Nick's sinful Thanksgiving Dinner

Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

"Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:20071123025523.303$7o@newsreader.com...
> Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.

I didn't eat a lot. One piece of turkey. Some of the potato and onion
casserole I made. About 6 olives, 3 baby carrots. Some of the cranberry
salad. Also several small pieces of the gluten free cranberry bread. I had
to bake it in a 9 by 13 pan. They e-mailed me and said they'd messed up the
mix so to do it that way. It didn't rise up at all but it tasted fine. I
just cut it in squares. I didn't test after dinner. Then we had dessert.
I tried some of the pumpkin bars I made. Not sure I liked them so well. I
tested after eating that. Was 138. Was afraid it would be much higher
after eating the cranberry bread.

"Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> []
> I didn't eat a lot. One piece of turkey. Some of the potato and onion
> casserole I made. About 6 olives, 3 baby carrots. Some of the cranberry
> salad. Also several small pieces of the gluten free cranberry bread. I
> had to bake it in a 9 by 13 pan. They e-mailed me and said they'd messed
> up the mix so to do it that way. It didn't rise up at all but it tasted
> fine. I just cut it in squares. I didn't test after dinner. Then we
> had dessert. I tried some of the pumpkin bars I made. Not sure I liked
> them so well. I tested after eating that. Was 138. Was afraid it would
> be much higher after eating the cranberry bread.

That's great, Julie! Sounds like you had a nice Thanksgiving dinner, as did
I.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

I had turkey and stuffing and green beans..then made bbq ribs later in the
day and had a sliver pumkin pie and later in the day a sliver
cheesecake..all prepared normal..just used portion control..didnt use
splenda etc ..just ate the real deal..my high of the day was 120 from the
pie.
T'was a good day!

Next big splurge...xmas!

KROM

"Nick Cramer" <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:20071123025523.303$7o@newsreader.com...
> Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
> They
> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

x-no-archive: yes

krom wrote:
> I had turkey and stuffing and green beans..then made bbq ribs later in the
> day and had a sliver pumkin pie and later in the day a sliver
> cheesecake..all prepared normal..just used portion control..didnt use
> splenda etc ..just ate the real deal..my high of the day was 120 from the
> pie.
> T'was a good day!
>

Turkey, salad, green beans and pureed turnips for moi.

Took two Precose and had apple crumb cake for dessert, but it wasn't
worth it.

Susan

I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
pumpkin pie....

Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....

Randy

Nick Cramer wrote in message <20071123025523.303$7o@newsreader.com>...
>Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no
cream in
>the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of
lamb
>were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other
side
>for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a
little
>more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a
nice
>bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to,
I
>checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.


You beat me by a few points. :-) I had a nice LC dinner planned and
ready, but unfortunately with time on my hands after cleaning, I
decided to make my fruit bars and freeze them for Christmas. Anyway, I
had 3 of them, and was 171 after a couple of hours, but I enjoyed
them, and won't do it again until Christmas.

Cheri

On Nov 22, 11:55 pm, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> --
> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

We had our 1st Thanksgiving at my house about 2 weeks ago. Everything
was prepared to be diabetic friendly. No problems.

Went to a friend's house yesterday. Guess I'd forgotten how much
sugar is used in everything--baked beans, yams with brown sugar and
pineapple juice, the green bean casserole with the crunchy things on
top--and of course, the usual assortment of rolls, potatoes,
dressing. The only things I could safely eat were the turkey and the
low carb dressing I brought for myself. So I scraped the crunchy
things off the green bean casserole (although I have no idea what was
used to thicken it), and ate one bite of baked beans, yams, and
potatoes. I did have wine, which should help the BG a bit. I didn't
test. This was a one time event, and reminded me of why I never eat
any place but home.

Best regards,
Michelle C, T2
diet & exercise

In article <aGD1j.26707$Pv2.24394@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net> ,
"Netguider" <randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote:

> I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
> noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
> pumpkin pie....
>
> Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
> down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....

You do understand those aren't healthy levels, don't you?

Priscilla

In article
<e06e03f0-7517-4841-85b7-0513158893e6@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 22, 11:55 pm, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> > the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> > were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> > for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> > more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> > bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> > checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
> >
> > --
> > Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> > I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
> > are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> > forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
>
> We had our 1st Thanksgiving at my house about 2 weeks ago. Everything
> was prepared to be diabetic friendly. No problems.
>
> Went to a friend's house yesterday. Guess I'd forgotten how much
> sugar is used in everything--baked beans, yams with brown sugar and
> pineapple juice, the green bean casserole with the crunchy things on
> top--and of course, the usual assortment of rolls, potatoes,
> dressing. The only things I could safely eat were the turkey and the
> low carb dressing I brought for myself. So I scraped the crunchy
> things off the green bean casserole (although I have no idea what was
> used to thicken it), and ate one bite of baked beans, yams, and
> potatoes. I did have wine, which should help the BG a bit. I didn't
> test. This was a one time event, and reminded me of why I never eat
> any place but home.
>

My mother made the green bean casserole for the first time ever. My
father's keeping himself active doing research about "food firsts" and
had found an article about the 60th birthday of the casserole recipe. As
starchy Thanksgiving sides go, it's not too bad. The ingredients,
besides the beans, are a can of cream of mushroom soup (some starch as a
thickener, I believe) and as much of a can of French's fried onions as
you need. As far as I could tell, there's breading on the onion crispy
bits.

--
"[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
This, apparently, upsets the fools."
---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest

On Nov 23, 10:32�am, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
> Nick Cramer wrote in message <20071123025523.303...@newsreader.com>...
> >Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no
> cream in
> >the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of
> lamb
> >were 100� F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other
> side
> >for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a
> little
> >more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a
> nice
> >bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to,
> I
> >checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> You beat me by a few points. :-) I had a nice LC dinner planned and
> ready, but unfortunately with time on my hands after cleaning, I
> decided to make my fruit bars and freeze them for Christmas. Anyway, I
> had 3 of them, and was 171 after a couple of hours, but I enjoyed
> them, and won't do it again until Christmas.
>
> Cheri

Cheri...and Nick,

It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
"Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)

'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'

Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
Day.

Kurt

"Netguider" <randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote in message
news:aGD1j.26707$Pv2.24394@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>pumpkin pie....
>
> Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
> down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....

Wow! Not good.

"Priscilla Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> a écrit ...
> "Netguider" <randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote:
>
>> I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>> noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>> pumpkin pie....
>>
>> Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
>> down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....
>
> You do understand those aren't healthy levels, don't you?



English litotes at its best !

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:59:38 -0500, "Netguider"
<randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote:

>I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>pumpkin pie....
>
>Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
>down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....
>
>Randy

Wow. Please tell me you aren't the same Randy who thinks they're
pre-diabetic?

Either way - please read this:
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Kurt wrote in message <774fe8de-2843-400e-a045-

Cheri...and Nick,

It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
"Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)

'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'

Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
Day.

Kurt


_____________


LOL Kurt, how true. I hope you had a great day with all your guests.
:-)

Cheri

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:59:38 -0500, "Netguider"
<randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote:

>I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>pumpkin pie....
>
>Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
>down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....
>
>Randy

Hi Randy

Welcome. I don't recall you posting here before? I'm
guessing you are type 2 or you would be testing more often
and adjusting those with insulin.

See if these help:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
and
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Alice Faber <afa...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e06e03f0-7517-4841-85b7-051315889...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 22, 11:55 pm, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> > > the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> > > were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> > > for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> > > more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> > > bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> > > checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> > > --
> > > Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> > > I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.They
> > > are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> > > forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
>
> > We had our 1st Thanksgiving at my house about 2 weeks ago. Everything
> > was prepared to be diabetic friendly. No problems.
>
> > Went to a friend's house yesterday. Guess I'd forgotten how much
> > sugar is used in everything--baked beans, yams with brown sugar and
> > pineapple juice, the green bean casserole with the crunchy things on
> > top--and of course, the usual assortment of rolls, potatoes,
> > dressing. The only things I could safely eat were the turkey and the
> > low carb dressing I brought for myself. So I scraped the crunchy
> > things off the green bean casserole (although I have no idea what was
> > used to thicken it), and ate one bite of baked beans, yams, and
> > potatoes. I did have wine, which should help the BG a bit. I didn't
> > test. This was a one time event, and reminded me of why I never eat
> > any place but home.
>
> My mother made the green bean casserole for the first time ever. My
> father's keeping himself active doing research about "food firsts" and
> had found an article about the 60th birthday of the casserole recipe. As
> starchy Thanksgiving sides go, it's not too bad. The ingredients,
> besides the beans, are a can of cream of mushroom soup (some starch as a
> thickener, I believe) and as much of a can of French's fried onions as
> you need. As far as I could tell, there's breading on the onion crispy
> bits.
>
> --
> "[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
> This, apparently, upsets the fools."
> ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Alice! So maybe the green bean casserole wasn't too bad. :-)
Everything certainly tasted good.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

On 11/23/07 4:48 PM, in article
752b0220-a31c-4575-9844-fcdc57562d29...oglegroups.com, "Michelle
C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Alice Faber <afa...@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article
>> <e06e03f0-7517-4841-85b7-051315889...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 22, 11:55 pm, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
>>>> the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
>>>> were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
>>>> for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
>>>> more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
>>>> bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
>>>> checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
>>>> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
>>>> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
>>>> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
>>
>>> We had our 1st Thanksgiving at my house about 2 weeks ago. Everything
>>> was prepared to be diabetic friendly. No problems.
>>
>>> Went to a friend's house yesterday. Guess I'd forgotten how much
>>> sugar is used in everything--baked beans, yams with brown sugar and
>>> pineapple juice, the green bean casserole with the crunchy things on
>>> top--and of course, the usual assortment of rolls, potatoes,
>>> dressing. The only things I could safely eat were the turkey and the
>>> low carb dressing I brought for myself. So I scraped the crunchy
>>> things off the green bean casserole (although I have no idea what was
>>> used to thicken it), and ate one bite of baked beans, yams, and
>>> potatoes. I did have wine, which should help the BG a bit. I didn't
>>> test. This was a one time event, and reminded me of why I never eat
>>> any place but home.
>>
>> My mother made the green bean casserole for the first time ever. My
>> father's keeping himself active doing research about "food firsts" and
>> had found an article about the 60th birthday of the casserole recipe. As
>> starchy Thanksgiving sides go, it's not too bad. The ingredients,
>> besides the beans, are a can of cream of mushroom soup (some starch as a
>> thickener, I believe) and as much of a can of French's fried onions as
>> you need. As far as I could tell, there's breading on the onion crispy
>> bits.
>>
>> --
>> "[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
>> This, apparently, upsets the fools."
>> ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks Alice! So maybe the green bean casserole wasn't too bad. :-)
> Everything certainly tasted good.
>
> Best regards,
> Michelle C., T2
> diet & exercise

If you really want to kick your casserole "up a notch" next year, add some
water chestnuts, mushrooms and bean sprouts. I always use fresh. Mind you
when I lived in California, except for the beans, I had to use canned for
everything. Here I just shop at the supermarket or in Chinatown.
--
Martha Irwin T2 Canada
1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia

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On 23 Nov 2007 07:55:18 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
>the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
>were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
>for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
>more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
>bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
>checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.

G'day G'day Nick et al,

Thanksgiving has been rather thought provoking for me with some
enjoying it and wondering what could be done to help those feeling a
deep sense of disappointment as can happen at festive times when
family and friends get together and things don't turn out right.

As it happens we don't have Thanksgiving as a festival here.

However today we did celebrate the long awaited return of very good
friends from an overseas trip. As it happened we took them to the
pictures and in return they took us out to lunch to a cafe situated in
an upmarket food ingredient shop. Its the sort of place when one can
buy all the freshest quality spices, sauces, cheeses, breads,
chocolate.

For lunch I ordered an avocado and asparagus open sandwich. OK, I had
some thoughts about being virtuous in my choice of food. The others
decided to have the same. Glad we did. It was divine. We soon
figured out the basics of their dressing recipe. Parmesan, lemon
juice, olive oil, lemon zest and a touch of salt and pepper.
The single slice of bread was fairly thin and more a vehicle for whole
grains, sunflower and pumpkin seeds.

OK, not a single turkey lost its life in this meal and there wasn't a
single cranberry to be seen. We didn't stuff ourselves either.
However the enjoyment was enough to make me feel a deep sense of
thanksgiving that good food could taste so delicious and gratitude
that our climate made it freely available at this time of the year.

Best wishes,
--
Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
New Zealand, >#,#< [
/ \ /\
"... and the blind dog was leading."

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Do you know why you run so high all the time randy?
You are type one or two?..sorry i dont recall..
Maybe you could talk to endo about a different regiment?

I just worry about the damage to eyes etc that high all the time..


KROM

"Netguider" <randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote in message
news:aGD1j.26707$Pv2.24394@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>pumpkin pie....
>
> Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
> down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....
>
> Randy
>

Most everyone here agrees it is fine to splurge on special occasions
kurt..but you seem to ignore the fact that some who post high numbers are
saying they have such numbers all the time and go REALLY high on holidays.

Also some dont JUST celebrate 2-3 times a year they find any and every
reason to not take care of themselfs the rest of the year as well..

I have not read a single poster demanding people eat any certain way on
thanksgiving..some miight post recipes or alternatives to allow them to eat
more with less spokes..others advocate regular food but portion control.

Eating a whole pie isnt going to taste any better then one slice and you
will be sick after the whole pie but the single slices gona taste damn good

KROM

"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote
Cheri...and Nick,

It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
"Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)

'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'

Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
Day.

Kurt

On Nov 23, 9:16�pm, "krom" <thekromremoverem...@hotmail.com> wrote:>
> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Cheri...and Nick,
>
> It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
> "Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)
>
> 'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'
>
> Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
> Day.
>
> Kurt


> Most everyone here agrees it is fine to splurge on special occasions
> kurt..but you seem to ignore the fact that some who post high numbers are
> saying they have such numbers all the time and go REALLY high on holidays.
>
> Also some dont JUST celebrate 2-3 times a year they find any and every
> reason to not take care of themselfs the rest of the year as well..
>
> I have not read a single poster demanding people eat any certain way on
> thanksgiving..some miight post recipes or alternatives to allow them to eat
> more with less spokes..others advocate regular food but portion control.
>
> Eating a whole pie isnt going to taste any better then one slice and you
> will be sick after the whole pie but the single slices gona taste damn good
>
> KROM

?????

Seriously, do you just look for stuff to spin into controversy? Good
God, get a grip.

Kurt

huh?
What fault did you find with what i said?
What was controversial about it?

I was makin a comment based of a few post about "i screwed up" etc and
people complaining about high numbers after the holiday.

Keep in mind theres newbies and lurkers who might misinterpret the just say
"f^^K it" advice and i was pointing that out...because a few here will say
and have said high numbers are "nothing to worry about"...


My coment wasnt even at cheri and nick..but was adressing your risky
business quote.

You are a funny guy kurt..you post about controlling numbers with diet and
exercise and then get pissy when sombody agrees with you which is what my
advice to eat one slice and not the whole pie basically is.

KROM




"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aea8f11f-b21d-460a-ab8a-1c3ca9860232@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 23, 9:16?pm, "krom" <thekromremoverem...@hotmail.com> wrote:>
> "Kurt" <kurtwheeling1...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Cheri...and Nick,
>
> It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
> "Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)
>
> 'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'
>
> Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
> Day.
>
> Kurt


> Most everyone here agrees it is fine to splurge on special occasions
> kurt..but you seem to ignore the fact that some who post high numbers are
> saying they have such numbers all the time and go REALLY high on holidays.
>
> Also some dont JUST celebrate 2-3 times a year they find any and every
> reason to not take care of themselfs the rest of the year as well..
>
> I have not read a single poster demanding people eat any certain way on
> thanksgiving..some miight post recipes or alternatives to allow them to
> eat
> more with less spokes..others advocate regular food but portion control.
>
> Eating a whole pie isnt going to taste any better then one slice and you
> will be sick after the whole pie but the single slices gona taste damn
> good
>
> KROM

?????

Seriously, do you just look for stuff to spin into controversy? Good
God, get a grip.

Kurt

krom wrote:
> "Netguider" <randy@randybenjamin.com> wrote in message
> news:aGD1j.26707$Pv2.24394@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>> I started the day at 257 which is about my morning norm. Had turkey,
>> noodles, (lots of noodles) mashed potatoes, and finished off with some
>> pumpkin pie....
>>
>> Checked my BG about 3 hours later and it was 442. In another hour it was
>> down to 368. Then I had supper. Didn't check it any more that day....

I missed the original post, so am quoting a quote here.

Hello Randy and welcome.

This is the thing... going high for a holiday meal, that's a very
minimal problem. Even going really skyhigh like that. I've done it,
gone out and splurged on a pasta meal with garlic bread and wine and
tiramisu for dessert and wound up over 300 (for me, over 300 is all the
same as I doubt a meter's accuracy when it gets up that high). I've
always been quite willing to do that once in a while if I really wanted
to as I figure it keeps me on track all the rest of the time and hence
overall improves my health. What the heck - we're human.

What concerns me is starting the day at 257 and that being your norm.
There's nothing *near* normal about 257. Even what they knew twenty
years ago was keeping bg under 200, and we know a LOT more today. Even
postprandials aren't supposed to go over 140 in order to prevent organ
damage, and fasting numbers should be significantly lower, under 110.
These are the goals of the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists, not exactly a bunch of fanatics, but the experts.

If it were me, I'd spend the next week eating nothing but the leftover
turkey and skip the side dishes entirely. It might take a while for the
numbers to come down since they've been so high for so long. After a
week, see where you are and decide where to go from there.

If you get down to good numbers, you can start with Jennifer's advice
and go from there:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

If you don't get to good numbers, you need to be on meds if you're not.
Metformin would be a good start, assuming you're a T2.

But I suspect you might really need to be on insulin cause your numbers
are just *so* off the charts. I mention this because I want to say
other things... about being afraid of insulin and not seeing doctors
because of it. I lost bg control after a pancreasitis attack, but
postponed doing anything about it because I was afraid of insulin. I
had lots of excuses, but it came down to knowing I needed insulin and
being a big wuss about it.

After a year of high numbers, I had a heart attack and wound up with a
bypass. They wouldn't let me leave the hospital without learning how to
give myself insulin shots, so I didn't avoid the insulin anyways. It's
been almost 6 months since the bypass and I'm still partially crippled
and can't do half what I could before. Had I not been a chickenshit and
dealt with my high numbers right upfront, I might have avoided a hell of
a lot of aggravation a lot worse than a few measly shots.

In short, if your best efforts for a week don't get your numbers down
significantly, you need to see a doctor ASAP. This is seriously your
life we're talking about here... letting it go can lead to blindness,
impotence, kidney failure and amputations as well as heart attacks.

Your numbers are not something to screw around with - they can kill you,
or make you wish they had.

--
http://www.ornery-geeks.org/consulting/

Did you miss that he said Cheri and Nick in his post? Seems pretty
"I'm addressing these people" specific to me, and his quote will work
quite well for *me* on Christmas Day too. :-)

Cheri

krom wrote in message ...
>Most everyone here agrees it is fine to splurge on special occasions
>kurt..but you seem to ignore the fact that some who post high numbers
are
>saying they have such numbers all the time and go REALLY high on
holidays.

>"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote
>Cheri...and Nick,
>
>It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
>"Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)
>
>'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'
>
>Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
>Day.
>
>Kurt
>
>

On Nov 23, 5:09 pm, MI <quilchenap...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> On 11/23/07 4:48 PM, in article
> 752b0220-a31c-4575-9844-fcdc57562...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "Michelle
>
>
>
>
>
> C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Alice Faber <afa...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <e06e03f0-7517-4841-85b7-051315889...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "Michelle C." <bookbug2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 22, 11:55 pm, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>>> Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> >>>> the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs oflamb
> >>>> were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> >>>> for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> >>>> more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> >>>> bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to,I
> >>>> checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
> >>>> I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.. They
> >>>> are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
> >>>> forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
>
> >>> We had our 1st Thanksgiving at my house about 2 weeks ago. Everything
> >>> was prepared to be diabetic friendly. No problems.
>
> >>> Went to a friend's house yesterday. Guess I'd forgotten how much
> >>> sugar is used in everything--baked beans, yams with brown sugar and
> >>> pineapple juice, the green bean casserole with the crunchy things on
> >>> top--and of course, the usual assortment of rolls, potatoes,
> >>> dressing. The only things I could safely eat were the turkey and the
> >>> low carb dressing I brought for myself. So I scraped the crunchy
> >>> things off the green bean casserole (although I have no idea what was
> >>> used to thicken it), and ate one bite of baked beans, yams, and
> >>> potatoes. I did have wine, which should help the BG a bit. I didn't
> >>> test. This was a one time event, and reminded me of why I never eat
> >>> any place but home.
>
> >> My mother made the green bean casserole for the first time ever. My
> >> father's keeping himself active doing research about "food firsts" and
> >> had found an article about the 60th birthday of the casserole recipe. As
> >> starchy Thanksgiving sides go, it's not too bad. The ingredients,
> >> besides the beans, are a can of cream of mushroom soup (some starch as a
> >> thickener, I believe) and as much of a can of French's fried onions as
> >> you need. As far as I could tell, there's breading on the onion crispy
> >> bits.
>
> >> --
> >> "[xxx] has very definite opinions, and does not suffer fools lightly.
> >> This, apparently, upsets the fools."
> >> ---BB cuts to the pith of a flame-fest- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Thanks Alice! So maybe the green bean casserole wasn't too bad. :-)
> > Everything certainly tasted good.
>
> > Best regards,
> > Michelle C., T2
> > diet & exercise
>
> If you really want to kick your casserole "up a notch" next year, add some
> water chestnuts, mushrooms and bean sprouts. I always use fresh. Mind you
> when I lived in California, except for the beans, I had to use canned for
> everything. Here I just shop at the supermarket or in Chinatown.
> --
> Martha Irwin T2 Canada
> 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That does sound tasty, Martha. :-) Thanks!

Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

On Nov 23, 7:59 pm, Quentin Grady <quen...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> This post not CC'd by email
> On 23 Nov 2007 07:55:18 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream in
> >the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of lamb
> >were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other side
> >for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a little
> >more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a nice
> >bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
> >checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>
> G'day G'day Nick et al,
>
> Thanksgiving has been rather thought provoking for me with some
> enjoying it and wondering what could be done to help those feeling a
> deep sense of disappointment as can happen at festive times when
> family and friends get together and things don't turn out right.
>
> As it happens we don't have Thanksgiving as a festival here.
>
> However today we did celebrate the long awaited return of very good
> friends from an overseas trip. As it happened we took them to the
> pictures and in return they took us out to lunch to a cafe situated in
> an upmarket food ingredient shop. Its the sort of place when one can
> buy all the freshest quality spices, sauces, cheeses, breads,
> chocolate.
>
> For lunch I ordered an avocado and asparagus open sandwich. OK, I had
> some thoughts about being virtuous in my choice of food. The others
> decided to have the same. Glad we did. It was divine. We soon
> figured out the basics of their dressing recipe. Parmesan, lemon
> juice, olive oil, lemon zest and a touch of salt and pepper.
> The single slice of bread was fairly thin and more a vehicle for whole
> grains, sunflower and pumpkin seeds.
>
> OK, not a single turkey lost its life in this meal and there wasn't a
> single cranberry to be seen. We didn't stuff ourselves either.
> However the enjoyment was enough to make me feel a deep sense of
> thanksgiving that good food could taste so delicious and gratitude
> that our climate made it freely available at this time of the year.
>
> Best wishes,
> --
> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
> New Zealand, >#,#< [
> / \ /\
> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>
> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin

Hi Quentin,

It's always a blessing when one has something to be thankful
for. :-) Thanks for sharing the experience of your lovely meal with
friends.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise

"Michelle C." <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0f252a5-b98e-4637-954c-e6e0cd2ad4ab@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 7:59 pm, Quentin Grady <quen...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> This post not CC'd by email
>> On 23 Nov 2007 07:55:18 GMT, Nick Cramer <n_cramerS...@pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Thanksgiving dinner was a rough mashed New potato with butter, no cream
>> >in
>> >the house. Half an ear of corn, swimming in butter. The three ribs of
>> >lamb
>> >were 100° F internal. If I'd let Jun turn it over and roast the other
>> >side
>> >for two minutes, it might have gotten up to 104 and rendered out a
>> >little
>> >more of the fat, but it was perfect. My dog must hate me! That and a
>> >nice
>> >bottle of dry Italian red wine. I passed out in situ. When I came to, I
>> >checked my BG, probably 1-1/2 to 2 hours after I started eating. 180.
>>
>> G'day G'day Nick et al,
>>
>> Thanksgiving has been rather thought provoking for me with some
>> enjoying it and wondering what could be done to help those feeling a
>> deep sense of disappointment as can happen at festive times when
>> family and friends get together and things don't turn out right.
>>
>> As it happens we don't have Thanksgiving as a festival here.
>>
>> However today we did celebrate the long awaited return of very good
>> friends from an overseas trip. As it happened we took them to the
>> pictures and in return they took us out to lunch to a cafe situated in
>> an upmarket food ingredient shop. Its the sort of place when one can
>> buy all the freshest quality spices, sauces, cheeses, breads,
>> chocolate.
>>
>> For lunch I ordered an avocado and asparagus open sandwich. OK, I had
>> some thoughts about being virtuous in my choice of food. The others
>> decided to have the same. Glad we did. It was divine. We soon
>> figured out the basics of their dressing recipe. Parmesan, lemon
>> juice, olive oil, lemon zest and a touch of salt and pepper.
>> The single slice of bread was fairly thin and more a vehicle for whole
>> grains, sunflower and pumpkin seeds.
>>
>> OK, not a single turkey lost its life in this meal and there wasn't a
>> single cranberry to be seen. We didn't stuff ourselves either.
>> However the enjoyment was enough to make me feel a deep sense of
>> thanksgiving that good food could taste so delicious and gratitude
>> that our climate made it freely available at this time of the year.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> --
>> Quentin Grady ^ ^ /
>> New Zealand, >#,#< [
>> / \ /\
>> "... and the blind dog was leading."
>>
>> http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
>
> Hi Quentin,
>
> It's always a blessing when one has something to be thankful
> for. :-) Thanks for sharing the experience of your lovely meal with
> friends.

Heck if nothing else, I'm thankful for another day with the love of my life.
Does not matter what, or how much I had to eat. Where I was at, so long as
it was with her. Thankful that I was able to wake up to see another day. Not
too long ago that was not the case. We all have so much to be thankful for,
sometimes we just don't see it right away...

--
T2 - DX Oct. '96 - Lantus, oral meds, and diet
Remember...the only stupid question is the one you DIDN'T ask.
You know what to do with the addy, to reply by email

When i read a post i think of not only those adressed but lurkers as well as
my own personal thoughts on the subject and post accordingly..just
me...<shrug>

KROM

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:ztydnaADocMjqtXanZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> Did you miss that he said Cheri and Nick in his post? Seems pretty
> "I'm addressing these people" specific to me, and his quote will work
> quite well for *me* on Christmas Day too. :-)
>
> Cheri
>
> krom wrote in message ...
>>Most everyone here agrees it is fine to splurge on special occasions
>>kurt..but you seem to ignore the fact that some who post high numbers
> are
>>saying they have such numbers all the time and go REALLY high on
> holidays.
>
>>"Kurt" <kurtwheeling1965@hotmail.com> wrote
>>Cheri...and Nick,
>>
>>It's times like these that I like to quote a line from the movie
>>"Risky Business"...(And I'll clean it up a bit for the family crowd)
>>
>>'Sometimes you have to say, "What the f^^^!" Make your move!'
>>
>>Too late for Thanksgiving, but it might come in handy on Christmas
>>Day.
>>
>>Kurt
>>
>>
>
>

Good point.
The older i get the less i care about the food..the gifts and the more i
appreciate time with the people i love.
Last couple years we didnt even do gifts as we give each other stuff all
year.

KROM


"DarkSentinel" <darksentinel@comcast.nowantspam.net> wrote >
> Heck if nothing else, I'm thankful for another day with the love of my
> life. Does not matter what, or how much I had to eat. Where I was at, so
> long as it was with her. Thankful that I was able to wake up to see
> anothe