Nicky and Others

#1 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

Thanks for your posts. I am an old bum but I do
understand that speculation is easy but does not produce any
good results.

I have always respected Jennifer's posts. Why be critical
if you are speculating.

Bar room level interchanges does not produce much to
diabetic knowledge.

Anyone so smart about diabetes should be cured and
does not need the group.

Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.

I elect to slow the process and to reduce the
discomfort as much as possible. That is done by
pursuing every lead and working to gathering
information.

I know of no other method.

I owe thanks to those that contribute
reasonable and useful knowledge.

Now to show my age.

I hate the use of our illness to get rich. I
will continue to make remarks on what I
perceive as a defective system in many aspects.

Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work
to work together to make our lot better.

We do not need malcontents, were at least a couple
do not have diabetes but are cruising the Internet

Guy

Guy.

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#2 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
authenticity (this morning phenenon)?

<guy> wrote in message news:548223hrpepaiaprb9r8l3hvtjirsk1d2q@4ax.com...
>
> Thanks for your posts. I am an old bum but I do
> understand that speculation is easy but does not produce any
> good results.
>
> I have always respected Jennifer's posts. Why be critical
> if you are speculating.
>
> Bar room level interchanges does not produce much to
> diabetic knowledge.
>
> Anyone so smart about diabetes should be cured and
> does not need the group.
>
> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.
>
> I elect to slow the process and to reduce the
> discomfort as much as possible. That is done by
> pursuing every lead and working to gathering
> information.
>
> I know of no other method.
>
> I owe thanks to those that contribute
> reasonable and useful knowledge.
>
> Now to show my age.
>
> I hate the use of our illness to get rich. I
> will continue to make remarks on what I
> perceive as a defective system in many aspects.
>
> Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work
> to work together to make our lot better.
>
> We do not need malcontents, were at least a couple
> do not have diabetes but are cruising the Internet
>
> Guy
>
> Guy.
>
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#3 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

<guy> wrote in message news:548223hrpepaiaprb9r8l3hvtjirsk1d2q@4ax.com...

> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.
>
> Guy

It is me too Guy. At least you try though to be healthy and I do admire you
for that. I dread the day I sign on and you are no longer here. You have
always been very important to me. I wish I could meet you in person but the
distance keeps me from it. Keep trying Guy. People like me need people like
you.

#4 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

First, the group has no structure. This is good and bad.

As far as morning effect, it does exist but not in all people.

There are many causes for high blood sugar. I have little
morning effect but I do have gross glucose releases and
over the years they have been covered. It might be wise to
go to the archives and read until you are bored.

I get glucose releases if I lack insulin. I ASSUME it is my
cells sensing starvation due to lack of insulin and my system
is trying to correct it. There are several causes of glucose
"releases".

The blood glucose system in normal people is an
exact mechanism with several components.
Diabetes may involve several of these control
mechanisms. No easy answers that are of
value. Just dictionary entries.

I had to find what was going on and make
adjustment to arrive at a satisfactory method.
It was nit easy but it allowed me to exist in relative
comfort. I did lose one leg in the "jungle' of poor
treatment and lack of knowledge.

I nave no real answer but hope I nudge people
in the right direction. All I know is my case
and not enough about it.

The collective knowledge, with reasonable
consideration of the source, is the best way to go.

Strong advocates are questionable sources.

Al I can offer here. You have diabetes and have to deal
with it. But RELAX and LIVE.
Guy

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:12:22 -0400, "bent" <bent@rogers.com> wrote:

>I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
>her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
>up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
>authenticity (this morning phenenon)?
>
>
><guy> wrote in message news:548223hrpepaiaprb9r8l3hvtjirsk1d2q@4ax.com...
>>
>> Thanks for your posts. I am an old bum but I do
>> understand that speculation is easy but does not produce any
>> good results.
>>
>> I have always respected Jennifer's posts. Why be critical
>> if you are speculating.
>>
>> Bar room level interchanges does not produce much to
>> diabetic knowledge.
>>
>> Anyone so smart about diabetes should be cured and
>> does not need the group.
>>
>> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.
>>
>> I elect to slow the process and to reduce the
>> discomfort as much as possible. That is done by
>> pursuing every lead and working to gathering
>> information.
>>
>> I know of no other method.
>>
>> I owe thanks to those that contribute
>> reasonable and useful knowledge.
>>
>> Now to show my age.
>>
>> I hate the use of our illness to get rich. I
>> will continue to make remarks on what I
>> perceive as a defective system in many aspects.
>>
>> Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work
>> to work together to make our lot better.
>>
>> We do not need malcontents, were at least a couple
>> do not have diabetes but are cruising the Internet
>>
>> Guy
>>
>> Guy.
>>
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#5 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:51:53 -0700, guy wrote:

>Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work
>to work together to make our lot better.

Yes, Guy... but, the boat is floating right now. More is being done
for diabetics at present than at any other time in history. And yes,
you are a pioneer. Thank you, Guy, for blazing the path for all the
rest of us coming along...

Will, T2

#6 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

bent wrote:
> I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
> her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
> up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
> authenticity (this morning phenenon)?
>
>
snip guy's post

Here's a decent lay explanation

http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/tk3380

It also covers Somogyi effect, which this group calls a "liver dump" or
rebound. My endo finds the term liver dump so hilarious she's started
using it herself!

Vicki

#7 04-15-2007, 02:42 AM

bent <bent@rogers.com> wrote:
: I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
: her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
: up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
: authenticity (this morning phenenon)?

When I first started at teh diabetic clinic som e10 years ago, I saw a RN
diabetes educator who explained many things to me, inculding an account of
the dawn (or morning ) phenomenon. It was explained to me as the result
of changes in the body that occurred prior to walking ot prepare the body
to face the increased energy needed to wake up nand get gin gin the
morning. In nrmal peole there is a release of glucogon from the liver
which stimulates the pancreas to produce more insulin so the cells have
more energy available to do the work of being awake and running around.
In a diabetic this insulin is not forthcomin in sufficient quantities or
the insulin resistance prevents the glucagod to be absorbed byt the
insulin so the blood sugar numbers go up. thi is th edawn phenomenon as I
learned it from a professional diabetes educator.

Wendy

#8 04-15-2007, 06:05 PM

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:13:26 -0400, percy <vbeausoleil@nowhere.bum>
wrote:

>bent wrote:
>> I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
>> her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
>> up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
>> authenticity (this morning phenenon)?
>>
>>
>snip guy's post
>
>Here's a decent lay explanation
>
>http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/tk3380
>
>It also covers Somogyi effect, which this group calls a "liver dump" or
>rebound. My endo finds the term liver dump so hilarious she's started
>using it herself!
>
>Vicki

Most oldies here are very familiar with the terms. Now
tell me what purpose do they serve? I am one that is
grossly affected by the defective glucose mechanism.
Until I managed to understand the mechanisms in
exact simple terms, they were useless to me.

Believe it or not, years ago I did generate technical
reports. My boss demanded that we define any
term on its first use in a report.

I probably was an early one to use the junk
"Liver dump" term. This is a more
inclusive term and people seemed
to understand it.

A more important issue is the
"glucose control" system. I have seen so
many poor explanations of parts of our
problem.

When I finally was informed properly
on it. was I able to make sense of my blood glucose
reading and plan corrective actions..

I used to see readings like 800 for four hours that occurred for no
known reason. All kinds of buzz words.

When I finally found out it was caused by insulin
levels called basal going low.. A corrective action was to
maintain a insulin level of over one unit per hour around
the clock..

NPH did not last as long as advertised. I switched to
taking regular insulin very three hours around
the clock. Then Charles Evans told me his Endo
was using Lantus. I had a battle getting
the needed prescription. Started slowly, and
shortly was able to get a nights sleep.

The crap about this insulin abounded. I had
the motivation to pursue the subject. Recently
a doc suggested I use a split dose. In my
case Lantus lasts a bit over 24 hours so all that
would do was to create a peak and two levels
in the 24 hour period. For a few it might be a solution.

On and on.

I prefer to not be so specific that might mislead
a person. ****** Use a GOOD Endo for exact advice.******

KISS is a good policy as long as it conveys good
information.preferably in use simple terms.

KISS Keep it simple Stupid.

In my working days I was technically competent
but prefered to ake it easy to understand ,not
formal.exercise..

Guy

This is my iopinion and I never claimed to have
the answers. An answer is what conveys
information in terms a person can use.

Latin or medical jargon fails so often.

For example I had Osteomylitis. All that
says is bone inflammation. I already knew
that.

I hope this offends no one It is not intended to do that.

Dumb old Guy

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#9 04-15-2007, 06:05 PM

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:57:29 -0700, guys@consolidated.net
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:13:26 -0400, percy <vbeausoleil@nowhere.bum>
>wrote:
>
>>bent wrote:
>>> I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or
>>> her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended
>>> up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its
>>> authenticity (this morning phenenon)?
>>>
>>>
>>snip guy's post
>>
>>Here's a decent lay explanation
>>
>>http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/tk3380
>>
>>It also covers Somogyi effect, which this group calls a "liver dump" or
>>rebound. My endo finds the term liver dump so hilarious she's started
>>using it herself!
>>
>>Vicki
>
>Most oldies here are very familiar with the terms. Now
>tell me what purpose do they serve? I am one that is
>grossly affected by the defective glucose mechanism.
>Until I managed to understand the mechanisms in
>exact simple terms, they were useless to me.
>
>Believe it or not, years ago I did generate technical
>reports. My boss demanded that we define any
>term on its first use in a report.
>
>I probably was an early one to use the junk
>"Liver dump" term. This is a more
>inclusive term and people seemed
> to understand it.
>
>A more important issue is the
>"glucose control" system. I have seen so
>many poor explanations of parts of our
> problem.
>
>When I finally was informed properly
>on it. was I able to make sense of my blood glucose
>reading and plan corrective actions..
>
>I used to see readings like 800 for four hours that occurred for no
>known reason. All kinds of buzz words.
>
>When I finally found out it was caused by insulin
>levels called basal going low.. A corrective action was to
>maintain a insulin level of over one unit per hour around
>the clock..
>
>NPH did not last as long as advertised. I switched to
>taking regular insulin very three hours around
>the clock. Then Charles Evans told me his Endo
>was using Lantus. I had a battle getting
>the needed prescription. Started slowly, and
>shortly was able to get a nights sleep.
>
>The crap about this insulin abounded. I had
>the motivation to pursue the subject. Recently
>a doc suggested I use a split dose. In my
>case Lantus lasts a bit over 24 hours so all that
> would do was to create a peak and two levels
>in the 24 hour period. For a few it might be a solution.
>
>On and on.
>
>I prefer to not be so specific that might mislead
>a person. ****** Use a GOOD Endo for exact advice.******
>
>KISS is a good policy as long as it conveys good
>information.preferably in use simple terms.
>
>KISS Keep it simple Stupid.
>
>In my working days I was technically competent
>but prefered to ake it easy to understand ,not
>formal.exercise..
>
> Guy
>
>This is my iopinion and I never claimed to have
>the answers. An answer is what conveys
>information in terms a person can use.
>
>Latin or medical jargon fails so often.
>
>For example I had Osteomylitis. All that
>says is bone inflammation. I already knew
>that.
>
>I hope this offends no one It is not intended to do that.
>
> Dumb old Guy

Dumb?

Don't put yourself down Guy. Great post.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic

#10 04-15-2007, 06:06 PM

"Diana" <diana.is.saved.by.grace@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <guy> wrote in message news:548223hrpepaiaprb9r8l3hvtjirsk1d2q@4ax.com...
>
>
>> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.
>>
>> Guy
>
> It is me too Guy. At least you try though to be healthy and I do admire
> you for that. I dread the day I sign on and you are no longer here. You
> have always been very important to me. I wish I could meet you in person
> but the distance keeps me from it. Keep trying Guy. People like me need
> people like you.
>
>
That was well said, Diana! I've been on mhd and more recently on asd for
over ten years, and I look at Guy as part of the furniture - a very
necessary furniture I'd miss if it stopped posting. Tell ya what, Guy - I'll
race ya! See who goes first! Jokes aside - I hope it's not you - you're just
too useful. You're also a moderating influence on the newsgroups.

Henry M.

#11 04-15-2007, 09:54 PM

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> "Diana" <diana.is.saved.by.grace@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46215058$0$9905$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> <guy> wrote in message news:548223hrpepaiaprb9r8l3hvtjirsk1d2q@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth.
>>>
>>> Guy
>>
>> It is me too Guy. At least you try though to be healthy and I do admire
>> you for that. I dread the day I sign on and you are no longer here. You
>> have always been very important to me. I wish I could meet you in person
>> but the distance keeps me from it. Keep trying Guy. People like me need
>> people like you.
>>
>>
> That was well said, Diana! I've been on mhd and more recently on asd for
> over ten years, and I look at Guy as part of the furniture - a very
> necessary furniture I'd miss if it stopped posting. Tell ya what, Guy -
> I'll race ya! See who goes first! Jokes aside - I hope it's not you -
> you're just too useful. You're also a moderating influence on the
> newsgroups.
>
> Henry M.
>
>

Yes he sure is and along with many others here. List too long but this group
is a never ending extended family. I feel very close to many here.