Neuropathy in feet? ... a valuable little tip.

By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
helps somebody.

John

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167692229.889104.181480@48g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
> helps somebody.
>
> John
>

Even better than wearing socks to bed is wearing diabetic thermo foot
gauntlets.

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:54:20 -0800, "Anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote:

>
>"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1167692229.889104.181480@48g2000cwx.googlegr oups.com...
>> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
>> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
>> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
>> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
>> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
>> helps somebody.
>>
>> John
>>

I do not wear socks to bed but I do make sure the top sheet and covers
are very loose where my lower legs and feet are.

>
>Even better than wearing socks to bed is wearing diabetic thermo foot
>gauntlets.
>

What the heck are those?

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> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:54:20 -0800, "Anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1167692229.889104.181480@48g2000cwx.googleg roups.com...
>>> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
>>> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
>>> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
>>> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
>>> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
>>> helps somebody.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>
> I do not wear socks to bed but I do make sure the top sheet and covers
> are very loose where my lower legs and feet are.
>
>>
>>Even better than wearing socks to bed is wearing diabetic thermo foot
>>gauntlets.
>>
>
> What the heck are those?
>
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
>
> Americans killed in Iraq as of December 30, 2006 is 3000. United Kingdom =
> 127 Other = 123.
> Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called
> insurgents.
> As of January 1, 2007 it has been 1339 days since Bush declared, "Mission
> Accomplished."
> "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and
> carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis
>
>
This is the ones that I get:
http://www.amazon.com/Thermoskin-The...?ie=UTF8&s=hpc

Medicare pays for one pair every year along with a pair of Diabetic shoes.

Anon

Anon wrote:
> Even better than wearing socks to bed is wearing diabetic thermo foot
> gauntlets.

THERMAL FOOT GAUNTLETS!!!! Sounds scary. Try the socks.

(haha) John

Anon wrote:
> Even better than wearing socks to bed is wearing diabetic thermo foot
> gauntlets.

THERMAL FOOT GAUNTLETS..... I don't know.... sounds scary. I'd have
dreams about the Spanish Inquisition. Just try the socks.

(haha) John

yeah-sure wrote:
> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.

In bed is the only time my feet get free of socks so the skin can
breath. Most of my life I wore sandals but now I live where it gets
colder and must wear socks and shoes. The first thing I do when I walk
in the door is kick off the shoes. I keep the socks on in deference to
the diabetes and the cold floor until bedtime then the feet are finally
free.

- Jewel

Jewel wrote:
> colder and must wear socks and shoes. The first thing I do when I walk
> in the door is kick off the shoes. I keep the socks on in deference to
> the diabetes and the cold floor until bedtime then the feet are finally
> free.

I am constantly "finding" unpleasant things in the carpet even with my
slippers on. If I had neuropathy, you can bet I'd be wearing shoes.

--
Wes Groleau

A pessimist says the glass is half empty.

An optimist says the glass is half full.

An engineer says somebody made the glass
twice as big as it needed to be.

On 1 Jan 2007 14:57:09 -0800, "yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com>
wrote:

>By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
>irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
>Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
>last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
>bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
>helps somebody.
>
>John

In cold weather, I usually wear cotton socks to bed and nothing else.
DH, also a T2, wears wool socks and shorts. I can't stand wool next to
my skin, it makes me itchy. I have to move away when he gets his feet
near me. He says the wool socks keep his feet warm and the circulation
flowing.

Andrea2
mother, Type 2, MDI insulin

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:57:09 -0800, yeah-sure wrote:

> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
> helps somebody.
>
> John

FWIW - I've found that B12 with Folic Acid and Lipoic Acid seem to reduce
any neuropathy in my feet that is otherwise there.

ray wrote:
> FWIW - I've found that B12 with Folic Acid and Lipoic Acid seem to reduce
> any neuropathy in my feet that is otherwise there.

I have it real bad - bottom of feet burn and hurt all the time and I
can't stand or walk for very long (embarrising scooter in the
supermarket..haha). I take Lyrica for that and Actos for the
diabetes..... also, B1 and folic acid as per the doctor. I Keep hearing
about the Alpha lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil - so, I just went
out and bought some. Maybe, when I wake up tomorrow, I'll be healed.

John

I can't stand the touch of the covers even with wearing socks. So... I
bought a big laundry basket for $5 and cut out one of the long sides. Turned
it upside down and slid it under the blankets. Wonderful! And the
satisfaction of finding a good bargain too! Much better than those metal
hoop contraptions that sell for $50 and up.
Nancy F, SoCal
Christ, Chorus, Cats, Computers

"Anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:go2dnaQge9mxAgTYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
>> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
>> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
>> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
>> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
>> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
>> helps somebody.
>>
>> John

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
news:1167712033.746695.68530@k21g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> ray wrote:
>> FWIW - I've found that B12 with Folic Acid and Lipoic Acid seem to reduce
>> any neuropathy in my feet that is otherwise there.
>
> John wrote <snip> I Keep hearing
> about the Alpha lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil - so, I just went
> out and bought some. Maybe, when I wake up tomorrow, I'll be healed.
>
> John
>
Hi John,
I had the same symptoms- so painful that I dared not step outside with bare
feet.Smooth surfaces were bearble but painful. What worked for me, was the
Alpha Lipoic Acid, as Ray suggested. I started taking 1200mg a day for a few
weeks and increased exercise; the pain significantly decreased. That was
200mg tablets totalling 1200mg over the course of each day.

If you do a bit of reading on the ALA you will find that most suggest that
ALA is only effective once absorbed for about 30 minutes. Some recommend
the sustained release variety for this reason.
Mine were the standard common garden variety. The cheapest I found when I
was in the States was sold at Walmart, which is where I got mine. If I
recall correctly the brand was Rexall (?).
Hope you get some good benefits from your new ALA tablets.

Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia

Craig wrote:
.....snip snip... What worked for me, was the
> Alpha Lipoic Acid, as Ray suggested. I started taking 1200mg a day for a few
> weeks and increased exercise; the pain significantly decreased. That was
> 200mg tablets totalling 1200mg over the course of each day.
>
> Mine were the standard common garden variety. The cheapest I found when I
> was in the States was sold at Walmart, which is where I got mine. If I
> recall correctly the brand was Rexall (?).

I just looked... these are only 100 mg.... guess I'll have to take one
every few minutes....haha. Also got these at Walmart - Spring Valley
brand. I think there were other strengths on the shelf but I had taken
a Lyrica about an hour earlier and had just gone off to lala land and
wasn't paying attention. If we'd had Lyrica during the 60's the drug
culture would have never got off the ground....lol. ("Hey man, wanna
hit off this joint?"......."No thanks, dude.... I just popped a
Lyrica.")

I keep hearing about exercize.... kinda hard when you can't stand up
more than a few minutes at a time. Guess I could just flop around on
the floor for a while.

Johm
www.digitalbirdcrap.com

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> snip> but I had taken
> a Lyrica about an hour earlier and had just gone off to lala land and
> wasn't paying attention. If we'd had Lyrica during the 60's the drug
> culture would have never got off the ground....lol. ("Hey man, wanna
> hit off this joint?"......."No thanks, dude.... I just popped a
> Lyrica.")
>
> I keep hearing about exercize.... kinda hard when you can't stand up
> more than a few minutes at a time. Guess I could just flop around on
> the floor for a while.
>
> Johm
> www.digitalbirdcrap.com
>

Hi again John,

Like some of it's predecessors (Neurontin etc.) I've heard Lyrica tends to
have that effect for some. I believe the "street" name for Topomax is
"Stupimax" which leads you to wonder whether there is already a good
current market for these drugs for other than strictly medicinal use? Maybe
the Docs are working on relaxing after a hard day at the office :-)

Aside from the "trip" do you find it helps with your symptoms?
Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia

[Default] On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:07:07 +1100, " Craig"
<weavers@bigblue.net.au> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>
>"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1167732572.412323.208790@48g2000cwx.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> snip> but I had taken
>> a Lyrica about an hour earlier and had just gone off to lala land and
>> wasn't paying attention. If we'd had Lyrica during the 60's the drug
>> culture would have never got off the ground....lol. ("Hey man, wanna
>> hit off this joint?"......."No thanks, dude.... I just popped a
>> Lyrica.")
>>
>> I keep hearing about exercize.... kinda hard when you can't stand up
>> more than a few minutes at a time. Guess I could just flop around on
>> the floor for a while.
>>
>> Johm
>> www.digitalbirdcrap.com
>>
>
>Hi again John,
>
>Like some of it's predecessors (Neurontin etc.) I've heard Lyrica tends to
>have that effect for some. I believe the "street" name for Topomax is
>"Stupimax" which leads you to wonder whether there is already a good
>current market for these drugs for other than strictly medicinal use? Maybe
>the Docs are working on relaxing after a hard day at the office :-)
>
>Aside from the "trip" do you find it helps with your symptoms?
>Best Wishes,
>Craig, Type 2
>NSW, Australia
>


Topamax has no such effect. why are you repeating things you "hear"
without proof of their validity?

Topamax works great for relieving the pain of neuropathy without side
effects.

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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:29:04 -0700, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:57:09 -0800, yeah-sure wrote:
>
>> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
>> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
>> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
>> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
>> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
>> helps somebody.
>>
>> John
>
>FWIW - I've found that B12 with Folic Acid and Lipoic Acid seem to reduce
>any neuropathy in my feet that is otherwise there.

Folic acid.........isn't that for cardio? I fail to see the
connection with neuropathy.

Got lots of snow?

On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:27:13 -0800, yeah-sure wrote:

>
> ray wrote:
>> FWIW - I've found that B12 with Folic Acid and Lipoic Acid seem to reduce
>> any neuropathy in my feet that is otherwise there.
>
> I have it real bad - bottom of feet burn and hurt all the time and I
> can't stand or walk for very long (embarrising scooter in the
> supermarket..haha). I take Lyrica for that and Actos for the
> diabetes..... also, B1 and folic acid as per the doctor. I Keep hearing
> about the Alpha lipoic Acid and Evening Primrose Oil - so, I just went
> out and bought some. Maybe, when I wake up tomorrow, I'll be healed.
>
> John

I'm sure it won't work that fast, but you may see slight improvement in a
few days.

Hi John,

I had neuropathy very similar to what you describe, and the ALA was
quite helpful. I took 2 100 mg tabs 3 times a day, or at times 3 100
mg 2X/day. From the studies I have read, 3 months is a good length of
time to take it, though I saw effects quite a bit sooner, after maybe 2
weeks. One thing that can happen is that it might seem like things are
getting worse rather than better. What can happen is that nerves that
have gone to sleep start re-connecting in fits and starts at first, so
that suddenly you are getting those electric shocks and burning
sensations, perhaps more than usual. This is similar to what happens
when the nerves disconnect, it happens in herky-jerky slow motion. The
difference is that when the nerves are on their way out, the electric
shock is followed by numbness. When the ALA is helping repair, it is
followed by restored nerve function. Kind of the same stage, but
heading in opposite directions.

How are your blood sugar levels? If they are not in range, then the
ALA is fighing to cure something that high blood sugar levels are
causing all over again. That battle is better than just having the high
blood sugar, but the ALA can be a lot more effective if your blood
sugar is not fighting aginst it. For me, with blood sugars in the low
normal range, the ALA did its work and when I stopped taking it
symptoms did not recur. But I have talked with people whose blood sugar
was still on the high side, and when they stopped taking ALA, the
neuropathy would return. and then they'd start taking the ALA and it
would be effective again as long as they kept taking it. So it is not a
substitute for good blood sugar control, but rather a supplement to it.
Good blood sugar control can sometimes reverse neuropathy; ALA can help
reverse neuropathy; together gives you the best chance, though no
absolute guarantees, as damage can get to an irreversible point.

Let us know how it works out for you.

Morris

yeah-sure wrote:
> Craig wrote:
> ....snip snip... What worked for me, was the
> > Alpha Lipoic Acid, as Ray suggested. I started taking 1200mg a day for a few
> > weeks and increased exercise; the pain significantly decreased. That was
> > 200mg tablets totalling 1200mg over the course of each day.
> >
> > Mine were the standard common garden variety. The cheapest I found when I
> > was in the States was sold at Walmart, which is where I got mine. If I
> > recall correctly the brand was Rexall (?).
>
> I just looked... these are only 100 mg.... guess I'll have to take one
> every few minutes....haha. Also got these at Walmart - Spring Valley
> brand. I think there were other strengths on the shelf but I had taken
> a Lyrica about an hour earlier and had just gone off to lala land and
> wasn't paying attention. If we'd had Lyrica during the 60's the drug
> culture would have never got off the ground....lol. ("Hey man, wanna
> hit off this joint?"......."No thanks, dude.... I just popped a
> Lyrica.")
>
> I keep hearing about exercize.... kinda hard when you can't stand up
> more than a few minutes at a time. Guess I could just flop around on
> the floor for a while.
>
> Johm
> www.digitalbirdcrap.com

<Snip>I believe the "street" name for Topomax is
>>"Stupimax" which leads you to wonder whether there is already a good
>>current market for these drugs for other than strictly medicinal use?
>>Maybe
>>the Docs are working on relaxing after a hard day at the office :-)
>>
>>Aside from the "trip" do you find it helps with your symptoms?
>>Best Wishes,
>>Craig, Type 2
>>NSW, Australia
>>
Mack wrote:-
>
> Topamax has no such effect. why are you repeating things you "hear"
> without proof of their validity?
>
> Topamax works great for relieving the pain of neuropathy without side
> effects.
>
> --
> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
> Type 1 since 1975
><snip sig for brevity>

Hi Mack,
Sorry to upset you. I agree that Topomax and others are useful, like
anything else, for some (or most) people some of the time. It does not have
the effect I mentioned for everyone.

What I've written I write from first hand experience and the experience of
others which I would be happy to share with you off list if you want to
write ( my email is valid).

Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:02:16 +1100 in Msg.#
<459ac85b$0$2627$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, " Craig"
<weavers@bigblue.net.au> wrote:

> Sorry to upset you. I agree that Topomax and others are useful, like
> anything else, for some (or most) people some of the time. It does not have
> the effect I mentioned for everyone.
>
> What I've written I write from first hand experience and the experience of
> others which I would be happy to share with you off list if you want to
> write ( my email is valid).

Why not just describe your own firsthand experience with Lyrica right here
so everyone can see it?

I'm taking Lyrica & I don't have any problems taking it and it helps. Is it
a magic bullet? Nope, it's not. But, I don't have any extreme side effects
from it. I was slightly sleepy initially & again, initially, at every point
where we increased the dosage but once my body adjusted to it there was no
sleepiness or even drowsiness. You'd probably find that as a side effect of
many medications on the market today.

--
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Messenger: shallotpeel

Hi_Therre wrote:
> Folic acid.........isn't that for cardio? I fail to see the
> connection with neuropathy.
>
> Got lots of snow?

As to Folic Acid.... now that you mention it, I don't know if the
doctor prescribed (recommended) it for the diebetes, heart health,
neuropathy or just to appear helpful. He just wrote it down on a
prescription pad and I bought it. He says, "Here John, take this." I,
trustfully, reply, "Whatever,"

Snow?.... Hey, this is Florida. It's 80 degrees here.

John

In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 02 Jan 2007 07:23:34 GMT in Msg.#
<WLnmh.1990$Ap5.497@trnddc04>, "Nancy F" <nfarrell22@verizon.net> wrote:

> I can't stand the touch of the covers even with wearing socks. So... I
> bought a big laundry basket for $5 and cut out one of the long sides. Turned
> it upside down and slid it under the blankets. Wonderful! And the
> satisfaction of finding a good bargain too! Much better than those metal
> hoop contraptions that sell for $50 and up.
> Nancy F, SoCal
> Christ, Chorus, Cats, Computers

I have a soft, clean, unwrinkled bottom sheet that fits. Similar top sheet
but very oversized. I put a bed pillow at the foot of the bed under the
covers - as if it were for someone sleeping at the foot of the bed but
centered rather than one on each side of the bed. It keeps the top sheet off
of my feet. Voila.

I got the idea awhile back from your trick, Nancy F. Thanks!

I also take Lyrica 300 mg per day, EPO and ALA, plus try to take very good
care of my feet & keep my BG in control.

Still, at times, ...

--
Still catching up from the holidays, ... DonnaB : ^> <*>
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

morris wrote:
>........ getting those electric shocks and burning
> sensations.........

I hear reference to "electric" shocks, or similar, sensations. I've
never experienced anything like that - just the burning on the bottom
of the feet and the sensation of walking on cobble stones with swollen
feet.... but occasionlly, actual swelling of feet and ankles. I have
sensitivity to bedclothes but not much loss of sensation.... feels like
the skin is thick and dry and crinkly but it's not. Painful to walk or
stand for very long. Most of the time feet appear perfectly normal but
feel very swollen. Wierd.

> How are your blood sugar levels?

Bg ranges from around 75-97 between meals - Fgb from 100 to 120 - 1 hr
after meals around 140 - 2 hrs after meals around 120. I don't eat
breakfast.

Johm
www.askunclejohn.com

Craig wrote:
>......... I agree that Topomax and others are useful, like
> anything else, for some (or most) people some of the time. It does not have
> the effect I mentioned for everyone.

I haven't heard of Topomax before. I'll ask my doctor about it -
perhaps it's an option. I take 300mg of Lyrica once a day, usually
about 5 hours after I get up - that's when the pain and burning start
getting out of hand. I would take it as soon as I get up but I need
that 4 or 5 hours of clear headedness at work before the Lyrica blows
me away. I can still function, think, drive with the lyrica but I'm
addle brained and forgetful on it..... do that staring off into space
thing...haha.

As to how the lyrica works.... great, but only during the "stoned"
phase. When that wears off (about 8 hours) the pain and burning come
back.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a little old man on a scooter writhing in
pain. I've had it for 2 years, hurts like the devil, severely limits my
mobility and is depressing as hell but, except for the scooter in the
supermarket, in everyday life, I just chug along grinning and baring it
and most people don't even know I have it. This is the only place I
bitch and moan about it. I just dread the day something happens at work
where I have to walk more than 2 hundred feet. My secret will be
out....haha.


John
www.johnniemccoy.com

[Default] On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:02:16 +1100, " Craig"
<weavers@bigblue.net.au> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>
><Snip>I believe the "street" name for Topomax is
>>>"Stupimax" which leads you to wonder whether there is already a good
>>>current market for these drugs for other than strictly medicinal use?
>>>Maybe
>>>the Docs are working on relaxing after a hard day at the office :-)
>>>
>>>Aside from the "trip" do you find it helps with your symptoms?
>>>Best Wishes,
>>>Craig, Type 2
>>>NSW, Australia
>>>
>Mack wrote:-
>>
>> Topamax has no such effect. why are you repeating things you "hear"
>> without proof of their validity?
>>
>> Topamax works great for relieving the pain of neuropathy without side
>> effects.
>>
>> --
>> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
>> Type 1 since 1975
>><snip sig for brevity>
>
>Hi Mack,
>Sorry to upset you. I agree that Topomax and others are useful, like
>anything else, for some (or most) people some of the time. It does not have
>the effect I mentioned for everyone.
>
>What I've written I write from first hand experience and the experience of
>others which I would be happy to share with you off list if you want to
>write ( my email is valid).
>
>Best Wishes,
>Craig, Type 2
>NSW, Australia
>


My experience with topamax and other neuropathy drugs are first hand.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

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[Default] On 2 Jan 2007 14:50:13 -0800, "yeah-sure"
<yeah-sure@nycmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

> Craig wrote:
>>......... I agree that Topomax and others are useful, like
>> anything else, for some (or most) people some of the time. It does not have
>> the effect I mentioned for everyone.
>
>I haven't heard of Topomax before. I'll ask my doctor about it -
>perhaps it's an option. I take 300mg of Lyrica once a day, usually
>about 5 hours after I get up - that's when the pain and burning start
>getting out of hand. I would take it as soon as I get up but I need
>that 4 or 5 hours of clear headedness at work before the Lyrica blows
>me away. I can still function, think, drive with the lyrica but I'm
>addle brained and forgetful on it..... do that staring off into space
>thing...haha.
>

it's spelled topamax. it's an anti convulsant used in the prevention
of seizures. To use it you'll have to talk with an endo or a
neurologist. It is prescribed for the treatment of the pain of
neuropathy.

I've found that using 2000 mg of evening primrose oil as well as the
prescribed amount of Topamax works best for me.

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"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
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> By lots of socks. Sheets, bedcovers, touching your feet, can be very
> irritating. Wear socks to bed to desensitize your feet, more or less.
> Works for me. I never thought about sharing this little tidbit till
> last night when I tried, for the first time in a long time, going to
> bed without socks. I was, quickly, reminded why I wear them. Hope this
> helps somebody.

Yep. My former Endo. told me all diabetics should wear socks to bed,
neuropathy or not. And if you do have it, at some stage you'll have the ice
cube feet. They'll be so cold you'll want the socks! I wear really thick,
oversized socks to bed.

"DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> Why not just describe your own firsthand experience with Lyrica right here
> so everyone can see it?
>
> I'm taking Lyrica & I don't have any problems taking it and it helps. Is
> it
> a magic bullet? Nope, it's not. But, I don't have any extreme side effects
> from it. I was slightly sleepy initially & again, initially, at every
> point
> where we increased the dosage but once my body adjusted to it there was no
> sleepiness or even drowsiness. You'd probably find that as a side effect
> of
> many medications on the market today.
>
> --
> Still catching up from the holidays, ... DonnaB : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo
> Messenger: shallotpeel

Hi Donna, I'm pleased to hear that you are getting some help from the
Lyrica. If you ever find that elusive magic bullet, please let us all
know;-).

Sometimes over the course of our journey here on this earth, we learn and
experience things differently from others - which I guess is part of the
reason for this forum:-). I have personal reasons for not sharing on list my
experience with these drugs (at least for the time being). At the end of the
day ,no one person is always right, (this includes me:-) and sometimes it
can be a prudent thing to let a potential debate slip by in the interests of
the group, and remaining objective. I don't for now, feel the need to get
into a debate(by relating personal experiences on this issue), and
certainly respect the opinion of other long timers here like Mack. Although
we may not always agree on every point,regulars like Mack are what keeps the
group functioning.

Hope you catch up from those holidays soon and have a great 2007.
Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia

"yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> wrote in message
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><snip> Don't get me wrong. I'm not a little old man on a scooter writhing
>in
> pain. I've had it for 2 years, hurts like the devil, severely limits my
> mobility and is depressing as hell but, except for the scooter in the
> supermarket, in everyday life, I just chug along grinning and baring it
> and most people don't even know I have it. This is the only place I
> bitch and moan about it. I just dread the day something happens at work
> where I have to walk more than 2 hundred feet. My secret will be
> out....haha.
>
>
> John
> www.johnniemccoy.com

Hey John, That's why we're here! So we can have a place to bitch and moan to
people who understand :-). It's interesting that you say the day something
happens at work your secret will be out. Until getting my sugar under
control I couldn't see 3 feet in front of me.Muddled through pretty well
though. Don't think anyone caught on...had trouble recognizing faces from
more than about 10 feet . Much better these days.
Here's wishing you success at dealing with your pain.
Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia
>

"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
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<big snip>
> My experience with topamax and other neuropathy drugs are first hand.
>
> --
> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
> Type 1 since 1975
> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
> http://www.diabetic-talk.org
> http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
> http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
>
>
>
><snip some sig>

Hi Mack, I hear you, and empathize with you. I wish for all here that none
were in a position to need to experience any of these drugs first hand.
Best Wishes,
Craig, Type 2
NSW, Australia

In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:53:40 +1100 in Msg.#
<459b8b40$0$2629$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, " Craig"
<weavers@bigblue.net.au> wrote:

> "DonnaB shallotpeel" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:7lilp2d4aooga6ci3eoocic0jbu3q75gl0@4ax.com...
> > >
> > Why not just describe your own firsthand experience with Lyrica right here
> > so everyone can see it?
> >
> > I'm taking Lyrica & I don't have any problems taking it and it helps. Is
> > it
> > a magic bullet? Nope, it's not. ...
>
> Hi Donna, I'm pleased to hear that you are getting some help from the
> Lyrica. If you ever find that elusive magic bullet, please let us all
> know;-).

Ah!! If only ... <G>

> Sometimes over the course of our journey here on this earth, we learn and
> experience things differently from others - which I guess is part of the
> reason for this forum:-). I have personal reasons for not sharing on list my
> experience with these drugs (at least for the time being). ...

Understood & respected. My email works, too, not that that is needful here.
Just sayin'.

> Hope you catch up from those holidays soon and have a great 2007.

I have decided that 2007 WILL be better than 2006. <G>

Had a resident of Canberra (did I spell that right?) as an overnight guest
last night. Delightful & he's having tons of fun learning Americanism
close-up.

--
Still catching up from the holidays, ... DonnaB : ^> <*>
06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg.
09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0

At the time I was diagnosed, I had developed neuropathy in my big toe. It
went away in the three years since. I was wondering if the effects are
reversible to a degree, providing it is not too advanced.
kaci

" Craig" <weavers@bigblue.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message
> news:eqjmp254cftrb4fs6qu26a03p788eumitu@4ax.com...
> <big snip>
>> My experience with topamax and other neuropathy drugs are first hand.
>>
>> --
>> Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper
>> Type 1 since 1975
>> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
>> http://www.diabetic-talk.org
>> http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
>> http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"
>>
>>
>>
>><snip some sig>
>
> Hi Mack, I hear you, and empathize with you. I wish for all here that none
> were in a position to need to experience any of these drugs first hand.
> Best Wishes,
> Craig, Type 2
> NSW, Australia
>

[Default] On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:55:12 GMT, "kaci"
<cityinvestor@sbcglobal.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet:

>At the time I was diagnosed, I had developed neuropathy in my big toe. It
>went away in the three years since. I was wondering if the effects are
>reversible to a degree, providing it is not too advanced.
>kaci
>

with good BG control, yes they are reversible to a degree. That
degree will be unique to each individual.

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