a much less carby breakfast and splitting it with
> exercise helps even more. Good system if you can continue
> it. I envy you the ability to accept 140(7.9) and eat the
> toast; I aim lower.

Alan, I don't accept that. I look at 140 as the absolute highest I'd want to
go. I'm still learning and I'm still very confused about reconciling a diet
that needs to address my diabetic concerns and my heart disease concerns.
>
> Why only egg-white? Is that a taste preference or a
> cholesterol worry?

Yes. As I said, I have heart disease concerns. As should all diabetics since
2/3s of us die from heart related problems. I have it worse since I've
already had a heart attack. I don't want another and will do everything in
my power to prevent another.

John

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:14:36 GMT, "John"
<jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:vp309311qvor3u6t93alv84dffu9obdf70@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
>> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth olive
>>>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and
>>>half
>>>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile
>>>walk
>>>in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet with
>>>sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this because
>>>I
>>>know it doesn't spike me.
>>>
>>>John
>>
>> That's a much less carby breakfast and splitting it with
>> exercise helps even more. Good system if you can continue
>> it. I envy you the ability to accept 140(7.9) and eat the
>> toast; I aim lower.
>
>Alan, I don't accept that. I look at 140 as the absolute highest I'd want to
>go. I'm still learning and I'm still very confused about reconciling a diet
>that needs to address my diabetic concerns and my heart disease concerns.
>>
>> Why only egg-white? Is that a taste preference or a
>> cholesterol worry?
>
>Yes. As I said, I have heart disease concerns. As should all diabetics since
>2/3s of us die from heart related problems. I have it worse since I've
>already had a heart attack. I don't want another and will do everything in
>my power to prevent another.
>
>John
>
I understand your fears.

On the first point, the 140, I would ditch the breakfast
bread completely, or have no more than a half-slice; find
some alternative for that.

On eggs and cholesterol, do a little searching on the
subject. When I did that, I found two things which surprised
me: ingested cholesterol has very little effect on serum
cholesterol - EXCESS of fats or carbs had the most effect -
and egg yolks, eaten in moderation, have a lot of good
nutrition in them.

When I added that information to the knowledge that
high-carb breakfasts were disastrous for my post-prandial
numbers, eggs became a routine part of my menu.

But do your own investigation, that's the only way you can
be confident of that yourself.

See if any of these alternative ideas for breakfast help:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:14:36 GMT, "John"
> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:vp309311qvor3u6t93alv84dffu9obdf70@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
>>> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth
>>>>olive
>>>>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half and
>>>>half
>>>>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile
>>>>walk
>>>>in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet
>>>>with
>>>>sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this
>>>>because
>>>>I
>>>>know it doesn't spike me.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>
>>> That's a much less carby breakfast and splitting it with
>>> exercise helps even more. Good system if you can continue
>>> it. I envy you the ability to accept 140(7.9) and eat the
>>> toast; I aim lower.
>>
>>Alan, I don't accept that. I look at 140 as the absolute highest I'd want
>>to
>>go. I'm still learning and I'm still very confused about reconciling a
>>diet
>>that needs to address my diabetic concerns and my heart disease concerns.
>>>
>>> Why only egg-white? Is that a taste preference or a
>>> cholesterol worry?
>>
>>Yes. As I said, I have heart disease concerns. As should all diabetics
>>since
>>2/3s of us die from heart related problems. I have it worse since I've
>>already had a heart attack. I don't want another and will do everything in
>>my power to prevent another.
>>
>>John
>>
> I understand your fears.
>
> On the first point, the 140, I would ditch the breakfast
> bread completely, or have no more than a half-slice; find
> some alternative for that.
>
> On eggs and cholesterol, do a little searching on the
> subject. When I did that, I found two things which surprised
> me: ingested cholesterol has very little effect on serum
> cholesterol - EXCESS of fats or carbs had the most effect -
> and egg yolks, eaten in moderation, have a lot of good
> nutrition in them.
>
> When I added that information to the knowledge that
> high-carb breakfasts were disastrous for my post-prandial
> numbers, eggs became a routine part of my menu.
>
> But do your own investigation, that's the only way you can
> be confident of that yourself.
>
> See if any of these alternative ideas for breakfast help:
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...reakfasts.html
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

Thanks Alan. You have no idea how much I appreciate the help. I'm feeling
pretty lost. I plan to call my endo on Monday to move up my next
appointment. I think I need a long discussion with her.

John

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:
: "Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:ika093h0j2ta046mj0je1o98nis2fditdp@4ax.com...
: > On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:14:36 GMT, "John"
: > <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
: >
: >>
: >>"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote in message
: >>news:vp309311qvor3u6t93alv84dffu9obdf70@4ax.com. ..
: >>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:28:01 GMT, "John"
: >>> <jcarney44_remove_@verizon.net> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>>
: >>>>Today, I had a split breakfast. One piece of whole wheat bread wilth
: >>>>olive
: >>>>oil on it, a few pistachios and a cup of coffee with a dash of half
and
: >>>>half
: >>>>an a 1/2 teaspoon of sugar. One hour later, I was 140. Took a 2.2 mile
: >>>>walk
: >>>>in 38 minutes, tested again. 88. Just now, I had an egg-white omelet
: >>>>with
: >>>>sauteed (olive oil) mushrooms and spinach. I won't test after this
: >>>>because
: >>>>I
: >>>>know it doesn't spike me.
: >>>>
: >>>>John
: >>>
: >>> That's a much less carby breakfast and splitting it with
: >>> exercise helps