New to the Group

Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.

My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
breakfast (2 hours) was 247.

I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
a few weeks?

I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.

Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....

Phil

In article <1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
"Philski" <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:

> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed?

Absolutely. Your blood sugar didn't get that high overnight, so you can
get used to feeling pretty crappy. So, it's not at all unusual for T2
diabetics to start with a number like that.

> I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?

Yeah, readings do come down as your medication kicks in and as you start
making dietary changes in response to what you see on your meter.
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.

Hopefully, the dietician will work with your food and life-style
preferences (if your food preference is pizza for every meal, that's
another story!). But be prepared to pay attention to your meter as well.
for instance, your breakfast raised your blood sugar 60 mg/dl. You may
find that other potential breakfast menus will have less of an impact.

Others will point you to Jennifer's newby advice. And that's an
excellent road map to success in controlling blood sugar. But, I'd like
to add one thing. It's totally natural to think of all the things you
can't eat now, or can't eat in a large enough portion to make it
worthwhile. However, it's important to identify some things you *can*
eat that you consider treats. For me, the food item that filled that
bill was avocado. When I read that avocado was low-carb, I started
eating a lot of avocado, especially putting it my dinner salads. For
you, it might be olives or grilled mushrooms.

Good luck, and stick around.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Philski" <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.

I presume you have made dietary changes as well?
>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?

Your numbers should come down, provided you've changed your diet. If you
haven't, then those pills aren't going to do much good.
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.

In the meantime, eat less carbs.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....

It can take a month of so to get the kinks worked out of the diet. Just
take it one day at a time.

On Apr 15, 12:21?pm, "Philski" <philski1...@msn.com> wrote:
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....

Sorry to hear about the diagnosis, but it's not the end of the world.
Diabetes is a very controllable disease and with a little work you can
live a very long life.

I'll keep my advice simple.

1) Find an endocrinologist who specializes in diabetes

2) Realize you have plenty of time and don't rush to be perfect

3) Learn the basics of diabetes and controlling it from sources you
can trust. Here are two great places to learn...

www.diabetes.org (they have some great message boards there)

www.joslin.org

Best wishes on your journey to good health.

Kurt

On Apr 15, 3:21 pm, "Philski" <philski1...@msn.com> wrote:
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> Phil

Hi Phil,
I am married, mother of two adult children, early sixties and
disabled. My grandmother, my mother amd I too am a diabetic. A few
years ago my A1C was over 12. Nondiabetics usually are 4 to 6.
Generally if your A1C is under 7, most doctors are pleased. Currently
mine runs aroun 6.3. (I'm pleased)

I took both of the medicatioms you listed, but am now on Lantus
insulin and Metformin I am also on regular insulin for when my
glucose is up. I have not used the regular for over six months.

Unfortunately my exercise is minimal since i am short of breath when I
do too much. Also I take Lyrica for diabetic neuropathy tgat tends to
make me tired.

The morning readings on your glucometer should be lower and two hours
after eating the docter usuallt wants normal levels. Your levels will
probably fall once you are in better control.

Hopo I have helped you. Carole

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700, Philski wrote:

> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.

I was diagnosed in June 2005 with similar numbers. An A1C in the range of
about 4.2-4.7 is 'normal' for a healthy non-diabetic. I'm going to suggest
you do some reading - not on the internet. I suggest you start with two
books: "Diabetes for Dummies" and Dr. Richard Bernstein's "Diabetes
Solution" - your library should have them both. After you have read at
least one of them then you may want to read some 'diet books' on glycemic
index.

>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.

Those are still pretty high numbers. There are some docs who will advise
that you not lower the numbers too fast. The numbers I strive for are in
the 80-110 range - it takes lots of work and discipline, both diet and
exercise are important.

>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?

When I was diagnosed the doc started me on metformin 3x500; I changed my
diet to greatly reduce carbs and I started getting a lot more exercise. My
numbers came down to 'normal' range almost immediately. I can't say how it
works for others.

>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> Phil

In my experience, a lot of what the dieticians will tell you will be
wrong. I believe that the general trend is to recommend too many carbs. I
do not have any set number of carbs I try for daily, but it's far fewer
than I used to consume. Once you get your numbers normalized, then you'll
be able to figure out what you can handle. It will take some time, and
some diligence. One quote I've heard that made a lot of sense to me: there
are essential proteins, and there are essential fats. At this time no one
knows of any essential carbs, though you need to keep a BG level around 70
or up for proper brain function.

BTW - I'm also 61, and living in Pocatello (well Chubbuck, actually).
During the summer I routinely bicycle at least 14 miles per day three days
per week. I try to do evening dumbbell exercises (the 'Diabetes for
Dummies' book has some good ones) every other day. In the winter I do as
much snowshoeing as I can fit in and use an exercise bike - having a
reasonable amount of exercise makes a huge difference.

I wish you luck. Listen to what the docs and educators say, but read books
as well - there's always the off chance they may be wrong

Hi Phil,

Welcome to our ever growing family. Just in case no one else has
mentioned it, I highly recommend you check out
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
for some of the best information you will ever get on handling this
life changing disease.

Keep us informed of your progress. We care.

On 15 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700, "Philski" <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:

>Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
>Phil
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while standing in front of the banner which was sent
to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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Hi Phil, welcome to the group. I'll look forward to your posts and
your progress with getting your numbers down. :-)


Cheri


Philski wrote in message
<1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>...
>Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
>meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
>or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
>to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and
sisters
>are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
>soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
>sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
>My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
>slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
>Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
>breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
>I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward
to
>any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
>a few weeks?
>
>I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour
set
>of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
>Phil
>

Phil, welcome to our group. what is normal for you might not be normal
for anyone else. your numbers are certainly high, but you have just
been diagnosed. If you take your meds and exercise and watch your
carbs, you will absolutely see a decrease in your bgs . It doesnt take
a day so just look for that downward spiral.

Again welcome to our group. It would seem to me that you were
genetically predisposed to having diabetes and that there was nothing
you could have done to stop it from happening.

But stay with us, We here are probably the most controlled diabetics
there are. This is for support and information so please whatever you
need, dont hesitate to ask.

Loretta

On 15 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700, "Philski"
<philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:

>Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
>meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
>or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
>to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
>are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
>soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
>sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
>My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
>slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
>Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
>breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
>I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
>any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
>a few weeks?
>
>I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
>of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
>Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
>Phil

Hi Phil

Welcome to the group. You didn't want to qualify to join our
club, but now that you have stick around for a while. There
are a lot of experienced people here.

I wrote a "Getting Started" entry here in my blog:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html

I'm just a patient, not a doctor, so read it with that
knowledge. I noticed others have mentioned Jennifer's test,
test, test advice so I'll simply reinforce that - it was the
single most important and effective advice I received after
diagnosis. Here it is again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Good luck, come back often with lots of questions.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic

My a1c was same as yours a year ago, now i run about 6%. Please read a
couple of books on the subject. My favorites on these.

1. The First Year Type 2 Diabetes, an Essential Guide to the Newly
Diagnosed. by Gretchen Becker. This book will teach you a lot. It
helped me get through the start of all this one year ago.

2. Atkins Diabetes Book. Excellent review of drugs available. How it
affects other body functions like lipids, Recipes for low carb eating
and the reasons why a low carb approach is best. You can get this on
Amazon for about 50 cents plus shipping.

Good luck and stay tuned here.
Ed

Philski used his keyboard to write :
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> Phil

"Philski" <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.

Hello Phil.. welcome and sorry you had to join us.

Yep, having an A1C of 12 at diagnosis is pretty common for most. The
A1C is basically a snapshot of what's being going on over the past 3mon
to 4 weeks such as how much glucose has built up in your blood.

>
> My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> breakfast (2 hours) was 247.

Those are pretty high readings but as you learn what you can and can't
eat and giving the medication you're on time to start working... and with
exercise, your readings will begin to reduce. You didn't become diabetic
overnight.. it will take a wee bit of time to learn whats needed for
yourself
to get your glucose back into non-diabetic range.

What was your meal for those readings?

>
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> Phil
>

I'd like to remind you Phil, none of us are doctors here and can only pass
on
our own experience. You should always check with your doctor before making
any changes in your diabetic care. You should be the head of your diabetic
team
and work closely with your doctor. Never be afraid to ask them questions
and if
they aren't willing to take the time to help you.. then find one that will.
You might
have to go through a few to get to one that will work with you.
Unfortunately but
true.

As for testing and your diet, it's great you have an appointment already
with a
dietician. I would suggest that you test often in the beginning to learn
what foods
work for you and which you need to limit. Remember, there are no forbidden
foods
you'll just need to learn to modify and moderate what you eat. Testing
before and
2hrs after you eat will help you get a better idea of what's going on.
Some suggest
testing at 1hr after you've eaten, but since most folks glucose peak around
90mins
after they've eaten, it's a waste and invalid testing at 1hr. Reason I say
this is because
fast acting Insulin is designed to peak at around 90mins-2hrs because T1's
have no
natural insulin left and we rely on injected insulin which is made to mimic
the bodies
natural pancreas effects. If most peaked at 1hr, then injected insulin
would have been
made to peak at that time as well to cover the peak..

I would also suggest that if after a few more weeks you can't get your
glucose lower
then what you've stated above, you discuss with your doctor a short round
of Insulin
to help you reduce your glucose. For a T2, you can use Insulin to help
reduce your
glucose for a short time and once you're in control you can stop the
insulin.

Best of luck and keep asking questions.. you seem to be headed in the right
direction.


--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper

"I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12"

I just got diagnosed last month and my A1c was 12.6. That meant that my
blood sugar was averaging 371 for at least 3 months. I am on 2 meds, and
have completely changed my diet, and starting to exercise. I have been
testing about 2 weeks, and my BS has dropped into the 100's. Keep
reading...this is a good group, and they have helped me alot.
-Kris

<CaroleMEdwards@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Unfortunately my exercise is minimal since i am short of breath when I
> do too much. Also I take Lyrica for diabetic neuropathy tgat tends to
> make me tired.
>
I, also, am on Lyrica for neuropathy. My doctor told me that "blown away"
side effect would go away after a few weeks... it never did. The way to deal
with it is to pretend you're stoned (which, you are). You should find that,
if you just go with the feeling, you won't feel tired at all.... as a matter
of fact, if you get active as soon as you feel it coming on, you'll get real
ambitious and energetic. The tiredness turns to energy. Try it.... have fun
with it. Oh, careful not to bump into things....lol.

John

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.04.15.20.46.00.803582@zianet.com...
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700, Philski wrote:
>
> BTW - I'm also 61, and living in Pocatello (well Chubbuck, actually).
> During the summer I routinely bicycle at least 14 miles per day three days
> per week. I try to do evening dumbbell exercises (the 'Diabetes for
> Dummies' book has some good ones) every other day. In the winter I do as
> much snowshoeing as I can fit in and use an exercise bike - having a
> reasonable amount of exercise makes a huge difference.
>
......jeez, Ray. I need a nap from just reading that!

John

"Cougar" <cougar_rocklightening@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:13261qj8ui1eqf9@corp.supernews.com...
> "I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12"
>
> I just got diagnosed last month and my A1c was 12.6. That meant that my
> blood sugar was averaging 371 for at least 3 months.

actually a 12.6 A1C is a mean glucose of 334mg/dL. it's not an exact
average calculation. it's also more of the last 4-6weeks then 3 months.
it just depends on when your blood cells die off really.



--
Reisa, T1
dx-5/00 asd-7/00
Animas IR1250 pumper

On Apr 15, 8:55 pm, "rk" <p_haha_med...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Philski" <philski1...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes. Got my first
> > meter and stuff and was told that my a1c was 12... Is this a "normal"
> > or usual occurence when just being diagnosed? I have no track record
> > to go by. Diabetes does run in my family. My mom, brothers and sisters
> > are all diabetic but I keep in shape and run/cycle weekly. I am 60
> > soon to be 61 and didn't expect this to be happening when all of a
> > sudden, I find myself having to watch everything I eat and do.
>
> Hello Phil.. welcome and sorry you had to join us.
>
> Yep, having an A1C of 12 at diagnosis is pretty common for most. The
> A1C is basically a snapshot of what's being going on over the past 3mon
> to 4 weeks such as how much glucose has built up in your blood.
>
>
>
> > My meter's first reading is 362 mg/dl but in the past week it has
> > slowly been ratcheting downward. They started me on Metformin and
> > Glipizide and this morning's pre-breakfast was at 187 and post
> > breakfast (2 hours) was 247.
>
> Those are pretty high readings but as you learn what you can and can't
> eat and giving the medication you're on time to start working... and with
> exercise, your readings will begin to reduce. You didn't become diabetic
> overnight.. it will take a wee bit of time to learn whats needed for
> yourself
> to get your glucose back into non-diabetic range.
>
> What was your meal for those readings?
>
>
>
> > I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> > any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> > a few weeks?
>
> > I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> > of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> > Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> > Phil
>
> I'd like to remind you Phil, none of us are doctors here and can only pass
> on
> our own experience. You should always check with your doctor before making
> any changes in your diabetic care. You should be the head of your diabetic
> team
> and work closely with your doctor. Never be afraid to ask them questions
> and if
> they aren't willing to take the time to help you.. then find one that will.
> You might
> have to go through a few to get to one that will work with you.
> Unfortunately but
> true.
>
> As for testing and your diet, it's great you have an appointment already
> with a
> dietician. I would suggest that you test often in the beginning to learn
> what foods
> work for you and which you need to limit. Remember, there are no forbidden
> foods
> you'll just need to learn to modify and moderate what you eat. Testing
> before and
> 2hrs after you eat will help you get a better idea of what's going on.
> Some suggest
> testing at 1hr after you've eaten, but since most folks glucose peak around
> 90mins
> after they've eaten, it's a waste and invalid testing at 1hr. Reason I say
> this is because
> fast acting Insulin is designed to peak at around 90mins-2hrs because T1's
> have no
> natural insulin left and we rely on injected insulin which is made to mimic
> the bodies
> natural pancreas effects. If most peaked at 1hr, then injected insulin
> would have been
> made to peak at that time as well to cover the peak..
>
> I would also suggest that if after a few more weeks you can't get your
> glucose lower
> then what you've stated above, you discuss with your doctor a short round
> of Insulin
> to help you reduce your glucose. For a T2, you can use Insulin to help
> reduce your
> glucose for a short time and once you're in control you can stop the
> insulin.
>
> Best of luck and keep asking questions.. you seem to be headed in the right
> direction.
>
> --
> Reisa, T1
> dx-5/00 asd-7/00
> Animas IR1250 pumper

Good post, RK. :-) However, I have to disagree with the idea that
testing at 1 hour is invalid. My personal experience differs. I peak
at 1/2 hour with a meal that has no fat, and an hour with a meal that
has some fat, (although not as much fat as the dreaded pizza
affect ;-) Perhaps in T2s, since our first phase insulin is shot, our
phase II insulin comes on with a vengeance?

Anyway, after Phil starts to get a handle on things, he can determine
the timing of his own peak.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

"Philski" <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes.
[snip]
> I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> a few weeks?
>
> I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> Phil
>
Welcome to the group no one wants to join.

Readings usually come down as your treatment progresses.

On Apr 15, 6:22 pm, "Robert Miles" <robertmi...@bellsouthNOSPAM.net>
wrote:
> "Philski" <philski1...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176664904.006647.36120@d57g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...> Well....here goes! I was just diagnosed w/ diabetes.
> [snip]
> > I am trying to understand what is usual or typical and look forward to
> > any input you can give me. Does the readings typically come down over
> > a few weeks?
>
> > I do have appointments to meet with a dietician and then an 8-hour set
> > of educational classes at a diabetes center in Boise.
>
> > Thanks in advance for any and all of your advise and comments....
>
> > Phil
>
> Welcome to the group no one wants to join.
>
> Readings usually come down as your treatment progresses.

All,
What a warm welcome! I read each and every post and went to the
"Jennifer" newly diagnosed web page (bookmarked it too)...

I adjusted my diet right off the bat. I have cut out sugars for the
most part and am watching my carbs pretty closely. I was a BioMed for
quite a few years at Dialysis clinics so I did realize I had to make
some (drastic) changes.

In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
(it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
how to make it with Splenda or something like that.

The diabetes diagnosis hit me about as hard as when I was diagnosed
with cancer (prostate - it's just great now...PSA is undetectable and
the big C has not returned - 3 years now)...

You are a great group of people. And while I know you are not doctors,
experience has a LOT to do with this disease and understanding what
works and what doesn't is something I am just going to have to look
forward to. BTW, I walk for about 40 minutes at lunch time each day...

Thanks again for alllll your input...it is much appreciated and I will
be a regular here if you don't mind...

As always,
Phil

In article <1176779038.499339.109240@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
Philski <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:

> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.

Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

On 16 Apr 2007 20:03:58 -0700, Philski <philski1usa@msn.com>
wrote:

Hi Phil

Some selective snipping, with a few lines from "Jennifer's
advice" interleaved for emphasis.

>All,
>What a warm welcome! I read each and every post and went to the
>"Jennifer" newly diagnosed web page (bookmarked it too)...
<snip>
>In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
>tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
>(it's been 2 hours).

Test yourself at the following times:
<snip>
1 hour after each meal

2 hours after each meal

> There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
>miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
>how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
>
>The diabetes diagnosis hit me about as hard as when I was diagnosed
>with cancer (prostate - it's just great now...PSA is undetectable and
>the big C has not returned - 3 years now)...
>
Great to hear your a C survivor. May that continue forever.

>You are a great group of people. And while I know you are not doctors,
>experience has a LOT to do with this disease and understanding what
>works and what doesn't is something I am just going to have to look
>forward to. BTW, I walk for about 40 minutes at lunch time each day...
>
>Thanks again for alllll your input...it is much appreciated and I will
>be a regular here if you don't mind...
>
>As always,
>Phil

Here is that advice again; print it out, put it on your
fridge and put it into practice - it works:-)

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but
write it all down.

Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)

1 hour after each meal

2 hours after each meal

At bedtime

That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is
how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how
fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal
that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher
reading.

Then for the next few days, try to curb your carbs.
Eliminate breads, cereals, rice, beans, any wheat products,
potato, corn, fruit... get all your carbs from veggies. Test
at the same schedule above.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afaber-C2EE46.23125116042007@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <1176779038.499339.109240@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> Philski <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
>> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
>> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
>> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
>> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
>
> Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
> glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.
>
Alice, there ain't no water in a gimlet.

John

In article <VsXUh.1309$jR5.453@trnddc08>,
"johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:afaber-C2EE46.23125116042007@reader2.panix.com...
> > In article <1176779038.499339.109240@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> > Philski <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
> >> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
> >> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
> >> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
> >> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
> >
> > Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
> > glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.
> >
> Alice, there ain't no water in a gimlet.

And there's no gin in limeade.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afaber-9A2744.00012717042007@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <VsXUh.1309$jR5.453@trnddc08>,
> "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:afaber-C2EE46.23125116042007@reader2.panix.com...
>> > In article <1176779038.499339.109240@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
>> > Philski <philski1usa@msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
>> >> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
>> >> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
>> >> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
>> >> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
>> >
>> > Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
>> > glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.
>> >
>> Alice, there ain't no water in a gimlet.
>
> And there's no gin in limeade.
>
.....unfortunately.....lol

John

On Apr 16, 10:39 pm, "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
wrote:
> "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> news:afaber-9A2744.00012717042007@reader2.panix.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <VsXUh.1309$jR5.453@trnddc08>,
> > "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>news:afaber-C2EE46.23125116042007@reader2.panix.com...
> >> > In article <1176779038.499339.109...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> >> > Philski <philski1...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
> >> >> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
> >> >> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
> >> >> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
> >> >> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
>
> >> > Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
> >> > glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.
>
> >> Alice, there ain't no water in a gimlet.
>
> > And there's no gin in limeade.
>
> ....unfortunately.....lol
>
> John- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am a light drinker...at least I used to be....I may have a beer or
two watching football...

What effect does alcohol typically have on diabetics? I don't want to
upset the apple cart.

In my days in the Army, I did my share of drinking and partying but
those days are long past.

And I used to jus' luv gin and tonic...

Phil(ski)

On Apr 17, 7:34 pm, Philski <philski1...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 10:39 pm, "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:afaber-9A2744.00012717042007@reader2.panix.com...
>
> > > In article <VsXUh.1309$jR5.453@trnddc08>,
> > > "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:afaber-C2EE46.23125116042007@reader2.panix.com...
> > >> > In article <1176779038.499339.109...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>,
> > >> > Philski <philski1...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > >> >> In one week my readings have kinda gone down. I read 141 mg/dl before
> > >> >> tonight's supper. I have to stick myself here in about 10 minutes
> > >> >> (it's been 2 hours). There sure are a lot of foods I am sorely gonna
> > >> >> miss.... ;( Especially LimeAde...I am going to have to figure out
> > >> >> how to make it with Splenda or something like that.
>
> > >> > Juice of one small lime or half a larger one, over ice in a highball
> > >> > glass, dilute with water, Splenda to taste (1-2 tsp). Enjoy.
>
> > >> Alice, there ain't no water in a gimlet.
>
> > > And there's no gin in limeade.
>
> > ....unfortunately.....lol
>
> > John- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I am a light drinker...at least I used to be....I may have a beer or
> two watching football...
>
> What effect does alcohol typically have on diabetics? I don't want to
> upset the apple cart.
>
> In my days in the Army, I did my share of drinking and partying but
> those days are long past.
>
> And I used to jus' luv gin and tonic...

>From www.diabetes.org

Question:
Is it true that I have to give up alcohol?

Answer:
No. If your blood glucose management is good, having an occasional
drink with meals should do no harm. The dietary guidelines published
by the U.S. government say drinking moderately is okay as long as you
don't drink and drive. Moderate drinking means one drink a day for
women and two for men.

One drink is 12 ounces of regular beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1 1/2
ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits. These guidelines work for most
people who have diabetes. Having diabetes means you should also take
special precautions when it comes to drinking. First, you need to fit
the calories you are drinking into your meal plan to avoid going too
high. That's important because alcohol contains almost as many
calories per gram as fat does. Substitute alcohol calories for fat
calories, with one drink equal to about 90 calories. Second, alcohol
can cause very low blood glucose if you drink and don't eat anything.
If you take insulin or pills that help your body make more insulin
(sulfonylureas or meglitinides), it is safest to drink alcohol only
with meals. So it is okay to drink, but as with so many other things,
it takes extra effort to do it safely when you have diabetes.

On 17 Apr 2007 19:34:16 -0700, Philski <philski1usa@msn.com>
wrote:

>I am a light drinker...at least I used to be....I may have a beer or
>two watching football...
>
>What effect does alcohol typically have on diabetics? I don't want to
>upset the apple cart.
>
>In my days in the Army, I did my share of drinking and partying but
>those days are long past.
>
>And I used to jus' luv gin and tonic...
>
>Phil(ski)

Hi Phil

This is a regular question, so I tend to say much the same
thing each time.

I am a believer in the value of a modest intake of alcohol
in the form of red wine.

Some people cannot drink alcohol because they have addiction
or other medical/ideological reasons for abstinence. For the
rest of us the evidence is becoming fairly clear that a
moderate regular intake of alcohol is beneficial,
particularly for type 2 diabetics. The benefits appear to be
enhanced if the alcohol of choice is dry red wine.

The longer version, with references, is here:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/20...-red-wine.html

That doesn't mean other drinks aren't OK in moderation.
Moderation is the key word there. However, be a little wary
of beer, because beer can have a significant carb content,
between 12 and 20 gms carb per glass. Also, with spirits,
you can't always be sure the mixer is "diet" in a bar in
drinks like rum'n'coke or gin'n'tonic.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic