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Old 05-18-2008, 02:49 AM
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I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
person should be aware of it's activity curve
The understanding the results of multiple daily
schedules is so necessary.

I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
stable blood sugar overnight.

i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.

IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
but the need for it should not be guess

I will remind you that the great NPH, the
"magic solution" full of faults and damn near
killed me in the 80's.

Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups

In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
information. Factual tests.


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Old 05-19-2008, 01:46 PM
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>
> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
> person should be aware of it's activity curve
> The understanding the results of multiple daily
> schedules is so necessary.
>
> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
> stable blood sugar overnight.
>
> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.
>
> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
> but the need for it should not be guess
>
> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
> killed me in the 80's.
>
> Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups
>
> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
> information. Factual tests.
>
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I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should (1) get to know the
insulin - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
including peak (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs
(3) how insulin is affected by exercise. (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
both by measurement and feel - and how to counteract them without overdoing
it (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
leave it to the doctor to manage.

Henry Mydlarz


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Old 05-19-2008, 06:33 PM
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"hemyd" <myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> <guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
>> person should be aware of it's activity curve
>> The understanding the results of multiple daily
>> schedules is so necessary.
>>
>> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
>> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
>> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
>> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
>> stable blood sugar overnight.
>>
>> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.
>>
>> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
>> but the need for it should not be guess
>>
>> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
>> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
>> killed me in the 80's.
>>
>> Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
>> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
>> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups
>>
>> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
>> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
>> information. Factual tests.
>>
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>
> I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should (1) get to know
> the insulin - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
> including peak (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs
> (3) how insulin is affected by exercise. (4) Learn how to recognise
> hypos - both by measurement and feel - and how to counteract them without
> overdoing it (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably
> more details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can,
> and not leave it to the doctor to manage.


As has been mentioned, some here believe that the doctors are infallible and
we should trust them blindly. To NOT be proactive in your care is the
absolute height of laziness. My doc said she loves the fact that I am so
obsessive about my care. Say it makes her job so much easier.

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Old 05-19-2008, 06:33 PM
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On May 19, 2:00*pm, "DarkSentinel"
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> My doc said she loves the fact that I am so
> obsessive about my care. Say it makes her job so much easier.
>
> --
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Same here and I also have a female endo. I don't think this is a
coincidence. With a disease like diabetes, the patient has to be
intimately involved and proactive in the treatment. Many male doctors
I've met have been authoritarian types who dislike questioning and
proactiviness in general. I tend to not see doctors like this a second
time as I'm a Type A personality and would inevitably wind up butting
heads with a doctor like that.

John C.

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Old 05-19-2008, 09:13 PM
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hemyd wrote:

> <guys@consolidated.net> wrote


>> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
>> person should be aware of it's activity curve
>> The understanding the results of multiple daily
>> schedules is so necessary.
>>
>> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
>> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
>> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
>> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
>> stable blood sugar overnight.
>>
>> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.



what is your 'bolus' (i.e. fast) insulin??


>>
>> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
>> but the need for it should not be guess
>>
>> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
>> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
>> killed me in the 80's.



which NPH was that? human-NPH?


>>
>> Each insulin fit a purpose



what purpose did human-NPH fit
for you?


> and the best way to
>> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
>> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups



not one of my docs of this past 50 years
has understood insulin for me (child onset t1)


>>
>> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
>> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
>> information. Factual tests.



what are "factual tests"??


> I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should
> (1) get to know the insulin



fwiw, that takes a minimum of 1-5 years


> ... - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
> including peak



every once in a while, there's something that
gives a clue on that; but not from any of the
big 3 insulin makers


> (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs



agreed.


> (3) how insulin is affected by exercise.



actually, it's how active insulin (above
one's basal needs) are affected by exercise


> (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
> both by measurement and feel - and how
> to counteract them without overdoing it



you're a t2. are you using insulin?

if yes, which?

and for how long?


> (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
> details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
> leave it to the doctor to manage.



transport/store is no big deal so long
as it's "human"-insulin (or beef or pork)


bill t1 since '57
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Old 05-20-2008, 01:50 AM
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:29:50 -0500, willbill <trek@worldwide.net>
wrote:

>hemyd wrote:
>
>> <guys@consolidated.net> wrote

>
>>> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
>>> person should be aware of it's activity curve
>>> The understanding the results of multiple daily
>>> schedules is so necessary.
>>>
>>> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
>>> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
>>> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
>>> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
>>> stable blood sugar overnight.
>>>
>>> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.

>
>
>what is your 'bolus' (i.e. fast) insulin??


*********************************
>

I now use humalog because it fast action is easier to manage

But I had to run tests to see how to calculate doses of any bolus
insulin I use.

Three units of excess insulin will take me to near zero on the meter.
It is not easy and before I found out, I was a hell of a mess. Thank
god I am a engineering type and can do the routines. YOU and I are
different in our insulin needs.

I think I figured out why your method
works for you. So you do best with animal insulin. You probably
have an intact glucose release on low glucose so you do well
with that would harm me. Each diabetic must learn their case.


>>> but the need for it should not be guess
>>>
>>> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
>>> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
>>> killed me in the 80's.

>
>
>which NPH was that? human-NPH?


***************************
>

Bill, I do not think human insulin was available when I started. >

I do remember the concern over the pending shortage of Insulin
and the need for a substitute. I am a person that is familiar with
Chromagraph columns and run's on contaminated materials.
This area was discussed in the better MHD days.

In my case, I was losing basal when NPH was running out in
about 14 hours, Then my body tries to correct by dumping a lot
glucose, To damaging levels.

**************************************,
>>> Each insulin fit a purpose

>
>
>what purpose did human-NPH fit
>for you?
>
>
>> and the best way to
>>> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
>>> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups

>
>
>not one of my docs of this past 50 years
>has understood insulin for me (child onset t1)
>

********
>Yeah, but they are all we have. The broad spetrum of

heath is beyond one human mind

*********'>>>
>>> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
>>> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
>>> information. Factual tests.

>
>
>what are "factual tests"?? ************* Engineered tests free from speculation
>
>
>> I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should
>> (1) get to know the insulin

>
>
>fwiw, that takes a minimum of 1-5 years
>
>
>> ... - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
>> including peak

>
>
>every once in a while, there's something that
>gives a clue on that; but not from any of the
>big 3 insulin makers


*******************>
Lilly refused to give me insulin curves. I found the best info on the
AIDA site where I could digitize it easily. Their curves fitted me
well. There was a lot of crayon drawings that were gross.

>
>> (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs

>
>
>agreed.
>
>
>> (3) how insulin is affected by exercise.

>
>
>actually, it's how active insulin (above
>one's basal needs) are affected by exercise
>
>
>> (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
>> both by measurement and feel - and how
>> to counteract them without overdoing it

>
>
>you're a t2. are you using insulin?
>
>if yes, which?
>
>and for how long?
>
>
>> (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
>> details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
>> leave it to the doctor to manage.

>
>
>transport/store is no big deal so long
>as it's "human"-insulin (or beef or pork)
>
>
>bill t1 since '57


Thank you for a good addition.

I am A late onset T1 probably from an abdominal
infection. NO family history of diabetes. I just
recently had a doc try to shove 'Juandia" on me.
He failed to listen

My insulin requirements are not abnormal but
must come from the needle.

On reason I am adamant about all of the
tests. God damn guesses did me harm.


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Old 05-20-2008, 02:16 PM
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On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:39:38 +1000, "hemyd"
<myd!!!hen@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

><guys@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>news:vvmu249km2ige8lisqefqu334g5uojnlhp@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
>> person should be aware of it's activity curve
>> The understanding the results of multiple daily
>> schedules is so necessary.
>>
>> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
>> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
>> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
>> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
>> stable blood sugar overnight.
>>
>> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.
>>
>> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
>> but the need for it should not be guess
>>
>> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
>> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
>> killed me in the 80's.
>>
>> Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
>> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
>> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups
>>
>> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
>> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
>> information. Factual tests.
>>
>>
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>> News==----
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>
>I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should (1) get to know the
>insulin - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
>including peak (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs
>(3) how insulin is affected by exercise. (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
>both by measurement and feel - and how to counteract them without overdoing
>it (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
>details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
>leave it to the doctor to manage.
>
>Henry Mydlarz
>

Well said Henry. I can never understand why anyone would do
it any other way.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:20 PM
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On May 20, 5:52 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:39:38 +1000, "hemyd"
>
>
>
> <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> ><g...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
> >news:vvmu249km2ige8lisqefqu334g5uojnlhp@4ax.com.. .

>
> >> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
> >> person should be aware of it's activity curve
> >> The understanding the results of multiple daily
> >> schedules is so necessary.

>
> >> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
> >> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
> >> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
> >> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
> >> stable blood sugar overnight.

>
> >> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.

>
> >> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
> >> but the need for it should not be guess

>
> >> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
> >> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
> >> killed me in the 80's.

>
> >> Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
> >> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
> >> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups

>
> >> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
> >> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
> >> information. Factual tests.

>
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> >I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should (1) get to know the
> >insulin - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
> >including peak (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs
> >(3) how insulin is affected by exercise. (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
> >both by measurement and feel - and how to counteract them without overdoing
> >it (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
> >details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
> >leave it to the doctor to manage.

>
> >Henry Mydlarz

>
> Well said Henry. I can never understand why anyone would do
> it any other way.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>
> Angkor Wathttp://loraltravel.blogspot.com


One thing that every diabetics should keep in mind is that doctors/
diabetologists/endocronologits can guide us about our problem either
male or female. We have have to take care o ourselves as these people
cant be with us for 24 hours.
Everything a diabetic need to find about insulin can be found here
http://www.reddiabetes.com/Insulin.html
Hope this helps the diabetics in understanding about insulin.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:35 AM
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Tehmina wrote:
> On May 20, 5:52 pm, Alan S <loralgtweightandca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 21:39:38 +1000, "hemyd"
>>
>>
>>
>> <myd!!!...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> <g...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vvmu249km2ige8lisqefqu334g5uojnlhp@4ax.com...
>>>> I see so much of "Lantus misunderstanding". Any
>>>> person should be aware of it's activity curve
>>>> The understanding the results of multiple daily
>>>> schedules is so necessary.
>>>> I use Lantus to maintain basal so I do not have
>>>> to lose sleep to maintain basal. Due to
>>>> it's nature I cannot determine it's exact effect on my
>>>> blood glucose so I found the level that will give me
>>>> stable blood sugar overnight.
>>>> i do the rest with 'multiple bolus'.
>>>> IN my case it is a needed and a very useful tool
>>>> but the need for it should not be guess
>>>> I will remind you that the great NPH, the
>>>> "magic solution" full of faults and damn near
>>>> killed me in the 80's.
>>>> Each insulin fit a purpose and the best way to
>>>> find what you need+---is a fully qualified responsible
>>>> Endo that does the needed tests.Then does follow ups
>>>> In my opinion this guessing game is not proper for
>>>> treating diabetes if any test may give a bit of proper
>>>> information. Factual tests.
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>>> I maintain that any person about to go on insulin should (1) get to know the
>>> insulin - its intended purpose and its effectiveness over what time,
>>> including peak (2) how the insulin interacts with foods, especially carbs
>>> (3) how insulin is affected by exercise. (4) Learn how to recognise hypos -
>>> both by measurement and feel - and how to counteract them without overdoing
>>> it (5) how to transport and store insulin. There are probably more
>>> details.... basically, the user should learn as much as he/she can, and not
>>> leave it to the doctor to manage.
>>> Henry Mydlarz

>> Well said Henry. I can never understand why anyone would do
>> it any other way.
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>> --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
>> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
>>
>> Angkor Wathttp://loraltravel.blogspot.com

>
> One thing that every diabetics should keep in mind is that doctors/
> diabetologists/endocronologits can guide us about our problem either
> male or female. We have have to take care o ourselves as these people
> cant be with us for 24 hours.
> Everything a diabetic need to find about insulin can be found here
> http://www.SPAMdiabetes.com/Insulin.html
> Hope this helps the diabetics in understanding about insulin.


there are GOOD books that explain insulin use

Think Like a Pancreas by Gary Schneider

Using Insulin by John Walsh

then there is the AIDA website/google group

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