Normal Glucose Levels?

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Mâck©® wrote:

> That depends on how you define spike. and what the cause is and how
> quickly you return to your target range.
>

I was referring to the high spikes the two OPs have reported in this
thread and previously.

Susan

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:08:28 -0400, "J J Levin"
<jjlevin@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>"JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe> wrote in message news:73fddd04e1dcb@uwe...
>> Jay - is this normal for a diabetic or for anyone?
>>
>
>I am a type 2 diabetic. This is what I was told by my endo.
>
>Jay
>
>
>

then it was not in reference to non-diabetics.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:43:07 -0400, Mâck©®
<shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:09:06 GMT, "Gantlet"
><Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was as static
>>as a mushroom.
>>I knew I had to become more active to win this battle. others here know of
>>the work outs I was doing
>>and might even say I became athletic but I am not sure if i reached that
>>level.
>>but what i did find was that after my work out reached a certain point.
>>Meals close to 100 carbs wouldnt bring me
>>above 200. do you really reach 300 or was that just an extreme example your
>>doctor gave you?
>>an athletic diabetic can really gain a lot by talking to a dietitian. thats
>>the best advice I can give
>>the other would be to try to spead out your carbs a bit more if you are
>>reaching 300.
>>what kind of athletic activities do you do? do you aim for a certain heart
>>rate?
>>
>>there are lots of opinions on what diabetics should do. I dont believe the
>>answers for any of
>>us is in a book or even in talking to other diabetics.
>>you are a 34 year old athletic diabetic - your treatment and what you can
>>and should do will be much different
>>then most diabetics I have ever talked to. choose your advisers carefully.
>
>
>there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see it?
>Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.

Hmm. How about reconciling this:

>>I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was
>>as static as a mushroom.

With this:
http://tinyurl.com/2uuy47
"Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes
From: "Copulator" <Mrgant...@megapathdsl.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:58 -0700
Local: Mon, Jan 27 2003 12:44 pm
Subject: new 2 this group

Hello Group

I just found out i have diabetes type 2. i am a lover of
food I can not tell you how much it hurts. I even cried a
few hours ago. i have no idea what this will do to my life
and how i will live.

i will learn I will be here for now on reading what those of
you with experience have to say and to help those who will
walk in behind me.

Copulator"

It's been a fast ten+ years, hasn't it Tom?


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia

I took it to mean that before he was diagnosed, he was static for 10
years, getting very little excercise etc., but after diagnosis he
started excercising again.

Cheri


Alan S wrote in message
<5khj735ch83684l2vv3f944ba5q0n1o1ah@4ax.com>...
>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:43:07 -0400, Mâck©®
><shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:09:06 GMT, "Gantlet"

>>there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see
it?
>>Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.



>Hmm. How about reconciling this:
>
>>>I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was
>>>as static as a mushroom.
>
>With this:
>http://tinyurl.com/2uuy47
>"Newsgroups: alt.support.diabetes
>From: "Copulator" <Mrgant...@megapathdsl.net>
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:44:58 -0700
>Local: Mon, Jan 27 2003 12:44 pm
>Subject: new 2 this group
>
>Hello Group
>
>I just found out i have diabetes type 2. i am a lover of
>food I can not tell you how much it hurts. I even cried a
>few hours ago. i have no idea what this will do to my life
>and how i will live.
>
>i will learn I will be here for now on reading what those of
>you with experience have to say and to help those who will
>walk in behind me.
>
>Copulator"
>
>It's been a fast ten+ years, hasn't it Tom?
>
>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
>--
>http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
>http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
>latest: Slovenia

"JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe> wrote in message news:73fddd04e1dcb@uwe...
> Jay - is this normal for a diabetic or for anyone?

It is NOT normal for anyone and if someone says that they are wrong.

"Mâck©®" <shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote in message
newslpi739p9pv1lusfdp0n5vv3aku7hjc4kh@4ax.com...

> there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see it?
> Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.

">>I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was as
static
>>as a mushroom."

I noticed it right off. I haven't been diabetic for 10 years and yet he
came to this NG after I did, claiming to be newly diagnosed. At times I
wonder if he is even diabetic. Not that I care...

He's always said he was diagnosed 4 years ago, which is when he first
came here. The 10 years means that he wasn't excercising for that long
before he was diagnosed.

Cheri


Julie Bove wrote in message ...
>
>"Mâck©®" <shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote in message
>newslpi739p9pv1lusfdp0n5vv3aku7hjc4kh@4ax.com.. .
>
>> there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see
it?
>> Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.
>
>">>I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was
as
>static
>>>as a mushroom."
>
>I noticed it right off. I haven't been diabetic for 10 years and yet
he
>came to this NG after I did, claiming to be newly diagnosed. At
times I
>wonder if he is even diabetic. Not that I care...
>
>
>

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:UZWdnWzhF5FgbOTbnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> He's always said he was diagnosed 4 years ago, which is when he first
> came here. The 10 years means that he wasn't excercising for that long
> before he was diagnosed.

Okay. The way he worded it made it look like he was diabetic 10 years ago.

Julie Bove <juliebove@verizon.net> wrote:

> "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
> news:UZWdnWzhF5FgbOTbnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
>> He's always said he was diagnosed 4 years ago, which is when he first
>> came here. The 10 years means that he wasn't excercising for that long
>> before he was diagnosed.

> Okay. The way he worded it made it look like he was diabetic 10 years ago.

Tom's words, phrases, and sentences aren't always in the right sequence.

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In article <olpi739p9pv1lusfdp0n5vv3aku7hjc4kh@4ax.com>,
Mâck©® <shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:09:06 GMT, "Gantlet"
> <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >I remember when I first became diabetic. for about 10 years I was as static
> >as a mushroom.
> >I knew I had to become more active to win this battle. others here know of
> >the work outs I was doing
> >and might even say I became athletic but I am not sure if i reached that
> >level.
> >but what i did find was that after my work out reached a certain point.
> >Meals close to 100 carbs wouldnt bring me
> >above 200. do you really reach 300 or was that just an extreme example your
> >doctor gave you?
> >an athletic diabetic can really gain a lot by talking to a dietitian. thats
> >the best advice I can give
> >the other would be to try to spead out your carbs a bit more if you are
> >reaching 300.
> >what kind of athletic activities do you do? do you aim for a certain heart
> >rate?
> >
> >there are lots of opinions on what diabetics should do. I dont believe the
> >answers for any of
> >us is in a book or even in talking to other diabetics.
> >you are a 34 year old athletic diabetic - your treatment and what you can
> >and should do will be much different
> >then most diabetics I have ever talked to. choose your advisers carefully.
>
>
> there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see it?
> Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.

Could it have something to do with there being evidence in his posts to
this group that he was diagnosed a bit over four years ago, not more
than 10 years ago?

Priscilla

In article <73fd6f71e4b35@uwe>, "JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe>
wrote:

> Thanks for your help. I have not been diagnosed as a diabetic. I borrowed a
> friend's meter and tested my levels for two days because I have been feeling
> not quite right for a while. On both days my levels were high after eating a
> Clif Bar (301) and a bowl of cereal with fruit (291). Both times they went
> back down to around 130 two hours later. I called a nurse practitioner that I
> saw a few months ago and she said that it was ok for the levels to be high as
> long as they went back down two hours later. For the past five years I have
> been eating much like a diabetic would eat to control their levels - very
> little sugar and simple carbs - because it just makes me feel better. Eating
> that bowl of cereal was out of the ordinary. I just wanted to try it and then
> test my blood level afterwards. So now I don't know what to think!! Another
> thing - I have had two kids and tested negative for gestational diabetes
> during both pregnancies.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but two random tests over 200 (and 301
and 291 are definitely over 200) is diagnostic of diabetes. That nurse
practitioner doesn't know what she's talking about.

Welcome to the club!

Priscilla, type 2

He said he had been lax in excercise for 10 years before diagnosis,
not that he had been diagnosed for 10 years.

Cheri


Priscilla H. Ballou wrote in message ...
>In article <olpi739p9pv1lusfdp0n5vv3aku7hjc4kh@4ax.com>,
> Mâck©® <shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote:

>> there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see
it?
>> Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.
>
>Could it have something to do with there being evidence in his posts
to
>this group that he was diagnosed a bit over four years ago, not more
>than 10 years ago?
>
>Priscilla

"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
news:dYudnQ35N8fSIOfbnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@inreach.com. ..
> He said he had been lax in excercise for 10 years before diagnosis,
> not that he had been diagnosed for 10 years.
>
> Cheri


its ok Cheri - trolls dont bother me much these days.
but to the OP yes I am only diabetic a little more than 4 years
I was as active as most here for 10 years before becoming diabetic.
after getting a 100% on the firemens physical at age 29 I just stopped
working out
and became very inactive for about 10 years before I became diabetic.

more can be found about my work out history here


http://www.tomsdiabeticdiary.com/exercise.html

in a way the good people lol of this group have helped motivate
me to get it started again.


--
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>
>
> Priscilla H. Ballou wrote in message ...
>>In article <olpi739p9pv1lusfdp0n5vv3aku7hjc4kh@4ax.com>,
>> Mâck©® <shootspammers@deathtospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> there is something seriously wrong with this post, anyone else see
> it?
>>> Hint, the questionable item is in the beginning of the post.
>>
>>Could it have something to do with there being evidence in his posts
> to
>>this group that he was diagnosed a bit over four years ago, not more
>>than 10 years ago?
>>
>>Priscilla
>
>

"JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe> wrote in message news:73fddd04e1dcb@uwe...
> Jay - is this normal for a diabetic or for anyone?

Hi Jen,
You might ask for an OGTT ( Oral Glucose Tolerance Test ) if you see a Doc.
In this you fast for ten hours ( overnight ) then consume a glucose load and
have bgs tested at an hour and two hours.
Two hours into it bgs of 200 and over give a dx of diabetes, 140 at two
hours leads to a diagnosis of IGT ( Impaired Glucose Tolerance - sometimes
called "pre-Diabetes" ). Your figure of 130 two hours after your bars and
cereal looks perilously close to a diagnosis of IGT at least. "Normal" at
two hours might be in the 80-90 range.
If you are still doing-it-yourself you might try a self-administered OGTT as
a rough indicator ...
1. Eat and act normally for a couple of days before
2. Fast for 10-12 hours
3. Consume 75 g of glucose in 250-300 mls of water over five minutes.
4. Test on the hour and two hour mark.

Of course you have to allow for the frailties of home meter but being well
over 200 at the two hour mark would be a strong indicator of diabetes.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:18:23 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>more can be found about my work out history here
>
>
>http://www.tomsdiabeticdiary.com/exercise.html
>
>in a way the good people lol of this group have helped motivate
>me to get it started again.

Why are you here Tom, if this is your opinion of us:

http://www.tomsdiabeticdiary.com/alt...-diabetes.html ?
"In the newsgroup alt.support.diabetes I have read what has
to be the longest running commercial in the history of
commercials. I have been reading it for 4 years now and like
any sales person that is given enough time to speak sooner
or later you catch them saying something that is so far off
I cant see how there isnt something else going on.
If you go into any newsgroup these days there are spammers
selling products related to the interest of the group. Go
into a HTML newsgroup and you will find spammers from Micro
Soft. Yes Micro Soft.. I feel they are also in
alt.suppport.diabetes and probably also in other health
groups as well.

No not all - there is also blind sheep that just basically
follow anything that is told to them. For the most part
those newsgroups have become infested with trolls that love
to fight in cyber space. to be continued."

and this:
http://www.tomsdiabeticdiary.com/index.html
"I have also had my share of fights with lots of people that
have made the newsgroups their home. If you also look into
those people that I fought with you will understand why I
dont really care what they had to say and for the most part
now treat them like a babbling drunk on a train - Just keep
walking and ingnore them. They are the reason why I highly
recommend moderated message boards to find and share
information."

You've written more about asd on your site than any other
subject including exercise and motorbikes. Fascinating.

But ignore me. I'm just another babbling drunk on the asd
train...

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our
adversaries are insane.
Mark Twain (1835 - 1910), in Christian Science

"Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in part:

>
>"JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe> wrote in message news:73fddd04e1dcb@uwe...
>> Jay - is this normal for a diabetic or for anyone?
>
>Hi Jen,
>You might ask for an OGTT ( Oral Glucose Tolerance Test ) if you see a Doc.
>In this you fast for ten hours ( overnight ) then consume a glucose load and
>have bgs tested at an hour and two hours.
>Two hours into it bgs of 200 and over give a dx of diabetes, 140 at two
>hours leads to a diagnosis of IGT ( Impaired Glucose Tolerance - sometimes
>called "pre-Diabetes" ). Your figure of 130 two hours after your bars and
>cereal looks perilously close to a diagnosis of IGT at least. "Normal" at
>two hours might be in the 80-90 range.
>If you are still doing-it-yourself you might try a self-administered OGTT as
>a rough indicator ...
>1. Eat and act normally for a couple of days before
>2. Fast for 10-12 hours
>3. Consume 75 g of glucose in 250-300 mls of water over five minutes.
>4. Test on the hour and two hour mark.
>
>Of course you have to allow for the frailties of home meter but being well
>over 200 at the two hour mark would be a strong indicator of diabetes.

Interestingly, apparently they will only do the actual (75 g glucose) OGTT
in my area in the hospital now. Too many bad reactions in doctor's offices
or wandering around waiting out the two hours without medical supervision.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

x-no-archive: yes

Jim Chinnis wrote:

> Interestingly, apparently they will only do the actual (75 g glucose) OGTT
> in my area in the hospital now. Too many bad reactions in doctor's offices
> or wandering around waiting out the two hours without medical supervision.

I can't imagine why anyone with a bg of 300 would need an OGTT for
diagnosis. Nor anyone, for that matter, unless for dx of something else.

Susan

Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in part:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, apparently they will only do the actual (75 g glucose) OGTT
>> in my area in the hospital now. Too many bad reactions in doctor's offices
>> or wandering around waiting out the two hours without medical supervision.
>
>I can't imagine why anyone with a bg of 300 would need an OGTT for
>diagnosis. Nor anyone, for that matter, unless for dx of something else.

I agree.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:18:23 GMT, "Gantlet"
<Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:

>
>"Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote in message
>news:dYudnQ35N8fSIOfbnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@inreach.com ...
>> He said he had been lax in excercise for 10 years before diagnosis,
>> not that he had been diagnosed for 10 years.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>
>its ok Cheri - trolls dont bother me much these days.
>but to the OP yes I am only diabetic a little more than 4 years
>I was as active as most here for 10 years before becoming diabetic.

that's what you said in the original post in question.

>after getting a 100% on the firemens physical at age 29 I just stopped
>working out
>and became very inactive for about 10 years before I became diabetic.
>

you should try proof reading and correcting. And when you make a
mistake like the one did, try owning up to it like an adult.

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
..

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:41:07 GMT, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Why are you here Tom, if this is your opinion of us:

>http://www.tomsdiabeticdiary.com/index.html
> They are the reason why I highly
>recommend moderated message boards to find and share
>information."
>


don't forget that Tom is actually banned from the moderated ADA boards
because of his behavior.

--
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Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org
http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco"



"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o ô)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
....Bilbo Baggins


DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me
offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it.
If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to
me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate...
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:41:07 GMT, Alan S
<loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> wrote:

>From Tom's website:
>"In the newsgroup alt.support.diabetes I have read what has
>to be the longest running commercial in the history of
>commercials.

Good heavens - long words, spelt and punctuated correctly, with
moderately complex sentence structure. He's had help writing that. Is
he crediting any co-authors?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Jim Chinnis wrote:
> "Peter C" <petercy@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in part:
>
>> "JenF via MedKB.com" <u35057@uwe> wrote in message news:73fddd04e1dcb@uwe...
>>> Jay - is this normal for a diabetic or for anyone?
>> Hi Jen,
>> You might ask for an OGTT ( Oral Glucose Tolerance Test ) if you see a Doc.
>> In this you fast for ten hours ( overnight ) then consume a glucose load and
>> have bgs tested at an hour and two hours.
>> Two hours into it bgs of 200 and over give a dx of diabetes, 140 at two
>> hours leads to a diagnosis of IGT ( Impaired Glucose Tolerance - sometimes
>> called "pre-Diabetes" ). Your figure of 130 two hours after your bars and
>> cereal looks perilously close to a diagnosis of IGT at least. "Normal" at
>> two hours might be in the 80-90 range.
>> If you are still doing-it-yourself you might try a self-administered OGTT as
>> a rough indicator ...
>> 1. Eat and act normally for a couple of days before
>> 2. Fast for 10-12 hours
>> 3. Consume 75 g of glucose in 250-300 mls of water over five minutes.
>> 4. Test on the hour and two hour mark.
>>
>> Of course you have to allow for the frailties of home meter but being well
>> over 200 at the two hour mark would be a strong indicator of diabetes.
>
> Interestingly, apparently they will only do the actual (75 g glucose) OGTT
> in my area in the hospital now. Too many bad reactions in doctor's offices
> or wandering around waiting out the two hours without medical supervision.
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

-this message originates from news:alt.support.diabetes

In my area, OGTTs are only done on pregnant women and when testing for
RH. For diabetes, they do a fasting then 2hr pp bg and that's it. The
meal is the standard cereal+toast+oj brekkie(~75g CHO). All through the
outpatient clinic at the hospital, but you can eat at home and return
for the 2 hr.

Much easier to recreate at home and safer. Any patient who took this
information (with the meter and it's memory) to a doc would get
immediate attention.

Be sure to look at your affairs before. You will no longer qualify for
some insurance after official diagnosis.

Vicki

"Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> a écrit ...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:07:29 -0700, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom>
> wrote:
>
>>He didn't die.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>
>>Susan wrote
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>
>>>Loretta Eisenberg wrote:
>>>> My husband was the healthiest man alive, No heart problems. Susan
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sorry you lost him, Loretta. What did he die of?
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>
> Actually, I am not sure of which husband Loretta was speaking... The
> last was a relationship that ended and caused her great pain, which
> she shared with us. Not sure about the love of her youth and what
> happened there...
>
> One thing is for certain, Loretta is a very loving and kind person,
> and I admire her greatly.


I can certainly agree with you there, Will