New A1c

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 1:53 PM, Kurt wrote:
> On May 17, 9:30 am, Peppermint Patootie
> <peppermint_patoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article<93ed3jFkv...@mid.individual.net>,
>> Tiger Lily<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Kurt"<kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
>>
>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
>>>> ========
>>
>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
>>
>>>> Cheri
>>
>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
>>
>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
>>
>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
>>> sigh
>>
>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
>
> Well, at least you spared me your usual newsgroup armchair
> psychological detailed analysis. From one jerk to another, Prissy,
> thanks at least for that.
>
> Kurt

Kurt

Your replies are snarky, mean, of ill intent, ASS YOU ME we all are fat
pigs and worse

i once asked you what where you taking.......... i asked that because
you were almost reasonable (other than not remembering if you are type 1
or type 2) at one point in time

it would be nice to hear a SANE, HELPFUL voice on the newsgroups

there might actually be someone trying to learn!

kate

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 7:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "W. Baker"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iqv4je$nbt$[email protected]..
>> impaul<reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote:
>> : On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> :> In article<[email protected]>,
>> :> "Janet"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> :>
>> :>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> :>>
>> :>> <snip>
>> :>>
>> :>> > The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I
>> can't
>> :>> > have any liquids prior.
>> :>>
>> :>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>> test.
>> :>
>> :> I was instructed by a phlebotomist about drinking water before a draw
>> so
>> :> the blood could be taken more easily.
>> :>
>> :> Fasting does not mean not drinking water.
>> :>
>> :> PP
>>
>> : TRUE fasting does not include water. Drinking water while "fasting" is
>> : evading the issue. The protestors who "fast" isn't really fasting as
>> : they still want to survive/live. It used to be abstain from all food ;
>> : then abstain from certain kinds of food; then abstain from food or
>> : certain kinds of food for a time period.
>>
>> : Water is a food& nutrient.
>>
>> : The meaning of "fasting" has been changed to accept water as not
>> : part of the fasting process as it only means "solids" or mushy stuff
>> : now. OJ& meds won't get me past the lab techs/clerks as I've found
>> : out; water is OK probably because it is considered "neutral"& a
>> : neccessity? One can live without "food" longer than without water.
>>
>> Water conatins no nutrients. It hydrates, but does not nourish. One can
>> live without food for quite a while if one has water. It cotains no
>> energy(calories, etc. It is not a food, but it is a life necessity.
>
> But it can lower BG. I don't know if it would or not. For this reason I
> was told I could not have any when I had my OGTT and could not have any
> prior to either. Since then I have been told that clear beverages are fine
> but not within 2 hours prior to an Endoscopy. For a colonoscopy (unless
> they have changed things) you can not have anything for many hours prior.
>
>
got you

you are no longer talking about 'lab blood draws' but other medical
procedures

it makes sense now

[Julie Bove]

"Ellen K." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%5JAp.8216$[email protected]..
>
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iqv837$42d$[email protected]..
>>
>> "Ellen K." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:BcDAp.4430$[email protected]..
>>>
>>> "Janet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I can't
>>>>> have any liquids prior.
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>>>> test.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Me either, the instructions always say "only water".
>>
>> Have you had an endoscopy or colonoscopy?
>>>
>>
> No, but those aren't blood tests, which is what we were talking about.

You were talking about finding a vein which is exactly what I was talking
about.

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 2:29 PM, impaul wrote:
> On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Tiger Lily<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Kurt"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
>>>>
>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
>>>> ========
>>>>
>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
>>>
>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
>>>
>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
>>> sigh
>>
>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
>>
>> PP
>
> He's doing the same type of thing as Susan has been doing touting
> low-carbs& more fat for everyone. He just doesn't try to hide what
> he posted with the x-archive header even if I don't think google
> still "honors" that.

so, why attack me????

show me ONE post where i have indicated 'low carbs is the only way to go'

matter of fact, one thread was 'how many carbs do you eat' or 'what do
you consider low carb???

guess what? Kurt never bothered to answer directly, just that he at
between xxx and yyy, which is the same low carb level Susan talks about

i personally don't care how many carbs a person eats, as long as they
maintain a good body weight/tone

but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
sigh

kate

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 5/17/2011 7:42 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "W. Baker"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:iqv4je$nbt$[email protected]..
>>> impaul<reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote:
>>> : On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> :> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> :> "Janet"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> :>
>>> :>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> :>>
>>> :>> <snip>
>>> :>>
>>> :>> > The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I
>>> can't
>>> :>> > have any liquids prior.
>>> :>>
>>> :>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>>> test.
>>> :>
>>> :> I was instructed by a phlebotomist about drinking water before a
>>> draw
>>> so
>>> :> the blood could be taken more easily.
>>> :>
>>> :> Fasting does not mean not drinking water.
>>> :>
>>> :> PP
>>>
>>> : TRUE fasting does not include water. Drinking water while "fasting"
>>> is
>>> : evading the issue. The protestors who "fast" isn't really fasting as
>>> : they still want to survive/live. It used to be abstain from all food ;
>>> : then abstain from certain kinds of food; then abstain from food or
>>> : certain kinds of food for a time period.
>>>
>>> : Water is a food& nutrient.
>>>
>>> : The meaning of "fasting" has been changed to accept water as not
>>> : part of the fasting process as it only means "solids" or mushy stuff
>>> : now. OJ& meds won't get me past the lab techs/clerks as I've found
>>> : out; water is OK probably because it is considered "neutral"& a
>>> : neccessity? One can live without "food" longer than without water.
>>>
>>> Water conatins no nutrients. It hydrates, but does not nourish. One
>>> can
>>> live without food for quite a while if one has water. It cotains no
>>> energy(calories, etc. It is not a food, but it is a life necessity.
>>
>> But it can lower BG. I don't know if it would or not. For this reason I
>> was told I could not have any when I had my OGTT and could not have any
>> prior to either. Since then I have been told that clear beverages are
>> fine
>> but not within 2 hours prior to an Endoscopy. For a colonoscopy (unless
>> they have changed things) you can not have anything for many hours prior.
>>
>>
> got you
>
> you are no longer talking about 'lab blood draws' but other medical
> procedures
>
> it makes sense now

I assumed we were talking about being able to find a vein.

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 8:01 PM, impaul wrote:
> On 2011-05-17, Julie Bove<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Alice Faber wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> "Janet"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I can't
>>>>> have any liquids prior.
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>>>> test.
>>>
>>> I have had the techs tell me that I should drink two glasses of water
>>> before coming in. I have also had contradictory advice about black
>>> coffee, so I normally skip that.
>>
>> But if you have certain other medical procedures, they don't want much water
>> in your system and they still have to get the catheter in you.
>>
>>
> I've had a catheter on my thigh when the angiogram was done; didn't
> get any instructions about not drinking or eating prior to the
> procedure; only got instructions to leave valuables at home.
>
> Looks like this is another case of generalization doesn't work.

LOL

we were talking about blood draws.............. i kinda got confused
there too



kate

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 3:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Tiger Lily wrote:

>> That's very odd Julie, as all my blood draws are fasting, and i'm
>> encouraged to drink plenty of water prior to going in
>>
>> no food, no beverages, just water and any meds i take
>
> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your arm. And
> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within two hours
> of that.

yes, this wasn't mentioned before

having had.......... let me count 14 surgical procedures done in my
life, they don't want you having more than a mini ice chip before an
anaesthetic

very different from the comment i replied too

and i've seen that a few times and replied

ty for the further information

kate

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your arm.
>>> And
>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within two
>>> hours
>>> of that.
>>
>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is necessary? What
>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>
>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not similar.
>
> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And the bag of
> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>
>O


I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the I.V.
and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip" that
they put on the Johnny pole

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your arm.
>>>> And
>>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within two
>>>> hours
>>>> of that.
>>>
>>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is necessary?
>>> What
>>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>>
>>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not similar.
>>
>> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And the bag
>> of
>> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>>
>>O
>
>
> I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the I.V.
> and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip" that they
> put on the Johnny pole

But I could swear I've heard two Drs. say that the thing they put in your
arm is called a catheter.

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/18/2011 12:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Tiger Lily"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>>>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your arm.
>>>>> And
>>>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within two
>>>>> hours
>>>>> of that.
>>>>
>>>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is necessary?
>>>> What
>>>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>>>
>>>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not similar.
>>>
>>> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And the bag
>>> of
>>> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>>>
>>> O
>>
>>
>> I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the I.V.
>> and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip" that they
>> put on the Johnny pole
>
> But I could swear I've heard two Drs. say that the thing they put in your
> arm is called a catheter.
>
>
i dunno what you have had

i've had METAL needles, Plastic tubes and such places in my thumb as
that was the only place they could find (try eating a meal with an inch
long metal needle in your thumb heading to your wrist)

i'm glad they were able to help you!

kate

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 5/18/2011 12:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Tiger Lily"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>>>>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your
>>>>>> arm.
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within two
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>> of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is necessary?
>>>>> What
>>>>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not similar.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And the
>>>> bag
>>>> of
>>>> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> O
>>>
>>>
>>> I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the I.V.
>>> and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip" that
>>> they
>>> put on the Johnny pole
>>
>> But I could swear I've heard two Drs. say that the thing they put in your
>> arm is called a catheter.
>>
>>
> i dunno what you have had
>
> i've had METAL needles, Plastic tubes and such places in my thumb as that
> was the only place they could find (try eating a meal with an inch long
> metal needle in your thumb heading to your wrist)
>
> i'm glad they were able to help you!

They've had to do the back of my hand a couple of times.

[Ozgirl]

"Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 5/17/2011 2:29 PM, impaul wrote:
>> On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Tiger Lily<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "Kurt"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
>>>>>
>>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
>>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
>>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
>>>>> ========
>>>>>
>>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
>>>>
>>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
>>>>
>>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
>>>> sigh
>>>
>>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
>>>
>>> PP
>>
>> He's doing the same type of thing as Susan has been doing touting
>> low-carbs& more fat for everyone. He just doesn't try to hide what
>> he posted with the x-archive header even if I don't think google
>> still "honors" that.
>
> so, why attack me????
>
> show me ONE post where i have indicated 'low carbs is the only way to
> go'
>
> matter of fact, one thread was 'how many carbs do you eat' or 'what do
> you consider low carb???
>
> guess what? Kurt never bothered to answer directly, just that he at
> between xxx and yyy, which is the same low carb level Susan talks
> about
>
> i personally don't care how many carbs a person eats, as long as they
> maintain a good body weight/tone
>
> but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
> sigh

Wow, I remember when we were 40 somethings

[Ozgirl]

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iqvqth$qm2$[email protected]..
>
> "Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On 5/18/2011 12:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Tiger Lily"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>>>>>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in
>>>>>>> your arm.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within
>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>> of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is
>>>>>> necessary?
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not
>>>>>> similar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And
>>>>> the bag
>>>>> of
>>>>> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> O
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the
>>>> I.V.
>>>> and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip"
>>>> that they
>>>> put on the Johnny pole
>>>
>>> But I could swear I've heard two Drs. say that the thing they put in
>>> your
>>> arm is called a catheter.
>>>
>>>
>> i dunno what you have had
>>
>> i've had METAL needles, Plastic tubes and such places in my thumb as
>> that was the only place they could find (try eating a meal with an
>> inch long metal needle in your thumb heading to your wrist)
>>
>> i'm glad they were able to help you!
>
> They've had to do the back of my hand a couple of times.

I've had all my cannulas in the back of the hand but poor Jazzy had them
all over the place. After 6 weeks in ICU (with cannula area changes
every couple of days) they once put one in her scalp. Its the only time
I left the room for a procedure.

[Julie Bove]

"Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
>
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iqvqth$qm2$[email protected]..
>>
>> "Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> On 5/18/2011 12:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Tiger Lily"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>>> On 5/17/2011 7:44 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> "BessieBee"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:tWEAp.8277$[email protected]..
>>>>>>> On 5/17/2011 4:13 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm talking about things where they need to put a catheter in your
>>>>>>>> arm.
>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>> it is difficult when you've been told to drink no liquids within
>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>> of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the "things" for which a catheter in your arm is necessary?
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> exactly is an "arm catheter"? Do you mean an IV?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had catheters several times and many IVs. They're not similar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the thing they stuck in your arm was the catheter? And the
>>>>>> bag
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> whatever was the I.V.? But I could be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> O
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I.V. = Intra-Vienous.......... the thing they poke into you is the
>>>>> I.V.
>>>>> and it's a plastic tube thingy that attaches to the I.V. "drip" that
>>>>> they
>>>>> put on the Johnny pole
>>>>
>>>> But I could swear I've heard two Drs. say that the thing they put in
>>>> your
>>>> arm is called a catheter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> i dunno what you have had
>>>
>>> i've had METAL needles, Plastic tubes and such places in my thumb as
>>> that was the only place they could find (try eating a meal with an inch
>>> long metal needle in your thumb heading to your wrist)
>>>
>>> i'm glad they were able to help you!
>>
>> They've had to do the back of my hand a couple of times.
>
> I've had all my cannulas in the back of the hand but poor Jazzy had them
> all over the place. After 6 weeks in ICU (with cannula area changes every
> couple of days) they once put one in her scalp. Its the only time I left
> the room for a procedure.

Yikes!

[W. Baker]

Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:

: "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > test.
: > : >
: > : > I was instructed by a phlebotomist about drinking water before a draw
: > so
: > : > the blood could be taken more easily.
: > : >
: > : > Fasting does not mean not drinking water.
: > : >
: > : > PP
: >
: > : TRUE fasting does not include water. Drinking water while "fasting" is
: > : evading the issue. The protestors who "fast" isn't really fasting as
: > : they still want to survive/live. It used to be abstain from all food ;
: > : then abstain from certain kinds of food; then abstain from food or
: > : certain kinds of food for a time period.
: >
: > : Water is a food & nutrient.
: >
: > : The meaning of "fasting" has been changed to accept water as not
: > : part of the fasting process as it only means "solids" or mushy stuff
: > : now. OJ & meds won't get me past the lab techs/clerks as I've found
: > : out; water is OK probably because it is considered "neutral" & a
: > : neccessity? One can live without "food" longer than without water.
: >
: > Water conatins no nutrients. It hydrates, but does not nourish. One can
: > live without food for quite a while if one has water. It cotains no
: > energy(calories, etc. It is not a food, but it is a life necessity.

: But it can lower BG. I don't know if it would or not. For this reason I
: was told I could not have any when I had my OGTT and could not have any
: prior to either. Since then I have been told that clear beverages are fine
: but not within 2 hours prior to an Endoscopy. For a colonoscopy (unless
: they have changed things) you can not have anything for many hours prior.

Yes. and it's bsence can raise blood sugar, so which is the "correct"
number for a regular A1c or blood draw(as opposed to an OGTT, which is
designed to maximize blood sugar, but concentraing sugar in teh blood.
This has noting to do with whether it is a ntriet or a food, bt it has to
do with the % of water in the blood or the body.

Wendy

[W. Baker]

Ozgirl <[email protected]> wrote:


: "Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: news:[email protected]..
: > On 5/17/2011 2:29 PM, impaul wrote:
: >> On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<[email protected]>
: >> wrote:
: >>> In article<[email protected]>,
: >>> Tiger Lily<[email protected]> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
: >>>>> "Kurt"<[email protected]> wrote in message
: >>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
: >>>>>
: >>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
: >>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
: >>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
: >>>>> ========
: >>>>>
: >>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Cheri
: >>>>
: >>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
: >>>>
: >>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
: >>>>
: >>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
: >>>> sigh
: >>>
: >>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
: >>>
: >>> PP
: >>
: >> He's doing the same type of thing as Susan has been doing touting
: >> low-carbs& more fat for everyone. He just doesn't try to hide what
: >> he posted with the x-archive header even if I don't think google
: >> still "honors" that.
: >
: > so, why attack me????
: >
: > show me ONE post where i have indicated 'low carbs is the only way to
: > go'
: >
: > matter of fact, one thread was 'how many carbs do you eat' or 'what do
: > you consider low carb???
: >
: > guess what? Kurt never bothered to answer directly, just that he at
: > between xxx and yyy, which is the same low carb level Susan talks
: > about
: >
: > i personally don't care how many carbs a person eats, as long as they
: > maintain a good body weight/tone
: >
: > but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
: > sigh

: Wow, I remember when we were 40 somethings
:

"Darling, we are growing older.
Silver threads among the gold" :-)

Wendy

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

On 5/18/2011 1:53 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:

> it makes sense now

How does it make sense, exactly, in a discussion about fasting lab tests
and catheters?

Susan

[Susan]

x-no-archive: yes

On 5/18/2011 9:25 AM, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 5/18/2011 1:53 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:
>
>> it makes sense now
>
> How does it make sense, exactly, in a discussion about fasting lab tests
> and catheters?
>

Okay, so we were talking about fasting tests at all, but actual
procedures.

Susan

[Julie Bove]

"W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ir0emj$937$[email protected]..
> Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : > test.
> : > : >
> : > : > I was instructed by a phlebotomist about drinking water before a
> draw
> : > so
> : > : > the blood could be taken more easily.
> : > : >
> : > : > Fasting does not mean not drinking water.
> : > : >
> : > : > PP
> : >
> : > : TRUE fasting does not include water. Drinking water while "fasting"
> is
> : > : evading the issue. The protestors who "fast" isn't really fasting
> as
> : > : they still want to survive/live. It used to be abstain from all
> food ;
> : > : then abstain from certain kinds of food; then abstain from food or
> : > : certain kinds of food for a time period.
> : >
> : > : Water is a food & nutrient.
> : >
> : > : The meaning of "fasting" has been changed to accept water as not
> : > : part of the fasting process as it only means "solids" or mushy stuff
> : > : now. OJ & meds won't get me past the lab techs/clerks as I've found
> : > : out; water is OK probably because it is considered "neutral" & a
> : > : neccessity? One can live without "food" longer than without water.
> : >
> : > Water conatins no nutrients. It hydrates, but does not nourish. One
> can
> : > live without food for quite a while if one has water. It cotains no
> : > energy(calories, etc. It is not a food, but it is a life necessity.
>
> : But it can lower BG. I don't know if it would or not. For this reason
> I
> : was told I could not have any when I had my OGTT and could not have any
> : prior to either. Since then I have been told that clear beverages are
> fine
> : but not within 2 hours prior to an Endoscopy. For a colonoscopy (unless
> : they have changed things) you can not have anything for many hours
> prior.
>
> Yes. and it's bsence can raise blood sugar, so which is the "correct"
> number for a regular A1c or blood draw(as opposed to an OGTT, which is
> designed to maximize blood sugar, but concentraing sugar in teh blood.
> This has noting to do with whether it is a ntriet or a food, bt it has to
> do with the % of water in the blood or the body.

But that is also a fasting test which requires venous blood draws.

[Julie Bove]

"Susan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 5/18/2011 1:53 AM, Tiger Lily wrote:
>
>> it makes sense now
>
> How does it make sense, exactly, in a discussion about fasting lab tests
> and catheters?

You were talking about getting a needle into a vein. Same thing.

[Cheri]

"Ozgirl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
>
> "Tiger Lily" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
>> sigh
>
> Wow, I remember when we were 40 somethings

Be glad you're able to remember. ;-)

Cheri

[impaul]

On 2011-05-18, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "impaul" <reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote in message
> news:iqv92q$3hd$[email protected]..
>> On 2011-05-17, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> impaul wrote:
>>>> On 2011-05-17, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I can't
>>>>>> have any liquids prior.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>>>>> test.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I was told that my medications & water were OK as part ot the "fast".
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps it was a typo of liquid instead of "liquor"? :-)
>>>
>>> I've been told not to take my meds before a fasting test. Could only
>>> take
>>> certain meds prior to an Endoscopy and only enough water to get them
>>> down.
>>>
>>>
>> The only med I need to avoid when having a surgecal procedure was
>> asperin. I've asked & several doctors said that it was OK; however
>> I think the lab clerks don't seem to approve of that so I don't say
>> anything.
>
> Really? They told you to take diabetes meds on an empty stomach? I've been
> told not to.
>
>
I still don't have to take meds for diabetes. My meds are atenolol
the heart, amlodipine for blood pressure, lisinopril/hctz for BP,
lovastatin for LDL, asperin for platelets (bp?) & nitorglycerin for
the heart (only when needed).

[Julie Bove]

"impaul" <reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote in message
news:ir0thl$q6l$[email protected]..
> On 2011-05-18, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "impaul" <reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:iqv92q$3hd$[email protected]..
>>> On 2011-05-17, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> impaul wrote:
>>>>> On 2011-05-17, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I can't
>>>>>>> have any liquids prior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a fasting
>>>>>> test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that my medications & water were OK as part ot the "fast".
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it was a typo of liquid instead of "liquor"? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I've been told not to take my meds before a fasting test. Could only
>>>> take
>>>> certain meds prior to an Endoscopy and only enough water to get them
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The only med I need to avoid when having a surgecal procedure was
>>> asperin. I've asked & several doctors said that it was OK; however
>>> I think the lab clerks don't seem to approve of that so I don't say
>>> anything.
>>
>> Really? They told you to take diabetes meds on an empty stomach? I've
>> been
>> told not to.
>>
>>
> I still don't have to take meds for diabetes. My meds are atenolol
> the heart, amlodipine for blood pressure, lisinopril/hctz for BP,
> lovastatin for LDL, asperin for platelets (bp?) & nitorglycerin for
> the heart (only when needed).

I see. Well you shouldn't take diabetes meds without eating.

[Ricavito]

On May 16, 7:00*pm, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
>
> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
> Even low carb veins. ;-)
> ========
>
> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
>
> Cheri


LOL, she said bacon, yum.

Exercise does pump up my itsy bitsy veins quite a bit, but the effect
is so temporary. Good point though to wait for later in the day/
evening for a blood draw when possible.

[Ricavito]

On May 16, 9:47*pm, Tiger Lily <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 4:42 PM, Kurt wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 10:21 pm, Tiger Lily<m...@privacy.net> *wrote:
> >> On 5/15/2011 12:57 PM, Ricavito wrote:
>
> >>> I have small veins, and I usually ask them to use a child's needle,
> >>> which helps. *They still have to stick me a few times to find a vein
> >>> that won't collapse, but at least the injury sites are a bit smaller.
> >>> Drinking water beforehand helps too. *I've always worried that having
> >>> small veins means having small arteries, not a pleasant thought.
>
> >> dang............ never thought of that
>
> >> i call my vien's "Fido"
>
> >> cause they roll over, then play dead (collapse)
>
> >> the phlebotomists that know me use a butterfly
>
> >> the ones that "know better" collapse the vein, move to the other arm and
> >> use a butterfly
>
> >> now, i'm getting more that just call a Sr phlebotomist to come take the draw
>
> >> i HAVE to have at least 24 oz of water before a fasting blood draw, or
> >> it just isn't going to happen
>
> >> kate
>
> > It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
> > benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
> > Even low carb veins. ;-)
>
> > Kurt
> > "Move more, eat less"
>
> '
> very interesting Kurt
>
> i walk 5 miles a day
> i bike ride (in good weather) for 45 kilometers a day
>
> in a SMOG FREE enviroment
>
> oh what SHOULD i be doing??
> kate 5'6" 145 lbs and post menopausal and still alive............... oh
> wait,. i have 2 brothers and we compare the mileage on our bike
> odometers every Christmas............. they have both been written up in
> the Co newsletter as examples to follow............... guess who can't
> out distance me and i'm 8 years older than they are
>
> oh, sorry, you wanted to disparage me................. hard to do now
>
> k
>
> (is it only me who sees HATE and ANGER and DETEST and.,...............we
> won't go there, he goes over the top.............. i've tried to support
> him, but i can no longer support EVIL)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



You rock TigerLily! I wish I had siblings to be rivalous with :-P

[Ozgirl]

"impaul" <reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote in message
news:ir0thl$q6l$[email protected]..
> On 2011-05-18, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "impaul" <reader@fake_site.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:iqv92q$3hd$[email protected]..
>>> On 2011-05-17, Julie Bove <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> impaul wrote:
>>>>> On 2011-05-17, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The worst for me is when I have to do a fasting test because I
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> have any liquids prior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never heard of not being able to drink water before a
>>>>>> fasting
>>>>>> test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was told that my medications & water were OK as part ot the
>>>>> "fast".
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps it was a typo of liquid instead of "liquor"? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I've been told not to take my meds before a fasting test. Could
>>>> only
>>>> take
>>>> certain meds prior to an Endoscopy and only enough water to get
>>>> them
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The only med I need to avoid when having a surgecal procedure was
>>> asperin. I've asked & several doctors said that it was OK; however
>>> I think the lab clerks don't seem to approve of that so I don't say
>>> anything.
>>
>> Really? They told you to take diabetes meds on an empty stomach?
>> I've been
>> told not to.
>>
>>
> I still don't have to take meds for diabetes. My meds are atenolol
> the heart, amlodipine for blood pressure, lisinopril/hctz for BP,
> lovastatin for LDL, asperin for platelets (bp?) & nitorglycerin for
> the heart (only when needed).

In effect you are. Some of those meds are treating components of the
metabolic syndrome.

[Ozgirl]

"W. Baker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ir0f8d$937$2@reader1.panix.com...
> Ozgirl <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>
>
> : "Tiger Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> : news:93h5f1F1mrU1@mid.individual.net...
> : > On 5/17/2011 2:29 PM, impaul wrote:
> : >> On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com>
> : >> wrote:
> : >>> In article<93ed3jFkvqU2@mid.individual.net>,
> : >>> Tiger Lily<me@privacy.net> wrote:
> : >>>
> : >>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
> : >>>>> "Kurt"<kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : >>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of
> its
> : >>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more
> accessible.
> : >>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
> : >>>>> ========
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>> Cheri
> : >>>>
> : >>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
> : >>>>
> : >>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
> : >>>>
> : >>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
> : >>>> sigh
> : >>>
> : >>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
> : >>>
> : >>> PP
> : >>
> : >> He's doing the same type of thing as Susan has been doing touting
> : >> low-carbs& more fat for everyone. He just doesn't try to hide
> what
> : >> he posted with the x-archive header even if I don't think google
> : >> still "honors" that.
> : >
> : > so, why attack me????
> : >
> : > show me ONE post where i have indicated 'low carbs is the only way
> to
> : > go'
> : >
> : > matter of fact, one thread was 'how many carbs do you eat' or
> 'what do
> : > you consider low carb???
> : >
> : > guess what? Kurt never bothered to answer directly, just that he
> at
> : > between xxx and yyy, which is the same low carb level Susan talks
> : > about
> : >
> : > i personally don't care how many carbs a person eats, as long as
> they
> : > maintain a good body weight/tone
> : >
> : > but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
> : > sigh
>
> : Wow, I remember when we were 40 somethings
> :
>
> "Darling, we are growing older.
> Silver threads among the gold" :-)

I dispose of my "silver" threads if you get my drift

[Cheri]

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
news:93jc4cFl76U1@mid.individual.net...

> I dispose of my "silver" threads if you get my drift


Not me, I love mine.

Cheri

[W. Baker]

Ricavito <newsgroupreader@frontiernet.net> wrote:
: On May 16, 7:00?pm, "Cheri" <cher...@newsguy.com> wrote:
: > "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: > news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
: >
: > It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
: > benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
: > Even low carb veins. ;-)
: > ========
: >
: > But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
: >
: > Cheri


: LOL, she said bacon, yum.

: Exercise does pump up my itsy bitsy veins quite a bit, but the effect
: is so temporary. Good point though to wait for later in the day/
: evening for a blood draw when possible.
Generally, a blood draw for me covers, not only the A1C, which does not
require fasting, but lipid tests, etc that do, solater inthe day just
doesn't work well.

Wendy

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/18/2011 2:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I see. Well you shouldn't take diabetes meds without eating.

this may apply to many Type 2 meds that stimulate the pancreas to
produce more insulin

but, this is not the case with metformin, which acts by suppressing the
liver's production of glycogen

k

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/18/2011 8:23 PM, W. Baker wrote:
> : Exercise does pump up my itsy bitsy veins quite a bit, but the effect
> : is so temporary. Good point though to wait for later in the day/
> : evening for a blood draw when possible.
> Generally, a blood draw for me covers, not only the A1C, which does not
> require fasting, but lipid tests, etc that do, solater inthe day just
> doesn't work well.
>
> Wendy


there is a huge wait for lab draws in the mornings here

i have taken to a midnight meal and then going to the lab at noon the
next day

having said that, they now book appts, i have to decide what variation
of my routine will suit that



kate

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/18/2011 6:04 PM, Ricavito wrote:
> On May 16, 9:47 pm, Tiger Lily<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 5/16/2011 4:42 PM, Kurt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 15, 10:21 pm, Tiger Lily<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/15/2011 12:57 PM, Ricavito wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have small veins, and I usually ask them to use a child's needle,
>>>>> which helps. They still have to stick me a few times to find a vein
>>>>> that won't collapse, but at least the injury sites are a bit smaller.
>>>>> Drinking water beforehand helps too. I've always worried that having
>>>>> small veins means having small arteries, not a pleasant thought.
>>
>>>> dang............ never thought of that
>>
>>>> i call my vien's "Fido"
>>
>>>> cause they roll over, then play dead (collapse)
>>
>>>> the phlebotomists that know me use a butterfly
>>
>>>> the ones that "know better" collapse the vein, move to the other arm and
>>>> use a butterfly
>>
>>>> now, i'm getting more that just call a Sr phlebotomist to come take the draw
>>
>>>> i HAVE to have at least 24 oz of water before a fasting blood draw, or
>>>> it just isn't going to happen
>>
>>>> kate
>>
>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more accessible.
>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
>>
>>> Kurt
>>> "Move more, eat less"
>>
>> '
>> very interesting Kurt
>>
>> i walk 5 miles a day
>> i bike ride (in good weather) for 45 kilometers a day
>>
>> in a SMOG FREE enviroment
>>
>> oh what SHOULD i be doing??
>> kate 5'6" 145 lbs and post menopausal and still alive............... oh
>> wait,. i have 2 brothers and we compare the mileage on our bike
>> odometers every Christmas............. they have both been written up in
>> the Co newsletter as examples to follow............... guess who can't
>> out distance me and i'm 8 years older than they are
>>
>> oh, sorry, you wanted to disparage me................. hard to do now
>>
>> k
>>
>> (is it only me who sees HATE and ANGER and DETEST and.,...............we
>> won't go there, he goes over the top.............. i've tried to support
>> him, but i can no longer support EVIL)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> You rock TigerLily! I wish I had siblings to be rivalous with :-P

tee hee
it's a blast, and i love to show them up

i'm the tiniest thing in our family (Mom is 3 inches taller than me and
my brothers are in the 6'4" range)

and we ALL compete, nieces, nephews, sons, daughters, everyone loves the
game

but.......... my one brother has a tandem bike for him and his wife and
he uses those miles too....... should we make him deduct 20% of his
mileage? (he's a far faster rider than she is and is too impatient to
let her get up to his speed......... and she's an eensie lady that makes
me look big! LOL)

kate

[Tiger Lily]

On 5/18/2011 8:04 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>
>
> "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:ir0f8d$937$2@reader1.panix.com...
>> Ozgirl <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> : "Tiger Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> : news:93h5f1F1mrU1@mid.individual.net...
>> : > On 5/17/2011 2:29 PM, impaul wrote:
>> : >> On 2011-05-17, Peppermint Patootie<peppermint_patootie@yahoo.com>
>> : >> wrote:
>> : >>> In article<93ed3jFkvqU2@mid.individual.net>,
>> : >>> Tiger Lily<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> : >>>
>> : >>>> On 5/16/2011 8:00 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> : >>>>> "Kurt"<kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : >>>>> news:778db313-32e5-4b8e-aa95-
>> : >>>>>
>> : >>>>> It's amazing what exercise can do for your body. One more of its
>> : >>>>> benefits is pumping up your veins and making them more
>> accessible.
>> : >>>>> Even low carb veins. ;-)
>> : >>>>> ========
>> : >>>>>
>> : >>>>> But they don't get blood out of mine, just bacon grease. ;-)
>> : >>>>>
>> : >>>>> Cheri
>> : >>>>
>> : >>>> WTF does he get away calling me 'low carb veins'
>> : >>>>
>> : >>>> he cannot find a SINGLE COMMENT FROM ME SAYING THAT
>> : >>>>
>> : >>>> amazing what happens when you ASSuME!
>> : >>>> sigh
>> : >>>
>> : >>> He's a jerk, Kate. Why not just KF him and relax?
>> : >>>
>> : >>> PP
>> : >>
>> : >> He's doing the same type of thing as Susan has been doing touting
>> : >> low-carbs& more fat for everyone. He just doesn't try to hide what
>> : >> he posted with the x-archive header even if I don't think google
>> : >> still "honors" that.
>> : >
>> : > so, why attack me????
>> : >
>> : > show me ONE post where i have indicated 'low carbs is the only way to
>> : > go'
>> : >
>> : > matter of fact, one thread was 'how many carbs do you eat' or
>> 'what do
>> : > you consider low carb???
>> : >
>> : > guess what? Kurt never bothered to answer directly, just that he at
>> : > between xxx and yyy, which is the same low carb level Susan talks
>> : > about
>> : >
>> : > i personally don't care how many carbs a person eats, as long as they
>> : > maintain a good body weight/tone
>> : >
>> : > but, as i quickly approach my 60's...... gravity is defying me
>> : > sigh
>>
>> : Wow, I remember when we were 40 somethings
>> :
>>
>> "Darling, we are growing older.
>> Silver threads among the gold" :-)
>
> I dispose of my "silver" threads if you get my drift
>
>
i'm the oldest, with the LEAST amount of grey hair

for years i was accused of dying my hair, but now i have 'just enough
grey' to add 'highlights' thru my hair that has turned DARK DARK brown
from the "see thru platinium blonde" hair that i had as a kid/teen/young
adult



my brothers are all GREY! - end to end, top to bottom LOL

kate

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:93jks0FbmkU3@mid.individual.net...
> On 5/18/2011 8:23 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>> : Exercise does pump up my itsy bitsy veins quite a bit, but the effect
>> : is so temporary. Good point though to wait for later in the day/
>> : evening for a blood draw when possible.
>> Generally, a blood draw for me covers, not only the A1C, which does not
>> require fasting, but lipid tests, etc that do, solater inthe day just
>> doesn't work well.
>>
>> Wendy
>
>
> there is a huge wait for lab draws in the mornings here
>
> i have taken to a midnight meal and then going to the lab at noon the next
> day
>
> having said that, they now book appts, i have to decide what variation of
> my routine will suit that
>
>
>
I hated going to the Dr. in NY. They didn't have a lab in there and you had
to not only drive to one but wait usually for 2 hours. Eventually they made
it appointment only but you still had to wait at least 2 hours. The worst
part was that there was a McDonalds across the street. People were forever
bringing that crap in and eating and drinking it so you had to smell their
coffee and greasy food while you waited. And because it seemed every other
person had someone else drive them in, there was an extreme lack of seats,
even though there appeared to be what would be plenty.

Here both my clinic and my Endo. have their own lab. The most I have ever
had to wait at either one is 5 minutes. But I usually don't wait at all.
That being said, I am not a morning person and if I did need to have a
fasting test done would never get there around 7 or 8. I assume there could
be a wait at that time. When I took Angela for a fasting test, we went at
10. There was just one person ahead of her.

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:93jknqFbmkU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 5/18/2011 2:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I see. Well you shouldn't take diabetes meds without eating.
>
> this may apply to many Type 2 meds that stimulate the pancreas to produce
> more insulin
>
> but, this is not the case with metformin, which acts by suppressing the
> liver's production of glycogen

You are not supposed to take Metformin without food because it can upset the
stomach.

[Ozgirl]

"Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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>> I dispose of my "silver" threads if you get my drift
>
>
> Not me, I love mine.
>
> Cheri

I did until someone asked my son if I was his grandmother!

[Julie Bove]

"Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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> "Cheri" <cherig3@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in message
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>>> I dispose of my "silver" threads if you get my drift
>>
>>
>> Not me, I love mine.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I did until someone asked my son if I was his grandmother!

When we first moved here, I had to take a pair of Jazz pants to the dry
cleaner to get them hemmed for Angela. Thankfully her legs are now long
enough that she can wear most women's pants and they are the right length.
Last year she needed the petite. Anyway... So that was like...6 year ago
and I would have been about 46. The guy at the dry cleaner asked how old my
granddaughter was! Grrr...

I got my first grey hair at 17. I plucked it. For many years I plucked.
Until it occurred to me that I would soon go bald. Actually it wasn't quite
that bad. I really only had a few. A few that I didn't want. But I hated
dying my hair because the color would always fade so much and it would get
too light. I found I had to use a medium ash blonde shade. It started out
looking just right. But soon would be light blonde. At least the greys
tended to blend in. So... I would mix up the hair color a teaspoon at a
time, and using a little paintbrush would pick through my hair and careful
color each grey one. I did that for many years. Luckily all of my greys
were in the front in those days.

More recently I have experimented with different colors and shades. The
dark blonde 10 minute color was the easiest to use but it made my hair too
dark and red! So now I sort of have a freak head. I eventually settled on
one brand of dark ash blonde which seems to be the right color but my ends
are still too solid and dark and red! So my hair is kinda two toned.

[=?iso-8859-1?b?Qmr4cm4=?= Steensrud]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:33:06 -0600, Tiger Lily wrote:

> On 5/18/2011 8:23 PM, W. Baker wrote:
>> : Exercise does pump up my itsy bitsy veins quite a bit, but the effect
>> : is so temporary. Good point though to wait for later in the day/ :
>> evening for a blood draw when possible. Generally, a blood draw for me
>> covers, not only the A1C, which does not require fasting, but lipid
>> tests, etc that do, solater inthe day just doesn't work well.
>>
>> Wendy
>
>
> there is a huge wait for lab draws in the mornings here
>
> i have taken to a midnight meal and then going to the lab at noon the
> next day
>
> having said that, they now book appts, i have to decide what variation
> of my routine will suit that
>
>
>
> kate

I book the earliest possible time at the downtown lab. Could have blood
drawn at the doctor's office, the nurse is very skilled, but by the time
they open I'm starving :-)
At the last lab I had to ask the phlebotomist if she had worked at a
blood bank - "sure, how could you tell?" I hardly felt the needle. Those
specialists at the blood banks are very, very good.

[BessieBee]

On 5/19/2011 1:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>The guy at the dry cleaner asked how old my
> granddaughter was! Grrr...

I was 37 when my first and only child was born. One week later we were
sitting in the waiting area of his pediatrician's office. I was
cradling him in my arms (I *never* used one of those carrier things)
when another mother asked me if he was "first grandchild."

That's happened many many times since. I just smile because he's the
gift that just keeps on giving.

BessieBee

[Ozgirl]

"BessieBee" <BessieBee@dreadfulbitch.com> wrote in message
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> On 5/19/2011 1:03 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>The guy at the dry cleaner asked how old my
>> granddaughter was! Grrr...
>
> I was 37 when my first and only child was born. One week later we
> were sitting in the waiting area of his pediatrician's office. I was
> cradling him in my arms (I *never* used one of those carrier things)
> when another mother asked me if he was "first grandchild."
>
> That's happened many many times since. I just smile because he's the
> gift that just keeps on giving.
>
> BessieBee

I was 37 when I had the eldest of my 4 youngest.