Need for a consuner organization to buffer doctor patient business.

The docs woud ot like it and probably shot it down.

But we are lambs when we go to the doctor.

WE need a hard business entity to handle our interactions
with doctors..

Some seem to be grabbing all they can before socialized
medicine arrives.

I have a hard tine remembering when a doc has done any
more than give me a cursory exam.

Almost as bad as when we give exact medical
advice to a poster.

Any entity will become abusive if it does not have an
independent audit.

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:09:18 -0500, guys@consolidated.net wrote:

>
>The docs woud ot like it and probably shot it down.
>
>But we are lambs when we go to the doctor.
>
>WE need a hard business entity to handle our interactions
>with doctors..
>
>Some seem to be grabbing all they can before socialized
>medicine arrives.
>
>I have a hard tine remembering when a doc has done any
>more than give me a cursory exam.
>
>Almost as bad as when we give exact medical
>advice to a poster.
>
>Any entity will become abusive if it does not have an
>independent audit.
>

The first time I meet a doctor that is new to me I make it clear that
he/she works for me. If they have a problem with that, I ask they
recommend someone else. Very few times have any doctors argued with me
on that score. In fact most of them have expressed relief and said
something like, "I wish more of my patients had your attitude." I have
established very friendly relationships with most of them, including
calling them by their first name and them calling me Chuck instead of
Mr. Perry.
--

Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~


Americans killed in the occupation of Iraq as of August 22, 2007 is 3,723.
United Kingdom = 168 Other = 129.

How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego?
Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it!

As of Augest 23, 2007 it has been 1606 days since Bush
while standing in front of the banner which was sent
to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our
allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well?
Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair
Lewis

"Grandpa Chuck" <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote in message
news:bmprc35quaptd59bbm0615pnbvb4b7228d@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:09:18 -0500, guys@consolidated.net wrote:
>
>>
>>The docs woud ot like it and probably shot it down.
>>
>>But we are lambs when we go to the doctor.
>>
>>WE need a hard business entity to handle our interactions
>>with doctors..
>>
>>Some seem to be grabbing all they can before socialized
>>medicine arrives.
>>
>>I have a hard tine remembering when a doc has done any
>>more than give me a cursory exam.
>>
>>Almost as bad as when we give exact medical
>>advice to a poster.
>>
>>Any entity will become abusive if it does not have an
>>independent audit.
>>
>
> The first time I meet a doctor that is new to me I make it clear that
> he/she works for me. If they have a problem with that, I ask they
> recommend someone else. Very few times have any doctors argued with me
> on that score. In fact most of them have expressed relief and said
> something like, "I wish more of my patients had your attitude." I have
> established very friendly relationships with most of them, including
> calling them by their first name and them calling me Chuck instead of
> Mr. Perry.
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>It does go a long way to be able to communicate well but the playing
>field isn't even, in that being a patient often means being vulnerable and
>ill, or maybe even unpleasant and irrational and unable to truly be
>consumer-minded.
>

> Americans killed in the occupation of Iraq as of August 22, 2007 is 3,723.
> United Kingdom = 168 Other = 129.
>
> How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego?
> Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it!
>
> As of Augest 23, 2007 it has been 1606 days since Bush
> while standing in front of the banner which was sent
> to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our
> allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
>
> Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well?
> Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began.
>
>
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and
> carrying a cross." --Sinclair
> Lewis

On Aug 23, 12:09 pm, g...@consolidated.net wrote:
> The docs woud ot like it and probably shot it down.

Would you need their permission?

> But we are lambs when we go to the doctor.

Who are you calling "we"? YOU may be a lamb, and that is your
choice. You also have the choice to be a responsible consumer of a
professional service.

> WE need a hard business entity to handle our interactions
> with doctors..

Nonsense. YOU need to take responsibility for who you hire and what
services they perform for you. And YOU need to hold the service
providers responsible for maintaining the quality of their work.

> Some seem to be grabbing all they can before socialized
> medicine arrives.

They can only "grab" what is offered to them.

> I have a hard tine remembering when a doc has done any
> more than give me a cursory exam.

When was the last time you ASKED for more than a cursory exam?

> Almost as bad as when we give exact medical
> advice to a poster.

Again with the "we"? The only one I see here giving medical advice is
Andrew, and his is so rediculous that only a complete fool would
listen to it.

> Any entity will become abusive if it does not have an
> independent audit.

A service provider will do the best he can to give good value, but if
the recipient chooses to be a "lamb" and not ask for more than a
cursory exam, that's what they will get.

If, on the other hand, a consumer takes responsibility for who they
hire and what services are provided, and understands that they are
responsible for the medical care they get, and they get the care they
get because of the choices they make, and they thereupon start making
better, more informed choices, things get much better.

You want to be a "lamb"? Go ahead. But don't blame others for your
choices.
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